[HN Gopher] AIOC: Ham Radio All-in-One-Cable
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       AIOC: Ham Radio All-in-One-Cable
        
       Author : zdw
       Score  : 221 points
       Date   : 2023-01-02 15:06 UTC (7 hours ago)
        
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       | dsalzman wrote:
       | For the curious - I followed the "How to Fab" instructions to get
       | pricing. Came out to $57.72 + tax/shipping for QTY 5 from
       | JLCPCB.com . That includes making the PCB and assembly of the
       | components besides the TRS connectors. Cheaper than I thought!!
        
       | rvcdbn wrote:
       | I'm unfamiliar with this. What are the kinds of things one could
       | do with this? Why is it useful?
        
         | bri3d wrote:
         | This interfaces with four parts of a handheld radio
         | transceiver:
         | 
         | * Audio In (mic)
         | 
         | * Audio Out (speaker)
         | 
         | * Push To Talk button
         | 
         | * Serial UART reprogramming interface.
         | 
         | It's useful because you can hook your computer up to a radio
         | with a single device and use the cable both to reconfigure the
         | radio but also for APRS (Automated Packet Reporting System),
         | which is a really cool system by which standard digital packets
         | containing arbitrary information are repeated through a network
         | of ground stations worldwide. Think an "IOT mesh network" from
         | before buzzword technology (and unfortunately with a much
         | higher power requirement than the modern LoRa based systems).
         | 
         | This has always been possible using a sound card and some
         | method to manipulate the PTT interface, and a separate UART
         | cable swapped in for reprogramming, but having everything
         | together on one cable is a nice convenience.
        
           | jkingsman wrote:
           | The other element of this is CAT control, which is a serial
           | protocol for tuning the radio (among other capabilities); CAT
           | control for tuning + transmission control for turning on/off
           | transmit + audio abilities (to send and receive) basically
           | makes a radio 100% digitally controllable, which can be
           | helpful for everything from voice traffic to data mesh to
           | scanning/monitoring/etc.
        
       | Temporary_31337 wrote:
       | My father is an avid ham operator and unfortunately at his age,
       | his health is declining. Soon he will have to move from a remote
       | location where he has all the antennas for various bands etc and
       | I wonder if there's some Internet to radio bridge so he could
       | still use his equipment remotely?
        
         | thrwawy74 wrote:
         | One of my favorite projects is the KiwiSDR network, which is
         | essentially making radios available online for public use:
         | 
         | http://kiwisdr.com/
         | 
         | http://rx.kiwisdr.com
         | 
         | Your father could be anywhere and enjoy listening from...
         | anywhere? :-)
        
         | wkat4242 wrote:
         | Yes this is a thing. Modern rigs can be controlled over the
         | internet pretty well. Sometimes you can even take the control
         | head with you!
        
         | xxpor wrote:
         | It really depends on which radios he has. A lot of modern ones
         | will allow direct control via an Ethernet port
        
       | jmbwell wrote:
       | This is awesome.
       | 
       | Now add something like the AT1846 "walkie talkie" transceiver
       | chip and some RF switching and filtering, and we'd have a self
       | contained "USB VHF adapter" sort of thing...
        
       | dylan604 wrote:
       | I find the history of all-in-one-cables interesting. I come from
       | ancient video production (late 80s time frame), which means I was
       | still using equipment from even earlier. Back then some of these
       | AIOCs were 1" round with 15-20 pins. It was all analog signals
       | which meant each signal needed its own pin. Some AIOCs were
       | D-style connectors with up to 15-20 pins that were not compatible
       | with things like VGA/DB25/SCSI types of computer cables. Going
       | digital drastically reduced the number of pins for old parallel
       | connections and down to one as the signal became serial. My
       | favorite was SDI which carried the video and audio down a single
       | pin coax cable with a twist lock BNC connector. Consumer grade
       | released DV cables and then HDMI. Both of which are inferior in
       | my opinion specifically for their lack of locking when connected,
       | but their extra pins do allow for interesting things consumer
       | friendly like ARC and ethernet/data stuff.
        
         | anikom15 wrote:
         | SDI is definitely still used, and still found on professional
         | monitors. I think locking is not worth it for consumer-grade
         | equipment, where cable reconnexions are rare, but some push-in
         | connectors are better than others. For example, VGA without
         | screws is a bad idea.
        
           | dylan604 wrote:
           | Of course SDI is still used: there's nothing better! The only
           | update was to minify it so we now have SDI on smaller gear.
           | Smaller, but still with twist lock. When it comes to
           | professional cameras, I don't want an HDMI cable any where
           | near my setup.
           | 
           | Reminds me of the Technic 1200s. Built in the 70s, nearly
           | perfect on first release, no major updates required. Only
           | small tweaks with no bearing to core functionality. I feel
           | the same way about SDI. Feature complete!
        
             | anikom15 wrote:
             | I agree there's nothing better. What theoretical bandwidth
             | can SDI support? A typical BNC (50 O) goes up to around 6
             | GHz while precision coax connectors (screw-on) can be up 67
             | GHz+. The 'low' performance of BNC is primarily blamed on
             | the twist-lock.
        
               | dylan604 wrote:
               | We're up to 12G and 24G now which handles the higher
               | resolution videos like 4k/8k.
               | 
               | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_digital_interface
               | 
               | Also, SDI uses 75ohm cable
        
       | Yhippa wrote:
       | I remember this being a decent hobby when I was growing up. I'm
       | curious about getting into it now.
       | 
       | 1. Is it still worth getting into? What kind of cool things can
       | you do with it?
       | 
       | 2. Are there any good or trustworthy guides recommended?
        
         | DrAwdeOccarim wrote:
         | Totally! I got my tech back in the '10s and just got my general
         | a few months ago. The coolest tinkering part is the antenna. So
         | much cool physics and mental imaging of emission patterns based
         | on the length and frequency you want to broadcast on. The
         | digital modes are so neat too by allowing contacts without
         | needing to speak/helps people with some anxiety about sounding
         | silly on the radio : )
         | 
         | You can talk to satellites on 20 and 70cm, which I haven't
         | gotten into yet but seems really cool. I have just started
         | playing with 10/20/40m with a little time spent listening on
         | 80/160m. Just scanning through the EM spectrum with a waterfall
         | showing a section of bandwidth is so interesting.
        
         | hongseleco wrote:
         | 1.) Absolutely, DIY aspect is still very strong (which is why
         | I'm in in personally, I think it's pretty cool and interesting)
         | Low Power modes (QRP) are magical. Recently increased solar
         | activity has further enhanced these modes :)
         | 
         | 2.) Plenty on YouTube nowadays (Ham Radio Crash Course, W2AEW,
         | etc.), there are a few blogs here and there that you'll run
         | into when you have specific questions. For exam prep, I loved
         | the Gordon West books.
         | 
         | On a personal note:
         | 
         | Today actually marks my tenth year of being licensed :) 10
         | Years ago I took the tech and general class exams and passed,
         | after studying some of the Gordon West books and using an
         | Android app question generator at the time. 9 Years ago (at
         | time of posting this in two days), I upgraded to Extra Class.
         | 
         | Like most new hams nowadays, I started out with a $35 Baofeng
         | and $20 RTL-SDR dongle. It wasn't till after college and
         | getting a full-time job that I finally invested into HF (Yaesu
         | FT-991A, FT-818ND). For the past year, I've been building QRP
         | rig kits, and learning CW.
         | 
         | Having a license definitely gave me some bonus points on
         | job/internship interviews for electrical engineering jobs
         | (Specifically RF/Mixed signal specialized positions).
         | 
         | Hamfests, especially the bigger ones like Orlando Hamcation and
         | Dayton Hamvention, if you're very lucky like me can get some
         | pretty good deals on test equipment and second hand rigs. I got
         | very lucky last year in finding a Signal Hound BB60C Spectrum
         | Analyzer for $400! (Current MSRP is pushing $3600+).
         | 
         | I've heard and seen a lot of negative stories about the hobby.
         | Yes a lot of older folks (the "RF-Boomers" as I like to call
         | them) tend to be pretty stubborn and hostile, try to avoid
         | them. There are a lot of good folks that want to help (the True
         | elmers of the hobby), spend a lot of time with them. I've been
         | very fortunate to be a part of two clubs (Dayton Amateur Radio
         | Association, and Platinum Coast Radio Society (Melbourne, FL))
         | that are very welcoming, friendly, and very active.
         | 
         | I can keep writing about all of the positive aspects of the
         | hobby, but TL;DR I highly recommend it!
         | 
         | 73
         | 
         | KD8TUO
        
         | acidburnNSA wrote:
         | I enjoyed learning and tinkering with it for a few years but
         | haven't been on much recently. Partly I just didn't try hard
         | enough to learn more, but I was also a little disappointed omat
         | how much the conversations are inevitably about antennas and
         | contesting. Still, I met lots of fun interesting people through
         | the local clubs.
        
         | donniefitz2 wrote:
         | I'm pretty deep into radio and never in a million years would
         | have thought I would be. I even remember giving a co-worker a
         | hard time for getting his ham radio license. Now, I'm a full-
         | fledged GMRS and ham nerd.
         | 
         | 1) It's worth getting into for 3 reasons: emergency
         | communications, learning about some very interesting technical
         | things like how antennas work, networked repeater systems, and
         | there's a social aspect to talking with others on simplex and
         | repeaters. Radio is far more technical than I ever realized and
         | it's a very deep topic.
         | 
         | 2) There are some good YouTube channels that can give you a
         | quick overview of what's possible (Ham Radio Crash Course, Ham
         | Radio 2.0) I also have a podcast where I talk about GMRS
         | (similar to ham but very limited) at gmrs.fm
         | 
         | You might be surprised at how interesting radio can be. I was.
        
         | ryandotsmith wrote:
         | 1. Yes. YouTube has made it much more accessible in recent
         | decades. I talk with my friend who lives a few miles away. We
         | love it.
         | 
         | - KN6LLA
        
         | gh02t wrote:
         | Will note that having a license can be useful outside of ham,
         | too. E.g. if you're a hiker it can be handy to be able to carry
         | a "real" radio with you. The license test doesn't cost much and
         | is super easy (the entire pool of questions/answers is posted
         | online and there are study guides).
        
           | tlavoie wrote:
           | Indeed, I have found mine handy for things like contacting
           | the logging company whose sign indicated a closed hiking
           | trail. I think I startled the gent by popping up on the
           | radio, but was able to confirm that they were done for the
           | day, and we could continue safely.
        
           | jmbwell wrote:
           | The questions are set to change later in 2023, so now would
           | be a good time for anyone who wants to do so to study up and
           | take the test...
        
             | swalberg wrote:
             | Just for General. Technician changed last year.
        
           | ShakataGaNai wrote:
           | The emergency preparedness aspect of Ham is highly under
           | valued/underappreciated... or at least it goes unnoticed.
           | 
           | First, most modern handy talkies (what Ham's call their hand
           | held radios) are also very solid "scanners". In so far as you
           | can tune in to a lot of different frequencies and listen.
           | Weather alerts, AM/FM Radio (like the kind you used to listen
           | to in your car before spotify)... you name it. Super handy if
           | you say, lose power and cell service.
           | 
           | Speaking of which, remember that cell service is heavily
           | dependent on a number of external factors. Like the antenna's
           | still being upright (earthquakes, tornado, hurricanes are
           | bad). There still being power. There still being connectivity
           | (typically fiber optic)... and most importantly - NOT being
           | overloaded. With a Ham radio you can listen or transmit, with
           | no other dependencies.
           | 
           | For more local issues, like hiking or camping. Even if you're
           | out of cell range, your radio may very well work. A 5W handy
           | talky can reach up to 30 miles, depending on your location
           | (basically line of sight). If you can get to the top of a
           | hill or mountain and get a clear view - you can get a signal
           | out to someone. All you need to do is get on the 2-Meter Band
           | Calling Frequency (146.520 Mhz) or the 70-Centimeter Band
           | Calling Frequency (446.000 Mhz) and it's a safe bet someone
           | out there is probably listening. Even better if you've looked
           | up local repeaters in the area.
           | 
           | Also, the radio's are stupid cheap now. BaoFeng makes "cheap
           | and cheerful" (nicest way to describe them) handheld units:
           | Like a 8watt unit for $70 USD.
           | https://www.amazon.com/BaoFeng-BF-F8HP-Two-
           | Way-136-174Mhz-40... -- They even sell 2 packs of slightly
           | weaker radios for $50 total. Are they the best? No. Should
           | you splurge and get something better? Totally. Like a 10W
           | radio that support DMR (Digital Mode) for $180
           | https://www.amazon.com/Radioddity-GD-AT10G-Handheld-
           | Digital-... . But if you just want to get your ham and use it
           | once-every year... get a $50 radio and toss it in your car or
           | something similar. Just make sure to get alkaline batteries
           | for them. Lithium rechargeable are nice but lose charge over
           | time.
        
           | Yhippa wrote:
           | Question: why is a license needed? Is it so that users don't
           | pollute the airwaves?
        
             | amatecha wrote:
             | Partly yeah, radio spectrum is a limited resource. All
             | users of radio spectrum have to work within agreed-upon
             | limitations. Further, radios can be dangerous. Someone
             | operating radio transmission equipment could harm others or
             | themselves if the equipment is not being used properly.
             | There are many regulations around the usage of radios and
             | "proving" one is sufficiently aware of these regulations is
             | also part of the reason behind requiring a license. In
             | Canada we don't call it a license, it's merely a
             | certificate of proficiency, to indicate your
             | capabilities/knowledge in respect to the amateur radio
             | regulations.
        
             | drewnick wrote:
             | Basically, yes. The test filters out at least a subset of
             | users who are not interested in the tech side.
             | 
             | You can get a gmrs license without a test and those
             | frequencies tend to have less decorum as a result.
        
               | justin66 wrote:
               | The same is true of CB (Citizens Band) radio, except
               | "less decorum" would be putting it mildly.
        
             | Manuel_D wrote:
             | Back before widespread adoption of the internet espionage
             | was a real concern for radio. In fact, amateur radio across
             | the board was suspended during WWII. But this is not really
             | the case now. These days it's more about preventing
             | interference with aviation, maritime, and other bands.
             | 
             | Realistically, people buy Baofengs [1] and transmit on GMRS
             | frequencies while paintballing or airsoft all the time and
             | nobody gives a crap. When they do it on amateur
             | frequencies, hams will demand their callsign complain. I
             | swear, there's at least a half dozen people staring at
             | their spectrum analyzers all day.
             | 
             | 1. A popular, cheap VHF/UHF radio:
             | https://www.amazon.com/BaoFeng-UV-5R-Dual-Radio-
             | Black/dp/B00...
        
             | wkat4242 wrote:
             | Yes but it's also to make sure you know what you're doing,
             | both in a technical and procedural way. The point of a ham
             | license is not to buy a $50 baofeng from AliExpress and
             | chat. We all do that but it's more a way to talk about the
             | actual hobby. But the point of the license is to build
             | radios yourself, experiment with new modes, be on the
             | bleeding edge. Obviously you need to know what you're doing
             | in order to not cause interference.
             | 
             | If you just want to chat and/or have emergency comms for
             | hiking, just buy a GMRS or InReach, PLB etc. Ham radio is
             | really about having radio as a hobby and technical
             | interest.
             | 
             | PS: I'm not one of the ham elitists and I like the
             | availability of easily accessible licences for starters
             | like the novice one. But it's important to realize what
             | it's all about. If you're not into that you will find the
             | chat on the bands very boring.
             | 
             | I'm a hiker and a ham and I carry both my ham radio and an
             | InReach. Only the latter I really consider my emergency
             | comms. The radio is more for fun. Nobody monitors the ham
             | frequencies professionally unlike InReach which is backed
             | by the GEOS emergency center. A PLB is arguably even better
             | but I don't go into situations where I'd really need it and
             | I like the way the InReach lets me message my family too. I
             | don't consider a ham radio a tool for personal emergencies.
             | 
             | For major emergencies it's a different thing, when there's
             | a disaster all the ARES guys will break out their kit and
             | will provide what I'm sure will be an amazing network. But
             | don't rely on someone listening when you're alone in the
             | hills.
        
             | throwawayx134ax wrote:
             | Primarily, yes. There are international treaties regarding
             | power, frequency, and transmissions that make sure you're
             | not stomping on people. Each of the countries involved
             | wants to make sure the operators know and understand what
             | is expected.
        
           | teeray wrote:
           | Yeah, it's kinda wild that with a packable QRP rig for SOTA,
           | you can pretty reliably get in touch with someone (that being
           | the entire point of SOTA). Of course I'd try more
           | conventional means first in an emergency situation while
           | hiking, but I certainly like having backup comms.
        
         | birdyrooster wrote:
         | The coolest thing I have seen is that people meet up on a pre
         | shared frequency at a given time and take roll call. If that
         | doesn't sound exhilarating, it might not be a hobby for you.
        
           | zack6849 wrote:
           | maybe that's the most interesting on repeaters, but if you
           | get a general license and hop on HF it gets much more
           | interesting IMO, cross county radio is fun, contesting, even
           | on VHF/UHF it's really cool to play with DMR and linked
           | repeaters systems, for example in Florida we have SARNET, a
           | statewide repeater system which is super useful for talking
           | around the state but also for emergencies / during
           | hurricanes.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | vorpalhex wrote:
         | You can rag chew, or control drones from afar. You can beacon
         | your position and see your friends via aprs. You can check your
         | winlink email or send some (yeah not the most exciting) and of
         | course lots of digital modes for keyboard-to-keyboard over
         | radio.
        
         | Manuel_D wrote:
         | I got my license a few months ago. There are active repeater
         | nets in my area, and several clubs. There's a whole variety of
         | activities to do: DXing (trying to achieve long distance
         | contacts), building and testing radio kits, contesting, and
         | just generally talking to people.
         | 
         | As far as guides, we'd need to know what you're interested in.
         | The ARRL handbook is a huge technical reference, but it's
         | actually quite sparse in terms of setting up a station and
         | making contacts. Although that's understandable, the process is
         | different for many radios and you're better off reading the
         | transceiver's manual
        
         | gamache wrote:
         | It's definitely still worth getting into, and in many ways it's
         | more accessible than ever. Equipment prices are lower than
         | ever, and there is so much information available on nearly any
         | subject within the hobby.
         | 
         | A few hot things right now: * FT8 and other weak-signal digital
         | modes are so good at long-distance communication that it almost
         | feels like magic. * Software-defined radio (SDR) opens up a new
         | world of cheap signal processing. This is why a $300 radio
         | today can outperform a $3000 radio from a decade ago, or why
         | you can buy a NanoVNA vector network analyzer for $65 and it
         | fits in your hand, rather than paying $5000 for a used HP VNA
         | that barely fits on your desk. * Near-field communications,
         | like RFID and keyfob hacking. The Flipper Zero is a fun little
         | widget for this.
         | 
         | Personally, I enjoy FT8, CW/Morse code with a straight key or
         | bug, antenna design (wire antennas are cheap and endlessly
         | tweakable), and portable operation. I'm interested in amp
         | design as well, but that's mostly confined to reading circuits
         | and daydreaming. :)
         | 
         | Hope you find something you enjoy in here.
         | 
         | -Pete K1QG
        
           | picture wrote:
           | Just a comment, genuine NanoVNA V2 costs a good bit more than
           | $65, but still extremely accessible for what it offers. Cheap
           | clones have measurably dubious performance.
           | 
           | https://nanorfe.com/images/clone_comparison_new2.png
           | https://nanorfe.com/nanovna-v2.html#buying
        
         | jneumann004 wrote:
         | I'll answer you second question first, ham radio crash course
         | is probably the most popular amateur radio you tuber.
         | 
         | I got licensed about a year ago and I'm still having a blast
         | with it. There is the standard ways of communication via radio,
         | voice and continuous wave (morse code). Most modern radios are
         | able to be connected to a computer to communicate with other
         | radios digitally. Digital modes are generally better for low
         | power.
         | 
         | I have a lower end 20 watt radio and I can regularly talk to
         | all of the continental united states, but depending on
         | conditions I have reached South America and eastern Europe.
        
         | vineyardmike wrote:
         | I want to share a different experience.
         | 
         | 1. I got my license in college, since my advisor was a big
         | radio guy. I never really could get into it because it's
         | inherently social (you have to talk to people over the radio).
         | That's not to say people were unfriendly- everyone really was
         | welcoming. I just never built a "sticky" social connection to
         | it. I was young and didn't really need more socializing while
         | in school, and didn't try to make it work...
         | 
         | 2. The best trustworthy guide is a person IRL. But others have
         | listed great online resources too.
         | 
         | The technical stuff is super fun and you could spend a lifetime
         | playing with the cool equipment and fiddling with your setup.
         | BUT if you don't make a social connection and interact with
         | others, it gets old. I keep my radio for emergency purposes
         | (probably good enough reason alone to get into it), and because
         | I see the appeal of it as a hobby, but I almost never use it.
         | 
         | There is a ton of events and things people do "in the
         | community". There are competitions of all sorts, and meetups,
         | and radio-related things. I haven't done any, but I also didn't
         | see much in other comments so I'm hoping people with more
         | knowledge can share.
         | 
         | There's also related tech like packet radio which is kinda like
         | "dial up over radio". That's what the original article linked
         | would most likely be used for. There are emergency prep groups,
         | including completely digital tech that doesn't use traditional
         | radios like SFWEM and AREDN (basically an emergency mesh WiFi
         | network using special frequencies and commercial equipment).
         | 
         | The test was easy to anyone with a technical background
         | (electrical, not software). To everyone else it's still pretty
         | doable with studying and prep. I was in school studying
         | electronics, but I think I studied for like 3 total hours for
         | the test. It's a mixture of topics ranging from regulation to
         | antenna information. IMO the test gives you a good insight into
         | part of the hobby. If you enjoy studying for it you'll enjoy
         | the technical stuff.
         | 
         | I haven't picked up my radio in years. Every time I move, I
         | think "surely the Bay Area has a lot of hams, this is a good
         | time to try it out again" and then never get around it it.
         | 
         | YMMV and I don't want to disparage or discourage anyone from
         | trying it out. There's a ton of cool things to do. It's just a
         | reminder that it's social.
        
       | jacobmarble wrote:
       | > Maybe integrate a TNC Modem with KISS interface? (I am not sure
       | if that is worth the effort)
       | 
       | This makes me sad.
       | 
       | Several years ago, I ran a packet radio / AX.25 server, and used
       | it to hop around Southern California, Mexico, Oregon, Nevada. It
       | was super fun, but there were very few peers to actually chat
       | with.
       | 
       | I used the KISS interface on my KPC-3 to also run a Zork server
       | from a Raspberry Pi -- anyone could login and play Zork, and the
       | state was persisted, so you could logoff and continue later. So
       | much fun, so few visitors.
        
         | wkat4242 wrote:
         | Yeah I miss packet also. We used to have long chats on the
         | local BBS and in the monitor window sometimes. And I'd hop all
         | over the country and sometimes even via satellites.
         | 
         | But APRS totally killed packet :'( Now it's just a dumb
         | positioning service that nobody interacts with, they just leave
         | it on auto mode.
         | 
         | I wonder if APRS hadn't happened, would faster packet modes
         | have continued to be developed? The problem was that 9600 was
         | fast enough for APRS so nobody cared about making a faster
         | mode.
        
           | nickysielicki wrote:
           | They've explicitly made it illegal for anything to go faster
           | or wider, which is the core of the problem.
           | 
           | The ARRL is so incompetent, overly concerned with their own
           | elections and never interested in pursuing changes that would
           | actually allow for the hobby to grow into the 21st century.
           | Proud non-member.
        
             | wkat4242 wrote:
             | Oh we don't have this issue in Europe where I'm based.
             | Faster is possible, it was just that 9600 was so sufficient
             | for APRS and the remaining traditional packet community so
             | small that the interest waned.
             | 
             | Though like I said in another post something started up
             | that is not really for end users but more a backbone high
             | speed network: https://hamnetdb.net/map.cgi
             | 
             | And yeah I also tend to not join the national radio
             | associations. I often don't agree with their decisions and
             | they're often more about old guys infighting and resisting
             | change. I'll join the local radio clubs wherever I live for
             | fun meetups but I leave the politics out of it.
        
           | wglb wrote:
           | I recall it differently. I ran a packet radio bbs when that
           | was very active. What really killed it was the availability
           | of internet for everyone. Usage just faded. As a result of
           | this fading, efforts to build high speed uhf backbones faded
           | away.
        
             | wkat4242 wrote:
             | True that had a lot to do with it too. But I remember all
             | the buzz around APRS when it came around.. I never really
             | understood it, if all you're doing is putting a little flag
             | on a map you're not really communicating. And as a privacy
             | advocate I really try to prevent this very thing :P
             | 
             | But some people really loved it and in my area in Europe it
             | absorbed all the buzz around packet. At that point the
             | internet had already been around for a while but packet was
             | still being used. I guess it depends on the region too.
             | 
             | These days there is actually a movement to provide a high-
             | speed backbone microwave net independent of the internet
             | with emergencies in mind. The idea is for it to replace all
             | the internet-based repeater links for DNR, Brandmeister etc
             | It's called hamnet and it's pretty active in the
             | Netherlands and Germany.
             | 
             | https://hamnetdb.net/map.cgi
        
             | jacobmarble wrote:
             | Early in my packet days, I recall there being packet nodes
             | that would forward you through the internet to other places
             | around the world. That didn't make sense to me, as part of
             | the fun was to require very little infrastructure.
             | 
             | I wasn't involved in packet before the internet, but I was
             | involved in amateur radio back then. From my view, the
             | internet and mobile phones displaced a lot of general
             | interest in this hobby.
        
               | sasas wrote:
               | This discussion brings back fond memories of watching the
               | "slow scan TV" over packet radio ever so slowly rendering
               | low res images of a family we used to talk to in the US
               | from Australia on my dads rig with his 60ft antenna out
               | the back. This was the early 1990s before the Internet
               | was a thing. We ended up travelling to meet that family
               | in Texas in 1994.
               | 
               | I recall in Texas there was some ham repeaters that
               | patched you into the local phone network using DTMF, but
               | can't recall exactly what it was called. Phone calls in
               | Australia at the time were costly so it was really a
               | novelty.
        
               | wkat4242 wrote:
               | > From my view, the internet and mobile phones displaced
               | a lot of general interest in this hobby.
               | 
               | Absolutely. The whole "You can talk to people all over
               | the world with this" lost a lot of shine when the
               | internet happened :)
        
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         | jmbwell wrote:
         | I'm working on this currently myself. Seems as good a thing to
         | do with a packet node as any. I'm following in the footsteps
         | here:
         | 
         | https://www.richardosgood.com/posts/how-to-setup-a-raspberry...
         | 
         | https://www.kevinhooke.com/2021/04/12/running-an-ax25-netrom...
         | 
         | I'll be surprised if anyone ever hits my node but me. Fun
         | anyway!
        
           | mzerod wrote:
           | This is mine:
           | 
           | https://github.com/pe1rrr/packet-scriptlets/tree/main/games
        
           | jacobmarble wrote:
           | Here's where I left my WIP in 2015.
           | 
           | https://github.com/jacobmarble/pytnc
        
             | Manuel_D wrote:
             | Link 404s for me.
        
               | blackfawn wrote:
               | I believe this repo is private. GitHub uses a 404 for
               | that instead of a 401 or other options.
        
       | sflicht wrote:
       | > AIOC
       | 
       | Was expecting a fine tuned version of ChatGPT that specializes in
       | sounding like Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez.
        
       | amatecha wrote:
       | Oh, this is cool. It's like a DIY Digirig! I really like that it
       | is MIT-licensed (open source design).
       | 
       | You could change the audio plugs to sockets so you can use the
       | device with radios that have the speaker/mic plugs at a different
       | gap (Icom HTs seem to have the plugs at 10mm apart[0] instead of
       | the Kenwood/Baofeng/etc. spacing of 12mm[1].
       | 
       | [0]
       | https://forum.digirig.net/uploads/default/original/1X/7e23c4...
       | 
       | [1] https://i.stack.imgur.com/BMmRJ.jpg
        
         | jkingsman wrote:
         | Yeah seems like making these 3.5mm receptacles would be the
         | icing on the cake -- in fact, might even win some converts
         | marketing it as an open source digirig.
        
       | 7373737373 wrote:
       | Still amazed that most radio manufacturers haven't even come
       | close to providing something like this
        
         | edrxty wrote:
         | It boggles my mind. Many of the newer hand held radios are sdr
         | based but they instead insist on providing only proprietary
         | interfaces that only work with their shitty proprietary digital
         | modes so if you actually want to use a radio to do interesting
         | things in the digital space, you need to go antenna to ADC to
         | DAC to ADC to your CPU to DAC to ADC to DAC to antenna with a
         | gain control step at every translation using all these little
         | ADC+DAC modems that are popping up.
         | 
         | This whole state of affairs is painfully stupid and holding ham
         | radio back several decades. We need open source SDR handheld
         | radios like the M17/OpenRTX folks are working on.
        
           | snvzz wrote:
           | >We need open source SDR handheld radios like the M17/OpenRTX
           | folks are working on.
           | 
           | Much thanks for the pointer.
        
       | ajsnigrutin wrote:
       | Where's the 'buy' button? For an ok price, I'd totally buy this,
       | and then forget about it until it arrives, then be playing with
       | it for a day, and then forgetting it in some drawer.
        
         | MuffinFlavored wrote:
         | https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0137523/ would like to have a word
         | with you (being silly, I'm the same way)
        
       | donniefitz2 wrote:
       | TIDRadio make something similar to this with a Bluetooth
       | interface instead of the cable. It's a decent piece of hardware,
       | but the app is pretty bad and limited.
       | 
       | There's a market in ham radio for a Bluetooth interface to
       | replace the ancient programming cables and software we all use
       | for both HT's and mobile transceivers.
       | 
       | One radio does this (the VGC VR-N7500), the interface for the
       | entire radio is an app, but the app again is horribly designed.
       | If it were some kind of open protocol, app developers could do
       | some truly interesting things with it.
        
         | toomuchtodo wrote:
         | Are there any radios with a good app experience you could
         | recommend?
        
           | donniefitz2 wrote:
           | Unfortunately that's the only one I know of with an app
           | interface. I did reverse engineer the app and tried to get
           | some cooperation with the manufacturer of the radio to create
           | an app of my own, but they weren't interested.
        
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