[HN Gopher] Novell NetWare: The King Returns from the Dead (2001)
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Novell NetWare: The King Returns from the Dead (2001)
Author : susam
Score : 33 points
Date : 2022-12-26 12:25 UTC (10 hours ago)
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| spijdar wrote:
| > Enterprise management is impossible with Microsoft's domain
| based Windows NT networking. Microsoft Active Directory, part of
| the ever later Windows 2000, was supposed to fix this, but it now
| appears MAD may be a failure (Microsoft is already trying to sell
| its shortcomings as "features" and it isn't even out yet).
|
| Oh, poor Novell. This is all before my time, but to me Novell's
| legacy is just "that company in the SCO vs. Novell lawsuit" and
| occasionally seeing IPX traffic from e.g. printers in Wireshark.
| It's odd to look at what could have been, from a once dominant
| player that's disappeared into "tech myth" now.
|
| This really does seem to be an attempt at smiling in the face of
| death though -- I've never played with NetWare but it's not hard
| to see how Win2k would capture the market; setting up an AD
| domain is a click-through process on a familiar OS/GUI, why
| bother licensing and learning something like NetWare if Windows
| is good enough...
| torh wrote:
| I remember Novells NDS (directory service) to be miles head of
| Microsoft AD back in Windows 2000, and even many years after.
| But AD was included "for free" in Windows, and the rest is
| history...
| gtirloni wrote:
| What could it have been? Only thing I heard about Novell back
| in the day was how awful and unreliable it was.
| zabzonk wrote:
| Awful, yes, unreliable no. What was unreliable was the
| network infrastructure - coax ethernet, or even worse frozen
| hosepipe and/or token ring. It was a happy day when twisted-
| pair, star topology ethernet was introduced.
| nradov wrote:
| NetWare was reliable as long as you used high quality
| hardware and didn't run any third-party applications on the
| server. It didn't support real memory protection or
| preemptive multitasking so if you tried to run a database or
| email application on the NetWare server itself then it got
| shaky. But the core file and printer sharing features were
| fast and rock solid.
| de6u99er wrote:
| >After several attempts to cut in failed, Microsoft entered
| merger talks with Novell's chief, Ray Noorda. Noorda discovered
| Bill Gates was maneuvering behind his back even as they spoke,
| and became infuriated.
| sonofhans wrote:
| I ran Netware 3.x and 4.x in the late 90s & early 00s. It was a
| big professional office, and nothing was public-facing (all we
| had was an ISDN line anyway).
|
| It was great, honestly. It took me years with Linux to become as
| comfortable as I was with Netware. The stability of those
| machines, in fact, allowed me free time to learn Linux in the
| first place.
| tibbon wrote:
| I really liked Netware 4/5 era. I got my basic Novell certs in
| high school and did a lot of administration work with it around
| then.
|
| I always liked their file/resource permissions system, including
| how its inheritance worked - far more than now Microsoft or *nix
| implemented it.
| spamtarget wrote:
| aged like milk
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