[HN Gopher] Picture This: The Periodic Table
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       Picture This: The Periodic Table
        
       Author : laurex
       Score  : 60 points
       Date   : 2022-12-23 21:50 UTC (2 days ago)
        
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       | ryandrake wrote:
       | Great visualization. I've always found it very unsatisfying to
       | depict the lanthanides and actinides as just nebulously floating
       | out there like Alaska and Hawaii on terrible maps of the US.
       | Those elements are part of chemistry/physics too, and they have
       | periodic properties. Finally a practical visual that promotes
       | them to full citizens!
        
       | thriftwy wrote:
       | > A Siberian by birth, with Rasputin-like dishevelled hair and an
       | irascible manner
       | 
       | Most of Mendeleev's photos are of his old age, but he actually
       | discovered the periodic table in his 40s, I believe.
        
       | Pulcinella wrote:
       | If you can find a copy I highly recommend _Graphical
       | Representations of the Periodic System During 100 Years_ by
       | Edward G. Mazurs. The latest edition is from 1974 (which
       | unfortunately means it is just misses including the J.F. Hyde
       | table from 1975).
       | 
       | There is also the Internet Database of Periodic Tables
       | (https://www.meta-
       | synthesis.com/webbook/35_pt/pt_database.php...).
       | 
       | I'm not sure there really is any new insight to be gained from
       | new arrangements of the elements, but I do feel like this work
       | has stagnated in recent years. Even the cheapest smart phones
       | have more graphical processing power than anything from 10-20
       | years ago. I would like to see more 3D arrangements (including
       | "regular" 3D, VR/AR, and physical 3D models).
       | 
       | As a former Chemistry teacher, I would also love to see a "build
       | your own" periodic table (maybe some way of coding whatever
       | rules/constraints you think the arrangement should take and the
       | elements are laid out accordingly, rather than directly placing
       | each element). I think it's important for students to realize
       | that at one point these were original ideas that people had to
       | think of and popularize and that new ideas are also possible. The
       | current table is not just some ancient truth handed down since
       | time immemorial. Though the table reflects the laws of nature, it
       | is the product of human creation (e.g. the common form of the
       | table with the lanthanides and actinides placed below the rest of
       | the table is purely for practical reasons. Otherwise the table is
       | far too wide to print and read easily).
        
         | WillAdams wrote:
         | I've always thought it was quite unfortunate that some really
         | arcane presentation of the periodic table wasn't used in H.
         | Beam Piper's novella "Omnilingual":
         | 
         | https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/19445/pg19445-images.ht...
        
         | bluenose69 wrote:
         | > I think it's important for students to realize that at one
         | point these were original ideas that people had to think of
         | 
         | This part of your informative comment indicates to me that you
         | were a great teacher. This sort of thing doesn't occur to many
         | students, and so they find it difficult to connect with
         | material. If they can visualize somebody else doing such work,
         | they may be able to visualize themselves doing it, too. And
         | that's the first step. Even if they don't go into science,
         | though, they will gain an appreciation for what it is.
        
           | Pulcinella wrote:
           | Thank you for your kind words! :)
        
       | hcrisp wrote:
       | I recently ran across Benfey's alternate periodic table (1964)
       | which is similar but more complete:
       | 
       | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_periodic_tables
        
         | 082349872349872 wrote:
         | Thanks, that led me to Giguere's
         | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4233444/figure/...
         | which, being orbital based, I guess counts as a physicists'
         | table.
         | 
         | For sheer exuberance, how about the Railsback table?
         | http://railsback.org/PT/815PeriodicTable48e02.pdf
        
         | zksmk wrote:
         | I love Benfey's table. I find it the most intuitive to
         | interpret at a glance at what's actually going on with the
         | electrons and the filing of the orbitals (in the version where
         | they're marked) around the nucleus. Might be just taste, but
         | it's my fave.
        
       | einpoklum wrote:
       | So, what's so special about Silicon (Si) which puts in the middle
       | of the 8-shaped figure at the top of the story?
       | 
       | Also, why does Carbon seem to protrude from the spiral towards
       | Silicon?
        
         | jtbayly wrote:
         | My questions exactly. Also, why the faint lines from silicon
         | running to lots of other elements?
        
           | bronson wrote:
           | It was created by an organosilicon chemist. It sounds like
           | this rendering was meant to illustrate silicon instead of
           | being purely general purpose: https://corporate.dow.com/en-
           | us/about/company/history/james-...
        
             | 082349872349872 wrote:
             | That suggests the modern equivalent would be one where the
             | spiral animates, as the reader picks their "focus"
             | element...
        
       | rahimnathwani wrote:
       | I'd like to put a poster of the periodical table on my kid's
       | bedroom wall.
       | 
       | What's the best representation for a 6 year old?
        
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