[HN Gopher] Reverse-engineering an airspeed/Mach indicator from ...
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       Reverse-engineering an airspeed/Mach indicator from 1977
        
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       Score  : 59 points
       Date   : 2023-01-12 18:28 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | kens wrote:
       | Author here if you have any questions :-)
        
         | kennend3 wrote:
         | Nice article and cool you are here for questions.
         | 
         | > The unit is powered by 26 volts, 400 Hz, a standard voltage
         | for aviation.
         | 
         | Any idea as to the history as to why this is the case?
         | 
         | I assume higher voltage is useful for lower amps? But why 400
         | hz?
         | 
         | Seems odd to use such a high voltage if components such as this
         | must have internal transformers?
        
           | kens wrote:
           | Others have described why 400 Hz is useful. But I'll mention
           | that this frequency is very inconvenient for using the box on
           | the ground. Fortunately CuriousMarc had some vintage HP boxes
           | that we could use. We ended up hooking up an HP 3310A
           | function generator to an HP 6824A DC power supply amplifier
           | to produce the power for the indicator.
        
           | tyingq wrote:
           | I know on the ground, 400Hz was a better match for turbofan
           | electric generators. Which were lighter and more efficient
           | than normal ICE generators. And so used a lot when the
           | equipment was mobile.
        
           | londons_explore wrote:
           | Higher frequency allows transformers and induction motors to
           | use less steel in their cores for the same power.
           | 
           | In aviation, that matters because weight matters.
           | 
           | The downside is iron losses become bigger (heat lost in
           | transformers). In a plane that typically doesn't matter
           | because you aren't worried about losing a couple of watts of
           | electrical power.
           | 
           | In today's world, it is irrelevant because all voltage
           | conversion is done solid state (which is easier from DC), and
           | all motors (of new designs) are brushless and therefore
           | prefer to run from DC.
        
           | akelly wrote:
           | Higher frequency means smaller and therefore lighter
           | transformers, which is very important on aircraft. Nowadays a
           | DC voltage supply would be better, but DC to DC voltage
           | converters didn't exist when the 24V 400Hz standard was
           | created.
           | 
           | For mains voltage we use 50-60 Hz because lower frequencies
           | work better with very large AC generators in power plants
           | and, and lower frequencies are more efficient to transmit
           | long distances.
        
         | jonah wrote:
         | How would this unit be calibrated? It seems that wear an aging
         | on the motors and potentiometers would change their
         | characteristics slightly over time.
        
           | kens wrote:
           | I assume there is a detailed testing procedure specified by
           | the FAA, and they would replace any bad components.
           | 
           | But because of the servo loop feedback, most of the
           | components aren't critical to accuracy. (Note that the
           | internal power supplies are entirely unregulated.) If the
           | motor slows down, for instance, it will still end up at the
           | right location. The potentiometer is really the critical
           | part, but it shouldn't change very much. And if it does
           | change, as long as the resistance changes uniformly, it will
           | still be okay.
        
             | inoffensivename wrote:
             | https://support.cessna.com/custsupt/contacts/pubs/ourpdf.pd
             | f...
             | 
             | This is an example of the pitot/static inspection procedure
             | for a Cessna Citation Sovereign. The procedure itself
             | begins on page 9 of the PDF.
        
       | ddoolin wrote:
       | This is awesome. I've seen a much simpler one of these (and other
       | things) behind the firewall and was pretty amazed at how much is
       | really back there. To see that the systems are as reliable as
       | they are, and that they tell you when they aren't (e.g. this
       | ASI's fault checking), is really cool from my perspective and I
       | believe has carried forward to more modern avionics.
       | 
       | I really freaking love avionics. I'd love to get into software
       | development at an avionics company but I have no clue where to
       | start with that.
        
         | addaon wrote:
         | E-mail me (@gmail) if you'd like to chat about this.
        
       | tyingq wrote:
       | Great writeup! I didn't see it mentioned, but I assume the fast
       | motor with reduction gears is helpful for a damping effect. To
       | slow any twitching and show a sort of short term average speed.
        
       | rootusrootus wrote:
       | They sure did make old electronics pretty. At least sometimes, as
       | in the case of this device that probably cost as much as my car.
       | 
       | I'm curious about the soldered wires, though. Especially in a
       | device intended to be used in an airplane. No concerns about
       | brittleness? I was under the (probably mistaken) impression most
       | vehicular wiring was clamped or crimped these days for that
       | reason.
       | 
       | Maybe those aren't really soldered, but just look kinda like it?
        
         | dboreham wrote:
         | A crimp is done to a connector so you have to consider the
         | reliability of the connector+crimp. Those soldered wires are
         | direct onto the terminal so no connector.
        
           | rootusrootus wrote:
           | I was thinking it might be specific to the use case, for
           | sure. And maybe these are solid core wires, I can't really
           | make it out from the picture.
        
         | madengr wrote:
         | Crimping on cars is probably just to save money, and some of
         | the wire they use is garbage. Solder is pretty soft, especially
         | lead based. Silver solders are more brittle and we don't use
         | them for high reliability applications. Gold also has to be
         | removed as it will embrittle the joint. For wires soldered to a
         | PCB you can stake the wires with an electronics grade RTV, then
         | bundle with twine, staked with epoxy. I have used low-
         | outgassing RTV for space applications that costs $600 a tube.
        
         | blamazon wrote:
         | One possible explanation: leaded solder is more elastic than
         | non-leaded. (less brittle)
         | 
         | Modern mass produced products generally have had lead
         | engineered out of them, including in the solder.
         | 
         | One popular product specification in this domain is RoHS, the
         | EU Restriction of Hazardous Substances Direction, which largely
         | bans lead and 9 other hazardous substances:
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restriction_of_Hazardous_Subst...
        
           | addaon wrote:
           | Although note that avionics fall under the "transportation"
           | exemption, and RoHS does not apply.
           | 
           | That said, the supply chain has moved largely towards RoHS
           | compliance, so some avionics inherit that for supply chain
           | simplicity. Some don't; there's a cottage industry reballing
           | BGAs from lead-free to leaded solder for aerospace
           | applications.
        
       | mk_stjames wrote:
       | There is something about this era of higher-end electronic
       | assemblies that just ticks boxes for me aesthetically- metal can
       | transistors, raw fiber boards with no solder mask, axial lead
       | film capacitors, perfect leaded (or sometimes silver) solder
       | joints...
        
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