[HN Gopher] AIOC: Ham Radio All-in-One-Cable ___________________________________________________________________ AIOC: Ham Radio All-in-One-Cable Author : zdw Score : 221 points Date : 2023-01-02 15:06 UTC (7 hours ago) (HTM) web link (github.com) (TXT) w3m dump (github.com) | dsalzman wrote: | For the curious - I followed the "How to Fab" instructions to get | pricing. Came out to $57.72 + tax/shipping for QTY 5 from | JLCPCB.com . That includes making the PCB and assembly of the | components besides the TRS connectors. Cheaper than I thought!! | rvcdbn wrote: | I'm unfamiliar with this. What are the kinds of things one could | do with this? Why is it useful? | bri3d wrote: | This interfaces with four parts of a handheld radio | transceiver: | | * Audio In (mic) | | * Audio Out (speaker) | | * Push To Talk button | | * Serial UART reprogramming interface. | | It's useful because you can hook your computer up to a radio | with a single device and use the cable both to reconfigure the | radio but also for APRS (Automated Packet Reporting System), | which is a really cool system by which standard digital packets | containing arbitrary information are repeated through a network | of ground stations worldwide. Think an "IOT mesh network" from | before buzzword technology (and unfortunately with a much | higher power requirement than the modern LoRa based systems). | | This has always been possible using a sound card and some | method to manipulate the PTT interface, and a separate UART | cable swapped in for reprogramming, but having everything | together on one cable is a nice convenience. | jkingsman wrote: | The other element of this is CAT control, which is a serial | protocol for tuning the radio (among other capabilities); CAT | control for tuning + transmission control for turning on/off | transmit + audio abilities (to send and receive) basically | makes a radio 100% digitally controllable, which can be | helpful for everything from voice traffic to data mesh to | scanning/monitoring/etc. | Temporary_31337 wrote: | My father is an avid ham operator and unfortunately at his age, | his health is declining. Soon he will have to move from a remote | location where he has all the antennas for various bands etc and | I wonder if there's some Internet to radio bridge so he could | still use his equipment remotely? | thrwawy74 wrote: | One of my favorite projects is the KiwiSDR network, which is | essentially making radios available online for public use: | | http://kiwisdr.com/ | | http://rx.kiwisdr.com | | Your father could be anywhere and enjoy listening from... | anywhere? :-) | wkat4242 wrote: | Yes this is a thing. Modern rigs can be controlled over the | internet pretty well. Sometimes you can even take the control | head with you! | xxpor wrote: | It really depends on which radios he has. A lot of modern ones | will allow direct control via an Ethernet port | jmbwell wrote: | This is awesome. | | Now add something like the AT1846 "walkie talkie" transceiver | chip and some RF switching and filtering, and we'd have a self | contained "USB VHF adapter" sort of thing... | dylan604 wrote: | I find the history of all-in-one-cables interesting. I come from | ancient video production (late 80s time frame), which means I was | still using equipment from even earlier. Back then some of these | AIOCs were 1" round with 15-20 pins. It was all analog signals | which meant each signal needed its own pin. Some AIOCs were | D-style connectors with up to 15-20 pins that were not compatible | with things like VGA/DB25/SCSI types of computer cables. Going | digital drastically reduced the number of pins for old parallel | connections and down to one as the signal became serial. My | favorite was SDI which carried the video and audio down a single | pin coax cable with a twist lock BNC connector. Consumer grade | released DV cables and then HDMI. Both of which are inferior in | my opinion specifically for their lack of locking when connected, | but their extra pins do allow for interesting things consumer | friendly like ARC and ethernet/data stuff. | anikom15 wrote: | SDI is definitely still used, and still found on professional | monitors. I think locking is not worth it for consumer-grade | equipment, where cable reconnexions are rare, but some push-in | connectors are better than others. For example, VGA without | screws is a bad idea. | dylan604 wrote: | Of course SDI is still used: there's nothing better! The only | update was to minify it so we now have SDI on smaller gear. | Smaller, but still with twist lock. When it comes to | professional cameras, I don't want an HDMI cable any where | near my setup. | | Reminds me of the Technic 1200s. Built in the 70s, nearly | perfect on first release, no major updates required. Only | small tweaks with no bearing to core functionality. I feel | the same way about SDI. Feature complete! | anikom15 wrote: | I agree there's nothing better. What theoretical bandwidth | can SDI support? A typical BNC (50 O) goes up to around 6 | GHz while precision coax connectors (screw-on) can be up 67 | GHz+. The 'low' performance of BNC is primarily blamed on | the twist-lock. | dylan604 wrote: | We're up to 12G and 24G now which handles the higher | resolution videos like 4k/8k. | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_digital_interface | | Also, SDI uses 75ohm cable | Yhippa wrote: | I remember this being a decent hobby when I was growing up. I'm | curious about getting into it now. | | 1. Is it still worth getting into? What kind of cool things can | you do with it? | | 2. Are there any good or trustworthy guides recommended? | DrAwdeOccarim wrote: | Totally! I got my tech back in the '10s and just got my general | a few months ago. The coolest tinkering part is the antenna. So | much cool physics and mental imaging of emission patterns based | on the length and frequency you want to broadcast on. The | digital modes are so neat too by allowing contacts without | needing to speak/helps people with some anxiety about sounding | silly on the radio : ) | | You can talk to satellites on 20 and 70cm, which I haven't | gotten into yet but seems really cool. I have just started | playing with 10/20/40m with a little time spent listening on | 80/160m. Just scanning through the EM spectrum with a waterfall | showing a section of bandwidth is so interesting. | hongseleco wrote: | 1.) Absolutely, DIY aspect is still very strong (which is why | I'm in in personally, I think it's pretty cool and interesting) | Low Power modes (QRP) are magical. Recently increased solar | activity has further enhanced these modes :) | | 2.) Plenty on YouTube nowadays (Ham Radio Crash Course, W2AEW, | etc.), there are a few blogs here and there that you'll run | into when you have specific questions. For exam prep, I loved | the Gordon West books. | | On a personal note: | | Today actually marks my tenth year of being licensed :) 10 | Years ago I took the tech and general class exams and passed, | after studying some of the Gordon West books and using an | Android app question generator at the time. 9 Years ago (at | time of posting this in two days), I upgraded to Extra Class. | | Like most new hams nowadays, I started out with a $35 Baofeng | and $20 RTL-SDR dongle. It wasn't till after college and | getting a full-time job that I finally invested into HF (Yaesu | FT-991A, FT-818ND). For the past year, I've been building QRP | rig kits, and learning CW. | | Having a license definitely gave me some bonus points on | job/internship interviews for electrical engineering jobs | (Specifically RF/Mixed signal specialized positions). | | Hamfests, especially the bigger ones like Orlando Hamcation and | Dayton Hamvention, if you're very lucky like me can get some | pretty good deals on test equipment and second hand rigs. I got | very lucky last year in finding a Signal Hound BB60C Spectrum | Analyzer for $400! (Current MSRP is pushing $3600+). | | I've heard and seen a lot of negative stories about the hobby. | Yes a lot of older folks (the "RF-Boomers" as I like to call | them) tend to be pretty stubborn and hostile, try to avoid | them. There are a lot of good folks that want to help (the True | elmers of the hobby), spend a lot of time with them. I've been | very fortunate to be a part of two clubs (Dayton Amateur Radio | Association, and Platinum Coast Radio Society (Melbourne, FL)) | that are very welcoming, friendly, and very active. | | I can keep writing about all of the positive aspects of the | hobby, but TL;DR I highly recommend it! | | 73 | | KD8TUO | acidburnNSA wrote: | I enjoyed learning and tinkering with it for a few years but | haven't been on much recently. Partly I just didn't try hard | enough to learn more, but I was also a little disappointed omat | how much the conversations are inevitably about antennas and | contesting. Still, I met lots of fun interesting people through | the local clubs. | donniefitz2 wrote: | I'm pretty deep into radio and never in a million years would | have thought I would be. I even remember giving a co-worker a | hard time for getting his ham radio license. Now, I'm a full- | fledged GMRS and ham nerd. | | 1) It's worth getting into for 3 reasons: emergency | communications, learning about some very interesting technical | things like how antennas work, networked repeater systems, and | there's a social aspect to talking with others on simplex and | repeaters. Radio is far more technical than I ever realized and | it's a very deep topic. | | 2) There are some good YouTube channels that can give you a | quick overview of what's possible (Ham Radio Crash Course, Ham | Radio 2.0) I also have a podcast where I talk about GMRS | (similar to ham but very limited) at gmrs.fm | | You might be surprised at how interesting radio can be. I was. | ryandotsmith wrote: | 1. Yes. YouTube has made it much more accessible in recent | decades. I talk with my friend who lives a few miles away. We | love it. | | - KN6LLA | gh02t wrote: | Will note that having a license can be useful outside of ham, | too. E.g. if you're a hiker it can be handy to be able to carry | a "real" radio with you. The license test doesn't cost much and | is super easy (the entire pool of questions/answers is posted | online and there are study guides). | tlavoie wrote: | Indeed, I have found mine handy for things like contacting | the logging company whose sign indicated a closed hiking | trail. I think I startled the gent by popping up on the | radio, but was able to confirm that they were done for the | day, and we could continue safely. | jmbwell wrote: | The questions are set to change later in 2023, so now would | be a good time for anyone who wants to do so to study up and | take the test... | swalberg wrote: | Just for General. Technician changed last year. | ShakataGaNai wrote: | The emergency preparedness aspect of Ham is highly under | valued/underappreciated... or at least it goes unnoticed. | | First, most modern handy talkies (what Ham's call their hand | held radios) are also very solid "scanners". In so far as you | can tune in to a lot of different frequencies and listen. | Weather alerts, AM/FM Radio (like the kind you used to listen | to in your car before spotify)... you name it. Super handy if | you say, lose power and cell service. | | Speaking of which, remember that cell service is heavily | dependent on a number of external factors. Like the antenna's | still being upright (earthquakes, tornado, hurricanes are | bad). There still being power. There still being connectivity | (typically fiber optic)... and most importantly - NOT being | overloaded. With a Ham radio you can listen or transmit, with | no other dependencies. | | For more local issues, like hiking or camping. Even if you're | out of cell range, your radio may very well work. A 5W handy | talky can reach up to 30 miles, depending on your location | (basically line of sight). If you can get to the top of a | hill or mountain and get a clear view - you can get a signal | out to someone. All you need to do is get on the 2-Meter Band | Calling Frequency (146.520 Mhz) or the 70-Centimeter Band | Calling Frequency (446.000 Mhz) and it's a safe bet someone | out there is probably listening. Even better if you've looked | up local repeaters in the area. | | Also, the radio's are stupid cheap now. BaoFeng makes "cheap | and cheerful" (nicest way to describe them) handheld units: | Like a 8watt unit for $70 USD. | https://www.amazon.com/BaoFeng-BF-F8HP-Two- | Way-136-174Mhz-40... -- They even sell 2 packs of slightly | weaker radios for $50 total. Are they the best? No. Should | you splurge and get something better? Totally. Like a 10W | radio that support DMR (Digital Mode) for $180 | https://www.amazon.com/Radioddity-GD-AT10G-Handheld- | Digital-... . But if you just want to get your ham and use it | once-every year... get a $50 radio and toss it in your car or | something similar. Just make sure to get alkaline batteries | for them. Lithium rechargeable are nice but lose charge over | time. | Yhippa wrote: | Question: why is a license needed? Is it so that users don't | pollute the airwaves? | amatecha wrote: | Partly yeah, radio spectrum is a limited resource. All | users of radio spectrum have to work within agreed-upon | limitations. Further, radios can be dangerous. Someone | operating radio transmission equipment could harm others or | themselves if the equipment is not being used properly. | There are many regulations around the usage of radios and | "proving" one is sufficiently aware of these regulations is | also part of the reason behind requiring a license. In | Canada we don't call it a license, it's merely a | certificate of proficiency, to indicate your | capabilities/knowledge in respect to the amateur radio | regulations. | drewnick wrote: | Basically, yes. The test filters out at least a subset of | users who are not interested in the tech side. | | You can get a gmrs license without a test and those | frequencies tend to have less decorum as a result. | justin66 wrote: | The same is true of CB (Citizens Band) radio, except | "less decorum" would be putting it mildly. | Manuel_D wrote: | Back before widespread adoption of the internet espionage | was a real concern for radio. In fact, amateur radio across | the board was suspended during WWII. But this is not really | the case now. These days it's more about preventing | interference with aviation, maritime, and other bands. | | Realistically, people buy Baofengs [1] and transmit on GMRS | frequencies while paintballing or airsoft all the time and | nobody gives a crap. When they do it on amateur | frequencies, hams will demand their callsign complain. I | swear, there's at least a half dozen people staring at | their spectrum analyzers all day. | | 1. A popular, cheap VHF/UHF radio: | https://www.amazon.com/BaoFeng-UV-5R-Dual-Radio- | Black/dp/B00... | wkat4242 wrote: | Yes but it's also to make sure you know what you're doing, | both in a technical and procedural way. The point of a ham | license is not to buy a $50 baofeng from AliExpress and | chat. We all do that but it's more a way to talk about the | actual hobby. But the point of the license is to build | radios yourself, experiment with new modes, be on the | bleeding edge. Obviously you need to know what you're doing | in order to not cause interference. | | If you just want to chat and/or have emergency comms for | hiking, just buy a GMRS or InReach, PLB etc. Ham radio is | really about having radio as a hobby and technical | interest. | | PS: I'm not one of the ham elitists and I like the | availability of easily accessible licences for starters | like the novice one. But it's important to realize what | it's all about. If you're not into that you will find the | chat on the bands very boring. | | I'm a hiker and a ham and I carry both my ham radio and an | InReach. Only the latter I really consider my emergency | comms. The radio is more for fun. Nobody monitors the ham | frequencies professionally unlike InReach which is backed | by the GEOS emergency center. A PLB is arguably even better | but I don't go into situations where I'd really need it and | I like the way the InReach lets me message my family too. I | don't consider a ham radio a tool for personal emergencies. | | For major emergencies it's a different thing, when there's | a disaster all the ARES guys will break out their kit and | will provide what I'm sure will be an amazing network. But | don't rely on someone listening when you're alone in the | hills. | throwawayx134ax wrote: | Primarily, yes. There are international treaties regarding | power, frequency, and transmissions that make sure you're | not stomping on people. Each of the countries involved | wants to make sure the operators know and understand what | is expected. | teeray wrote: | Yeah, it's kinda wild that with a packable QRP rig for SOTA, | you can pretty reliably get in touch with someone (that being | the entire point of SOTA). Of course I'd try more | conventional means first in an emergency situation while | hiking, but I certainly like having backup comms. | birdyrooster wrote: | The coolest thing I have seen is that people meet up on a pre | shared frequency at a given time and take roll call. If that | doesn't sound exhilarating, it might not be a hobby for you. | zack6849 wrote: | maybe that's the most interesting on repeaters, but if you | get a general license and hop on HF it gets much more | interesting IMO, cross county radio is fun, contesting, even | on VHF/UHF it's really cool to play with DMR and linked | repeaters systems, for example in Florida we have SARNET, a | statewide repeater system which is super useful for talking | around the state but also for emergencies / during | hurricanes. | [deleted] | vorpalhex wrote: | You can rag chew, or control drones from afar. You can beacon | your position and see your friends via aprs. You can check your | winlink email or send some (yeah not the most exciting) and of | course lots of digital modes for keyboard-to-keyboard over | radio. | Manuel_D wrote: | I got my license a few months ago. There are active repeater | nets in my area, and several clubs. There's a whole variety of | activities to do: DXing (trying to achieve long distance | contacts), building and testing radio kits, contesting, and | just generally talking to people. | | As far as guides, we'd need to know what you're interested in. | The ARRL handbook is a huge technical reference, but it's | actually quite sparse in terms of setting up a station and | making contacts. Although that's understandable, the process is | different for many radios and you're better off reading the | transceiver's manual | gamache wrote: | It's definitely still worth getting into, and in many ways it's | more accessible than ever. Equipment prices are lower than | ever, and there is so much information available on nearly any | subject within the hobby. | | A few hot things right now: * FT8 and other weak-signal digital | modes are so good at long-distance communication that it almost | feels like magic. * Software-defined radio (SDR) opens up a new | world of cheap signal processing. This is why a $300 radio | today can outperform a $3000 radio from a decade ago, or why | you can buy a NanoVNA vector network analyzer for $65 and it | fits in your hand, rather than paying $5000 for a used HP VNA | that barely fits on your desk. * Near-field communications, | like RFID and keyfob hacking. The Flipper Zero is a fun little | widget for this. | | Personally, I enjoy FT8, CW/Morse code with a straight key or | bug, antenna design (wire antennas are cheap and endlessly | tweakable), and portable operation. I'm interested in amp | design as well, but that's mostly confined to reading circuits | and daydreaming. :) | | Hope you find something you enjoy in here. | | -Pete K1QG | picture wrote: | Just a comment, genuine NanoVNA V2 costs a good bit more than | $65, but still extremely accessible for what it offers. Cheap | clones have measurably dubious performance. | | https://nanorfe.com/images/clone_comparison_new2.png | https://nanorfe.com/nanovna-v2.html#buying | jneumann004 wrote: | I'll answer you second question first, ham radio crash course | is probably the most popular amateur radio you tuber. | | I got licensed about a year ago and I'm still having a blast | with it. There is the standard ways of communication via radio, | voice and continuous wave (morse code). Most modern radios are | able to be connected to a computer to communicate with other | radios digitally. Digital modes are generally better for low | power. | | I have a lower end 20 watt radio and I can regularly talk to | all of the continental united states, but depending on | conditions I have reached South America and eastern Europe. | vineyardmike wrote: | I want to share a different experience. | | 1. I got my license in college, since my advisor was a big | radio guy. I never really could get into it because it's | inherently social (you have to talk to people over the radio). | That's not to say people were unfriendly- everyone really was | welcoming. I just never built a "sticky" social connection to | it. I was young and didn't really need more socializing while | in school, and didn't try to make it work... | | 2. The best trustworthy guide is a person IRL. But others have | listed great online resources too. | | The technical stuff is super fun and you could spend a lifetime | playing with the cool equipment and fiddling with your setup. | BUT if you don't make a social connection and interact with | others, it gets old. I keep my radio for emergency purposes | (probably good enough reason alone to get into it), and because | I see the appeal of it as a hobby, but I almost never use it. | | There is a ton of events and things people do "in the | community". There are competitions of all sorts, and meetups, | and radio-related things. I haven't done any, but I also didn't | see much in other comments so I'm hoping people with more | knowledge can share. | | There's also related tech like packet radio which is kinda like | "dial up over radio". That's what the original article linked | would most likely be used for. There are emergency prep groups, | including completely digital tech that doesn't use traditional | radios like SFWEM and AREDN (basically an emergency mesh WiFi | network using special frequencies and commercial equipment). | | The test was easy to anyone with a technical background | (electrical, not software). To everyone else it's still pretty | doable with studying and prep. I was in school studying | electronics, but I think I studied for like 3 total hours for | the test. It's a mixture of topics ranging from regulation to | antenna information. IMO the test gives you a good insight into | part of the hobby. If you enjoy studying for it you'll enjoy | the technical stuff. | | I haven't picked up my radio in years. Every time I move, I | think "surely the Bay Area has a lot of hams, this is a good | time to try it out again" and then never get around it it. | | YMMV and I don't want to disparage or discourage anyone from | trying it out. There's a ton of cool things to do. It's just a | reminder that it's social. | jacobmarble wrote: | > Maybe integrate a TNC Modem with KISS interface? (I am not sure | if that is worth the effort) | | This makes me sad. | | Several years ago, I ran a packet radio / AX.25 server, and used | it to hop around Southern California, Mexico, Oregon, Nevada. It | was super fun, but there were very few peers to actually chat | with. | | I used the KISS interface on my KPC-3 to also run a Zork server | from a Raspberry Pi -- anyone could login and play Zork, and the | state was persisted, so you could logoff and continue later. So | much fun, so few visitors. | wkat4242 wrote: | Yeah I miss packet also. We used to have long chats on the | local BBS and in the monitor window sometimes. And I'd hop all | over the country and sometimes even via satellites. | | But APRS totally killed packet :'( Now it's just a dumb | positioning service that nobody interacts with, they just leave | it on auto mode. | | I wonder if APRS hadn't happened, would faster packet modes | have continued to be developed? The problem was that 9600 was | fast enough for APRS so nobody cared about making a faster | mode. | nickysielicki wrote: | They've explicitly made it illegal for anything to go faster | or wider, which is the core of the problem. | | The ARRL is so incompetent, overly concerned with their own | elections and never interested in pursuing changes that would | actually allow for the hobby to grow into the 21st century. | Proud non-member. | wkat4242 wrote: | Oh we don't have this issue in Europe where I'm based. | Faster is possible, it was just that 9600 was so sufficient | for APRS and the remaining traditional packet community so | small that the interest waned. | | Though like I said in another post something started up | that is not really for end users but more a backbone high | speed network: https://hamnetdb.net/map.cgi | | And yeah I also tend to not join the national radio | associations. I often don't agree with their decisions and | they're often more about old guys infighting and resisting | change. I'll join the local radio clubs wherever I live for | fun meetups but I leave the politics out of it. | wglb wrote: | I recall it differently. I ran a packet radio bbs when that | was very active. What really killed it was the availability | of internet for everyone. Usage just faded. As a result of | this fading, efforts to build high speed uhf backbones faded | away. | wkat4242 wrote: | True that had a lot to do with it too. But I remember all | the buzz around APRS when it came around.. I never really | understood it, if all you're doing is putting a little flag | on a map you're not really communicating. And as a privacy | advocate I really try to prevent this very thing :P | | But some people really loved it and in my area in Europe it | absorbed all the buzz around packet. At that point the | internet had already been around for a while but packet was | still being used. I guess it depends on the region too. | | These days there is actually a movement to provide a high- | speed backbone microwave net independent of the internet | with emergencies in mind. The idea is for it to replace all | the internet-based repeater links for DNR, Brandmeister etc | It's called hamnet and it's pretty active in the | Netherlands and Germany. | | https://hamnetdb.net/map.cgi | jacobmarble wrote: | Early in my packet days, I recall there being packet nodes | that would forward you through the internet to other places | around the world. That didn't make sense to me, as part of | the fun was to require very little infrastructure. | | I wasn't involved in packet before the internet, but I was | involved in amateur radio back then. From my view, the | internet and mobile phones displaced a lot of general | interest in this hobby. | sasas wrote: | This discussion brings back fond memories of watching the | "slow scan TV" over packet radio ever so slowly rendering | low res images of a family we used to talk to in the US | from Australia on my dads rig with his 60ft antenna out | the back. This was the early 1990s before the Internet | was a thing. We ended up travelling to meet that family | in Texas in 1994. | | I recall in Texas there was some ham repeaters that | patched you into the local phone network using DTMF, but | can't recall exactly what it was called. Phone calls in | Australia at the time were costly so it was really a | novelty. | wkat4242 wrote: | > From my view, the internet and mobile phones displaced | a lot of general interest in this hobby. | | Absolutely. The whole "You can talk to people all over | the world with this" lost a lot of shine when the | internet happened :) | [deleted] | jmbwell wrote: | I'm working on this currently myself. Seems as good a thing to | do with a packet node as any. I'm following in the footsteps | here: | | https://www.richardosgood.com/posts/how-to-setup-a-raspberry... | | https://www.kevinhooke.com/2021/04/12/running-an-ax25-netrom... | | I'll be surprised if anyone ever hits my node but me. Fun | anyway! | mzerod wrote: | This is mine: | | https://github.com/pe1rrr/packet-scriptlets/tree/main/games | jacobmarble wrote: | Here's where I left my WIP in 2015. | | https://github.com/jacobmarble/pytnc | Manuel_D wrote: | Link 404s for me. | blackfawn wrote: | I believe this repo is private. GitHub uses a 404 for | that instead of a 401 or other options. | sflicht wrote: | > AIOC | | Was expecting a fine tuned version of ChatGPT that specializes in | sounding like Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez. | amatecha wrote: | Oh, this is cool. It's like a DIY Digirig! I really like that it | is MIT-licensed (open source design). | | You could change the audio plugs to sockets so you can use the | device with radios that have the speaker/mic plugs at a different | gap (Icom HTs seem to have the plugs at 10mm apart[0] instead of | the Kenwood/Baofeng/etc. spacing of 12mm[1]. | | [0] | https://forum.digirig.net/uploads/default/original/1X/7e23c4... | | [1] https://i.stack.imgur.com/BMmRJ.jpg | jkingsman wrote: | Yeah seems like making these 3.5mm receptacles would be the | icing on the cake -- in fact, might even win some converts | marketing it as an open source digirig. | 7373737373 wrote: | Still amazed that most radio manufacturers haven't even come | close to providing something like this | edrxty wrote: | It boggles my mind. Many of the newer hand held radios are sdr | based but they instead insist on providing only proprietary | interfaces that only work with their shitty proprietary digital | modes so if you actually want to use a radio to do interesting | things in the digital space, you need to go antenna to ADC to | DAC to ADC to your CPU to DAC to ADC to DAC to antenna with a | gain control step at every translation using all these little | ADC+DAC modems that are popping up. | | This whole state of affairs is painfully stupid and holding ham | radio back several decades. We need open source SDR handheld | radios like the M17/OpenRTX folks are working on. | snvzz wrote: | >We need open source SDR handheld radios like the M17/OpenRTX | folks are working on. | | Much thanks for the pointer. | ajsnigrutin wrote: | Where's the 'buy' button? For an ok price, I'd totally buy this, | and then forget about it until it arrives, then be playing with | it for a day, and then forgetting it in some drawer. | MuffinFlavored wrote: | https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0137523/ would like to have a word | with you (being silly, I'm the same way) | donniefitz2 wrote: | TIDRadio make something similar to this with a Bluetooth | interface instead of the cable. It's a decent piece of hardware, | but the app is pretty bad and limited. | | There's a market in ham radio for a Bluetooth interface to | replace the ancient programming cables and software we all use | for both HT's and mobile transceivers. | | One radio does this (the VGC VR-N7500), the interface for the | entire radio is an app, but the app again is horribly designed. | If it were some kind of open protocol, app developers could do | some truly interesting things with it. | toomuchtodo wrote: | Are there any radios with a good app experience you could | recommend? | donniefitz2 wrote: | Unfortunately that's the only one I know of with an app | interface. I did reverse engineer the app and tried to get | some cooperation with the manufacturer of the radio to create | an app of my own, but they weren't interested. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2023-01-02 23:00 UTC)