[HN Gopher] Swing Ratio
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Swing Ratio
Author : chesterfield
Score : 46 points
Date : 2022-12-21 21:03 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| nemetroid wrote:
| Swing ratio and tempo are related. Large swing ratios sound
| better at a slower tempo.
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| http://kth.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1246291/DATASET01...
| mrob wrote:
| This is a misleading interface, because it doesn't actually
| support continuous variation of swing ratio. I was confused for a
| while because I couldn't detect anything until 1.06, but it turns
| out it's just playing pre-rendered mp3s, rounding to the nearest
| 0.1. I couldn't hear 1.05 because it's the same mp3 as 1.0.
|
| 1.06 is rounded to 1.10. It's clearly audible, and IMO a big
| improvement over 1.0. I think 1.2 is even better, and 1.3 also
| good, but beyond that the effect becomes too exaggerated for my
| taste.
|
| Sub 1.0 ratios are interesting. I don't think they sound very
| good, but they make it feel like the tempo is slower despite
| being the same.
| interroboink wrote:
| I prefer Groove Pizza for exploring this [1]. Makes it very clear
| visually, IMO.
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| There's also a good video explaining it [2]. [1]
| https://apps.musedlab.org/groovepizza/ [2]
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4EtsPf3X-I
| singingfish wrote:
| Anyone know what the just noticable difference of swing ratio is?
| yunruse wrote:
| I'm not sure why, but to me a ratio of about 2.5 sounds the most
| pleasingly rhythmic. I wonder if it has some interwoven relation
| with audio perception or if it's just a matter of taste!
| tomjakubowski wrote:
| To my ears 2.5 sounds both too rushed and a little too regular
| - I think ~1.9 or ~2.1 sounds best.
|
| Somebody studied a bunch of recordings and found a mean ratio
| of 2.38:1. That sounds good on this record too. Further in the
| article are some observations of a correlation between swing
| ratio and tempo.
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| http://kth.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1246291/DATASET01...
| DWakefield wrote:
| That's interesting - 2.5 was the same number I landed on that
| sounded best to me.
| Labo333 wrote:
| Interesting, usually the ratio is 2 as it makes triplets!
| dwringer wrote:
| 2.5 is sort of the over-the-top classic laid-back sound. 1.25
| also works very well and is typically close to what you hear on
| faster passages in a lot of jazz. It would be cool if this had
| multiple sections of music to show where different swing ratios
| are appropriate, like some faster and slower stuff, Bebop and
| other styles.
| meibo wrote:
| The most interesting part of this to me is seeing that this is
| made with brython, and spotting a text/python script in the wild.
| Fun stuff, people are really creative.
| bumbledraven wrote:
| Apparently the swing ratio (as measured by the ride cymbal) used
| by professional jazz musicians varies with the tempo:
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| Friberg & Sundstrom, "Preferred swing ratio in jazz as a function
| of tempo", SMH-QPSR (1997) http://kth.diva-
| portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1246291/DATASET01...
| Labo333 wrote:
| Related:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_(jazz_performance_style)
| michaelhoffman wrote:
| Setting it to less than 1 sounds horrible!
| cyclotron3k wrote:
| yeah, like speech played in reverse - satanic!
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