[HN Gopher] Buy Hi-Resolution Satellite Images of Any Place on E...
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       Buy Hi-Resolution Satellite Images of Any Place on Earth
        
       Author : for_i_in_range
       Score  : 324 points
       Date   : 2023-01-21 18:14 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.skyfi.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.skyfi.com)
        
       | technological wrote:
       | What is the usecase for common man ? I cannot think of anything,
       | so asking to understand how one will use it.
       | 
       | Thanks and awesome website
        
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       | kickout wrote:
       | Very cool. Always interested in these hi-res photos for
       | agricultural field monitoring. A little pricey though.
       | 
       | ETA: 5 sq km seems big for a minimum. Multispectral availability
       | is super cool tho!
        
         | mckeed wrote:
         | Cool, I was wondering if this would be useful for farmers.
         | Could you share more info on how multispectral images would be
         | used?
        
           | lukefischer wrote:
           | Well with SAR you can get moisture content of soil which can
           | help with crop yields. Right now third parties do this for ag
           | work but our goal is to have integrated analytics cause
           | really a farmer doesn't care about the imagery he or she
           | cares about crop yields...that's what we are solving for.
        
       | aliljet wrote:
       | I've long wondered why we couldn't start collecting pure drone
       | footage for this kind of data. Literally decentralize the
       | collection of overhead imagery.
        
         | kbaker wrote:
         | https://openaerialmap.org/ exists!
        
           | aliljet wrote:
           | Wait, how can I start sending my drone footage to them? This
           | is cool?
        
             | lukefischer wrote:
             | We have a couple drone partners...I'm a big drone fan (ran
             | the experiment while at Uber Elevate) and want to have
             | every drone hobbyist be able to upload their data and get
             | paid (probably a small chunk but size based) as long as it
             | can be geo rectified
        
         | lukefischer wrote:
         | It's on our roadmap. Imagery and data from all sources
        
       | heliodor wrote:
       | I picked an area. The preview low-res image seems to indicate
       | that they are happy to sell me pictures of clouds!
        
         | ritwikgupta wrote:
         | That's just the part of the equation when using electro-optical
         | imagery. You're paying to task a satellite, not necessarily a
         | clear picture. To me this will be an interesting test for
         | SkyFi. Casual customers just expect to see the ground when they
         | "buy an image" and giving them clouds will put them off from
         | using the service further.
        
           | jvanderbot wrote:
           | You can select maximum cloud cover in the resulting image,
           | over a month long imaging window. They predict cloud cover to
           | task satellites. It's kind of the dual problem to "get me and
           | image on this date"
        
           | heliodor wrote:
           | I understand that for new images but for existing images I
           | expect them to stack multiple images into a cloud-free image,
           | just like Google Maps does. Otherwise, at least calculate the
           | cloud cover and discount me the money proportionally.
        
             | thfuran wrote:
             | >at least calculate the cloud cover and discount me the
             | money proportionally.
             | 
             | That makes sense if you can figure out how to get food to
             | duplicate their satellites.
        
           | lukefischer wrote:
           | Really depends on the use cases but I understand. You can
           | adjust cloud settings in the advanced tab, by default its
           | 20%. You could go down to 0%. We won't charge you if the
           | clouds are above what you specify.
        
         | lukefischer wrote:
         | When we get more supply there will be more options. Just
         | getting started here.
        
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       | aendruk wrote:
       | Does this allow me to use purchased images as a reference for
       | OpenStreetMap contributions? Or even better, donate them to
       | OpenStreetMap for other contributors to reference?
       | 
       | Occasionally the available imagery around important features is
       | too outdated (e.g. completed construction of public
       | infrastructure) and I'd love to be able to fund a prioritized
       | update.
        
         | lucb1e wrote:
         | I read elsewhere in the thread that the license allows
         | basically anything, provided that you aren't making money and
         | that you give credit. The latter is the hard part. Would a
         | source=... tag on the object be enough? Or does anyone using
         | that part of the OSM map need to be made aware that this
         | contains data based on skyfi? There are no methods currently
         | for doing the latter.
        
       | lesquivemeau wrote:
       | Is it just me or is the "very high res" sample less detailled
       | than the preview on the map ?
        
       | denlekke wrote:
       | 48 hours from new image capture to being able to download it.
       | didn't see info on the time between requesting a new image and
       | how soon it can be captured
        
         | lukefischer wrote:
         | We aim to be faster. It'll increase with more supply
        
       | nly wrote:
       | The "high resolution" 50cm option wasn't even available in my
       | area of the UK. Lame.
        
         | lukefischer wrote:
         | This is our first entry to the market, agree it's not ideal you
         | can't get it but working on amping up supply as quick as we
         | can.
        
       | jofer wrote:
       | What's interesting to me is that the pricing isn't that unique.
       | That's pretty normal for a list price. $7 sq km + 25 sq km min
       | (basically the size of the image).
       | 
       | That's probably because they're (I think?) buying tasking
       | capacity from other companies, so the pricing can't be below the
       | rate they negotiate. That probably results in then negotiating a
       | below list price from a few companies and then setting prices
       | that wind up being close to the average list price for the
       | industry.
       | 
       | The difference is two very key things: 1) no minimum overall buy
       | 2) fully public pricing
       | 
       | That price is pretty normal, but usually you have to commit to at
       | least a few thousand dollars worth. 25 sq km min per target is
       | also pretty normal, but the contracts usually require you
       | committing to at least a few hundred of those.
       | 
       | Next is public list pricing. Every company has list pricing, and
       | that's basically what smaller customers will pay. Large customers
       | negotiate it down, of course. But just explicitly advertising the
       | list pricing is also a big deal and not normally done. It's
       | usually way too hidden.
       | 
       | A lot of folks (hi there Joe) have been pushing for more
       | transparency in pricing, and a lot of companies have been talking
       | about chasing the "long tail" of small customers for a long time,
       | but it's really good to see someone actually doing it.
        
         | LeifCarrotson wrote:
         | It is! So many people (both potential large customers and that
         | long tail of small customers) will not click "contact a sales
         | associate" and just leave when you won't say how much a thing
         | costs.
         | 
         | Even just a ballpark is helpful. As an industrial engineer, I
         | deal with this all the time - I don't have time to go to lunch
         | with you and talk about one of 300 components on my machine,
         | but is your fancy gizmo worth it? When the tech specs are
         | public PDFs, that's great, when they're locked behind an
         | account creation email flow to spam me later, that sucks (and
         | you'll get a company disposable email), when the account
         | doesn't get created until your sales rep looks at my company
         | website to estimate how much money you can take us for, it's
         | too late; I've already designed in something else. And what's
         | the price difference between the standard and deluxe models? Is
         | it 20%, or a factor of 3? If your product is moderately
         | compelling but has public pricing, you're in the running, if I
         | have to wait for a quote you'd better be really compelling.
         | 
         | I might be one of those long tail customers for SkyFi, my Dad's
         | birthday is coming up and I think he'd love a print of a
         | satellite photo of his cottage on the lake up north...it needs
         | to be better than Google Maps, but I'd never make it through a
         | manual sales pipeline.
        
           | roamerz wrote:
           | This. I evaluate lots of software in my position. If you
           | don't post at least ballpark pricing on your public webpage
           | and you do not have a feature I cannot live without I'm
           | talking to one of your competitors that does. Every time.
        
             | lukefischer wrote:
             | 100% agree, nobody wants to contact sales so I outlawed
             | that. Easy decision
        
             | bookofjoe wrote:
             | Concur. This is so obvious to me I do not understand why
             | not posting a price -- no matter what it is -- is still
             | considered good business practice. Perhaps once upon a time
             | before the internet but no longer.
        
               | blowski wrote:
               | It's not that they have a fixed price they're not sharing
               | with you. They want to estimate how much you'll pay first
               | - look at Crunchbase, etc.
               | 
               | I'm not saying it's a good idea but there are plenty of
               | smart cookies who seem to think it maximises revenue.
               | 
               | If you want to counteract, have a shitty little startup
               | with no funding and ask for the quote for them.
        
               | roamerz wrote:
               | That's probably a valid point. I would liken that to car
               | lots but most of them at least publicly post a starting
               | price. I guess it's no wonder why I instinctively steer
               | clear.
        
               | tshaddox wrote:
               | I suspect it's primarily a mix of three things. The first
               | is price discrimination, like you mention. The second is
               | wanting to have some control over the sales process
               | (price anchoring, tempering sticker stock, etc.). The
               | third is related to the second: focusing inbound sales
               | efforts by subtly communicating that "if you have to ask,
               | you can't afford it" for a large chunk of price-sensitive
               | customers.
        
               | lukefischer wrote:
               | anytime you hear "custom quote" it means a sales person
               | is try to maximize his or her value out of you
        
               | roamerz wrote:
               | When in fact the opposite should be true. How can I as a
               | company maximize my value to you. This is the type of
               | companies I choose to partner with.
        
               | lukefischer wrote:
               | its a backwards system and then when you combine sales
               | teams that are commission based how can anyone
               | realistically expect to get a fair price when a human's
               | pay is based on getting as high a price as possible
        
               | roamerz wrote:
               | And the 4th is once I see those sorts of sales tactics I
               | know what kind of people run that company and I am not
               | interested in associating with them. Principal matters.
        
               | blowski wrote:
               | A more positive spin would be that richer companies are
               | subsidising poorer ones.
        
             | Turing_Machine wrote:
             | Yep. To me (and, I suspect, plenty of others) "call for
             | pricing" = "call so one of our trained manipulators can
             | figure out how to screw you out of as much money as
             | possible".
        
           | teamskyfi wrote:
           | The pricing page on our website is just the start. If you
           | visit the desktop or download the mobile app
           | (https://www.skyfi.com/download-app), you will see that we
           | have dynamic pricing in-app. As you change the size of your
           | area of interest (AOI), the price immediately changes. We are
           | 100% focused on the UX for the end-user and will work hard to
           | keep the purchasing process seamless. User feedback like
           | these conversations is helpful.
        
             | LegitShady wrote:
             | I'm not going to download and install your app to discover
             | pricing either. There's a fair chance you can't get me to
             | install your app ever, and the more of your service is tied
             | to it, the less likely I am to use your service at all.
        
               | int_19h wrote:
               | Their website has similar functionality where you can
               | highlight an area on the map and it immediately tells you
               | how much the photo will cost, updating the price as you
               | tweak options.
        
           | CPLX wrote:
           | > I might be one of those long tail customers for SkyFi, my
           | Dad's birthday is coming up and I think he'd love a print of
           | a satellite photo of his cottage on the lake up north ...it
           | needs to be better than Google Maps
           | 
           | It's not, it's drastically worse than Google Maps, not even
           | comparable.
           | 
           | That was my use case as well, I bought images (at the highest
           | offered resolution) of my house upstate and the place I got
           | married, thinking they'd be nice little framed items, and
           | they're completely unusable.
           | 
           | Google maps is probably 10-50x sharper. It's a confusing
           | product. I guess there's a use case of tracking a something
           | like how many warehouses your competitor has built, or
           | avalanches, or forest fires, or all sorts of time sensitive
           | things, but I feel like they could do a way better job of
           | actually explaining what they are actually selling.
        
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             | int_19h wrote:
             | Google Maps uses aerial photos past a certain level of
             | magnification, if it is available in a given area, even if
             | it's still labelled as "satellite".
             | 
             | If you compare areas where there are no such photos - e.g.
             | large natural parks - the hi-res samples on their website
             | don't look any worse to me than Google.
        
           | toss1 wrote:
           | >> will not click "contact a sales associate" and just leave
           | when you won't say how much a thing costs.
           | 
           | THIS!!
           | 
           | Having run small businesses in several technology industries,
           | I cannot emphasize how much this is true.
           | 
           | I very well understand that pricing can be complex.
           | 
           | But if you cannot give me even an order of magnitude as to
           | whether your prices are even remotely feasible for me or my
           | customer's project, I likely don't have the time or
           | motivation to find out.
           | 
           | Yes, I get it, you think your likelihood of sales is better
           | if I talk to someone and they can pitch me on how wonderful
           | your stuff is.
           | 
           | Bullshirt. Maybe one in 500 times is that true. You are
           | wasting my time and yours.
           | 
           | And, no this is not a filter to weed out the small players.
           | My small shops have done work for anything from individuals
           | to the largest multinational corps and governments. If your
           | product is a fit, I can get the budget. But putting in that
           | kind of wall is just offputting.
           | 
           | This is very much like how the real estate industry used to
           | treat the address of a property as a state secret, as if
           | nothing is ever a 'drive-by', the sale will be lost if they
           | can't talk with the customer, blah, blah, blah. Then the dam
           | finally broke, and now they all put addresses and maps, and
           | guess what? They save themselves tons of time because the
           | buyers self-qualify! They check out the places themselves,
           | and only call when it already looks like a good fit.
           | 
           | Sales and marketing types really can get stuck in naive wrong
           | ideas for decades...
        
           | Sebb767 wrote:
           | > It is! So many people (both potential large customers and
           | that long tail of small customers) will not click "contact a
           | sales associate" and just leave when you won't say how much a
           | thing costs.
           | 
           | Yes! Especially since 'contact us' can usually be translated
           | as 'not financially viable for a private person' (or even
           | small company).
           | 
           | Even if pricing is not easy to say (like for companies doing
           | custom car mods etc.), at least a rough idea or example
           | projects with their costs help to know whether you could
           | reasonably afford something.
        
             | Gemoto wrote:
             | My team has 7 people and my company has 100.000 employees.
             | 
             | My budget as that single team is not 'just getting the
             | company credit card out and paying 5k / year for some
             | services I wanna use'.
             | 
             | I'm pretty sure this type of practice is just stupid and we
             | do see how much easier it is to just be allowed to click a
             | VM on was, gcp and co in comparison to all of these
             | 'contactnus for pricing shit'.
        
               | teamskyfi wrote:
               | Can you elaborate on what you'd like to see?
        
               | jjeaff wrote:
               | Not op, but I'm sure, like many people, are saying they
               | would like to see advertised, upfront pricing.
        
         | rmason wrote:
         | I started out doing aerial infrared photography for farmers in
         | 1983 when it meant storing film in the refrigerator and renting
         | a Cessna. Then in the nineties I moved on to buying satellite
         | photos.
         | 
         | But there was a fundamental disconnect between how a fertilizer
         | company wanted to buy photos and how the satellite company
         | wanted to sell them. We ideally wanted to buy them by the
         | field, the section or township at worst. The satellite company
         | wanted to sell you a 'scene' which was 10-12 counties. Most
         | farmers trying technology as a test would give you 5-10% of
         | their acreage. Try telling your boss you wanted to buy photos
         | where you weren't going to use 99%+ of them.
         | 
         | Then to make it worse here in Michigan it is quite cloudy. You
         | get your photos and 50-60% of them are ruined by cloud cover.
         | When it worked the photos were a godsend. Getting three or four
         | flyovers a season allowed you to spot trends as well.
         | 
         | I personally think drones will win the ag market. What I wanted
         | to do back in the nineties was launch a drone from the county
         | airport and have it automatically fly to a given set of gps
         | coordinates and return at nighttime. Cost is lower, I don't
         | have to buy any extra photos that I don't want and because its
         | below the clouds all the photos are useable.
         | 
         | But back then the technology didn't exist. But the tech has
         | been there since 2010. Since 2015 its been possible to fly
         | around other planes in the sky and geofence fields near
         | airports. But the FAA won't grant permission, even for tests. I
         | know at least two Michigan startups that went broke waiting and
         | I suspect there are many more. So for now you have no choice
         | but try using satellite companies. As a result the market is
         | 1-2% of what it could be.
        
           | larsiusprime wrote:
           | What about balloons? Have you seen Urban Sky?
           | https://www.urbansky.com
           | 
           | (I'm not affiliated with them, fwiw)
        
             | rmason wrote:
             | Interesting idea if you aren't dealing with a heavy cloud
             | cover like say Iowa or Illinois this might work. For taking
             | pictures in a city this could be really useful.
             | 
             | But if you have to stay below the cloud cover you're going
             | to probably cover no more than a township(?) at a time. If
             | I have to send a guy out in a pickup who launches, grabs a
             | photo, pulls it back in and then drives to the next
             | township it is slow and expensive.
        
           | hammock wrote:
           | > here in Michigan it is quite cloudy. You get your photos
           | and 50-60% of them are ruined by cloud cover
           | 
           | Why would an aerial photo plane fly when it's cloudy? Makes
           | no sense.
           | 
           | Edit: downvote me some more. Seems pretty clear that it would
           | be important for an outfit to schedule and run flights on
           | 80%+ clear days or at least days with high ceilings.. not 50%
           | or less days
        
         | jofer wrote:
         | With that said, I'm still very skeptical that there's enough
         | revenue in the "long tail" of small customers to make a viable
         | satellite imaging company. Please prove me wrong there!
        
           | brookst wrote:
           | Hello jofer! I couldn't help noticing your red 2017 Subaru
           | Crosstrek was out in your driveway all winter, and probably
           | needs a spring detail. We're running a special this week!
           | 
           | We've also identified signs of water damage on your roof,
           | which was last replaced 22 years ago according to public
           | records. Our local affiliate will provide a repair estimate
           | free of cost, and we'll throw in a discount on the car
           | detail.
        
             | anlsh wrote:
             | I think I'm going to vomit :(
        
               | layer8 wrote:
               | Don't do that outside though! You'll get ads for
               | gastrointestinal medication.
        
             | jofer wrote:
             | Good luck recognizing that level of detail! This isn't that
             | type of imagery. You can tell just barely tell a truck from
             | a car and can definitely tell the color of the vehicle, but
             | that's about it. You're describing 1cm imagery from drones,
             | not satellite imagery.
             | 
             | Regardless, insurance companies are big customers for
             | similar reasons. Recognizing swimming pools in imagery is
             | tougher than you'd think, but a classic thing (and real)
             | that gets brought up is your insurance company raising your
             | rates because you put in a pool and didn't tell them.
             | Insurance companies would love to (and sometimes do) detect
             | that from satellite imagery instead of boots on the ground.
             | 
             | Either way, those are big companies / big contracts, rather
             | than individuals buying imagery directly.
        
               | GasTrader wrote:
               | Actually the roof example can be done at scale cheap
               | enough for a local contractor to market. I'd use
               | hyperspectral but 30 cm optical might work in sure 10cm
               | would. Thanks for the suggestion!
        
               | heliodor wrote:
               | In Puerto Rico, roofs are flat and get dirty within a few
               | months. You absolutely can easily determine when it was
               | last powerwashed as well as when it was last sealed.
               | 
               | Sealing will leave you with a pure white roof for about a
               | month or two. Powerwashing will leave you will light to
               | medium gray. They'll turn dark gray to black within a few
               | months in the parts where the water pools.
        
               | oakwhiz wrote:
               | It's different for dyed sealant, but there is a time
               | while the work is being done where old sections are
               | stripped back and the new material is drying. Lots of
               | false positives from HVAC work etc. though.
        
           | lukefischer wrote:
           | A frequent comment we get is "there's no consumer market
           | cause it's been tried before"...false. Of course there has
           | not been a consumer adoption because you have to buy huge
           | chunks of earth, enter a contract for 5-6 figures, and the
           | whole process takes months and months. Previous business
           | model before we started was like Uber saying, "contact sales
           | if you want a ride and they'll get you a custom quote for the
           | year with a minimum price of $10,000". Uber would've lasted a
           | couple weeks with that mindset. So why has the EO industry
           | persisted, cause there has been no other options and the Govt
           | has been the largest spender.
        
           | lukefischer wrote:
           | we are STARTING with satellite imagery. drones, airplanes,
           | stratospheric balloons are all in our partnerships. also
           | partnering with analytic companies.
        
             | hammock wrote:
             | I want ultra high res for art. Can't wait
        
           | AlotOfReading wrote:
           | Depending on what you consider "viable", there's the
           | potential for a few hundred every couple months from
           | archaeologists (I used to be one). Every working
           | archaeologist needs high resolution imagery as cheaply as
           | possible on a fairly regular basis.
        
             | jofer wrote:
             | Oh, agreed! There's definitely a market there. A lot of my
             | friends are archaeologists (I'm a geologist), and I've
             | heard many stories of "if only I could get your company to
             | sell me imagery instead of blowing me off because we can't
             | buy enough". Similarly, my mom was a mine inspector for
             | years (mostly open gravel pits). This sort of imagery would
             | have saved her state department a ton in travel costs, as
             | most of the "boots on the ground" checks were "did a ton of
             | gravel make it into the creek downstream after that big
             | rain". You still have to go out there for water
             | samples/etc, but just getting up to date info on large
             | scale runoff is huge, as you can get out there before the
             | mine can hide the event or claim it didn't come from them.
             | 
             | The issue, historically, is that these cases didn't make
             | for large enough contracts for an imaging company to work
             | with. Would you rather chase one $2 billion contract or
             | 1000 $1000 contracts? (No, the amounts aren't the same
             | either -- that's the point.)
             | 
             | It's not that the demand isn't there, it's that most
             | companies focus exclusively on the very large contracts, as
             | they're more lucrative.
        
         | teamskyfi wrote:
         | SkyFi team here. We did fight hard to make the minimum size of
         | the image lower than current industry standards. Many use cases
         | don't need large swaths and it helps bring down the minimum
         | price - making it more accessible. We also have one individual
         | EULA for all of our data providers which is not currently
         | standard for the industry. We are working on leading the Earth
         | observation industry towards transparent pricing. It makes it a
         | lot easier for the customer, which is our primary focus.
        
           | tomjen3 wrote:
           | It is pretty cool and I was looking for a picture of my
           | grandparents place as a gift they wouldn't buy since they
           | don't know it can be made, but the mininum 5k area neglects
           | that purpose. They aren't technical at all, but the idea that
           | something so advanced as a satellite could take a picture of
           | their house would blow their minds.
           | 
           | I completely understand if my request is impossible, but at
           | least one other commenter mentioned this idea in the thread,
           | and I think it would be a pretty common thing.
           | 
           | One other point. Would it be possible to subscribe to an area
           | and get notified when photos become available?
           | 
           | Actually a final point: on the website it mentions the
           | technical resolution of the images. Could you have one
           | example of each size photo that I can see? 500cm doesn't
           | really mean anything to me, nor does multispectural.
        
             | GasTrader wrote:
             | An existing image that is recent may cost 20 to 30 bucks at
             | 5sqkm. Perhaps that would work. Existing images might only
             | be a week old.
        
             | tgsovlerkhgsel wrote:
             | Why is the 5 sqkm min area a problem? If you're getting 1
             | px per meter, it doesn't matter how much irrelevant area
             | gets captured around your area of interest (and existing
             | imagery prices are low enough that it shouldn't be a
             | problem).
             | 
             | That said, I suspect Google Maps and other public mapping
             | services likely already have higher resolution pictures.
             | Like you said, I also can't really imagine much under the
             | "100 cm" description, but zooming in on a random place of
             | middle-of-nowhere, Alaska, I can clearly make out the
             | triangular shape of tree shadows that measure around 6
             | meters length-wise, so I assume the resolution is better
             | than "100 cm". Middle-of-nowhere Siberia was worse, but in
             | a random 360 people village I could clearly distinguish
             | left and right tire tracks.
             | 
             | I only see very few benefits a service selling historical
             | pictures would provide for curiosity/novelty/hobbyist use
             | cases - specific times (including newer imagery) that
             | aren't available in the Google Earth history, getting the
             | picture officially and without watermarks rather than
             | having to screenshot or otherwise extract it, and maybe
             | some edge cases in terms of areas covered.
             | 
             | Being able to request a _new_ picture is much more
             | interesting, but I suspect at the resolutions available, it
             | won 't be too useful either (edit: again - for
             | curiosity/novelty/hobbyist use cases, for which pricing
             | will also be a big hurdle).
        
       | amelius wrote:
       | What are people using these images for? Just curious.
        
         | lukefischer wrote:
         | we could talk all day about use cases...trading, agriculture,
         | real estate, insurance, curiosity, reporting, etc etc etc
        
       | gist wrote:
       | I was not able to find a way to see (prior to purchase) the age
       | of the stock image (is that info on the site?). Also if you order
       | a new image how do you know it will be taken when no clouds (or
       | is that just obvious they only take when not obstructed (and by
       | how much)?
        
       | divvyy wrote:
       | This is a horrendous privacy violation. Being able to purchase
       | high resolution, newly-created images of arbitrary locations is
       | way over the line of an acceptable offering. This will be used to
       | stalk and harass individuals. There's no mention on their website
       | of how they plan to prevent this type of intrusive surveillance
       | either.
       | 
       | Loads of people complain about the NSA's bulk data collection for
       | the purposes of national security, but we barely see any
       | opposition to bulk aerial surveillance imaging such as this,
       | despite it being even more of a privacy breach due lack of
       | safeguards around who can obtain and exploit such data.
        
         | version_five wrote:
         | Others have pointed out that this is already possible. This
         | offering seems to be more targeted at small scale or personal
         | use, which I think is the least concerning.
         | 
         | Google street view already exists as well, and I can, for not
         | much more than this service costs, go pretty much anywhere
         | within a few thousand km and look at something.
         | 
         | What we should be concerned about is large scale corporate uses
         | of this data, which have been going on for years. For example,
         | insurance companies or municipalities using satellite images to
         | see if you make any changes to your property. Or license plate
         | scanners for that matter.
         | 
         | Without dwelling on it, governments and companies want to apply
         | our new ability to record everything always to a system of laws
         | that were written when you couldn't. Laws and rules are
         | flexible in how and when they are enforced for a reason, and
         | any benefit from new surveillance accrues only to the
         | government or company.
        
         | bookofjoe wrote:
         | That ship sailed a long, long time ago.
        
           | divvyy wrote:
           | That doesn't mean we shouldn't complain about services that
           | launch even more of such ships.
           | 
           | This offering is a stalker's delight. The only thing that
           | would make it worse is if they paid people to turn up to a
           | specified location and take photos, like some sort of Uber
           | for creeps.
           | 
           | At minimum, they should have a form where you can opt out of
           | having your home included in this sold imagery. Better would
           | be to notify all property owners and dwellers within a
           | photographed region that the imagery has been purchased, with
           | an option to opt-out. Best of all would be if everyone being
           | photographed had to opt-in before a sale could be made. That
           | would be a company taking privacy seriously rather than
           | trying to profit from breaching it in bulk.
        
             | heliodor wrote:
             | We also have private investigators walking by the front of
             | your house. This is no different.
        
         | crazygringo wrote:
         | You've always been able to hire a pilot to take photos from a
         | small plane, for much of the populated earth.
         | 
         | This isn't any different. Just cheaper and easier.
         | 
         | Nobody has any expectation of privacy from the sky, any more
         | than they do from a public street.
         | 
         | Also, I'm not sure taking a single photo at some arbitrary time
         | over the next few days is particularly useful or cost-effective
         | for "stalking".
        
           | divvyy wrote:
           | That was problematic too. Making such surveillance imagery
           | even more easily obtainable is even worse, especially
           | considering the power of gathering multiple sets of data and
           | correlating the findings. It doesn't have to be a single
           | photo, a stalker could purchase multiple photos of multiple
           | locations of interest on a regular basis.
           | 
           | In terms of potential harm, it's like the difference between
           | a handgun and nuclear bomb.
        
             | GasTrader wrote:
             | Hello,SkyFI founder and majority share holder. Satellite
             | imagery as a stalking tool is more science fiction/ fantasy
             | for a number of reasons.
             | 
             | 1. Resolution just isn't sharp enough and never will be to
             | discern individual persons identity.
             | 
             | 2. Latency, it takes time to upload an order the order.
             | Satellite has to pass iber a groundstation to receive
             | command,then be in pistion to take photo then pass iver
             | ground station to download. Then go to post processing, QC
             | then delivery. While latency may improve ot would ne
             | uneconomic and practically useless due to 1. 3. Clouds.
             | Unfotunately clouds appear and would make persistent
             | surveillance even if you had the resolution(you don't)
             | unlikely.
             | 
             | It's much easier and cheaper and infinitely more effective
             | to use tags,ad tech on mobile phones and plain on PI for
             | that type of stalking.
             | 
             | I hope this clarifies your concerns
        
             | crazygringo wrote:
             | I don't really see how this is such a serious problem.
             | Again, there isn't a right to privacy from the air.
             | 
             | And if someone wants to stalk you, it's far more cost-
             | effective to hire someone to follow you physically. This
             | doesn't change that. And just to be clear, I'm obviously
             | not condoning stalking. Just saying this is a pretty bad
             | tool for it.
             | 
             | So I don't see anything "nuclear" about this whatsoever.
             | 
             | (Also to be clear, the _highest_ resolution available is
             | half-meter. All you can do is basically figure out whether
             | a car is present somewhere and its approximate color
             | _maybe_. It 's hard to establish the presence of a human at
             | all, and you _certainly_ can 't tell who they are or read a
             | license plate or anything even close to that.)
        
       | TigeriusKirk wrote:
       | I saw this linked somewhere yesterday and bought an existing
       | image of my neighborhood from late last year. Resolution is 0.75
       | meter. I'd describe it as notably worse than what's on Google
       | Maps (which might be aerial survey), but several years more
       | recent.
       | 
       | I have no particular use for it other than curiosity, from that
       | perspective it was worth $20.
        
         | lukefischer wrote:
         | really depends on the use case and for some reasons Google
         | Earth is just fine
        
       | bookofjoe wrote:
       | I wonder how long until you can buy the ability to aim a
       | satellite using your phone and take just the picture -- with the
       | exact resolution -- that you want. Not if but when....
        
         | adgjlsfhk1 wrote:
         | the resolution is hard limited by satellite size, and there's
         | no reason to aim when you can just deploy enough to cover
         | everything.
        
           | lukefischer wrote:
           | kind of true but it's also orbit positioning VLEO can have
           | much better image quality than LEO if comparing apples to
           | apples. There is a cost and that cost is atmospheric friction
           | and energy use which can degrade the satellite faster
        
       | nileshtrivedi wrote:
       | What I'd like is to have this image then be uploaded in Google
       | Maps' satelite layer for everyone's benefit. Or OpenStreetMap for
       | that matter.
        
         | amelius wrote:
         | Copyright will prevent that from happening, I'm guessing.
        
         | bornfreddy wrote:
         | As sibling said, copyright won't let you do that. But there is
         | lots of imagery already available that can be used more freely
         | [0], though usually not in high resolution - enough for some
         | cases, not enough for others.
         | 
         | [0] https://apps.sentinel-hub.com/eo-browser/ (still check
         | usage conditions)
        
           | pbhjpbhj wrote:
           | Copyright isn't supposed to apply to non-artistic images. Is
           | the jurisdiction USA, do you know of caselaw that's relevant
           | here? Thanks.
        
       | alberth wrote:
       | Question: what service is better than Google Earth for aerial
       | images for individuals to use?
       | 
       | Something with a resolution of 1 foot or better.
       | 
       | I use to use https://zoom.earth/ which was ok, but their high res
       | image support ends this month.
       | 
       | Note: I'm willing to pay but don't need a corp contract from
       | someone like DigitalGlobe. It's just for my on land.
        
         | thatwasunusual wrote:
         | I bought a drone. It does the work fantastically, and I can
         | send it up every f-ing day.
        
           | lukefischer wrote:
           | Drones are great, hard to scale and provide value to the
           | masses that don't have drones though
        
       | m348e912 wrote:
       | Has anyone been able to select their highest resolution option to
       | buy? Looks like its not available for unregistered users at
       | least.
        
       | rsync wrote:
       | Good news / bad news ...
       | 
       | The good news is, after overcoming confusion and annoyance about
       | "launching" their website I was able to quickly and easily
       | define, select and purchase an image.
       | 
       | The _bad news_ is that I have dollar-votes that I can cast in the
       | marketplace and I just _voted for a product that reshapes my
       | cursor to some cutesy thing for no good reason_.
        
       | dougmwne wrote:
       | Also I have used this company to monitor things like road and
       | other infrastructure construction. Images most of the planet
       | daily.
       | 
       | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Labs
        
         | lukefischer wrote:
         | its a great resource. more options the better with varying
         | resolutions and sensor types
        
       | teruakohatu wrote:
       | > Please make sure that provider and SkyFi attribution is clearly
       | visible on all shared images.
       | 
       | Can you crop the images?
       | 
       | > nor can you sell products you create that contain the images
       | themselves.
       | 
       | Can you sell a commercial report containing the images?
       | 
       | Can the images be published in an journal?
        
         | version_five wrote:
         | Wait, does that mean the image has watermarks on it? I was just
         | contemplating ordering one of a property we have to make a
         | poster. Having a watermark rules that out
        
           | GasTrader wrote:
           | Watermark will not be on image.
        
       | lukefischer wrote:
       | Biased being the CEO but just gotta say the comments are great
       | and will help us better serve you all and the rest of the world
        
         | coder543 wrote:
         | Do you plan to sell off-nadir imagery too? It's one thing I
         | notice that seems to be missing, and I think that can create
         | some of the coolest looking satellite photos.
         | 
         | Although, I wish your license actually allowed me to sell the
         | photos if I pay for the satellite tasking. It could make for
         | some cool t-shirts or something!
        
           | lukefischer wrote:
           | Off nadir is something in the roadmap. This was our first
           | baby step in launching last week. It's trick to sell
           | imagery...you can sell the derivative works so let me do some
           | more clarification on the t-shirt idea...i like it and would
           | buy one!
        
       | chadd wrote:
       | Last year, I was hiking with a crew of Scouts in Philmont, New
       | Mexico, and at one point used my Garmin inReach to send a text
       | via Satellite to a friend to tell them where we were and that we
       | were safe.
       | 
       | At that point I said to the group - when you come back here with
       | your families, you won't need to do this - they'll pay $40/month
       | to watch a real-time live video feed, from space, in 4k, of our
       | 12 day hike.... This is a step toward that future.
        
         | lukefischer wrote:
         | Another use great use case! Using thermal cameras in the future
         | would also allow you to see through some of the vegetation.
         | Search and rescue is a great area to enhance since it's all
         | about speed.
        
       | m3kw9 wrote:
       | Wouldn't this be regulated like encryption if the resolution is
       | too fine?
        
         | lukefischer wrote:
         | Every country is different. NOAA regulates this for US based
         | sensors for the commercial sector. More regulation is coming
         | eventually just like every other emerging industry
        
       | slowhadoken wrote:
       | "you're purchasing a license to a digital image." Lame.
        
         | ledauphin wrote:
         | i mean - very few photographers sell their copyright. a lot
         | depends on the terms of the license though.
        
           | tubatime wrote:
           | A reasonable expectation might be that at least for new
           | imagery this is "work for hire".
        
             | kevin_thibedeau wrote:
             | They already collected the data and are just giving you a
             | part of their independent work under license.
        
       | ledauphin wrote:
       | does anyone with expertise know how this resolution compares to
       | Google Maps or other "free" providers?
        
         | lucb1e wrote:
         | Resolution will be worse.
         | 
         | Age ought to be better unless you got very lucky that a plane
         | just flew over and the footage was uploaded very fast
         | afterwards.
         | 
         | It's a bit like asking how the resolution of your upcoming spy
         | satellite compares to the people you currently have on the
         | ground shooting with analog film. It'll be worse, but that's
         | not the only aspect.
        
         | Karliss wrote:
         | They have resolution samples here https://app.skyfi.com/sample-
         | preview .
        
       | KingLancelot wrote:
       | [dead]
        
       | thinkingemote wrote:
       | Are the images orthorectified? I imagine they have some kind of
       | georectification at least, but correction for ground , mountains
       | etc is kind of important for measurements for distances and area
       | and for tracing etc
        
       | yboris wrote:
       | For all their talk about "high resolution" there is nothing in
       | the FAQ (or anywhere else I've found) to what that means. _How
       | many pixels do you get per square meter on the ground?_ That 's
       | the only meaningful measure, and it's lacking.
       | 
       | Am I missing something?
        
         | lolc wrote:
         | I too was wondering about the resolution. Found it in the FAQ:
         | 
         | > Our current spatial resolutions range from 50cm to 3m for our
         | optical sensors and 5m for our hyperspectral sensor. SkyFi will
         | be frequently updating and adding higher resolutions.
         | 
         | https://www.skyfi.com/faqs
        
         | version_five wrote:
         | You are missing something. Resolution is the feature size on
         | the ground that can be resolved. So (to simpiify) if it's 0.5m
         | resolution, and I have some much smaller, but bright reflector
         | on the ground, you will see it blurred out to look 0.5m wide.
         | It could be a couple pixels wide, it could be a thousand if you
         | want to up sample it, the point is you won't see small stuff.
         | This is why pixels are not mentioned
        
       | pmoriarty wrote:
       | I heard an interesting interview recently with someone who uses
       | satellite imagery to trade stocks.
       | 
       | According to him there are data vendors who use such imagery to
       | do things like (for example) look at how full the parking lots of
       | certain retail stores are and then use that information to help
       | them estimate how successful these businesses really are, and
       | make stock trades based on that.
        
         | culi wrote:
         | Even governments use this technology to calculate how high
         | stockpiles of certain minerals or resources are based on
         | shadows and time of day
        
         | heipei wrote:
         | Yes, though at this point I'd say this is old news and table
         | stakes, so I expect everyone to be using this type of data
         | already. As an example, Orbital Insights began tracking 250k
         | parking lots across 96 retail chains at least all the way back
         | to 2017. Same for things like monitoring gas silo levels via
         | satellite imagery, etc. If you read it on the blog of one of
         | the many sat image providers I would assume there to be no more
         | competitive advantage to be had, unless you can read additional
         | information from that data that other traders might have
         | missed.
        
         | janalsncm wrote:
         | Was it Jacob Goldstein's interview with Planet?
         | 
         | https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/whats-your-problem/seeing-da...
        
         | lukefischer wrote:
         | It's true and part of our origin story
        
       | cornstalks wrote:
       | > _When placing a SkyFi order for Existing or New Images, you're
       | purchasing a license to a digital image._
       | 
       | I was curious what the license was and found their FAQ, for those
       | curious:
       | 
       | > _What is SkyFi's licensing policy?_
       | 
       | > _SkyFi has the most user-friendly licensing in the satellite
       | industry. You are free to share purchased images on the web and
       | social media (and we encourage you to tag us @SkyFi.App or
       | #SkyFi). Please make sure that provider and SkyFi attribution is
       | clearly visible on all shared images. You are also free to use
       | the images to do analysis and sell the results of that analysis.
       | You cannot re-sell images you purchase on the SkyFi platform, nor
       | can you sell products you create that contain the images
       | themselves. Please click here for more information on the SkyFi
       | EULA (End User License Agreement)._
       | 
       | Seems fairly reasonable, though I haven't read the full EULA.
       | 
       | I wish I was creative enough to have some cool ideas I could do
       | with this imagery.
        
         | TheJoeMan wrote:
         | I have to hard disagree on the reasonableness of a licensed
         | image. Firstly, I'm the one framing the shot. This isn't a
         | photographer making art, this is me paying a company to point a
         | camera at xyz coordinates and capture the earth as it is,
         | unprocessed. So if I personally plan out the perfect beautiful
         | shot, now SkyFi gets to pitch it to others to make additional
         | money off it?
         | 
         | Secondly, calling this "democratized" satellite imagery is a
         | farce. Democratized to me means here's the pixels you bought,
         | it's yours to do whatever you want with.
        
           | mlindner wrote:
           | I didn't read their site in detail, but usually you're not
           | actually framing the shot. You're buying images that they've
           | already taken. Imaging satellites don't let you task the
           | angle or direction and they simply continuously take pictures
           | of anything underneath them as they pass overhead.
        
             | jffry wrote:
             | The linked page prominently talks about pricing for
             | existing images from a catalog of existing images, OR
             | paying for an entirely new image
        
         | tomjen3 wrote:
         | Their final point means that you can't use these in a youtube
         | video, even if you only show them for a few seconds and spend
         | way more than the cost of these images on your video.
        
           | rmorey wrote:
           | Is that true? I would think a YouTube video would fall under
           | the first part, sharing on the web/social media. You don't
           | sell a YouTube video, you distribute it
        
             | kyawzazaw wrote:
             | There are people doing reactions to content so I feel like
             | an analysis that includes the video from SkyFi should be
             | okay.
        
         | pbhjpbhj wrote:
         | This is a contract of sale? There's no copyright, surely, as
         | they're but creative images - they bound by technical
         | restrictions not artistic ones. AIUI slavish recreations don't
         | attract copyright.
         | 
         | Maybe in USA there's a carve-in for satellite images?
         | 
         | Not sure how space treaties fit with copyright; what's the
         | jurisdiction, is it where the satellite was launched from?
        
       | gghffguhvc wrote:
       | Just used the iPhone app to purchase an image. Pretty easy
       | experience. Sign in with Apple, pay with Apple Pay was slick.
       | Just one defect when toggling to medium resolution and back to
       | check price difference changed capture area from 25km^2 to some
       | large area but not back which was not intuitive. My image will be
       | ready inside two weeks which seems reasonable.
        
       | cozzyd wrote:
       | Is this just a reseller for Maxar imagery?
       | 
       | FYI if you're working on a federal grant, you technically have
       | access to Maxar imagery for free for legitimate purposes via the
       | NextView license, though in practice getting access is a bit
       | harder (if you work in polar programs, the Polar Geospatial
       | Center will help...).
        
         | lukefischer wrote:
         | no, not just a reseller. resellers are just a sales channel and
         | don't negotiate on process or price on behalf of the customer.
         | we do
        
       | yellow_lead wrote:
       | Is there any restriction around military bases or can I buy one
       | pointed at Area 51, or Russian military bases, or certain
       | conflict areas in Ukraine?
        
         | lukefischer wrote:
         | First image I got was of Area 51 and Russian troop build ups
         | last Feb
        
         | lelag wrote:
         | If not, I was thinking this type of services could be a boon to
         | moderately-funded OSINT organisations as it would make you able
         | to get fresh satellite imagery very easy and accessible.
        
           | mNovak wrote:
           | There's been heavy use of these kinds of services for exactly
           | this purpose. See [1] for example. Typically airbases, mass
           | graves, bridges; things we know won't move or change too
           | fast.
           | 
           | [1] https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-
           | repo...
        
       | kepler1 wrote:
       | Except imagery of Israel, right? For some reason we give them a
       | special pass to not be subject to the same scrutiny and concerns
       | as other places, huh?
        
       | lukefischer wrote:
       | We got the feedback on the cursor. Changing it back as I type,
       | lol. Message received :)
        
       | jebarker wrote:
       | I dislike that this website replaces my cursor with a circle. Is
       | there any good reason to do that?
        
         | stefan_ wrote:
         | I like how it goes from full black to full white background.
         | Anything to blast my eyes.
        
         | cmrdporcupine wrote:
         | It actually is making my mouse cursor disappear entirely
         | (Chrome on MacOS). It's like they built it only for
         | touchscreens?
         | 
         | I expect I'll never go back and use it now. Jeez, who signed
         | off on this?
        
           | culi wrote:
           | Do you have javascript disabled? Some design heavy sites like
           | to replace the default cursor. The CSS standard[0] still only
           | really supports the few custom cursors that we've had for
           | decades now and provides no way to style them so the only way
           | to achieve this is through javascript currently
           | 
           | [0] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/cursor
        
             | cmrdporcupine wrote:
             | No, but it might uBlock origin blocking something, I dunno.
             | 
             | I went into devtools and modified the CSS attribute and was
             | able to get past it.
             | 
             | Dumb.
        
           | lukefischer wrote:
           | Thanks for the feedback. We may go back. I signed off on it
        
           | entropie wrote:
           | > It actually is making my mouse cursor disappear entirely
           | 
           | Same. Brave on Windows
        
         | lukefischer wrote:
         | just submitted the design change to go back to the regular
         | cursor...thought we were being cool, guess not lol
        
         | lukefischer wrote:
         | It's all opinions but good feedback. The cursor was a design
         | choice. We may go back
        
           | alberth wrote:
           | Luke, any chance you could resell Maxar 15cm imagery? (Or if
           | something is better, that)
           | 
           | Dealing with their sales process is horrible. I'd love to buy
           | it from you given how easy you make it.
           | 
           | https://blog.maxar.com/earth-
           | intelligence/2020/introducing-1...
        
             | lukefischer wrote:
             | That's the goal...we have some interesting partnerships and
             | a partner of ours is Albedo- 10cm resolution. A lot of our
             | work deals with negotations to get them to believe the
             | mission. Most have incentive to keep selling to the Govt,
             | which I totally understand.
        
               | alberth wrote:
               | Two follow up questions.
               | 
               | 1. Isn't Albedo fake "10cm". Meaning aren't they using
               | 50cm imagery and apply computations to it to "simulate"
               | 10cm.
               | 
               | The image on this blog post, when zoomed in is actually
               | quite bad
               | 
               | https://albedo.com/post/albedo-simulated-imagery
               | 
               | 2. Can you explain why you mean when you say "most have
               | incentivizes to keep selling to govt".
               | 
               | Are you implying they can't work with you?
        
           | virgulino wrote:
           | Firefox 109.0 on Windows 10 shows no cursor at all. It is not
           | possible to use the site.
        
           | cjensen wrote:
           | Be aware that MacOS/Safari still has occasional bugs where
           | the cursor shape gets stuck on whatever the web page switched
           | it to. I know how to deal with that, but it's an annoyance
           | when it happens.
        
           | agolio wrote:
           | I like it FWIW :) maybe removing it on information pages like
           | for pricing and keeping it on the landing page with the
           | interactive glove is a good compromise
        
         | Finnucane wrote:
         | Ok my iPad it makes a dot where I touch the screen. It does
         | seem like an irrelevant distraction.
         | 
         | Also, it would be nice to be able to search for available
         | images without the app.
        
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       | mrahmadawais wrote:
       | Oh what has the world come to. This is amazing.
        
       | daemonhunter wrote:
       | Custom mouse cursor, how 90s.
        
         | lukefischer wrote:
         | It was a design choice we made obviously. Probably gonna go
         | back
        
         | gwking wrote:
         | On macOS Safari, it causes the mouse to disappear when you
         | transition from the browser window to another screen. I can't
         | help but wonder how much money they spent creating that
         | nuisance.
        
         | mistrial9 wrote:
         | in fact, there was a 90s website that sold high resolution
         | satellite imagery prints, called Pictopia
        
       | JumpCrisscross wrote:
       | I'm generally sceptical of latent EO, but I've never seen such a
       | slick B2C play.
       | 
       | Few thoughts:
       | 
       | (1) Depending on your acquisition contracts, you may have
       | scattered access to historic imaging. For a consumer, having an
       | image of my house around _e.g._ the time of a break-in is
       | valuable. (As a party trick, recent imagery will work in a way
       | "wait a day" doesn't.)
       | 
       | (2) You've heard this, but it bears repeating: four hours is an
       | order of magnitude more valuable than 24 and an order less than
       | one. You should be able to predict fast-return windows, given
       | orbits and ground station coordinates, for a given AOI. Bonus:
       | natural time pressure on the sale.
       | 
       | (3) Multispectral options unclear. May be worth discriminating by
       | band.
       | 
       | (4) Exclusivity pricing. Where you sell the image to me, fully,
       | and without retaining the right to re-sell it to anyone else.
       | 
       | There also appears to be a name collision with an Israeli ISP?
        
         | lukefischer wrote:
         | Excellent thoughts! Once more supply comes then there is
         | obviously more consumer optionality (time of a break in). We
         | test internally on ordering a New Image via tasking a satellite
         | (aka pass prediction) but I'm not willing to release it to the
         | wild until its reliable and a magical experience. We aren't
         | there yet.
         | 
         | Speed of delivery is extremely important. Again, more supply
         | means better speed and future tech will enable downloads
         | faster.
         | 
         | Copy all on multispectral and will put that into the pipe to
         | clear up re: bands
         | 
         | Exclusivity pricing is interesting and what we talk about a
         | lot. It's a tougher problem because you may buy that image from
         | us from a specific provider but then another provider could
         | take the same exact image and it's not unique anymore.
         | Regardless, will work on it and if there is enough demand then
         | I'm all about it.
        
       | justicz wrote:
       | I'm really excited for this. I thought this was what the company
       | Planet (planet.com) was going to be, but when I actually tried to
       | buy images from them it went through a complicated sales process
       | I couldn't easily complete. I felt like I clearly wasn't the
       | target customer. I love websites with an "add to cart" button
       | instead of a "contact sales" button :)
        
         | justicz wrote:
         | It would be really cool if I could upload a short python
         | snippet/map-reduce job to run a piece of code over the entire
         | globe. Could be super useful for e.g. counting all of the solar
         | farms in the world.
        
         | lukefischer wrote:
         | I despise "contact sales" and why I essentially outlawed it at
         | the company.
        
       | CPLX wrote:
       | I saw this on Twitter last night and bought two pictures. They
       | were from the existing images feature at the highest resolution.
       | 
       | The images totally sucked. They were blurry, and the experience
       | was completely confusing since the sort of preview type map
       | making image where you move the square around was very clear and
       | sharp, and then the one I ordered was totally unusable for
       | anything.
        
         | lukefischer wrote:
         | What were you trying to use it for? Happy to give a full refund
         | if you didn't get what you wanted. Email or chat with our
         | customer support and give them the details.
        
       | rsync wrote:
       | I need this, as in, today.
       | 
       | I am ready to make an immediate purchase. I want to give them my
       | money.
       | 
       | But all I see is "launch skyfi" ... and, of course, I don't want
       | to "launch" anything. I want to enter simple information into a
       | web form and hit a submit button.
       | 
       | I do not need an app install or a telephone. All I need is a web
       | browser.
       | 
       | Is it actually impossible to purchase one of these images from
       | their actual website ?
        
         | carbocation wrote:
         | I felt the same way but clicked "Launch skyfi" anyways. It
         | takes you to a login form in the browser. Bad name for a link.
        
           | version_five wrote:
           | I clicked the button, on my phone, and got page that said
           | it's best viewed in the app, and a link to the app store,
           | with no other option                 SkyFi is an easy-to-use
           | mobile or desktop app that allows you to get satellite
           | imagery of any place in the world at any given time. SkyFi is
           | creating a marketplace for businesses and consumers alike to
           | capture earth observation data to make better informed
           | business decisions, capture life's most precious memories,
           | and more. The SkyFi App, thanks to its satellite partners,
           | allows customers to either order a New Image, where a
           | satellite in-orbit is ordered to capture an Area of Interest
           | for a date in the future, or select an Existing Image from
           | our database of hundreds of previously-captured images. The
           | best part? This can all be done from your phone, tablet, or
           | computer.
           | 
           | This is completely unwanted, I agree with the person at the
           | top of the thread.
        
         | cridenour wrote:
         | That button just opens a web app in your browser though. Did
         | you not try it?
        
           | rsync wrote:
           | No, I didn't.
           | 
           | I also didn't try the "culture" link in their page footer ...
           | since I had the same interest in their culture as I had in
           | "launching" anything.
           | 
           | OK, onward ...
        
             | tubatime wrote:
             | Are you this insufferable in real life too? Do you harass
             | the wait-staff when the menu says "surcharge" but you think
             | it should say "fee"? What other ways should the entire
             | world cater to your trivial preferences?
        
               | ademup wrote:
               | Down voted because the entirely of this message is
               | directed at the poster and nowhere near the topic.
        
           | layer8 wrote:
           | On mobile it redirects you to the app-store apps.
        
         | josephpmay wrote:
         | You can do exactly that from this link:
         | https://app.skyfi.com/welcome
        
           | elitepleb wrote:
           | Had to switch browsers on desktop for it not to show: "SkyFi
           | on mobile is best viewed on our app."
        
         | lukefischer wrote:
         | We have to have an interface that pulls in options. But good
         | feedback and would like to know specifics of how you'd intend
         | to purchase
        
       | einpoklum wrote:
       | Issues:
       | 
       | 1. "resolution (available in medium, high, or very high)" <- so,
       | they're not willing to tell me what the resolution is? Is it a
       | secret?
       | 
       | 2. I don't like it that there's an app for doing stuff. I don't
       | want their app. I just want to (maybe) buy an image.
       | 
       | 3. Why is there a 25 Km^2 minimum? That's huge. Can they really
       | not capture smaller areas? I may want to get a satellite image of
       | my home town or village (not city).
        
       | conor_f wrote:
       | I honestly expected the resolution to be better? The sample
       | preview (https://app.skyfi.com/sample-preview) really isn't that
       | great? Where it the idea this is 50cm resolution from?
        
         | qwertox wrote:
         | That's about what you get with a satellite. What maps like
         | Google contain is aerial imagery.
         | 
         | Here's [0] an interesting What If (XKCD) which deals with the
         | resolution of the Hubble Space telescope if it were pointed at
         | the earth.
         | 
         | [0] https://what-if.xkcd.com/32/
        
           | askvictor wrote:
           | I'm curious for a re-write of this for JWST
        
         | IceWreck wrote:
         | https://app.skyfi.com/explore is much better than the sample
         | preview at https://app.skyfi.com/sample-preview which is weird
         | cause they claim that the sample preview is fully processed and
         | better.
         | 
         | But it looks like explore is based on google earth. So the free
         | preview is better than the paid thing ?
        
           | coder543 wrote:
           | A lot of Google Maps "satellite" imagery is actually aerial
           | imagery, not satellite. Getting that kind of detail and
           | resolution with satellite photos is extremely hard /
           | expensive.
           | 
           | If you want up to date imagery, you could certainly choose to
           | task an airplane yourself, but that is going to cost a lot
           | more than what SkyFi is charging for one-off satellite
           | images.
           | 
           | So, no, the free "preview" is not better than the paid thing,
           | and the reason they're using Google Maps is clearly to help
           | you precisely mark the area that you want them to capture.
        
         | invalidator wrote:
         | Did you zoom in? When I zoom in on one of the major
         | intersections and look at the cars, it looks about right. Half-
         | meter resolution means that each car should be several blurry
         | pixels wide, and that's what I get.
        
           | alberth wrote:
           | When I zoom into my property, a Google logo is display. So I
           | assume they are sourcing from them.
        
             | [deleted]
        
             | qwertox wrote:
             | The explorer is actually Google Maps. It looks like they
             | are using it for you to have a tool to select the area that
             | interests you.
             | 
             | Maybe there should be a disclaimer.
        
           | 7ewis wrote:
           | I zoomed in, was also disappointed. Don't know the use case
           | for these photos, but when you compare it to the quality of
           | say a drone photo, SkyFi is nowhere near as good.
           | 
           | I'm sure there must be a market for these photos, but for
           | most people I think a drone is probably better and more cost
           | effective.
        
             | lukefischer wrote:
             | we have drone partnerships, airplane, stratospheric
             | balloons, etc and are just STARTING with satellites. Drone
             | imagery is better but a problem of scale but we are trying
             | to solve that. Think of it not as photos but more so of
             | data....we could never list the complete use cases here
             | because there are so many
        
             | alberth wrote:
             | > but when you compare it to the quality of say a drone
             | photo
             | 
             | Comparing a satellite/plane photo to a drone is apples to
             | oranges.
             | 
             | There's no way to scale a business in providing global
             | drone level coverage.
             | 
             | Now there are services that fly planes with high res
             | imagery that can get down to ~20cm. And even these business
             | are super difficult to scale.
        
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         | walnutclosefarm wrote:
         | It looks about right You can plainly see the 5 yd line markers
         | on House Field (in Austin, TX) on the image. Those lines are at
         | most 15cm wide - enough to seriously desaturate the green in
         | any pixel that contains a line, but nowhere near enough to show
         | as a sharp line.
        
         | tgsovlerkhgsel wrote:
         | The 50cm resolution is much better than what I expected (you
         | can clearly see lines that are much less than 50 cm wide), but
         | the 75 cm resolution is much, much worse than the 50cm one. Is
         | it possible that some of the "50 cm" imagery is actually much
         | better than 50 cm (which would defeat the purpose of a sample)?
        
       | ghastmaster wrote:
       | Keep in mind that if you are looking for "Hi-Resolution" images
       | of Israel, the results may be limited by the Kyl Bingaman
       | Amendment.
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyl%E2%80%93Bingaman_Amendment
        
         | thaufeki wrote:
         | Wow its not even an international agreement, it's just straight
         | up an American law for Israel's benefit in particular
        
         | cstejerean wrote:
         | > After a further review in 2019, the NOAA reversed itself and
         | dropped the GSD limit to 0.4m in a decision published in the
         | Federal Register on 21 July 2020.
         | 
         | So I think "high resolution" is fine as it is >= 50cm
        
       | londons_explore wrote:
       | The fact they charge differently for existing vs new images tells
       | me that they will probably let you know which applies before
       | purchase...
       | 
       | And if that's the case, I think there could be a market for a
       | monitoring/alerting system to detect if anyone else orders
       | imagery of your factory/port.
        
       | campchase wrote:
       | Absolutely brutal for the SkyFi team trying to have a relaxing
       | Saturday afternoon - keep up the good work, you nuts.
        
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