[HN Gopher] I want to suckless and you can too
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I want to suckless and you can too
Author : bradley_taunt
Score : 26 points
Date : 2022-12-23 18:26 UTC (1 days ago)
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| hawski wrote:
| As much as I like suckless software (not necessarily the
| community) it is a pretty contentless article:
|
| - I like Suckless
|
| - I like Alpine
|
| - I like Void more now
|
| - Here's a script
| spicybright wrote:
| It's been a while since I've looked into it, but most minimal WMs
| that I've tried fall over completely on high DPI displays from a
| lack of a global zoom setting.
|
| Maybe my eyes are just getting bad (I'm ~30) but the lack of that
| accessibility it makes them unusable for me.
| leephillips wrote:
| I use dwm (the suckless tiling window manager, certainly
| "minimal") on a variety of high DPI screens, and there's no
| problem. Just set Xft.dpi in your .Xresources file to the
| "real" screen DPI or to anything you want to scale as you wish.
| blueflow wrote:
| You need to configure the DPI, either via xrandr --dpi or via
| xrdb.
| Avshalom wrote:
| >>Software with a focus on simplicity, clarity, and frugality.
|
| >The developers also pride themselves on catering to advanced and
| experienced computer users,
|
| But, no. It's a drumbeat of less code and fewer features. Which
| is only simple in a specific worse is better sense and frequently
| infrugal because efficiency would require more code.
|
| Advanced and experienced computer users are not catered to, not
| catering to anyone who might need _a feature_ is their whole
| schtick.
| jmclnx wrote:
| Suckless comes up every so often and then it goes on to politics
| about the Suckless people.
|
| I really like the idea of Suckless, I wish the people involved
| with it directly addresses what to me seems to be a disturbing
| political slant at their conferences.
|
| Of course, you can ignore that an just use the software. Or
| better yet look for other similar software created by people that
| are apolitical.
|
| OpenBSD seems to be a place that does its best to be minimal, and
| their network setup to me is far better then anything else in
| Linux or the other BSDs.
| _dain_ wrote:
| Many times, when I see cool software projects are posted here,
| I go onto the about pages or personal blogs of the authors, to
| see what else they've made. And what I often see is a lot of
| absurd, hateful, deranged, wrong, extremist takes on their
| blogs and twitter feeds. Stuff that I find distasteful or
| outright horrifying. But they're leftist (or "centrist"), so
| there's no point complaining about it on HN.
|
| I would bet 98% of all open-source software written is by left-
| wing or apolitical people. Suckless is one of the few islands
| of (crypto-)right wing outlook. And if that bothers you and you
| have to make a fuss, go ahead. But maybe ask yourself why you
| can't be satisfied with a mere 98%.
| [deleted]
| djur wrote:
| There are a lot of conservative, liberal, or left-wing people
| I disagree with. The difference between them and fascists is
| that they're not threatening to take away my right to
| disagree with them by violence, nor do they typically suggest
| that people like me and my friends should be killed or
| imprisoned for being who we are. This is a fundamental
| difference that can't be reduced to a "both sides have
| extremists" analysis.
| blueflow wrote:
| Who is threatening to take away any rights? Who is
| disagreeing using violence? Is this any real problem right
| now?
| ohCh6zos wrote:
| Both the far left and the far right have told me I
| shouldn't have rights and that I should be sent to the
| camps. From my perspective it really is a 'both sides have
| extremists' situation.
| masklinn wrote:
| > Suckless is one of the few islands of right wing outlook.
|
| It has a concerning concentration of outright neo nazis.
|
| If that's what you consider acceptable "right wing outlook",
| I can see how you'd consider "98% of all open-source software
| written is by left-wing or apolitical people [or
| "centrists"]", and that this is apparently bad.
| ohCh6zos wrote:
| I'm pretty ignorant beyond they're software devs who write
| stuff I like. I understand if you don't want to bring up their
| politics here and potentially ruin this thread too, but if it
| can be done tastefully I'd be curious about their politics.
| kuschku wrote:
| Well, they're doing torchhikes through the area near
| Nuremberg on their meetups, they send emails through relays
| with hostnames like "Wolfsschanze" and devs with official
| suckless flair post on [website that's basically a clone of
| HN] complaining about "cultural marxism".
|
| Obviously, you still have to interpret that yourself, but
| these are the facts about the people behind suckless.
| jmclnx wrote:
| I would just do a search in google :) It was also mentioned
| by L. Poettering on his twitter account a few years ago.
|
| I would like to see this thread stay true to Suckless itself
| (for a change).
| dpkirchner wrote:
| This all looks bad enough that I'm not sure it's reasonable
| to separate their "politics" from the people.
| Avshalom wrote:
| Probably shouldn't have brought it up unprompted in the
| first comment on the thread then.
| wpietri wrote:
| I searched a bit and this is what I got: https://www.reddit.c
| om/r/systemd/comments/qg1g88/poettering_...
| BirAdam wrote:
| I've always really loved suckless. Only thing I don't do is dwm.
| I've always preferred evilwm with dmenu.
| jmclnx wrote:
| me, it is cwm :)
| kace91 wrote:
| > The developers also pride themselves on catering to advanced
| and experienced computer users, which is actually a refreshing
| take in my opinion
|
| Am I too old?
|
| My first linux install took me days to get to the point of
| showing a desktop. _Not_ catering to advanced users is the
| novelty in the linux world imo - and it's not entirely there yet.
| printf_alex_ wrote:
| My first (arch btw) linux install it took me a whole week to
| install correctly in the first place, yet to show the DE. This
| was with prior experience working with linux. I personally
| liked that it was complicated since it was a good learning
| experience (much better than the oversimplified Ubuntu install
| anyways)
| rhn_mk1 wrote:
| While I agree with the basic idea, it seems that in practice it's
| been taken over by ascetes who throw the baby out with the bath
| water and impose pointless restrictions on themselves just for
| signalling.
|
| If you want software to have less complexity, you don't choose a
| language which gives you options, you choose one which removes
| ways to make mistakes. That means, emphatically, not C. You don't
| have to choose Rust, which is complex indeed, but allows your
| code to be less difficult. If you want strictness, choose
| Haskell. Or maybe go the middle way and do OCaml. Or maybe Ada.
|
| I don't understand how the suckless community goes from
| "vulnerabilities are commonplace" and calling out masterminds to
| writing C, which is famously difficult to code without stepping
| into undefined behaviour.
|
| Or maybe I do: this checks out if minimalism is more important
| than vulnerabilities and simplicity.
|
| Similar criticism can be applied to sticking to X11 compared to
| Wayland, regarding vulnerabilities (any application can see any
| other) and performance (any application can block the entire
| server - try ssh -X on a high latency connection to see).
| masklinn wrote:
| > Or maybe I do: this checks out if minimalism is more
| important than vulnerabilities and simplicity.
|
| Nah it does not. If minimalism is more important than
| vulnerabilities and simplicity you use forth, or an advanced
| assembler.
|
| It's dunning kruger.
| gigatexal wrote:
| No, no, no. Suckless's tiling window manager has no config. To
| change anything you must recompile and relaunch. Wtf?? What kind
| of ethos is that?
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