[HN Gopher] A swarm of robots built this tunnel [video]
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       A swarm of robots built this tunnel [video]
        
       Author : cjg
       Score  : 42 points
       Date   : 2022-12-21 10:33 UTC (12 hours ago)
        
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       | Gravityloss wrote:
       | The content about the new method starts roughly here:
       | https://youtu.be/bfJY0syocfU?t=227
        
         | interroboink wrote:
         | The Wadsworth constant strikes again (:
        
       | nathan_phoenix wrote:
       | Seems like a cool concept but also quite early stage with unsure
       | viability. Curious how transportation would change if they
       | succeed in making tunnels x2 cheaper.
        
         | euroderf wrote:
         | That still leaves American tunnels ridiculously more expensive
         | than elsewhere in the West. There are more reliable wins
         | elsewhere in the overall process.
        
       | geocrasher wrote:
       | Seems very "Popular Science" to me. I expect to see that when I
       | see the Moller Sky Car in production.
        
       | strangattractor wrote:
       | Looks much more interesting than the Boring Company. They look
       | large enough to fit something other than Tesla's through them.
        
       | throwawaymaths wrote:
       | This is 100% how the first permanent (i.e. not tin cans) lunar
       | habitation will be built, possibly Mars too.
        
         | bagels wrote:
         | What gives you such confidence in your statement?
        
           | dylan604 wrote:
           | using a throwaway account gives one all sorts of confidence.
        
       | melling wrote:
       | @6m Could build tunnels up to 10 times faster and at half the
       | cost.
       | 
       | A lot of US cities could be retrofitted with subways.
       | 
       | Even NYC metro area badly needs a few more tunnels:
       | 
       | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_Program_(Northeast_C...
        
         | hutzlibu wrote:
         | "Could build tunnels up to 10 times faster and at half the
         | cost."
         | 
         | Maybe. So far they have only drilled through wood and not
         | stone.
        
       | sroussey wrote:
       | While this method can create new tunnels, I see it's first best
       | use at enlarging existing tunnels by setting the "concrete" type
       | stuff surrounding an existing tunnel but at a larger diameter
       | (well, also need not be round!). Then demolition of the existing
       | tunnel walls and some cave in of other materials and you have a
       | new larger tunnel after cleanup.
        
         | dylan604 wrote:
         | You'd still lose use of the existing tunnel. Why not build a
         | new second tunnel?
        
       | Animats wrote:
       | Now that's an interesting idea. Dig a ring of small holes around
       | the perimeter of the tunnel and use them to build the tunnel
       | liner. Then remove the dirt and rock in the middle.
       | 
       | Microtunneling has been around for years. It's done with small
       | tunnel boring machines, to install pipes of various sizes.[1] The
       | drives are usually not that long, because these are pushed from
       | the starting point, not self-propelled like the big TBMs.
       | 
       | That's what they seem to be doing here. There's some hand-waving
       | around the "special borepipes". Those are apparently drilled by
       | existing techniques. Only when all those tubes are in place
       | around the perimeter of the tunnel volume do the robots move in
       | and grout. Trying to do all that pumped concrete grouting work
       | with those small tubular robot vehicles is a neat trick. The
       | animations show them drilling small crosswise holes longer than
       | the tube diameter, which is a bit suspicious.
       | 
       | All this would seem to be limited by how far you can drive the
       | "special borepipes" using standard drilling techniques. That can
       | be quite a distance, though; the current microtunneling record is
       | 2.2 km.[2] That's more than enough for most urban projects.
       | You're going to want stations and access points along the route,
       | so the drive can be done in sections.
       | 
       | (When watching the original post video, start at 3:30 to skip a
       | long ad.)
       | 
       | [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teVrJs6CSe0
       | 
       | [2] https://www.napipelines.com/building-big-microtunneling-
       | terr...
        
         | amelius wrote:
         | What is the advantage? You have to remove the dirt in the
         | middle either way. And with a bigger drill you can get through
         | tougher obstacles.
        
       | afinlayson wrote:
       | I figured the Boring company had a similar approach, but when I
       | researched their technique ... I was very disappointed. This is
       | really cool. Can't wait to see it go into production.
        
         | thombat wrote:
         | How does Boring's technique differ to conventional current
         | approaches? (i.e. I'm too lazy to repeat your research..)
        
       | tshadley wrote:
       | So the robots are building the shell of the tunnel before the
       | material within the tunnel (spoil) is removed.
       | 
       | The robots do not seem specifically involved with removing spoil
       | or even carving it into smaller pieces (at least pieces smaller
       | than the tunnel diameter).
       | 
       | Does this mean building tunnel shells is the hardest part of
       | tunnel building, not breaking up and removing spoil?
       | 
       | Or does this approach somehow make it easier to fragment and
       | remove the spoil since it's now in tunnel-sized chunks?
       | 
       | (Edit: Yes, stabilising the tunnel is the hard part, see
       | excellent and thorough answer by rmccue)
        
         | rmccue wrote:
         | Stabilising the tunnel is the hard part; anyone can dig a hole,
         | but keeping that hole stable is what makes it a tunnel. The big
         | innovation from Brunel and the ancestor of most modern tunnels
         | was the tunneling shield [1], which provided an area to safely
         | work ahead of the supporting structure.
         | 
         | Modern Tunnel Boring Machines (TBMs) incorporate a tunneling
         | shield, with the addition of a large machine behind the cutting
         | head which builds the tunnel walls as it goes along.
         | 
         | The innovation here is to build the stabilisation first and
         | tunnel out the rest; it seems more akin to pipe/box jacking [2]
         | in that sense, where you basically force the outer walls
         | through the material using hydraulics, then excavate the spoil.
         | Their demonstrations so far are at the scale where box jacking
         | would probably make more sense, but if they can deliver on the
         | promise of having effectively an arbitrary long tunnel then
         | that'd make the technique more broadly applicable.
         | 
         | [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnelling_shield [2]:
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_ramming
        
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