[HN Gopher] Common Lisp and Music Composition
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Common Lisp and Music Composition
Author : wglb
Score : 79 points
Date : 2023-01-17 17:54 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| pmoriarty wrote:
| I used to use Common Music[1], a Scheme music composition
| environment and loved it... but it seems the project died years
| ago.
|
| I'd love to find another lightweight Scheme-based music
| programming language without any graphical dependencies.
|
| [1] -
| https://ccrma.stanford.edu/courses/220b-winter-2006/cm/doc/c...
| jakespracher wrote:
| Reminds me of this clojure talk https://youtu.be/Mfsnlbd-4xQ
| diskzero wrote:
| The author mentions using OpusModus, noting that it is similar in
| the spirit of Symbolic Composer. OpusModus is primarily the work
| of Janusz Podrazik, who also happened to be one of the main
| authors of Symbolic Composer.
|
| Janus is also the co-author of a very nice book on the
| fundamentals of composition with OpusModus. [1] The book also
| servers a nice introduction to Lisp as well!
|
| [1] https://diastemastudiericerche.org/product/marco-giommoni-
| ja...
| kreelman wrote:
| Interesting article. Thanks.
|
| Noticed a lot of use of setq... Wondering if this is simply the
| author's muscle memory or if there is a speed or reduced
| complexity advantage compared to using setf.
|
| I think this kind of demonstrates the amazing plasticity of Lispy
| environments. There are multiple ways of doing something as
| relatively straightforward as assignment, all within the one
| version of the environment (I know, other langs can do this too,
| but still neat).
|
| I'm gradually getting my head around Emacs lisp. Lots of setq
| there.
| lispm wrote:
| Other Common Lisp applications for music, written in LispWorks,
| http://www.lispworks.com :
|
| ScoreCloud, Music Notation: https://scorecloud.com
|
| MusicEase, Music Notation: https://www.musicease.com/
|
| OpenMusic, Music composition with a visual programming language:
| https://github.com/openmusic-project/openmusic/ ,
| https://openmusic-project.github.io/openmusic/
|
| OM#, originally based on OpenMusic: https://github.com/cac-t-
| u-s/om-sharp , https://cac-t-u-s.github.io
|
| Most of these applications are available for Mac and Windows,
| some even for Linux.
|
| OpusModus, https://opusmodus.com (mentioned in the article) now
| is on Macs (Intel / Apple Silicon) and an upcoming version is
| promised for Windows
| adham-omran wrote:
| Music from code is a very interesting idea, but it always struck
| me as a something to be done after a melody is made rather than a
| tool for creating music. The instantaneous translation of motion
| to music on an instrument is difficult if not impossible to
| replicate with code. Euclidean rhythms are a good application.
| eddsh1994 wrote:
| I remember seeing someone perform a live gig at a Haskell
| conference programming music in real time - there's probably
| videos online somewhere (youtube)
| wglb wrote:
| Don't think this is at a haskel conference, but this looks
| like fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1m0aX9Lpts. Their
| web site is https://sonic-pi.net/.
|
| An explanation of sonic
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLLwG_SN8oo
| diskzero wrote:
| Sonic Pi is really neat, especially the work that has been
| done using Erlang in the playback scheduler.
| zimpenfish wrote:
| Almost certainly 'yaxu who has a bunch of videos on YouTube
| re: TidalCycles (the live coding env he created in Haskell) -
| https://www.youtube.com/@yaxu/videos
|
| Also does a lot on the Euler Room channel including a live
| stream this last weekend -
| https://www.youtube.com/@Eulerroom/videos
|
| There's a web based version called Strudel that's a good way
| to get a quick intro without the hassle of the TidalCycles
| setup - https://strudel.tidalcycles.org/
| runevault wrote:
| Maybe I've just been blind to it but feels like CL has been
| getting mentioned more on HN lately (I do remember the early days
| when Lisp/Scheme/Arc were mentioned a lot since this site runs on
| Arc). Actually gone through some of that Common Lisp the hard way
| that was linked here not terribly long ago.
| tmtvl wrote:
| People sticking to their good intentions for the new year,
| maybe? Common Lisp is a pretty great language, though
| (especially with defstar and alexandria).
| sp33der89 wrote:
| So how is programming in Common Lisp these days? I know a bit
| of Clojure/Fennel, but I feel like the Common Lisp ecosystem is
| a lot more fractured(I might very well be wrong tho)?
| runevault wrote:
| Feels alright though I'm still early in relearning it. Going
| through that Learning CL the hard way[1] plus grabbed On Lisp
| and slowly working through that as well. I also need to
| really mess with Quicklisp which I set up to give me a
| package manager. Alive is a damn good plugin for CL on VS
| Code if you don't wanna go down the Emacs hole.
|
| It is worth mentioning Hard Way still has a bunch of holes in
| it, like I got to the chapter on vectors and it is basically
| blank
|
| [1] - https://llthw.common-lisp.dev/
| sph wrote:
| Same, still trying to get a good book that's pragmatic and
| for experienced developers. Many starts from the basics, or
| don't even talk about stuff like Quicklisp and ASDF.
|
| I want a book to make production-ready software in Common
| Lisp, not to faff around. The Paul Graham "On Lisp" book
| seems excellent, and I'll dive into it next.
| runevault wrote:
| FYI PG put the PDF up on his site so you can just legally
| download it.
| sp33der89 wrote:
| Yea this is a thing too, I have no idea what is
| recommended in the current ecosystem. SBCL + Quicklisp? I
| don't even really know what ASDF is.
| vindarel wrote:
| https://lispcookbook.github.io/cl-cookbook/ ?
| Implementations, Quicklisp and ASDF explained
| runevault wrote:
| If you want true common lisp SBCL is probably the most
| universally known, and yeah everything I've read
| indicates one of the first things you should do is
| download and run the quicklisp setup so you have it
| working with your environment. Though it is funny how
| Hard Way did it during initial setup but then hasn't used
| it at all and I'm a chunk of the way through. Even as a
| beginner book I'd probably briefly touch on packages
| because it is so important to modern development.
| p_l wrote:
| It's not very fractured, especially in open source as many
| "common libraries" support most implementations.
|
| It very much helps that there's a single standard that is
| quite rich (unlike Scheme) which makes for much easier
| portability between implementations, to the point that
| somewhat common repeated trope was developers using one
| implementation for faster iteration and another for
| deployment (for example, CCL for development and SBCL for
| faster code in deployment, or CCL/SBCL for development and
| ECL for target deployment).
| ranit wrote:
| > Common Lisp the hard way that was linked here not terribly
| long ago
|
| Here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34326311
| Syntonicles wrote:
| I spent some time this year using Common Lisp. It's expanding
| my mind and I see all sorts of alternate histories. I'm
| starting to feel very curious about SmallTalk for that same
| reason.
|
| There have been a lot of attempts to revitalize Lisp. Clojure
| is the one that comes to mind, and I do like that language. My
| personal take CL simply has a marketing problem. The name
| sounds so stale and boring that I never thought to pick it up.
| "Common" may have been a word that invoked unity in a fractured
| ecosystem at some point in time, but today it communicates
| "Nothing Special".
| truckerbill wrote:
| It's too married to emacs right now
| diskzero wrote:
| I have been a happy user of OpusModus for a while. The latest
| version is based on LispWorks. OpusModus used to be based on CCL,
| but sadly CCL does not have a clear path forward to run on
| M-based Macs. It would be great for CCL to get some technical
| help, but OpusModus has left that platform.
| mark_l_watson wrote:
| Good though that they are using LispWorks since they are active
| on the users group for LW. They once answered a question I had
| on app signing.
|
| re: article: I would like to try the software.
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