[HN Gopher] My bad habit of hoarding information
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       My bad habit of hoarding information
        
       Author : techn00
       Score  : 471 points
       Date   : 2023-01-06 09:45 UTC (13 hours ago)
        
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       | williamcotton wrote:
       | I email links to myself for topics that I am actively working on
       | or researching (or planning on researching). Most languish unread
       | in my inbox but every once in awhile I search for that article I
       | saw a couple of month ago about, eg, building your own C
       | compiler...
       | 
       | I wouldn't mind if DDG/Google/et al. showed search results from
       | my curated list of articles I've archived in this manner!
        
       | lo_zamoyski wrote:
       | FOMO is a sign of the vice of curiosity[0] and pride[1]. The
       | rosier side of what you're doing is that you seem to have a means
       | of at least managing the impulse. Still unfocused, still not
       | perfect, but better than pointless chasing after information.
       | 
       | Perhaps a way to break the habit is a kind of fasting and
       | interruption: when you come across the temptation to indulge a
       | distraction or archive that link, cut yourself off and remind
       | yourself that all you're doing is dissipating your energies and
       | working against your own good and understanding. Instead of
       | nourishing your mind through sustained commitment, you are
       | choosing to wallow in the shallows of the shoreline. To enter the
       | depths, you must let go the shore. That's the decision you face
       | here, and decisions are always a sacrificial act. You give up one
       | thing for another.
       | 
       | [0] Curiosity here refers to a kind of "information
       | gluttony/lust", a kind of wandering eye. It's the same impulse
       | that afflicts busybodies and gossips in that the desire to know
       | has been unhinged from reason. You don't need to know most of
       | that stuff and most of it is of little value to you.
       | 
       | [1] Pride because there's now way you can know everything, not in
       | this life.
        
         | keybored wrote:
         | Nice diagnosis. For the cure I would look anywhere but
         | Catholicism.
        
         | themodelplumber wrote:
         | That's a pretty limited model for teaching purposes.
         | 
         | You can also model FOMO as a beginner move, unskilled outcome,
         | etc.
         | 
         | For a lot of techies this is relevant since they get more
         | traction from learning new skills than they do from moralizing,
         | for example.
         | 
         | One's views on morality may also be (harmfully) hyperbolic due
         | to a similar lack of nuanced application / experience.
        
         | abnry wrote:
         | This comment pulled me in and I've reread it several times.
         | Tere is a lot of truth here. I appreciate how information
         | hoarding can be a sign of status seeking. More knowledge, more
         | skill, more times being the person who just knows the answer.
         | Fear (of missing out) is a classic symptom of status seeking.
         | 
         | The problem is that some degree of information hoarding has
         | paid off for me. It sometimes really does improve your skill
         | and impress your peers. Aside from fasting type interventions,
         | what I think is needed in addition to this is some form of
         | wisdom relating to knowing what is valuable to hoard, read, or
         | study. It's like drinking alcohol. If you are getting drunk all
         | the time it is probably a good idea to stop completely. But
         | there are real benefits of social drinking.
         | 
         | This makes me convinced I need more skill in establishing and
         | recognizing priorities when it comes to information gathering.
        
           | bgilroy26 wrote:
           | A significant resource for the concept of curiositas is the
           | virtues section of the Summa Theologica
           | 
           | https://www.newadvent.org/summa/3167.htm
           | 
           | For those new to the Summa, generally speaking, it is good to
           | read an article starting with the On the Contrary and the I
           | Answer That, and then proceed on to the Objections and
           | Replies
        
           | elevation wrote:
           | Another point to ponder:
           | 
           | Whether you fill hard drives or book shelves, your collection
           | will perish with you unless you transfer it to someone
           | younger _and teach them to value it_ before you pass.
           | 
           | Several of my aging friends have thousands of books they've
           | read and shelved up. In a few years their children will think
           | nothing of depositing them all in the landfill because the
           | books lack both market value and sentimental value. The books
           | simply aren't worth the hassle of sorting through. Old hard
           | drives filled with niche data won't fare any better.
           | 
           | Unless the ongoing existence of your collection benefits you
           | or a protege directly, you yourself are already effectively
           | disposing of it.
        
         | giraffe_lady wrote:
         | Is a paraphrase from a john chrysostom sermon? It sounds so
         | familiar but from a completely different context and I can't
         | quite place it. It definitely stuck with me the first time I
         | heard it too, and grappling with the negative side of curiosity
         | has been valuable for me.
        
           | sockaddr wrote:
           | > write a hacker news post about information hoarding in the
           | style of john chrysostom
        
             | giraffe_lady wrote:
             | lmao
        
         | Mezzie wrote:
         | > Curiosity here refers to a kind of "information
         | gluttony/lust", a kind of wandering eye. It's the same impulse
         | that afflicts busybodies and gossips in that the desire to know
         | has been unhinged from reason. You don't need to know most of
         | that stuff and most of it is of little value to you.
         | 
         | Ow. I'm in this picture and don't like it. But that is a
         | wonderful phrase, thank you for introducing it to me.
        
         | dmreedy wrote:
         | I think there's a whole lot of truth in this, but I'd also like
         | to try to provide a complementary position, for the balance.
         | 
         | There is a kind of depth can come from focus, but this is a
         | narrow kind of depth, one that can't question its own premises.
         | It's directly analogous to the depth of a depth-first search,
         | and has the same upsides and downsides. It's really handy when
         | you know your target, and when you think your heuristics for
         | having chosen that target are pretty good.
         | 
         | Meanwhile, I think you can look at this kind of broad-spectrum
         | curiosity as a kind of breadth-first search, again, with the
         | same strengths and weaknesses. It definitely takes longer, and
         | it definitely can end up amounting to not much more than
         | wallowing. But it can also serve very well when you're not sure
         | what the target is, or if there even is one.
         | 
         | Furthermore, it can give access to more _possible_ models, more
         | analogies, more metaphor, more understanding-by-comparison,
         | which in turn grants a depth of its own kind, especially in
         | conjunction with true narrow depth of exploration. Since all
         | models are wrong, and each model explores different facets of
         | an idea, having more models gives you a broader set of tools
         | for taking a given concept and applying it to specific areas.
         | They may not be useful in the given moment, but they may lead
         | to unpredictable and insightful connections later on.
         | 
         | But of course, to your point, that all comes at the risk of
         | never getting far enough along to apply anything in the first
         | place. But I do believe there is a place for each. Feynman
         | spinning plates in the cafeteria and all that.
        
       | pazurduy wrote:
       | In the book "non-things" by "Byung-Chul Han" the author talks
       | about this feeling, the never ending information bombing (a
       | society problem in his opinion)
       | 
       | Han suggests that this overload of information has led to a kind
       | of "information fatigue," where people are unable to process or
       | make sense of all the data and information that they are exposed
       | to on a daily basis. This can lead to a feeling of disconnection
       | and alienation, as people struggle to navigate the constant
       | influx of information and find meaning in their lives.
       | 
       | the author suggest this also has personal/society consequences,
       | tho I don't agree on that 100%, but his argument is that this
       | information bombing is making us forget about other "important
       | things on life". first chapter of the book I think will help you
       | understand your feelings better and maybe understand that this is
       | a more modern problem, the old philosophers didn't manage to
       | describe the "phone-sapiens" .
        
       | naavis wrote:
       | I have this same problem with YouTube videos. I have a Watch
       | Later list of 1800 videos, and it keeps growing.
        
         | cainxinth wrote:
         | Me too. I organize them by length. I have a folder for under 30
         | minutes, 30 minutes to an hour, and over an hour. Lots of good
         | stuff in there that I always plan to get to, but generally I
         | add new ones faster than I watch old ones.
        
           | naavis wrote:
           | I once went on an organizing spree and categorized the videos
           | by topic, but never did that again, so the 1800 videos are
           | now the uncategorized videos that are not in one of those
           | more specific folders which I never visit either.
           | 
           | I am rarely in a mood to watch YouTube videos longer than
           | 5-10 minutes for some reason. Shorter ones I often watch
           | right away, but all the others get filed away for a rainy
           | day.
        
             | cainxinth wrote:
             | For me, 90% of them are 'second screen' content that I
             | leave on while doing something else.
        
         | imhoguy wrote:
         | Good you don't download them, that would grow the data hoarder
         | HDD rack pretty quickly.
        
       | jacknews wrote:
       | bookmarked
        
       | NotPavlovsDog wrote:
       | I've blocked most news websites, in the last decades the only
       | "Big World" news that I really needed were communicated to me by
       | others almost immediately (9/11, oncoming catastrophic storm,
       | lock-downs).
       | 
       | When my current endeavor needs tune-in to a particular news
       | cycle, I've set up simple scraping of top headlines only. These
       | are usually demarked via keywords, headers or other metadata.
       | Sure, there are some services and RSS readers that facilitate the
       | functionality and ease of use. Except I need less user-
       | friendliness, not more.
       | 
       | Having to spend a minute more per news source, as opposed to some
       | copy-pastes or clicks, keeps the need to over-subscribe down. The
       | interests of the media in representing information do not match
       | my own. I have not been able to find analyst materials that do
       | not suffer from politically and emotionally manipulative agendas.
       | 
       | Not letting noise in from the start is the best policy for me.
        
       | ergonaught wrote:
       | I do something similar, and in my case it is apparently a result
       | of ADHD/ASD, but that's not why I'm here. I installed the OneTab
       | browser plugin fairly recently because I tended to keep open "too
       | many" tabs across multiple devices for various reasons. And I'd
       | use it, and all my tabs are "closed and bookmarked and filed
       | away", and then a short while later I've got dozens of tabs open
       | again. In most cases, I've actually read these and I'm expecting
       | to continue using the content in some manner.
       | 
       | So, anyway, counting what's open right now and what I've filed
       | away, I'm at nearly 700 tabs. Some of them will be reused but the
       | vast majority of essentially junk food for the brain.
       | 
       | That doesn't include the untracked but presumably insane number
       | of things I actually did read but didn't keep open in a tab or
       | file for later (just as it ignores the several hundred unread
       | books on my Kindle while not counting the vast number of digital
       | and physical books I do read).
       | 
       | I could handwave and spout unfounded theories about dopamine or
       | "conditions" or anything you like, but ultimately, after decades
       | of this, in my case it's what happens when my focus is on
       | consuming rather than producing (ex: when I'm not engaged in
       | something like a zettelkasten process), while allowing my
       | insatiable curiosity and love of learning to remain undirected.
       | 
       | In short, you've got to manage that stuff. Or, at least, I do,
        
         | jwmoz wrote:
         | Delete all the tabs now and watch the world continue.
        
         | arcticfox wrote:
         | In case anyone else is looking into browser options, I can't
         | recommend https://arc.net/ more highly. I never thought I'd
         | move away from Chrome, but then again, I never considered that
         | they'd gather so much users that they can't make fundamental UX
         | improvements any more without massive friction.
         | 
         | Arc is just better for me in terms of staying organized.
         | Everyone seems to have their own favorite feature, but "Spaces"
         | are the killer feature for me.
        
           | bollos wrote:
           | Arc definitely has some features that I really like. Wish
           | they would've released it on other platforms too as I'm not
           | always using my Mac for everything that I do day-to-day.
        
           | codethief wrote:
           | Am I seeing this correctly that arc.net doesn't provide any
           | information about this supposed super browser _at all_ and
           | instead just links to a sign-up form where I need to provide
           | my email address? Yeah, no, not doing that.
        
         | grugagag wrote:
         | I got over tab hoarding by adding a shortcut to onetab to
         | archive the current tab. Now I freely archive the tabs knowing
         | it's recoverable, problem solved for me.
        
         | stavros_ wrote:
         | Fellow ADHDr here, also living the many tabs life.
         | 
         | I highly recommend the Sidebery addon (Firefox). Not just tree
         | style tabs, but tree style tabs with customizable panels so you
         | can sort everything out quite tidily. I'm able to manage
         | hundreds of tabs without mess, and prune through them on a
         | weekly basis seeing what needs to be bookmarked or can be
         | safely forgotten.
        
           | INeedMoreRam wrote:
           | [dead]
        
         | pessimizer wrote:
         | I don't know if you use firefox and tree-style tabs (unlikely,
         | but far more likely here than anywhere else.) If you do,
         | there's an extension for tree-style tabs (an extension for the
         | extension) called "Fade Old Tabs." It allows you to color tabs
         | based on how long it's been since they were accessed. You do
         | this by setting a age range for tabs to be painted gray. Tabs
         | not accessed since the beginning of that range are panted
         | _dark_ gray, and tabs accessed after the range are not colored
         | at all.
         | 
         | So if you have 700 tabs and 600 of them you haven't opened in a
         | month, you'll _see_ them and it might make a difference in your
         | habits. It also makes it easier to surf your open tabs when you
         | 're bored, rather than surfing randomly and adding new tabs.
        
           | krackpot wrote:
           | Thank you for sharing "Fade Old Tabs". I have the same
           | problem with OP and have 1200+ tabs open across 4 firefox
           | windows. That is after a big purge I did earlier this year
           | where it was 2000+. Tree Style Tabs crashed a lot before but
           | it has been quite good in recent memory.
           | 
           | I have a hard time closing out what is essentially my thought
           | process to finding a solution or doing research. Along the
           | way I close out dead branches. What remains is either a
           | solution or where I have left off. I think my mental barrier
           | is what it represents: my time capital sunk. The issue is
           | working around this many tabs and managing it; a time sink in
           | itself to fix.
           | 
           | Started documenting completed solutions in Obsidian and I've
           | found that if I can't get over my lazy barrier to even enter
           | it in, it's probably not important. Just have to keep working
           | on improving and refining the way I think and approach this.
        
             | deafpolygon wrote:
             | > have 1200+ tabs open across 4 firefox windows
             | 
             | does research get you to have so many open? How do you
             | manage it all? I've only just started using Sidebery but I
             | try to keep my tabs at a reasonable 100-200 open.
        
               | Arrath wrote:
               | If OP is anything like me, they 'manage' the old tabs by
               | thinking "Oh that's neat I'll leave it open so I can come
               | back to it' and...never do that.
        
               | goarchive wrote:
               | I fall into this trap as well. My solution to mitigate my
               | tab hoarding has been to set up a blank GitHub repo and
               | use the discussions/issues to just continually post
               | links, descriptions, and notes in a thread format.
               | 
               | Then I can just keep commenting to myself. It seems to
               | help break up topic binges that I go on. Plus I like with
               | GitHub it's all markdown-based so I can throw images,
               | files and whatever else I need in a session in there to
               | keep it all encompassing.
        
               | Pavlova8 wrote:
               | So you'd use git in a similar way you'd use obsidian,
               | just with the ability to sync online and share
               | easily/collaborate.
        
               | pessimizer wrote:
               | Ever thought of productizing that idea? Sort of a
               | personal threaded wiki that you can send bookmarks to?
        
               | 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
               | My solution is to shutdown my PCs every day.
        
               | weaksauce wrote:
               | I wrote a little webext to help me find tabs in a visual
               | way grouped by window. middle click closes the tab and
               | left click brings the tab you click on to the forefront.
               | It's simple but something I use many times every day.
               | 
               | feel free to try it out:
               | 
               | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tabist/
               | 
               | https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/tabist/hdjegjgg
               | iog...
               | 
               | https://github.com/fiveNinePlusR/tabist
        
           | namaria wrote:
           | People have hundreds of tabs open at the same time?? I get
           | anxiety if it goes above 12 or 15... The times when I just
           | close them all and start opening firefox with no previous
           | tabs are so relieving to me.
        
         | numbasys wrote:
         | This is a valuable reply because it describes my own experience
         | so well. Thank you.
        
         | SpencerOMG wrote:
         | lol a OneTab newbie, eh?
         | 
         | I've used OneTab (and then switched to BetterOneTab). Been
         | using it for about 5 years or so. I have dozens of exported
         | "backup" files, because after a certain amount of saved tabs,
         | the extension stops working. You can't save any new ones. I've
         | lost maybe 100 tabs so far by adding them to OneTab only to
         | discover I was at my limit and nothing got saved. It then stops
         | allowing deletions (they come back after refreshing the
         | extension page). So I have to export my hundreds or even
         | thousands of tabs, uninstall the extension, and then reinstall
         | it. And then I keep hoarding.
         | 
         | I have a real bad case of digital tsundoku. Even as I type
         | this, I have roughly 80 links from HN opened, two dozen or so
         | Twitter tabs, probably 30 YouTube tabs, and then a healthy heap
         | of other miscellaneous sites. I know I will never get through
         | this infinite backlog. Even if I were to squirrel myself away
         | and do nothing but open each tab, digest its contents, and move
         | on to the next, it would probably take me years. And I would be
         | so burnt out I wouldn't be digesting well enough. Plus, most of
         | that information is probably, at least slightly, outdated.
         | 
         | ...Oh well, time to open up another dozen 3-hour long YouTube
         | "mini" docs about niche subjects I have no engagement in.
        
         | lannisterstark wrote:
         | I have over 24000 frickign tabs on OneTab saved lol
         | 
         | https://tabula.civitat.es/images/2023/01/06/8krQ.png
         | 
         | I may have a problem.
        
           | johnchristopher wrote:
           | Re... restore all !
        
           | jovi909 wrote:
           | Isn't that 24000 bookmarks and not "tabs" - a tab (to me)
           | means an open tab in the browser.
        
           | user_7832 wrote:
           | Please export the tabs, before one tab crashes on you. I'm
           | amazed you made it till 24k without it crashing, low-k tabs
           | are enough on my laptop to crash it. (Though my laptop is
           | from 2015 so that might also factor in.)
        
           | yawboakye wrote:
           | i'd be interested in how many are dead links now. i'm nowhere
           | near (hovering around 500 at the moment) and when i
           | frequently do a healthcheck i see that most are already dead.
           | are you archiving (using archive's wayback machine or
           | something?) to ensure they're alive when you need them? for
           | some definition of need lol
        
           | vidarh wrote:
           | OneTab for me is a solution to my problem:
           | 
           | What ends up there is what I know isn't important enough to
           | bookmark, but I kinda feel like I should read. Having OneTab
           | makes me feel like it's ok to close the tabs, knowing full
           | well I'll never, ever look for most of them again...
           | 
           | It's an comfort blanket.
           | 
           | I know I'm fooling myself, and I'm perfectly happy with that.
        
         | phkahler wrote:
         | Those of you trying to curate large amounts of link should get
         | together and create a public index of all that content. You
         | could call the site yoohoo or something ;-)
        
           | brainzap wrote:
           | didn't there exist a browser toolbar called stumble upon that
           | allowed people to share interesting links
        
           | ryandrake wrote:
           | We've re-invented dmoz[1]. Now someone just has to slap AI
           | and blockchain on the idea, and they could raise for a
           | "modern" dmoz.
           | 
           | 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMOZ
        
           | sanderjd wrote:
           | I unironically think social bookmarking is a missing product.
           | Not because it doesn't exist, but because nothing has gained
           | enough mindshare and momentum to be dominant and widely used.
        
             | manuelmoreale wrote:
             | I know it's not exactly what you're describing but a
             | somewhat comparable option is https://www.are.na
        
             | coliveira wrote:
             | The problem is not to be dominant, it is that there was no
             | money to be made in this type of website. These sites come
             | and go, it is very difficult to monetize them.
        
               | nextaccountic wrote:
               | so they need a different model for funding
        
               | sodimel wrote:
               | I think it's great that there's no giant making money on
               | top of this concept. It lets people do whatever they want
               | to store and share links :)
        
               | sanderjd wrote:
               | Yes but it means there is no one thing that all the
               | people I want to follow all use. Everyone ends up in
               | their own sandbox. Network effects are really useful and
               | positive sum, I think.
               | 
               | And there are very few things like Wikipedia that both
               | have the benefit of being dominant and not monetized. Are
               | there any other examples at all?
        
               | 0x445442 wrote:
               | I'm very close to having an old Delicious style site
               | ready. Do you think people would pay $1 a month?
        
               | sanderjd wrote:
               | Not at first, at least, in my opinion, if crowdsourcing
               | is what makes it useful. If the network effects are what
               | makes a product useful, a subscription fee pushes against
               | the growth of that network.
        
               | 0x445442 wrote:
               | Yeah, what I'm foreseeing is public and private links,
               | tagging and the ability to search for links by page
               | description, tags and user. The subscription fee would
               | mainly be for hosting costs and an eventual commensurate
               | salary. Even if the site were to gain traction I wouldn't
               | be interested in selling ads based on user base size.
               | 
               | I'm willing to incur some hosting costs for a beta period
               | but I won't fund the service for long without revenue if
               | the hosting costs are prohibitive as I'm not really
               | interested in selling it later for someone else to
               | monetize with ads.
        
               | johnchristopher wrote:
               | Depends what you get beside storing links I suppose
               | (cached version of content, super smart search function
               | not limited to og: and metadata tags, super privacy,
               | bridges to-do app maybe ?, android app + ff ext. + chr.
               | ext. + apple thingies for ubiquitous access to links,
               | etc.). I could see myself dropping ~10bucks a year like
               | for bitwarden.
        
               | jodrellblank wrote:
               | They pay pinboard enough for idlewords (HN user) to live
               | off it, and buy Delicious when they went broke.
               | 
               | Delicious once sold to yahoo! For 15 million, bought for
               | 35k.
               | 
               | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14463102
               | 
               | Delicious spending twice as much as pinboard in running
               | costs in 2017.
               | 
               | There are some detailed blog posts from the time about
               | running costs somewhere.
        
               | fitzroy wrote:
               | How is it different from https://pinboard.in (besides $1/
               | mo)?
        
               | 0x445442 wrote:
               | Beyond some differing features and interface, there
               | wouldn't be much difference.
        
               | sanderjd wrote:
               | Agreed entirely. I guess I saw the two things as linked -
               | if you get enough network effects, there must be some way
               | to make money - but perhaps Twitter has shown us that
               | this is not the case.
        
             | incanus77 wrote:
             | Del.icio.us was a big deal ~15 years ago. I made a Mac
             | client for it (Pukka) that sold pretty well and the service
             | was much talked-about in tech circles, not just for
             | researchers. This was in the early era of social networking
             | as a whole ("Web 2.0") as well as this idea of "wisdom of
             | crowds" for emergent context to bubble up from public
             | tagging.
        
             | aprdm wrote:
             | Isn't that Reddit ?
        
             | Moissanite wrote:
             | StumbleUpon used to be a kind of answer to this. I'd love
             | to have it back, particularly if the contents could be
             | curated (eg "show me a random link which has been featured
             | on the front page of HN or lobste.rs in the last month")
        
               | sanderjd wrote:
               | Yes, I loved that era of the web!
        
               | worldsayshi wrote:
               | If somebody can figure out a note/link app that becomes
               | as easy to manage when you're adding your first note as
               | when you're adding your thousandth note then such
               | services will stop dying out.
        
             | krazydad wrote:
             | delicio.us was pretty great in it's day
        
               | sanderjd wrote:
               | Yes! One of the other comments got to the crux of this:
               | nobody ever figured out a sustainable business model for
               | this. I think it's a shame.
        
             | ghaff wrote:
             | Folksonomies was one of the terms used back in the day when
             | delicio.us was one of the current hotnesses. I still use
             | pinboard and it's handy. But, like RSS, this sort of thing
             | mostly appeals to researchers/analysts/journalists/etc. The
             | average person mostly doesn't care about saving and even
             | loosely organizing a lot of information.
        
             | kcb wrote:
             | Pinterest?
        
           | strangattractor wrote:
           | Hoarding data does not have to be a negative thing
           | necessarily. Might I suggest checking out
           | https://archive.org/about/. Create an account and install the
           | browser extension.
           | 
           | https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/wayback-
           | machine/fp...
           | 
           | WARNING: archiving can be habit forming.
        
           | sogen wrote:
           | Or Google!
        
           | donkeyd wrote:
           | Friend of mine is always surprised when we discuss something
           | and 20 seconds later I send him an article I once read about
           | it. He has asked multiple times what I use to store all these
           | links. It's Google. I just use Google to find the article
           | again based on what I remember from it.
           | 
           | This doesn't always work though and can lead to a frustrating
           | half hour of searching that ends in disappointment.
        
             | frereubu wrote:
             | Even more frustrating when you can't quite remember the
             | content of the article you can't find, although you're sure
             | you found it fascinating when you read it at the time...
        
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               | Jeff_Brown wrote:
               | If I had a dollar for every topic I've read about and
               | found fascinating and can hardly describe with any more
               | detail than that ...
        
               | mnsh wrote:
               | I hate it when that happens, more often that not i
               | remember the visuals of the site, then i try to find it
               | in my browser history like a sucker.
               | 
               | I have yet to find a solution for this.
               | 
               | One solution is I screenshot all the sites i visit,
               | extract their colors, and create a searchable index. Nice
               | side project idea I guess.
        
             | klibertp wrote:
             | > This doesn't always work
             | 
             | The problem is with when it doesn't work: when it's the
             | least convenient and the most irritating. For popular
             | content it doesn't matter if you forget a precise word used
             | there, you'll get to it soon enough. But for specific,
             | niche content - which is the most valuable to me most of
             | the time - even if you get all the keywords right you might
             | not find what you're looking for on Google. The reasons
             | range from the keywords being too generic to the site being
             | no longer online and it's really frustrating when it
             | happens.
             | 
             | OneTab and bookmarks are not an answer because they don't
             | save the content. I tried Joplin + Web Clipper which does,
             | but it works on a single-tab basis, and when I have 200
             | tabs open sending them all to Joplin manually takes ages...
             | and then Joplin slows down to a crawl when you're done.
        
             | therealdrag0 wrote:
             | I have experienced that for sure.
             | 
             | Reminds me though I have also experienced "I swear there is
             | a word that sounds like "bla" that means xyz" and spend 30+
             | min trying to find it in dictionaries and it just doesn't
             | exist. Funny how the mind works.
        
               | kmote00 wrote:
               | I've used this website for years, for just that purpose.
               | Can't believe it's still up, actually.
               | 
               | https://chir.ag/projects/tip-of-my-tongue/
        
         | Ghoyome wrote:
         | Windows > Tabs every single time. What helped me most was a
         | good window manager:
         | 
         | * A single floating window acting as an opener*
         | 
         | * windows are always arranged in the case of tiling wms.
         | 
         | * In the case of Firefox user.css can help u remove the tab bar
         | entirely. And opening in windows rather than tabs can be
         | configured.
         | 
         | * I built my own window fuzzy searcher for finding windows.
         | 
         | The effect is compulsory need to close windows asap but keep a
         | couple of windows forever that are actually for doing work. In
         | my case :
         | 
         | * newsboat > firefox. * Cmus > firefox. * Aerc > firefox. *
         | Irssi > firefox.
         | 
         | The list goes on and on.
         | 
         | The benefit is this: every job has it's own window.
         | 
         | Note that still it is 100% the case that when not in
         | "production/building" mode the default is consuming. This setup
         | merely helps heighten awareness to the fact.
         | 
         | Hope it helps!
         | 
         | * lf, ranger, nnn are all good choices.
        
           | Havelock wrote:
           | I do the same, but right now I just keep tabmanager.io on my
           | right screen to show a grid of all my windows. Some which I
           | save for later, e.g. switching between projects.
        
         | conceptualspace wrote:
         | to help manage this i created a "speed dial" extension and use
         | it basically as a visual bookmark manager. the advantage to
         | tabs in a list is that they are easy to reference visually, and
         | like any bookmark can be sorted and arranged into folders. for
         | example i have one for technical references, various research
         | topics, etc that i plan to come back to. and its easy to pop
         | one off the list to maintain them. check it out if youre
         | curious, its open source!
         | 
         | https://github.com/conceptualspace/yet-another-speed-dial
        
         | soulofmischief wrote:
         | 700 open tabs... Try 7000.... I have tabs all the way back from
         | 2014 open right now on one of my firefox instances (probably
         | have ~15 Firefox windows open across devices rn) which I have
         | migrated between multiple machines along with my user profile,
         | and I'm telling you I'm gonna get to them any day now.
        
           | switchbak wrote:
           | I think the zero inbox folks would have a heart attack.
           | Impressive you can maintain the tab state that long!
           | 
           | I usually have max 100 open, but I reboot all the time (for
           | power mgmt reasons) and use OneTab so that seems to solve my
           | hoarding tendencies. That and keeping searchable local notes
           | / using history / bookmarking the really good ones that I'll
           | also never read.
        
             | pbhjpbhj wrote:
             | I keep zero inbox at work as much as I can and have a
             | couple of hundred tabs open on various desktops (91 tabs on
             | this mobile alone; far more on desktop).
             | 
             | To me they're just different organisational methods that
             | work well in different contexts.
        
           | alx__ wrote:
           | > and I'm telling you I'm gonna get to them any day now
           | 
           | I feel this deeply
           | 
           | The compromise I found was just to dump them into my
           | bookmarking service. If I really _really_ need to find that
           | thing again, it 's saved somewhere. 99% of the time it's just
           | digital ephemera and I try to let it go and close the tab.
        
           | comboy wrote:
           | Very impressive.
           | 
           | I think it could be solved better browsers history. One idea
           | - star pages - not adding to favorites, just marking them so
           | that you could browse history of those separately. It could
           | also show list of the latest stars in the new tab window for
           | example.
           | 
           | Currently bookmarks, in firefox at least, as far as I can
           | tell, cannot be even browsed by date.
        
           | Luc wrote:
           | I have 272x tabs open, 170x in my main window. I have been
           | using Tab Session Manager to save and then close windows. Try
           | it, you can always restore the window later.
           | 
           | (the x in the numbers is because the display overflows haha)
        
             | aborsy wrote:
             | How much ram does that take? I find Firefox problematic
             | after around 10 tabs.
        
               | kevin_thibedeau wrote:
               | Firefox doesn't load inactive tabs after a restart.
               | They're just low overhead database entries.
        
               | Luc wrote:
               | Don't know, not enough to cause trouble on my 16GB Mac
               | Mini m1, with 10 other apps open as well.
        
       | jrm4 wrote:
       | FWIW. You'll likely never _stop_ doing this, so the best thing is
       | to think about modifying your process and goals. Things I 've
       | discovered about this that work for me.
       | 
       | - Broadly, try to enjoy deleting things; take some pride and
       | pleasure in the fact that you're "cleaning," and have faith that
       | if it's important, it'll stick around or come back.
       | 
       | - Folders/Hierarchies mostly suck. Tags are also overrated. Lists
       | and links are mostly the way to go. The hyperlink is probably the
       | most underrated advancement in our lifetime.
       | 
       | - If you _must_ do folders, go by form, NOT topic or area, you
       | 'll get bogged down in "which bucket does this go in."
       | 
       | - Consider the end goal, which is something easy and elegant and
       | enjoyable to peruse again. One way to look at it might be, if I
       | got bonked on the head, or if a stranger looked at this, would
       | they find it useful?
        
       | jbms wrote:
       | Writing things down to remember them, you feel like you've dealt
       | with it. Which can be a great help since you can empty your brain
       | of distractions that pop up and do so in a way you feel you've
       | not just forgotten something. And reread later you'll realise how
       | little was really important outside the moment it came up.
       | 
       | But if you place an artificial burden on yourself to follow up on
       | everything that might be interesting, then that's probably
       | overwhelming and shows a lack of prioritisation. That might be
       | due to a lack of a system to prioritise, or it might be a lack of
       | goals. Asking why you do it might feel you work backwards towards
       | the goal - is it an ambiguous sense of professional development,
       | or is it simply an enjoyment of pursuing novelty that means you
       | keep turning up things that you feel you should come back to, but
       | because novelty is the goal you never do. These might miss the
       | mark with you, but they explain for me a lot about why I do the
       | same things.
        
       | conceptualspace wrote:
       | to offer an opposing view: libraries are cool. i frequently
       | reference and revisit links i have saved, and on a rainy day a
       | quick browse of them often inspires a new project or advances
       | some existing work. i don't know what i would gain by blowing
       | that all away. naturally links that are infrequently used settle
       | to the bottom of the list and die anyway.
       | 
       | i do manage my bookmarks visually, which i have found
       | tremendously helpful since i first saw this functionality in
       | opera years ago. its sort of like having album art.
       | 
       | so here is a shameless plug for my open source and cross browser
       | implementation, yet another speed dial:
       | 
       | https://github.com/conceptualspace/yet-another-speed-dial
        
       | dynamic_sausage wrote:
       | Another approach that does not show up in comments here is to use
       | a reference manager, such as _Zotero_. It integrates nicely with
       | browsers, so that saving webpages or pdfs is only one click away.
       | Data is stored locally, so if a resource goes offline, you will
       | still have access to it. And it has full-text indexing and
       | search, so you can lookup terms from pages that you previously
       | stored, even if you don 't remember the metadata.
        
       | tenebrisalietum wrote:
       | If I like something online, or potentially might like it, I will
       | tend towards saving it if possible, because it might disappear.
       | It's that simple for me.
        
       | Simran-B wrote:
       | I don't know about you, but my mobile browser hasn't display the
       | number of open tabs in years because it displays :D (a smiley) if
       | you exceed 99 tabs.
       | 
       | Half of these tabs are work-related, often to-do items, and the
       | other half is things I have yet to read or that I don't want to
       | forget about but was too lazy to create a bookmark. (FWIW, there
       | is no way to store all tabs as bookmarks, unlike in the desktop
       | version of the browser.)
       | 
       | One time, after a crash or accidentally closing all tabs and then
       | restoring them, a toast message showed the tab count and it was
       | around 750 back then. That was 2-3 years ago and I have left more
       | tabs open since then than closed. I'm definitely a hoarder.
        
         | lostlogin wrote:
         | This makes me anxious. Aren't you afraid of data loss?
         | 
         | It sounds like you don't have many problems. I put this in the
         | same mental category as a pc without a clipboard history
         | manager.
        
           | Simran-B wrote:
           | I sometimes check and close dozens of the old tabs because it
           | turns out that my interests have shifted or that they lost
           | their relevance otherwise. So it wouldn't be much of a loss.
           | Most of the information I could still find again, given that
           | I remember the right keywords.
           | 
           | I grew up with an OS clipboard that can hold exactly one item
           | and can perfectly live without a clipboard manager. I guess
           | it's mostly habits?
        
         | coffeeblack wrote:
         | Wouldn't call it hoarding though. It's more like leaving
         | mountains of documents and papers on your desk.
        
           | Simran-B wrote:
           | I do have such mountains, too, plus a random collection of
           | items that keep growing on my desk. Maybe I'm an
           | "unorganizer"?
        
       | reil_convnet wrote:
       | Same with me. I even go ahead and save articles as PDF and come
       | back to about 1% of these PDFs when I read later. The other 99%
       | are never touched.
       | 
       | Pretty sure this is related to ADHD. Its as if collecting
       | information creates the big picture view the mind finds it hard
       | to develop reading just one source.
       | 
       | I actually plan to take a week off and do nothing but quick read
       | PDFs related to each relevant topic every year. That's my
       | resolution for 2023.
        
       | khaledh wrote:
       | We're in the age of what I call "information obesity". We have
       | devices in our hands that gives us access to all sorts of
       | information, and we have little will power to moderate ourselves.
       | It's like taking the fridge with you everywhere and opening it
       | every few moments to eat whatever is inside, except this fridge
       | is small enough to put in your pocket, and there's a constant
       | supply of food in it. The natural result is information obesity.
       | 
       | I don't have a solution for this problem. When it's that easy to
       | consume, will power alone is not sufficient. And unlike physical
       | obesity, information obesity is not visible; it's in the brain.
       | So it's hard to detect, let alone fix.
        
       | dbodin11 wrote:
       | I'm the same! I had long work commutes on public transit, so I
       | used my passive time to read and learn everyday to try and grow
       | 1% each day.
       | 
       | I used GMail drafts body to save links and the subject as
       | searchable tags. I saved thousands of entries this way before I
       | noticed two things: 1.) I'm actually interested in only a few
       | parts of each link and want an easy way to return to them in the
       | future, and 2.) I wish I could see the parts of links other
       | dedicated readers found useful which would both help discover
       | quality resources and save time with highlights acting as a
       | preview or summary. So I actually built a social annotation web
       | overlay that saves to a web app that's both an aggregator and
       | social network: https://www.kontxt.io/.
       | 
       | I publicly share most of what I read and highlight on my profile
       | https://www.kontxt.io/profiles/d.
       | 
       | Hacker News is one of my seed sites I visit multiple times a day,
       | so I created a group for myself and other HN readers to see
       | people's highlights of links on HN:
       | https://www.kontxt.io/groups/23423/documents. Feel free to join
       | and share your highlights, or just quickly view all the best
       | parts of the links on HN highlighted by others.
       | 
       | It would bring me no greater joy than to see the hundreds of
       | thousands of lines of code I've developed over six years be used
       | to unite avid readers on HN and fellow information addicts to
       | learn and grow together as a community. Stay curious--and keep
       | reading!
        
       | seydor wrote:
       | I dont call it FOMO or ADHD. Have you tried sitting in a quiet
       | room? It's very unsettling, the need for information is
       | universal, and probably 'settling'. That s why (social) media are
       | so addictive.
       | 
       | I believe most people are not hoarding information however, but
       | they are looking into the information for the next thing to do.
       | 
       | AI will change that, it will tell us directly what to do. I can't
       | wait
        
       | pperusse wrote:
       | I hoard the information I have actually read (sometimes even
       | stuff I did not read thoroughly) into my own, personal,
       | searchable version of the internet, so that I can easily refer
       | back to it, retrieve an old article and share it.
       | 
       | To do that I use a paying account of pinboard.in
        
       | anotheraccount9 wrote:
       | I hoard data. I've been using the Johnny Decimal system with the
       | Dewey Decimal classes for the most part (100'000+ books and
       | documents selectively saved on all subjects). I also have a more
       | dynamic sections with articles, medias, and projects. These don't
       | include libgen or similar collections. I use Recoll to index and
       | search (https://www.lesbonscomptes.com/recoll/pages/index-
       | recoll.htm...).
       | 
       | A few things I've noticed over the years: 1. I obviously don't
       | read all of that stuff, but it's very satisfying to find useful
       | information from an obscure book when looking for something.
       | 
       | 2. I cannot find anymore online some of the documents and videos
       | I've saved. So I think that's a win to have them locally, as long
       | as what I'm keeping is potentially useful.
       | 
       | 3. To find info, nothing works perfectly. That's why I'm making
       | an effort to use descriptive and structured folders, good
       | filenames (often followed by the original filename), and
       | sometimes an additional text file as meta for context. Still, my
       | bookmarks are a mess.
        
       | s-video wrote:
       | I think you if you have a particular goal with using the computer
       | it gets easier to avoid hoarding. I'm trying to get better at
       | writing code that's easy to read and change, which is admittedly
       | too vague but it can still help me be real with myself and close
       | tabs that don't have anything to do with it.
       | 
       | For example, here's two tabs I opened recently:
       | 
       | A Neat XOR Trick: https://www.mattkeeter.com/blog/2022-12-10-xor/
       | 
       | Code Only Says What it Does:
       | https://brooker.co.za/blog/2020/06/23/code
       | 
       | So that first one is about solving an advent of code problem
       | cleverly. That second one makes some nice points about how code
       | doesn't necessarily capture your intent or the reasons you wrote
       | what you did. So if I had both of those open in my browser or in
       | some queue for unread links, and I wanted to cut down, I'd delete
       | the first one.
       | 
       | I also find it helpful to ask if a link has any information that
       | isn't already covered by some other resource in more depth. So if
       | my goal was to learn more about compilers I might be tempted to
       | save the blog post OP links to about writing a brainfuck compiler
       | in Go with LLVM but there's already resources like Crafting
       | Interpreters out there, so I'd probably only give that blog post
       | a skim and not bother saving the link. (But if it was my goal to
       | specifically write a brainfuck compiler, or write a compiler in
       | Go, or write a compiler that uses LLVM, or some combination, I'd
       | be more likely to save that particular post.)
        
         | masklinn wrote:
         | > So that first one is about solving an advent of code problem
         | cleverly.
         | 
         | Ah but it's not just about that, it's also about figuring out
         | what problems can be fit into bit twiddling, knowledge about
         | bitwise operation (especially that xor is self-reversing so it
         | handles set/unset as well as pairs), and the ability to reduce
         | effective complexity.
         | 
         | I agree it's not useful if you're currently on a quest
         | 
         | > to get better at writing code that's easy to read and change
         | 
         | but thinking of it as "solving an advent of code problem
         | cleverly" misses most of the information.
        
       | JustSomeNobody wrote:
       | I do similar to this when I am learning something new. Case in
       | point, I'm learning Go. Instead of writing ugly code and learning
       | from that, I read and read and read trying to absorb how to write
       | "idiomatic" Go.
       | 
       | Eventually, I stop. So, with Go, I'll eventually stop, write bad,
       | non-idiomatic code while I'm learning, then I'll eventually write
       | better code.
       | 
       | Not sure why I do this, nobody is going to see the crappy learner
       | projects. I don't put that on github or anything.
        
       | aaronbieber wrote:
       | There is a ton of _practical_ stuff written in this general area
       | if you search for  "mind mapping" or "zettelkasten" (links
       | below).
       | 
       | The biggest thing I've taken away from all of my reading and
       | experimentation in this (and being a bit of an information
       | hoarder myself) is that the link itself, or the article itself,
       | is not information, it's "data."
       | 
       | There is value to the data, and if you want to record it that's
       | fine. I use tags (hashtags in Logseq) to classify data so at
       | least it's in some type of taxonomy, but Logseq full-text search
       | is also pretty good so as long as you have words around the URLs
       | that you'd be likely to search for you're good.
       | 
       |  _Information_ is what you derive from the data. It 's your
       | summary, or paraphrasing of the core point(s), or connections you
       | make between a thing and some other thing you previously
       | recorded.
       | 
       | Tools like Logseq and Obsidian exist to allow you to easily
       | create those connections, and that's very much based on the
       | zettelkasten method, though amplified by what the technology now
       | allows, which is more complex and nuanced.
       | 
       | Don't hoard URLs and headlines. Hoard your thoughts about them,
       | what you think is important about them, what you saw that related
       | to another thing you saw. _That_ is information.
       | 
       | https://zettelkasten.de/introduction/
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zettelkasten
       | 
       | https://logseq.com/
       | 
       | https://obsidian.md/
        
         | safety1st wrote:
         | Came to say this as a light user of Obsidian. I don't think
         | "hoarding" information is a bad habit. These are potentially
         | bad habits:
         | 
         | A) Allowing yourself to be distracted by useless information
         | 
         | B) Under-organizing (or over-organizing) the information you
         | collect
         | 
         | The OP may over-collect pieces of information that aren't
         | important (URLs of random things that are novel) and may not
         | spend enough time adding context to what he collects (e.g. via
         | notes in a tool like Obsidian).
         | 
         | I find the ideas behind zettelkasten very useful. Our brains
         | are not able to remember everything of value, therefore it is
         | worthwhile to invest a little energy in an external or "second
         | brain" where information is stored with some degree of
         | organization for future retrieval.
         | 
         | I have a cache of notes on all manner of subjects going back
         | about a decade. I only recently discovered Obsidian and have
         | been gradually linking those notes together, adding context
         | etc. This has had a real impact on my understanding of certain
         | topics because I've re-discovered insights and knowledge of
         | many things I had simply forgotten.
        
         | kixxauth wrote:
         | > There is a ton of practical stuff written in this general
         | area if you search for "mind mapping" or "zettelkasten" (links
         | below).
         | 
         | I think sometimes we can overweight the impact of tools and
         | systems for retaining knowledge. These tools can be useful (I'm
         | working on my own home grown versions of them) and I am getting
         | better with the systems as I get more practice. But, still,
         | this is a race you can never win. As you digest more
         | information, you consume more.
         | 
         | Eventually you've got to get out there and be a maker.
        
         | PebblesRox wrote:
         | I like this distinction between raw data and processed
         | understanding; thanks for sharing your insight!
        
         | iLoveOncall wrote:
         | You didn't read the article did you?
         | 
         | He's just saying that he has too many links to go through and
         | your answer is "what if you wrote a massive note about each of
         | those links?"...
        
           | pprotas wrote:
           | That's different from how I understood his comment!
           | 
           | There is no point in hoarding links; this is just
           | "information." Information by itself is not useful; we need
           | "data" instead.
           | 
           | To turn this information into data, you could use something
           | like Zettelkasten. Instead of hoarding links to articles,
           | hoard notes about these articles and link them together.
           | 
           | Basically, stop hoarding links due to your FOMO. Actually
           | read articles that interest you and learn from them by
           | writing your thoughts.
        
             | captaincaveman wrote:
             | normally you go : data -> information -> knowledge.
             | 
             | Although the definitions are some what murky, this is the
             | generally accepted model.
             | 
             | I think what you are talking about is personal knowledge
             | management.
        
               | pprotas wrote:
               | You are right, I mixed the terms "data" and "information"
               | up
        
             | iLoveOncall wrote:
             | > I like seeing what people are working on, but there's too
             | much information and I have a small problem with that..
             | While it's manageable to read through a smaller batch of
             | 30-40 links, it's time-consuming and overwhelming when the
             | number grows to 80+ in a single week.
             | 
             | The author writes his problem very clearly: he doesn't have
             | time to go through the links.
             | 
             | Suggesting that he not only goes through the links but also
             | writes a Zettelkasten note about it is simply ridiculous.
             | 
             | I'm not saying that the original comment is wrong, just
             | that it's completely off topic and presents something as a
             | solution when it's actually just a bigger problem.
        
               | pprotas wrote:
               | The autor mentions that they are spending a huge amount
               | of time on hoarding links. This is a waste of time. They
               | should stop doing this, instead spend that time on
               | reading a few articles and writing notes.
        
               | wahnfrieden wrote:
               | Why should they start spending time on writing notes on
               | links, even if it requires looking at less links to make
               | the time for it? It's really not obvious that writing
               | notes habitually is good advice or a healthier use of
               | time
        
           | guntherhermann wrote:
           | Yo, be kinder. Don't accuse people of x, y or z. It's
           | unnecessary. Chill out, and if you're in a bad mood, don't
           | post inflammatory comments on the internet. Peace.
        
       | kixxauth wrote:
       | I've been collecting nerdy tech information on and off for 30
       | years. I say "on and off" because it seems to come in waves. It
       | happens between spans of time when I'm building something
       | important or profitable (not necessarily related).
       | 
       | Examples:
       | 
       | In 2004 I built my own web crawler and RSS feed reader in PHP in
       | an attempt to build my way out of the information problem. I
       | learned that tools do not help with this problem, but it did lead
       | to a good software development job where I was able to put what I
       | learned to use.
       | 
       | In 2006 - 2007 I went down a deep rabbit hole with the
       | possibility of server side JavaScript. That led to participating
       | in the development of the Node.js runtime, CommonJS and Promise
       | specifications, and a career doing some pretty cool stuff with
       | JavaScript.
       | 
       | In 2014 - 2016 I went down a rabbit hole on video streaming which
       | led me through a startup (which failed) and then a job at a major
       | consumer streaming platform (which has been wildly successful). I
       | got to build some state of the art technology because I had
       | remembered and acted on some of that information I was hoarding.
       | 
       | Now I feel like I've missed out on information hoarding while
       | I've been building cool stuff in my dream job. I don't regret my
       | time away from the information hurricane, but I am having fun
       | getting back into it to see what comes up next (it is NOT AI or
       | Web3 ;-) )
       | 
       | For everything, there is a season.
        
         | ZhangSWEFAANG wrote:
         | Instead of "major consumer streaming platform", you can just
         | say Disney. You're not that important or successful. There's no
         | need to humblebrag.
        
           | nop_slide wrote:
           | Instead of naming yourself ZhangSWEFAANG why aren't you just
           | Zhangdev? Being at FAANG doesn't make you more important or
           | successful.
        
         | paganel wrote:
         | > In 2004 I built my own web crawler and RSS feed reader in PHP
         | in an attempt to build my way out of the information problem.
         | 
         | I've built and actively maintained a Django- and Solr-based
         | personal project to store all my info about the DVDs that I was
         | hording around 2007-2010, it also involved crawling IMDB. Did
         | the same with the anime shows I was also hording, in this
         | instance I was crawling animenewsnetwork.com.
         | 
         | After a very long hiatus I feel that I should do the same with
         | the physical books hording that has gotten over me since the
         | pandemic started (this time using Elasticsearch instead of
         | Solr), after all categorising books is from where facet-search
         | libraries like Solr first got their hints.
        
           | kixxauth wrote:
           | Looking through the comments on this post, it's no surprise
           | that many HN readers are doing the same. A self selected
           | audience, I guess ;-)
           | 
           | Still, it has been fun, and rewarding. I don't feel like
           | building these things is a waste of time, seriously.
        
       | ctvo wrote:
       | Being curious isn't a bad thing. The more important question is
       | why do you think it's a negative? Who cares if you skimmed it,
       | nodded along, and moved on? It's OK to never revisit them.
       | Getting exposure to what's possible and what others are doing is
       | in itself helpful. No need for any other value extraction.
        
       | yanyanhack wrote:
       | A software can be made, and a group of people can share the
       | screening results.
        
       | jiggawatts wrote:
       | I do the same kind of thing, and apparently, many others here do
       | too!
       | 
       | Frankly, I'm not surprised. This is not an _illness_ , it's a
       | common trait of polymaths and intelligent people to be curious
       | about _everything_ , even things that appear to be irrelevant to
       | their daily life.
       | 
       | There's a great story about how Bill Gates asked his secretary to
       | buy random magazines and journals, and he'd flip through one
       | every day. Print-era Reddit, as it were. He read one about
       | _sowing machines_ and realised the software for the newfangled
       | computer-controlled ones was terrible, and for many years
       | basically all sowing machines ended up with Windows as their OS!
       | 
       | Another similar story is how Apple devices have nice typography
       | because Steve Jobs randomly took a calligraphy class.
       | 
       | I shock people at work semi regularly by pulling random little
       | things out of the back of my brain where I filed them away "just
       | in case". Sometimes, the "in case" turns up!
       | 
       | Something I've noticed about IT these days is that it's becoming
       | less about having some sort of raw talent, and more about simply
       | knowing what tools, SDKs, and APIs are out there, written by
       | other people with talent. In the past, you had to be wizard, now
       | you just have to _know about_ wizards.
        
         | jonwinstanley wrote:
         | So basically knowing that those "awesome" lists on github exist
        
           | tomjakubowski wrote:
           | yes, and a good filter to detect the stuff that's not any
           | good. something which experience is good for
        
         | roxymusic1973 wrote:
         | > for many years basically all sowing machines ended up with
         | Windows as their OS
         | 
         | Presumably this also helped Microsoft pivot into reaping
         | machines.
        
           | pnutjam wrote:
           | of course, you reap what you sew.
        
         | boilerupnc wrote:
         | ^^^THIS. I've always felt that my greatest superpower was the
         | gift to search/find information fast. This allows me to both
         | discover a wide range of info and also go hunting for targetted
         | info when the situation dictates a more narrow scope. Pre-fetch
         | provides the quickest time-to-value. With a near infinite cache
         | to fill, it only makes sense to continually feed a steady diet
         | of information to satisfy relentless curiosity. Bookmarking,
         | re-reading/re-visiting past info, writing and sharing info
         | tidbits of random info, etc ... all help to lock-in what I'm
         | aware of and also provide confidence to go hunting and
         | rediscover a known nugget when a particular
         | situation/conversation could benefit.
         | 
         | TL;DR: Awareness comes in two forms: quick immediate recall and
         | fuzzy vague confidence of related material. To expand breadth
         | and depth of both forms, it's beneficial to hunt information
         | efficiently.
        
       | shenbomo wrote:
       | https://zettelkasten.de/posts/collectors-fallacy/
        
       | hdaz0017 wrote:
       | I had not looked at total URLs before but these the figures -
       | started around July 2006 on this process but there were others
       | before this.
       | 
       | Indexed Articles - 24,613
       | 
       | Line Count - 9,594,745
       | 
       | Total URLs - 260,306
       | 
       | lol your not alone :)
        
       | karol wrote:
       | Set time aside when you are allowed to do it. In other times
       | block the offending sites completely.
       | 
       | Ask yourself a question - is what I am doing right not
       | benefitting me in a way a walk/exercise/spending time with
       | family/doing practical coding/starting a business/insert your
       | favourite would? If now, stop and move on.
       | 
       | Why it's not easy? Because it's a habit which has its own trigger
       | (sitting at a computer). Unfortunately as a developer you cannot
       | get rid of the trigger. From own perspective - rearranging the
       | work space or changing helps for a while and then slowly you fall
       | back to old habits, so I wouldn't say it's a permanent solution.
        
       | jasmeet217 wrote:
       | Bookmarking this thread to read later!
        
       | 99failures wrote:
       | I used to collect links and abstracts of things that were of
       | interest to me on a customized WordPress install, visible to the
       | public.
       | 
       | And I did such a good job that my "site" was very rich. The
       | problem was not storage, so to speak, the problem was, and still
       | is, recollection.
       | 
       | I had no need or I didn't remember >95% of the things I stored,
       | and for that 5% that I needed or remember, I could just as easily
       | find them using google.
       | 
       | So I abandoned the practice and now google is my new bookmark
       | site.
        
       | diego898 wrote:
       | In-line with this discussion, over 80% of my open tabs are HN
       | links.
       | 
       | I'd like to be able to easily: 1. Archive the link the HN post is
       | pointing to 2. Archive the HN comments
       | 
       | Does anyone know of an easy automated way to archive both the HN
       | post (comments) and target link (arbitrary link)?
       | 
       | I have a dream of then running textual analysis on this to make
       | it all easily searchable by topic like "machine learning"
        
         | goplayoutside wrote:
         | raindrop.io has some features that may help with that.
        
       | didgetmaster wrote:
       | My desk (and monitor) are covered with post-it notes and notepads
       | where I jot down things I mean to go back to (sometimes I do,
       | sometimes I don't). I also have tabs and files where I cut and
       | paste links into for future reference.
       | 
       | If only there were more hours in each day...
        
       | Moissanite wrote:
       | This resonates. I've managed to control this behaviour a bit (or
       | at least lessen the impact on my life) by just reconciling that
       | there are link dumps for each specific purpose:
       | 
       | - Link to an interesting software project? Star it on GitHub then
       | delete the link. If I am so inclined in the future, I can just
       | trawl through my starred repos.
       | 
       | - Low-value article which is too long to read right now? Add to
       | Pocket, then periodically read-and-purge. The hard part is giving
       | myself permission to delete articles which seem "timeless", but I
       | don't stress over it - it's not like Pocket is going anywhere
       | (and if it does, problem solved!)
       | 
       | - Genuinely useful information? Add to Obsidian - either with
       | links to other key information I already have in there, or as the
       | root of a new bundle of nodes.
       | 
       | The main blocker to keeping on top of these organization schemes
       | is the fact that I often discover the links while on my phone.
       | The only solution I've found is a weekly purge of Firefox tabs
       | onto a laptop, where the links can be sorted properly.
        
         | orobinson wrote:
         | Goodreads and its "Want to read" shelf is good for this
         | approach with books. I just add any book I see someone
         | recommending to that list then when I need a new book to read I
         | can pick from there. The ratings on there are handy for sanity
         | checking if a book is worth your time. I've found anything with
         | a score of 4.0 or above is usually worth a read.
        
         | ciupicri wrote:
         | Why star a project on GitHub when you can just bookmark it
         | including with some tags? What if the project is hosted
         | somewhere else, say GitLab?
        
         | CITIZENDOT wrote:
         | Except the obsidian part, I do the same.
        
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       | marze wrote:
       | Of course the first step is admitting you have a problem. A
       | problem many other people share these days...
       | 
       | Ideas: perhaps keep a daily written log and make a written
       | summary of what you have learned at the end of each day. And,
       | make written goals regarding the process, to guide it. I like
       | exporting interesting web pages as a .pdf into a single unsorted
       | directory, for possible use and organization at some future time,
       | for things that aren't directly related to primary tasks.
       | 
       | Best idea is probably to solicit ideas and try out the most
       | promising until you find a good solution, but in an organized
       | way, with periodic evaluation and written reports.
        
       | xtiansimon wrote:
       | > "I spend a huge amount of time collecting a never-ending stream
       | of links, notes, and thoughts, only to never actually go back and
       | read them again."
       | 
       | Curious. Why is this a 'bad thing'? People waste hours on video
       | games. People plant things in the ground in spring only to dig
       | them up in fall. What else would you be doing with _your free
       | time_ that's a better use?
        
       | lacoolj wrote:
       | i have over 500 tabs open in my two browsers (700 if i open my
       | other profile)
       | 
       | bookmarks just dont cut it these days
        
       | guntherhermann wrote:
       | Reddit and Twitter are mostly for tech-focused nerds? Hahahaha,
       | ah. Thanks for the laugh. Reddit and Twitter are outrage
       | machines. I'm sure there are some good subreddits out there but
       | all of the ones I used to be a part of got taken over by mods who
       | care far too much about the Current Thing To Get Upset About
       | (take your pick). If there are any recommendations for good subs
       | I'm all ears. Can't convince me about Twitter though, it's an
       | absolute cesspit and it has been for a long time.
       | 
       | For information hoarding I use logseq
       | (https://github.com/logseq/logseq) + syncthing
       | (https://syncthing.net/). I've been doing it for a few months now
       | and it's quite a nice workflow.
        
         | TheFragenTaken wrote:
         | I think your take on Reddit is maybe misplaced. "Outrage
         | machines" stem from algorithmic feeds that push that. Reddit
         | pushes your own subreddits, and the popular ones are quite
         | heavily moderated. Though I would agree that constant memes
         | aren't terribly useful.
         | 
         | On the other hand, Twitter push tweets for users I don't
         | follow, never engaged with, and tweet content I am not remotely
         | interested in. Generally I find Twitter promotes personal
         | attacks in a whole different way from Reddit, because you
         | follow people, not topics.
        
           | guntherhermann wrote:
           | > I'm sure there are some good subreddits out there but all
           | of the ones I used to be a part of got taken over by mods who
           | care far too much about the Current Thing To Get Upset About
           | (take your pick). If there are any recommendations for good
           | subs I'm all ears.
           | 
           | It's not misplaced, it's my personal experience. It might
           | differ from your own, but it doesn't make it wrong.
           | 
           | Got any recommendations? /r/$language isn't as good as the
           | $language IRC channels. The rest of the popular "tech" ones
           | (space, futurism, tech) have exactly the issue I outlined
           | above (calling those subreddits 'outrage machines' is a
           | reach, but they _are_ shit, and not really for 'tech' people.
           | Probably because they're popular, maybe because I'm too
           | elitest?).
        
       | Sakos wrote:
       | I'm dealing with the same issue actively. My latest attempt
       | involves the article https://zettelkasten.de/posts/knowledge-
       | cycle-efficiently-or...
       | 
       | I have a gazillion tabs open, and I try to work through my tabs
       | once a day to see what I can delete without losing information I
       | want to keep and what I think is valuable enough to add to my
       | notes in some way.
       | 
       | I'll look for a note that already covers the idea and add the URL
       | and a quick summary. If a note doesn't exist, I'll add the core
       | idea that interested me about it as a new note with the idea(s)
       | summarized in my own words (maybe 1-3 sentences), then a
       | reference in that note to the URL. I also try to summarize the
       | link from memory instead of reading through it again. I'll only
       | check the link's contents if I'm having trouble writing anything.
       | If I'm feeling particularly productive, I might add any quotes or
       | particular passages I remember as well (paraphrased, of course, I
       | don't have an eidetic memory).
       | 
       | I've made a huge dent in my open tabs so far and I'm fairly happy
       | with my progress in the past week.
       | 
       | edit: I briefly saw another comment about using OneTab (sorry, I
       | haven't had the time to read any of the other comments yet) and
       | my current attempt is partly based on how unhappy I am with
       | OneTab. The addon itself is brilliant, but I've realized that
       | I'll just save all the open tabs and then ... well, that's it.
       | They're basically bookmarks again and it's like an information
       | blackhole for me.
       | 
       | edit2: I'm currently using Obsidian.md. Not bothering with
       | directories at the moment, because I haven't yet decided how to
       | organize my notes.
        
         | fluential wrote:
         | For deep linking knowledge and notes I love to use Remnote
         | (found here on HN)
        
         | ranger47 wrote:
         | Obsidian is great. I tend to use it for TTRPG stuff since it's
         | prettt portable.
         | 
         | For actual notes, or detailed lists, I like Featherwiki.
         | 
         | https://feather.wiki/
        
           | justin_oaks wrote:
           | Thanks for linking Featherwiki. I've used Tiddlywiki, and
           | it's good to see other entries in this space (wikis as a
           | single HTML file).
           | 
           | Featherwiki's 55KB size is quite small compared to
           | Tiddlywiki's 2MB. That said, the size difference alone may
           | not be sufficient reason to switch away from Tiddlywiki.
        
       | mclightning wrote:
       | If you enjoy it, keep doing it.
       | 
       | If you don't enjoy it, seek solutions. I wrote this as a
       | secondary alternative because your article is not seeking any
       | solution but rather stating a fact and asking the resolution on
       | why you may be doing this. Then it goes circular.
       | 
       | I have developed some solutions, personal traits to deal with
       | this in my own personal life.
       | 
       | Learn to ignore useless facts, information and opinion pieces.
       | 
       | Learn to ignore other people's pet peeves. Let them handle it.
       | 
       | Learn to prioritise the information you can act upon.
       | 
       | Learn to stop it all and put the information to action.
        
       | Bondi_Blue wrote:
       | I have the same problem. I think it helps to slot in a dedicated
       | amount of time, on a weekly basis or something, to catch up and
       | aggregate. On the other 6 days of the week, I'm trying to use
       | that same time slot to actually read and consume what I've set
       | aside.
        
       | hamsterbase wrote:
       | To solve this problem, I have developed a local-first read-it-
       | later software specifically for this purpose.
       | 
       | I used the singlefile plugin to save thousands of articles in my
       | bookmarks as offline html and then imported them into
       | hamsterbase. Now I only have Twitter, HN, GitHub and other
       | popular sites in my bookmarks.
       | 
       | Because the data is all local, I will have the feeling that I
       | really own them. I don't think I'll have time to read them in the
       | future, so maybe I can get chatgpt to do it for me.
       | 
       | The software is currently completely free and all data is local,
       | so if you are interested, give it a try.
       | 
       | https://hamsterbase.com
       | 
       | I have saved all the articles I am interested in so that I can
       | search for them in full when I need them. I don't have to worry
       | about losing the site because the data is local.
       | 
       | Here's how I use it
       | 
       | 1. when I come across an article of interest, I take a quick look
       | at it and save it as mhtml in cmd + s. hamsterbase will
       | automatically import and index it.
       | 
       | 2. I've designed the unread list to only show articles added
       | within 14 days, so I don't have to worry about piling up
       | thousands of unread articles, I'll read through them when I can
       | and highlight them as I read them.
       | 
       | 3. I can quickly find the previously saved pages because of the
       | support by domain, date added, whether they have comments or not,
       | and whether they are liked or not.
       | 
       | 4. I've deployed a copy on my Synology and am running the desktop
       | side on my mac and pc (not released yet, still eating enough food
       | for myself). Peer-to-peer sync between the three devices
       | 
       | 5. Since I don't have the energy to develop the mobile side at
       | the moment (this is a side project), I have developed an RSS
       | interface to output the saved pages as rss so that I can read
       | them on my iPhone with my favourite rss reader.
        
         | behnamoh wrote:
         | * Windows only
        
           | hamsterbase wrote:
           | Thanks for the tip, I realised I had written the wrong thing
           | on the front page. Currently supports linux,mac,windows
           | 
           | Currently officially released
           | 
           | linux : https://hamsterbase.com/docs/install/install-with-
           | docker.htm... macos:
           | https://hamsterbase.com/docs/install/macos.html windows:
           | https://hamsterbase.com/docs/install/windows.html
           | 
           | Not yet officially released but available
           | 
           | windows desktop : https://github.com/hamsterbase/hamsterbase/
           | releases/tag/0.6.... macos arm desktop : https://github.com/h
           | amsterbase/hamsterbase/releases/tag/0.6.... macos intel
           | desktop :https://github.com/hamsterbase/hamsterbase/releases/
           | tag/0.6.... : https://hamsterbase.com/docs/install/install-
           | with-docker.htm... macos:
           | https://hamsterbase.com/docs/install/macos.html windows:
           | https://hamsterbase.com/docs/install/windows.html
           | 
           | Not yet officially released but available
           | 
           | Download from https://github.com/hamsterbase/hamsterbase/rele
           | ases/tag/0.6....
           | 
           | windows desktop ,macos arm desktop , macos intel desktop
        
         | pwillia7 wrote:
         | ooh this is a cool idea
        
         | amelius wrote:
         | Nice. But I guess it needs some AI to figure out what you want
         | to read next.
        
           | hamsterbase wrote:
           | hamsterbase offers an api with an open source sdk that could
           | perhaps be combined with openai.
           | 
           | https://hamsterbase.com/developer/
        
         | abnry wrote:
         | I am quite interested in this. I take a similar approach using
         | SingleFile and then a watchdog script to watch for SingleFile
         | downloads. But mine doesn't look as mature as yours.
         | 
         | If I have a large collection of SingleFile bookmarks can I
         | upload them to hamsterbase?
         | 
         | Another goal of mine is to make conversions to epub easy so I
         | can read on my Kindle.
        
         | vageli wrote:
         | I would be interested when you deploy the desktop app. I wonder
         | if something like a browser extension would be a good fit here
         | to offload the manual file download step.
        
           | hamsterbase wrote:
           | The desktop version is available, it's just not officially
           | released yet (for the app store), you can download it from
           | github.
           | 
           | https://github.com/hamsterbase/hamsterbase/releases/tag/0.6..
           | ..
           | 
           | hamsterbase supports singlefile. You can save web pages
           | directly with singlefile. You can see the documentation below
           | 
           | https://hamsterbase.com/docs/integrations/singlefile.html
        
       | Jayakumark wrote:
       | You are not alone, Currently have 250,000 bookmarks in Pinboard,
       | might probably be their largest hoarder :-). When i see an
       | interesting in tech, my hand automatically will press Ctrl+D. I
       | know, A lifetime wont be enough to go through them all. But i
       | cant stop it , newer AI/ML Summarizer is getting so much better
       | where my only hope is someday i can summarize them all order them
       | all by some sort of ranking and glance it.
        
       | javajosh wrote:
       | It's not a bad habit, you just haven't discovered a way to
       | integrate the information in a way that produces good output for
       | you. E.g. something like a Zettlekasten.
       | 
       | Also, its not ADHD, its preparedness. There is a fundamental
       | tension between discovery and requirement. You're going through
       | your garage and you find a cool or unusual thing. You feel
       | inspired, excited you own this treasure, and dreaming of things
       | to do with it. That is discovery. Requirement is when you want to
       | build something specific, and now you need to gather tools and
       | supplies to fit the need. This is a _significantly_ less
       | enjoyable process for most people, especially since for most
       | projects it 's usually the first (and last) time you'll execute a
       | project like that (its a power law thing). It's not all bad - its
       | because 'requirement' is so much less exciting that people pay
       | good money to entice people to do that work for them.
       | 
       | One way to cope with this asymmetry, have your cake and eat it
       | too, is to constantly discover things (which is its own reward),
       | but you can squirrel the discoveries away so that when
       | _requirement_ comes you 'll be ready for it. By its nature, this
       | strategy means you'll never use 95% of your information, but
       | you'll never know which 95%.
       | 
       | So, don't be so hard on yourself and horde away, I say!
        
         | majkinetor wrote:
         | Not sure why you got downvoted, this comment is amazing way to
         | frame this and its almost 100% how I think about it and why I
         | personally hord bunch of stuff.
         | 
         | However, there are other forms of hording that don't fit this -
         | why do I hord and organize full flac albums (adding each in the
         | musicbrainz), ebooks (calibre), resources (audio/video
         | samples).
         | 
         | And also, why do I hord this stuff: all hardware I buy, all
         | medical diagnostics and lab results, personal metrics (bp,
         | weight, etc.)...
         | 
         | Maybe its all preperedness, in fact, for future potential
         | situation. This sounds a lot like FOMO. But what is the
         | difference between FOMO and preperedness?
         | 
         | I am quite certain that I dont have ADHD, maybe a bit of OCD.
        
           | javajosh wrote:
           | _> Not sure why you got downvoted_
           | 
           | Me neither! Discovery vs requirement is a really cool idea
           | (if I do say so myself) which deserves a longer treatment.
           | Glad you like it.
        
       | willjp wrote:
       | Not alone! I do this too. I have a mediawiki instance I use to
       | keep notes on things I learn. I try to keep a rough heirarchy
       | (ex. Editors), and I use it's "what links here" to navigate from
       | a related page (ex. Vim) to get back to that list of related
       | pages.
       | 
       | It's consistent enough that if I want to start learning
       | something, I'll usually try to create that page only to find it
       | exists, and then I can start with the links (or purge them if
       | they were not useful after all).
        
       | pwillia7 wrote:
       | If you're unaware, try Chrome Reading List for an easy solution
       | (but you still have to not save 10000 links)
       | https://www.groovypost.com/howto/use-the-google-chrome-readi...
        
       | ranger47 wrote:
       | This article hits close to home, but there is one crucial
       | component missing; free time. For the most part, I'm at my laptop
       | or mobile about half of my primary work day, and take regular
       | breaks from actual work to check out HN or any other gathering of
       | techheads I follow. Here's where the data collection happens,
       | mostly, as another commenter mentioned, projects I was to try or
       | have been inspired by, skills to brush up on, etc.
       | 
       | There's this odd notion of "saving for someday" that kindles hope
       | of some rainy weekend where I suddenly have 48 hours all to
       | myself, and to focus on making again. That's what drives the data
       | collection.
        
         | HuwFulcher wrote:
         | Yes, I resonate with this a lot. It's one thing to have time to
         | capture information but a whole other thing to have the time to
         | extract the essence out of it. I still haven't figured out an
         | answer yet though.
        
       | larve wrote:
       | TL;DR: it doesn't matter how many tabs you have or how you close
       | them, the value I get out of them comes down to intellectually
       | engaging with them fully, which is exhausting and rewarding. The
       | most valuable practice I found is "generating" out of tabs, and
       | for that, sometimes just the tab title is enough. No tool is
       | going to save you.
       | 
       | I have a few modes of "consuming" these tab piles.
       | 
       | 1. doing in-depth studying
       | 
       | This is like taking 1 day to go through 1 page of a math book.
       | It's sitting down with a tutorial and actually going through it
       | and doing all the side exercises and then reflecting upon it.
       | It's slow af, but it's very rewarding, and of course I learn
       | things. Over the long term, the value of that learning
       | diminishes, sometimes very rapidly, depending on what I focused
       | on. I learned awk and R repeatedly, at times over months, and
       | it's all gone. What stays are some deeper insights that were
       | uncovered just through sheer focus. This is the "it takes a full
       | day to close a single tab" mode.
       | 
       | Of course, a tab could be a textbook that actually would take 3
       | semesters to work through, so there's a wide range in what "in-
       | depth" itself means.
       | 
       | 2. reading and annotating
       | 
       | This is where I sit down with an article (for example using
       | Reader) and read it with the intent of really engaging with it. I
       | don't just highlight interesting passages, I put myself in the
       | mindset of having a conversation with the author, of putting my
       | own ideas against theirs. This is pretty high-intensity too, and
       | when I do this over the weekend, I would put it in the "it takes
       | an hour to close a single tab" mode.
       | 
       | This is what I actually find has the most "return on time
       | reading". I have a fairly productive Zettelkasten thing going on,
       | and filing thoughts that come out of articles, along with notes,
       | is very productive, often leads to blog posts, and I have found
       | how to make highlights and quotes and crosslinking work for me.
       | 
       | The downside is that usually, for every tab closed, 80 more get
       | opened. I can reasonably process about 5-6 tabs this way during a
       | work week, maybe 10 if I'm pushing it. On holidays I would
       | average 5-6 per day, just because you get more efficient as you
       | go.
       | 
       | 3. just reading
       | 
       | This would be just reading a tab for fun. Personally, this
       | happens if I just opened a tab. I rarely go back to an old tab
       | and then just read it for fun, usually it's just more dopamine-
       | rewarding to go open a fresh tab on HN :) This is fairly fast,
       | and usually pretty transient in terms of "return on investment".
       | Sure maybe over years you get something out of it, but I consider
       | it entertainment (which is great!).
       | 
       | 4. filing links
       | 
       | This is something I need to get better at. I think there is a lot
       | of value of just looking at the title of a tab, quickly scrolling
       | through it, and then discarding it, or keeping a reference to it
       | along with a small paragraph. I never file a link without a small
       | paragraph about why I think it is important to keep it, which in
       | a way is a quick way to generate a thought, like in 2. Just the
       | fact of writing that paragraph means I probably get more "value"
       | (as in, it will help me generate my own knowledge in the future)
       | than actually reading it like in 3, because I actually "created"
       | something myself.
       | 
       | If that little paragraph is stored in a relevant location, it
       | means that the next time I want to study that topic or look
       | something up, I will find it, along with its link, and
       | immediately get context. That is actually _extremely_ valuable.
       | This filing of links is something I am not very good at, and
       | definitely want to work on more.
       | 
       | A concrete example: I stumble across the [the Fennel programming
       | language](https://fennel-lang.org). Incredibly interesting to me,
       | but also something I feel would deserve a few months if not a
       | year of attention to "really" get it. I can file it away under
       | Lisp / Lua / Programming Languages and my daily log in my
       | obsidian vault, maybe skim the website and make a little bullet
       | point list of points I find interesting, link a HN discussion.
       | This takes about 2-5 minutes per tab. It is also exhausting work,
       | if I do this for two hours, I'll be ready to just plop down in
       | front of Netflix.
       | 
       | So, is any of these better? I like all of them, and I definitely
       | had to build workflows for 1, 2, 4. I am content now knowing that
       | there is no solution, and feeling like you can process 800 links
       | a day is impossible. Instead I focus on time-boxing "quality
       | time", and just close all the tabs once I'm done, there'll be
       | plenty of high-value quality time the next day.
        
         | larve wrote:
         | Just for fun, I created the entry for Fennel Lisp by
         | "processing" the index page, to show what that is like:
         | https://publish.obsidian.md/manuel/Wiki/Programming/Fennel+L...
         | 
         | I also found that I mentioned Fennel Lisp back in june, so I
         | linked that in too. If you step through the vault, you can see
         | how I slowly moved from:
         | 
         | - pile of links
         | 
         | to
         | 
         | - pile of links with a single sentence per link
         | 
         | to
         | 
         | - full paragraph with a lot more thinking of how I relate to
         | the link.
         | 
         | The latter is really where it's at. Write down why you think
         | the link is interesting, how you found it, what made you decide
         | to write something about it, other links it evokes in you. The
         | context in which you found the link interesting is what you
         | want to capture, and what will help you get value out of it in
         | the future. The information itself is transient.
        
       | codemac wrote:
       | Two big lessons of GTD (and majorly influencing many many other
       | systems like basb, ztd, etc):
       | 
       | - DO NOT read/peruse/etc on first inspection! Just add it to a
       | list.
       | 
       | - Collecting these items is not processing them which is not
       | organization!
       | 
       | Stop beating yourself up, and start running a system. You must
       | set aside the time for the following:
       | 
       | - Collect everything into some list. Links on the web you'd like
       | to read is great for this - just get the title and the link.
       | 
       | - Process that list into what it means to you! Is it a project? A
       | task? A piece of reference material? Just fun stuff to read later
       | that you don't want to commit to? etc
       | 
       | - Organize those now processed items to where things belong.
       | Projects/tasks, into your task manager. Reference material, into
       | your reference filings. Fun stuff to read later? Just throw it on
       | a "hey, read this when you're bored later" list using something
       | like Instapaper, or evernote, or even a text file of links.
       | 
       | Now you're cooking with gas. You get to peruse all these links
       | that make you feel up to date, but you're spending maybe 5 mins
       | just collecting them into a list to read whenever you have time
       | later. "Do it tomorrow" is my mantra, and I can only be honest
       | about that if I keep lists.
       | 
       | My list is excessively long, and normally I try to comment/read
       | comment threads the day after the post is made. However I had to
       | comment that the emotions around these desires can be inspected,
       | introspected, dissected, etc... or you can change the basic
       | behavior into what you'd like - and skip some of the emotions all
       | together.
       | 
       | One of the most powerful things I learned with meditation: going
       | through the "noticing and labeling" process, eventually leading
       | to just noticing and labeling everything as "desires", and
       | watching them float through the sky. Notice, label, and it'll
       | slowly go away.
        
       | f0e4c2f7 wrote:
       | I wonder if you could feed the contents of your bookmarks into
       | chatgpt or another AI system and then interogate it about what
       | might be interesting, duplicates, or even have it suggest random
       | articles (perhaps related to browsing? Done as a browser
       | extension maybe?)
        
       | rcdwealth wrote:
       | [dead]
        
       | ZephyrBlu wrote:
       | I like to read a lot of links, tweets, articles, product
       | documentation, etc and tend to build up a backlog as well.
       | 
       | The way I solve this is twofold:
       | 
       | 1) Leaving shit and forgetting about it. If I can't make time to
       | read it, I don't care enough about it. Very effective.
       | 
       | 2) Aggressively pruning tabs. If I want to clear out my backlog,
       | I ask myself "how much do I actually want to read about this?"
       | and close the tab unless I really want to read it.
       | 
       | In the rare case I want to keep things around for a while and
       | haven't forgotten about them, I generally put them into a new
       | window then minimize it.
        
         | etrautmann wrote:
         | I like using the pocket app for this and then never feeling bad
         | about closing tabs.
        
       | alkonaut wrote:
       | I absolutely love reading articles and I spend hours clicking HN
       | links or reading things shared by people I follow on Twitter. But
       | I have zero FOMO. I don't download and organize music and video
       | out of fear they will disappear from a steaming video. I don't
       | collect "read later" bookmarks (in fact I don't use bookmarks for
       | anything, ever). I don't have a system for writing down notes or
       | thoughts.
       | 
       | So if I have an idea I either act on it now, or remember later,
       | or forget. And that's _fine_.
       | 
       | To miss a great article, fail to realize a great idea, forget
       | that great song that disappeared forever on Spotify is _fine_.
       | 
       | And I'm so thankful for feeling this. I think it's basically
       | another side of my laziness/ tendency for procrastination that
       | helps me. But I like it. I'll never be a person with an org mode
       | full of random thoughts, a list of ideas for projects or blog
       | posts, or a library of videos for watching later (or even more
       | pathologically, or things I already watched).
        
       | stewbrew wrote:
       | Just subscribe to a good weekly magazine like e.g. the economist
       | and let other do the hard work.
        
       | vicnicius wrote:
       | I'm finishing https://sendmyreads.com to help me tackle just
       | that. I figured if I get all the information I gather pulled at
       | me at a convenient time I'd be more likely to actually consume
       | it. It's been working well, but I'm afraid I'm now biased towards
       | reading it (because I built the thing) so I want to give it more
       | time to see how it goes.
       | 
       | If OP or anyone else is interested let me know and I'll let you
       | know once it's ready.
        
       | surfsvammel wrote:
       | This is interesting. I don't do this anymore, but maybe I should.
       | 
       | Usually I just trust that when I need something I'll be able to
       | find it. But nowadays Google (and searching in general) is so bad
       | that maybe I should not trust that I'll be able to find it again
       | when I need it. Maybe today it's more worth while to build a
       | library of interesting stuff, than it was a couple of years ago.
        
         | danparsonson wrote:
         | Ah this is a big part of my hoarding problem - I find something
         | useful today, tomorrow I need it and it's gone. Of course this
         | happens to 0.01% of things I find... but I don't know which
         | 0.01% it will be.
        
       | kvetching wrote:
       | This is the result of the prescription amphetamines. When people
       | stop taking amphetamines, perspective returns and you realize
       | there's a lot of noise that you don't actually care about. When
       | you're overloading your dopamine receptors with amphetamine, you
       | see potential in everything.
        
       | waynesonfire wrote:
       | For me, it's that my ambition far exceed my talent.
       | 
       | How do I deal with this? I try to stop and anchor myself in
       | proven technologies that align with _ME_ not _YOU_ or what _YOU_
       | blogged about or find interesting. This takes courage as
       | sometimes you'll find yourself off the beaten path. I see entry
       | level folks switching text editors, programming languages, tech
       | stacks, etc. They're enduring through the same thing. It's not
       | your IDE, it's not your color theme, or your background image.
       | It's not an article that you have FOMO over, or some library that
       | you haven't yet discovered. None of these will solve your
       | problems. You have to do real work. You have to anchor yourself
       | in the technology that you want to conquer and stop relying on
       | folks to hold your hand through it.
       | 
       | Stop hoarding information and start building. You may find
       | yourself off the beaten path and you may too discover that your
       | ambition far exceed your talent.
        
       | lowleveldesign wrote:
       | Information hoarding was my big problem as well. To fight it, a
       | few years ago, I stopped using any bookmark services, and I
       | started to keep a list of links in a markdown text file with a
       | limited number of tags. I split the links by month and often add
       | a short description and a tag to a saved link. All IT tags are
       | textual, but I use emojis for other link categories, such as
       | music or books. Example content:
       | 
       | ### 2022/12
       | 
       | - {musical note emoji} [Mendelssohn - Complete Piano
       | Works](https://www.amazon.pl/Complete-Piano-Works-
       | Prosseda/dp/B084D...)
       | 
       | - [Checked C](https://github.com/microsoft/checkedc) - extensions
       | to make C safer #cpp
       | 
       | - [SQLite Internals: How The World's Most Used Database
       | Works](https://www.compileralchemy.com/books/sqlite-internals/)
       | 
       | - {book emoji} [Ask HN: Best books read in
       | 2022?](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33849267) - some
       | interesting pieces here
       | 
       | ### 2022/11
       | 
       | - [The Linux Kernel Module Programming
       | Guide](https://sysprog21.github.io/lkmpg/),
       | [repo](https://github.com/sysprog21/lkmpg) #linux
       | 
       | ...
       | 
       | And so on. I know it's simplistic, but it helped me a lot to keep
       | the number of links under a reasonable limit, and it is
       | effortless to search through.
        
         | mahogany wrote:
         | This is funny, I went the other way. I used to keep text files
         | of links quite similar to this, but then after several years I
         | realized I rarely (perhaps a handful of times over years) went
         | back to them. So I started using bookmarks with tags because it
         | was much faster. I still rarely go back to bookmarks, but when
         | I do, I find there is much less friction compared to scanning a
         | text file.
        
       | mauiuku wrote:
       | I've gotten past this by using this app the records your screen
       | (and audio) and indexes all the words that show up. Data is
       | stored locally. Check it out: https://www.rewind.ai/
        
       | tunnuz wrote:
       | You're not alone, there is at least another one like you.
        
       | adaisadais wrote:
       | I too have the same problem.
       | 
       | I've always wondered "what if I simply just read them and took a
       | note / maybe linked them to a word or Google doc or something?"
       | 
       | I had a friend who did a similar activity with books. Read a
       | book, took notes on the 'highest learnings' and saved each book
       | he finished.
       | 
       | He went back and found an old book with all of his 'wisdom' and
       | realized he had totally change since he wrote those things. He
       | didn't really care about them like he thought his future self
       | might.
       | 
       | Knowledge / link hoarding is vanity.
        
         | pessimizer wrote:
         | This depends on the books that you're getting the 'highest
         | learnings' from. If you're reading a bunch of biographies and
         | self-help, you'll end up with notes that are simultaneously
         | less interesting and more grandiose than if you do the same
         | thing while reading math, science or real (non-biography/non-
         | inspirational) history and anthropology books.
         | 
         | i.e. don't record "wisdom," record information.
        
           | adaisadais wrote:
           | Haha your name is great.
           | 
           | The danger I find in information is a) there's too much and
           | b) it's already out of date.
           | 
           | Wisdom transcends time but is much harder to come by.
           | 
           | "I'm not a pessimist, I'm an optometrist" -Ricky
        
       | sodimel wrote:
       | That's funny, I just saved this link on my website that's serving
       | the unique purpose to store (and maybe share? that makes it two
       | purposes?) links I find interesting:
       | https://links.l3m.in/en/link/2840/
       | 
       | I developed this thing myself after I grew too tired of my 800+
       | bookmarks, and also after I grew too tired of my Shaarli instance
       | too. It's still in development & it's open source, you can find a
       | link on the footer.
       | 
       | One feature of this thing I use daily is that I've set the "new
       | page" url of my browser to the random url you can find in the
       | menu of the website. That way I am greeted by a cool
       | article/product/thing every time I open my browser :)
        
       | gmuslera wrote:
       | From time to time (months to years) I go back to those links
       | (usually saved in my rss reader), or at least some of the newest,
       | and try to turn some of those links into knowledge. Some may not
       | work anymore, the remaining I try to put in categories/bookmarks,
       | or give me time to read and then decide what to do with them.
       | Sometimes that read implies more work, like taking notes,
       | learning more about some discussed topics, link them somewhat
       | with other pieces of saved content.
       | 
       | The awesome lists ( https://github.com/sindresorhus/awesome and
       | related ) helped me to take off some of the burden. It is not
       | that I need to have those links, but having them somewhat
       | available when I need them, at least for a lot of
       | places/software/etc.
       | 
       | In the end, is in part some sort of external memory. Knowing how
       | to recover something interesting you found about a particular
       | topic make it useful. It implies work, not just storing but
       | refreshing/(re)organizing and putting them into your present
       | context. But either on time or volume you must put some
       | restrictions.
        
       | imjonse wrote:
       | The fact that the info is tech or science related thus relatively
       | serious, is less important than the fact that it feeds into the
       | same type of cycle as reading tabloids, collecting skins and gems
       | in mobile games or following a sports team. It may be useful in
       | the future, or being remembered and used at some point, but the
       | main purpose is producing a rush and it too is a form of escapism
       | (maybe from doing actual projects).
        
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       | allochthon wrote:
       | I have the same habit and wrote a web app to catalog the links I
       | come across:
       | 
       | https://digraph.app/
        
       | warinukraine wrote:
       | It's not "perfectionism". It's called entertainment. Some people
       | like watching desperate housewives, some people like reading
       | about compilers.
        
       | MagicMoonlight wrote:
       | I run an instance of yacy on my desktop and pump all the
       | interesting sites into that.
       | 
       | That way, 2 years from now I can remember that there was a
       | website about undulating crystal sheep enhancers and search it up
       | in my archive. It's really handy.
        
       | igtztorrero wrote:
       | Maybe I do it too.
       | 
       | I watch HN every morning ( 15 to 60 minutes)
       | 
       | I only upvote interesting articles for me.
       | 
       | If it's really good for me, I use Getpocket to save a list of
       | interested articles, tagged ( GoLang Vue Css SysAdmin DB Health
       | etc )
       | 
       | When I need to something I always look on Getpocket ( it's my
       | hard drive memory for all information HN )
       | 
       | Saludos
        
       | digitalsanctum wrote:
       | You're not alone. I have a daily routine of hitting several
       | websites with news and RSS feeds. Saved to bookmarks stored in
       | browsers, saved to Pocket, downloaded and printed to read later,
       | etc. I literally have hundreds, probably thousands of new
       | "information" coming in and while I never expect to read it all,
       | it comes in handy. As a distraction, a nurturer of endless
       | curiosity, a trick to cope with the fact that I know a very very
       | small fraction about anything.
        
       | maherbeg wrote:
       | I've been using the PARA system from Building a Second Brain by
       | Tiago Forte for all of my new notes and interest hoarding. After
       | I've read a link, I'll quickly file it away into an inbox with
       | some useful snippets on the page. When I'm bored, or have
       | additional free time, I'll summarize the highlighted points and
       | then move it into either a Project, Area, or Resource.
       | 
       | Sometimes I just read stuff and don't bother with the notes. As
       | long as I have an inkling of what the thing was, I'll be able to
       | find it later.
        
       | iamben wrote:
       | This hit home!
       | 
       | I recently cleared through thousands of bookmarks. Many of the
       | sites weren't there anymore, many of them were things I thought
       | 'would be a good read at some point' or things I thought 'were a
       | good read'. A couple of them I read during the cleanse, most were
       | impractically out of date or just not worth it/interesting
       | anymore (life changes!). From that point I made a note to only
       | bookmark sites I'm likely to actually need/use again, and they go
       | into category folders (which makes me think twice about
       | bookmarking as opposed to just pressing the star blindly).
       | 
       | Anything else I want to read I'll open in a new tab and suspend
       | if I'm not reading straight away. I go through the tabs fairly
       | regularly in a relatively brutal "am I actually going to read
       | this" way and close them if not.
       | 
       | I've tried many, many ways of 'storing' things for recall ("those
       | 10 rules for life were fantastic!") but the reality of it is I
       | never revisit 99% of those things and for the 1% I can usually
       | google it (or find a more up to date substitute). Code snippets
       | are ever so slightly different (but not much!). There's probably
       | something much better to store visual things (like screenshots of
       | great websites etc.) - I'm just not sure I want to _start_ doing
       | this.
       | 
       | Long and short I'm trying to take the same approach to
       | information as I do to my wardrobe - if I'm not wearing it, why's
       | it in there?
        
         | robofanatic wrote:
         | > I recently cleared through thousands of bookmarks
         | 
         | Wow that's some dedication. For me bookmarking doesn't work,
         | still I do it. My bad habit I guess ;-) I never revisit that
         | stuff, because there is always so much new and more exciting
         | stuff coming in all the time that the old stuff seems almost
         | irrelevant.
        
           | iamben wrote:
           | Yeah, that was me exactly! I just couldn't face that massive
           | long list anymore - it had been ported from computer to
           | computer for years and was the digital equivalent of clearing
           | out the garage (and it felt great afterwards)! It was amazing
           | how useless half of them now were.
        
         | jodrellblank wrote:
         | Task for a future-tech AI; feed the AI all the
         | articles/books/bookmarks/ideas you would like to have read or
         | 'should' read, and then see what kind of a person it becomes
         | after ingesting them.
        
       | natn wrote:
       | This thread is like group therapy. On my current device I'd
       | estimate ~100 chrome tabs open over 10 desktops. I try to keep
       | them organized at least.
        
         | danparsonson wrote:
         | Hehe amateur - last time I cleared out the tabs on just my
         | phone, I had over 140
        
       | dspillett wrote:
       | _> I spend a huge amount of time collecting a never-ending stream
       | of links, notes, and thoughts, only to never actually go back and
       | read them again._
       | 
       | Same here. I have a huge and every expanding list of lists of
       | things I want to play with, and little projects (that might turn
       | into larger projects) which I have yet to really start, and
       | (because this has been going on so long) a list of skills I need
       | to bring up-to-date because they have atrophied significantly
       | while I've been _reading_ and not _doing_ (this is part of the
       | procrastination on starting many of those projects).
        
       | greenbit wrote:
       | Bookmarks, open tabs, screen shots. I hear you. For me, I think
       | it's that I insanely overestimate my free time, always thinking
       | "there's something I'd like to get back to". And about once a
       | month I have to close over 100 tabs that will never find the time
       | to get back to.
       | 
       | There's a never ending stream of Other Stuff that consumes my
       | time instead. Dishes, laundry, yard work, work-work, walking the
       | dog, you name it. I envy the dog; she at least has the sense not
       | to bookmark things she's never going to look at again.
        
       | eternalban wrote:
       | OP's condition is likely very common among hn readership. Looked
       | at positively, it is indicative of a desire to remain abreast of
       | the very fast moving technology curve on various fronts. The
       | issue is, in part, our bandwidth limitation.
       | 
       | Tools may help to some extent and the heavy lifting bits are
       | already done by others (e.g. https://typeset.io/). A simple
       | browser extension could use such services and provide a more
       | compact information package to consume. And a bit later down the
       | line, we'll likely can train AI to learn our informational
       | preferences (and/or goals) and further package and curate 'what
       | you need to read', etc.
       | 
       | -
       | 
       | a p.s.
       | 
       | After playing with GPT-3, diving a bit into the LLMs (to
       | understand the magic), the thought occurred that if a primitive
       | information processing network -- primitive compared to the one
       | we have in our cranium -- can do this, and this magic is mainly
       | and principally due to massive data consumption, then 'read
       | everything you can get your hands on' is a sensible imperative.
        
       | captaincaveman wrote:
       | I also have this problem and has been something I've been
       | thinking about for some time, and have started building.
       | 
       | All the comments here have been great validation, that there is
       | others with a need, which is encouraging.
       | 
       | I've mostly been working on the data aspects, so not much to see
       | as yet, but if a new approach to this is of interest to you,
       | please signup.
       | 
       | https://ont.fyi
       | 
       | I think the other solutions out there focus too much on note
       | taking, and manually organising stuff, hopefully I can create
       | something more compelling for the rest of us!
        
       | crispyambulance wrote:
       | Not disagreeing with the OP but "Hoarding information" is more
       | commonly used to describe a much more insidious problem than just
       | collecting so much information that it's a problem to keep track
       | of it.
       | 
       | "Information hoarding" is a problem when the hoarder keeps the
       | information from other people. It happens a lot in dysfunctional
       | work environments where "information is power" and where hoarders
       | just keep important details to themselves, leaving others out of
       | the loop to fend for themselves.
        
         | kleer001 wrote:
         | In business talk that's sometimes called "Silo-ing" as opposed
         | to "Building bridges".
        
       | Aromasin wrote:
       | I do the same, but set aside 2 hours every weekend to go back and
       | review all the links I saved that week. Important ones, I do a
       | write up summary of the content and it goes in my notes for
       | future reference. Non-important ones get archived. For archived,
       | links I'll go back once a month and read again. By the third time
       | I've read something, I can normally remember it. It's in long
       | term memory, and I can refer to it.
       | 
       | I've been using Obsidian lately to track my notes after migrating
       | all my old Markdown notes to there, and it's fantastic. I can
       | search by tags (I tag my notes meticulously) and come up with
       | heaps of information on one subject or another. It's a second
       | brain at this point - both a hobby, and a tool for when it comes
       | to writing or building.
        
       | samsquire wrote:
       | This is why I journal computer ideas out in the open on GitHub.
       | There is plenty of inspiration in blog posts and Quora and Hacker
       | News and Reddit. It is useful to aggregate thinking and
       | extrapolate thinking by writing. Writing is thinking.
       | 
       | Every interesting idea or thought or inspiration goes in my
       | journal.
       | 
       | Someone is writing about a problem or difficulty, I think and
       | write how I would fix it.
       | 
       | I have over 700 entries in my journal from 2013. If you want more
       | things to read, check out my profile. Start with "ideas" or
       | "ideas4"
        
       | daneel_w wrote:
       | Genuine question: do you also prep for disaster? "This might come
       | in handy some day" etc.
        
       | ZhangSWEFAANG wrote:
       | There's an easy solution to this - it's called the
       | information:action ratio. Actions include reading deeply,
       | writing, coding, etc. For every piece of information you consume,
       | you in general, want to produce twice that.
       | 
       | Source: My 150 IQ
        
         | snapcaster wrote:
         | Citing your IQ is cringe but I like the idea of
         | information:action ratio. I think I would benefit from keeping
         | that in mind
        
       | carapace wrote:
       | I do this too (although I think of it as a "backlog" rather than
       | "hoarding" but it's not important.)
       | 
       | Two things seem to help:
       | 
       | 1) Filter by "actionable"-ness: I ask myself, "Am I ever going to
       | do something with this piece of information?"
       | 
       | 2) Jotting down a sentence or two per item that captures _why_ I
       | find it interesting. Even that much work can change a list of
       | tabs /URLs into something more like a useful directory of
       | information.
       | 
       | Hope that helps. :)
        
       | hiAndrewQuinn wrote:
       | I had this when I was a kid. I broke out of it as a teen thanks
       | to taking spaced repetition systems seriously.
       | 
       | For one unfortunate semester in college almost a decade ago I
       | tried to put _everything_ I found interesting into SuperMemo. I
       | got good with all of its advanced features - adding web pages
       | directly, incremental reading, the works. After a few weeks I was
       | spending more time reading my SM queue than actually adding new
       | things to it. After about 2 months I dropped out because I was
       | spending too much time and mental energy using SuperMemo to do,
       | you know, _work_.
       | 
       | I have never, ever given myself a hard time for being forgetful
       | since. 99.999% of the information that flows through my eyes and
       | into my brain vanishes into pleasant unintelligible neural noise
       | and I would add more 9s to that if I could. Because the 0.001% of
       | genuinely insightful, evergreen, _resonant_ ideas that stick
       | around and elaborate my worldview is beautiful beyond to me.
        
       | erlich wrote:
       | Considering how many hoarders are out here, I would think it
       | wouldn't be too hard to manually tag and summarize every single
       | article that is posted on HN.
        
       | BasDirks wrote:
       | Sounds like you are maintaining and extending your own frame of
       | reference. I feel like a note that is never read again is not
       | necessarily a wasted effort.
        
       | visarga wrote:
       | > Whatever the cause, the end result is the same: I spend a huge
       | amount of time collecting a never-ending stream of links, notes,
       | and thoughts, only to never actually go back and read them again.
       | 
       | The solution is to save everything unorganised and retrieve with
       | a search engine, preferably hacked into your main search UI, so
       | you always get them on top. Don't make a separate search UI, you
       | won't use it. It has to be hacked into the main UI, probably
       | Google.
       | 
       | I'm wondering why Google, who is a search company and also a
       | browser maker doesn't implement full text search on the browsing
       | history.
        
         | robofanatic wrote:
         | > I'm wondering why Google, who is a search company and also a
         | browser maker doesn't implement full text search on the
         | browsing history.
         | 
         | They do. The search history shows up in the address bar as you
         | type. But sometimes it's annoying and maybe a privacy issue
         | especially when you are screen sharing with someone.
        
       | Cunya wrote:
       | I wrote a ruby script that kills all chrome processes that take
       | more than x amount of memory, so my browser tabs and windows
       | become placeholders for the links without taking huge amounts of
       | memory..
        
       | s3000 wrote:
       | >Why do I find myself in this situation? Is it FOMO driving me to
       | want to keep track of everything? Perhaps it's some form of
       | perfectionism or even an addiction.
       | 
       | My preferred explanation is Repetition compulsion [1].
       | 
       | >Whatever the cause, the end result is the same: I spend a huge
       | amount of time collecting a never-ending stream of links, notes,
       | and thoughts, only to never actually go back and read them again.
       | 
       | Do those notes have to be read again by the one who creates them?
       | Connecting information and publishing that on social media allows
       | others to do the next steps.
       | 
       | [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repetition_compulsion
        
         | mo_42 wrote:
         | I like the idea of repetition compulsion. Most probably keeps
         | people going once they started this way. But why do people
         | start in the first place?
         | 
         | I think it's some kind of uneasiness with actual work. Actual
         | work is hard, not exciting and the reward may come in a distant
         | future.
         | 
         | Maybe I should avoid HN much more because it gives me a
         | dopamine kick without having accomplished anything.
        
           | s3000 wrote:
           | The opposite of information hoarding is not unexciting, mind-
           | numbing work. The opposite of information hoarding is doing
           | what you want to do.
           | 
           | If somebody can do something nice, and still does information
           | hoarding, things become interesting.
           | 
           | That's why it's more than a habit:
           | 
           | >Repetition compulsion is the unconscious tendency of a
           | person to repeat a traumatic event or its circumstances
           | 
           | Information hoarding is the perfect repeatable event. There
           | is an almost infinite supply of rewarding ideas and there is
           | no physical obstacle building up that triggers invention from
           | somebody else.
           | 
           | With those conditions, any traumatic event, any drama, can be
           | projected onto these situations until the lesson is learned.
           | 
           | The cruel paradox of the information hoarder community is
           | that they haven't managed to create a list of information
           | that helps to resolves their unfortunate condition.
        
       | batmansmk wrote:
       | I tend to associate the information I hoard with knowledge, which
       | I equate to fuel to develop my efficiency. It's actually the
       | opposite. I rarely lack the extra bit of information and more
       | often loose track of what really matters. I resonate with this
       | article.
        
       | rus64 wrote:
       | Saving this to read later
        
       | breischl wrote:
       | I think I do something similar, though on reflection I read
       | things almost as a distraction. Like, I should be working on
       | something useful, and instead I'm reading about the internals of
       | a change to a language I don't even use. It's _interesting_, but
       | usually not _useful_. It's just information porn - to me anyway,
       | it's probably very useful to some other people.
       | 
       | I partially alleviated this by requiring myself to summarize the
       | useful bits from any article I read into a note. The point being
       | that if there's not enough value in the article to make that
       | worthwhile, then there's no point even reading it and I'm just
       | wasting time. And if there is value in it, then forcing myself to
       | summarize that is going to make it more likely that I'll remember
       | it.
       | 
       | I'm not 100% consistent on doing this, but it does help break me
       | out of "information grazing".
        
       | cadbox1 wrote:
       | I built a notes app specifically for capturing my HN links. It
       | organises them both by date and topic so I can browse them by
       | topic but also find "that one link from last week".
       | 
       | https://kapanotes.com/cadbox1
        
       | ss48 wrote:
       | I ended up using an extension called Tabs Aside
       | (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tabs-aside/) and
       | watch later for this. Then have an extension to open a random
       | bookmark or shuffle through the watch later playlist.
       | 
       | It's not so much about hoarding as much as it is about a broader
       | range of content. The internet can only be focused on discussing
       | so many things in a day. I find that not saving news articles and
       | current events really helps in this regards to maintain a useful
       | list of things to read through that might be worth learning about
       | more or exploring.
        
       | dlahoda wrote:
       | learning math helps, discrete math and logic.
       | 
       | using taggers helps. reading abstract and having tag
       | #have_read_abstract for example. so you should not read whole.
       | close.
       | 
       | there are taggers for time and files too.
       | 
       | do more p2p and crowd hoarding, dozens of p2p softwares for
       | haording. it helps in some way.
       | 
       | sure mentioned, anki, and foam. so learn hotkeys and multiline
       | editing.
       | 
       | there are other ways, so not sure if these easy to use right
       | away. measuring economic valuation of opening any link or reading
       | works. check some authority, credibility and quality. retreats
       | and no tech for a while help to reset measuring gadgets in brain.
       | 
       | many things are zombies, dead in arrival, lack structure. do not
       | spend on these.
       | 
       | my recent example, thousand yoga people there. and few which give
       | you structure. example, yoga plus anatomy course.
        
       | mzzter wrote:
       | I also hoard information. Keeping a stream of links where I go
       | back to a small percentage. But I find that it is a good habit
       | for me. The links are a slice of the pages that I actually care
       | about.
       | 
       | Though, I wish for a way to index and search specifically within
       | my stream of links. So that I can better recall content that I
       | have glanced at in the past.
        
       | jhoelzel wrote:
       | I found a pretty good way around this:
       | 
       | I use exchange and email myself the articles, usually over iphone
       | share.
       | 
       | That means i can go to my folder that i have dedicated "from me
       | to me" and in there i can use full text search to satisfy the
       | "damn, where have i read that again?"
       | 
       | It's incomplete because stuff goes down all the time, but usually
       | ill read the headline and be on my way to the original vendor
       | docs anyway =)
        
       | dfraser992 wrote:
       | I have been collecting bookmarks for some time now as well - all
       | unsorted... Doing it manually would be a nightmare so I have been
       | thinking about making a SaaS - webcrawler + AI (NLP + clustering)
       | 
       | It would at least accomplish a preliminary sort/grouping; manual
       | cleanup or fine tuning would always be needed, I think, but at
       | least the bulk of the work could be done in an automated fashion
       | to give the user a head start.
       | 
       | Would anyone else want such a SaaS? I thought about how to charge
       | for it, but ideally it is a one-time operation, so charging
       | anything more than $1 to $5 doesn't seem reasonable. And the
       | privacy issues ... bunch of practical problems, so I may just
       | write some OSS.
        
       | satvikchoudhary wrote:
       | It can easily be just a habit. I had the same habit as OP before,
       | at some point I used to collect tabs stopped at 500 or so. Then I
       | began collecting links and info in markdown. Many people go even
       | further, they set up automation on top of notion, twitter bots
       | and what not.
       | 
       | Now I just browse, collect only as much tabs I can read in 1-2
       | days. Hoarding hasn't done me any good. So I just don't do it
       | anymore.
       | 
       | But why do I browse so much of twitter, HN. I think it is FOMO,
       | but also a bit of a lack of purpose which I think I have atleast
       | partially solved for now.
       | 
       | Or maybe its just curious minds can't stop when there is more
       | information out there as said by one of the comments.
        
       | tpoacher wrote:
       | put them on anki
       | 
       | make special options for the deck that effectively remind you to
       | read a random article everynow and then (or, one a day/week)
       | 
       | read articles get pushed further down the queue as per anki's
       | algorithm
       | 
       | enjoy your incremental reading of links you liked
        
       | gchokov wrote:
       | I resonate with the article as well. There seems to be too many
       | interesting things for the curious minds. Perhaps, it has always
       | been like this. Nothing bad with curiosity - I think it's quite
       | the opposite, it's a great thing. I found that for me though, it
       | needs to be balanced, and I learned to not feel bad if I can't
       | check or read everything I want.
        
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