[HN Gopher] The 88x31 GIF Collection
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       The 88x31 GIF Collection
        
       Author : zanchey
       Score  : 156 points
       Date   : 2023-01-21 10:43 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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 (TXT) w3m dump (cyber.dabamos.de)
        
       | bluedino wrote:
       | Such a fun way to show all your alliances. AMD, Netscape, your
       | domain provider, your hosting company, a Linux penguin...
        
       | zxcvbn4038 wrote:
       | Seeing a thousand of those images on a single page captures the
       | '90s internet. All it lacks is the giant throbbing pulsating 'N'
       | up in the corner.
        
       | DismantleMars wrote:
       | For anyone wondering "Why 88x31?"
       | 
       | Back in the early days of the internet, a lot of websites were
       | hosted on Geocities, which was popular as it offered free hosting
       | on one condition - you had to embed a small banner into your
       | webpage advertising them. The banner image they provided was
       | 88x31 pixels, and so many Geocities sites would include other
       | external links as 88x31 images so that they matched the
       | dimensions of the mandatory Geocities one.
        
         | pluc wrote:
         | 468x60 was also a thing for banners back then
        
         | ponytech wrote:
         | I was about to ask the question, thanks for the explanation!
        
         | jwilk wrote:
         | But why did Geocities use the 88x31 format?
         | 
         | https://neonaut.neocities.org/cyber/88x31 (link warning: lots
         | of 88x31 GIFs!) says it's likely because the "Netscape Now!"
         | button was of that size.
        
           | ajbt200128 wrote:
           | But why was the Netscape Now button that size? We must go
           | deeper
        
             | gmiller123456 wrote:
             | It's 88x31 GIFs all the way down.
        
             | bjt2n3904 wrote:
             | As it turns out, if you put two horses side by side...
        
               | vasvir wrote:
               | I think the parent refers to that which is a classic one:
               | https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/the-link-between-a-
               | hor...
        
             | blep_ wrote:
             | At the bottom of the stack, the answer is probably either
             | "it fit perfectly in an 88x31 space between some other
             | things on the first page it was used on" or "I drew a
             | rectangle that looked right and didn't bother rounding the
             | numbers".
        
         | CharlesW wrote:
         | But why [did GeoCities pick] 88x31? Weren't they matching the
         | size of the Netscape web badge?
        
       | DanAtC wrote:
       | Here's a search of 88x31 gifs from CDs, disks, and FTP sites on
       | archive.org as indexed by discmaster.textfiles.com:
       | http://discmaster.textfiles.com/search?widthMin=88&heightMin...
        
         | Sembiance wrote:
         | If you extend the range by 1px to be 87x30 to 88x32 you double
         | the amount of results and get those images that are off by 1px:
         | http://discmaster.textfiles.com/search?family=image&widthMin...
        
       | kris_wayton wrote:
       | Google's image search also supports passing "imagesize:WxH",
       | like:
       | 
       | https://www.google.com/search?q=imagesize:88x31&tbm=isch
        
       | stiltzkin10 wrote:
       | All those banners would make an epic poster :O
        
       | harryvederci wrote:
       | > 1011 requests | 9.3 MB transferred | 9.1 MB resources
       | 
       | I was going to warn about this, but then I realized that's
       | probably not even half of the average modern web page size =)
        
         | kevin_thibedeau wrote:
         | Clearly this was the killer app QUIC needed to solve.
        
           | 5e92cb50239222b wrote:
           | If they would just update the server to support HTTP2, it
           | would be 99% there. Living far away from the server I could
           | instantly tell that it was using HTTP/1.1, which was
           | confirmed by looking at the dev tools.
        
       | neilv wrote:
       | These look small on my setup. They used to be displayed 1:1 with
       | low-dpi screen pixels, no scaling.
        
       | lysergia wrote:
       | The 'Best viewed with Internet Explorer'[0] GIF triggers severe
       | nostalgia.
       | 
       | IE was the dominant browser at the time, and these propaganda
       | buttons just reinforced the idea that IE was the only browser you
       | should be using. Still see the odd site saying 'Works best in
       | Chrome' as if Chrome was the new IE.
       | 
       | Personally though, if your site is one of those annoying SPA
       | (Single Page Apps) and doesn't work in Lynx[1], you're doing it
       | wrong IMHO.
       | 
       | Nearly tempted to put a button on my sites saying: 'Best viewed
       | in Lynx'.
       | 
       | [0] https://cyber.dabamos.de/88x31/bestviewed.gif
       | 
       | [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(web_browser)
        
         | Fnoord wrote:
         | The Netscape banners do it for me, as the time when Netscape
         | was dominant was a great time for me. The internet was a huge
         | vault for me, and every time I dialed in I felt that rush.
         | Every minute counted because we paid by the minute.
         | 
         | Netscape is also Mozilla's spiritual father.
         | 
         | Lynx didn't have JS support. Which was a blessing and a curse.
        
         | GalenErso wrote:
         | "Only retards use Internet Explorer"
         | https://cyber.dabamos.de/88x31/ieretards.gif
        
         | chunkyks wrote:
         | Recently enough to have been unacceptable, the director of our
         | internal apps team decided to only support IE when they redid
         | the intranet site. This, in a place that installs Firefox on
         | all endpoints and proxy logs showing less than 50pct IE usage.
         | 
         | He was unamused when I started posting "screenshots" with "best
         | viewed in ie" logos added.
        
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       | pachico wrote:
       | Don't tell me you wouldn't like the web to be, for a couple of
       | hours a day, as it was back then.
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | jwilk wrote:
       | Discussed in 2021:
       | 
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27500624 (124 comments)
        
       | SV_BubbleTime wrote:
       | The WinZip 7 and Sexy Brittney Spears ones really take me back!
        
       | freitzkriesler wrote:
       | Ugh stop it HN, I can only handle so much nostalgia! FYI, in
       | Japan there's a sunset of websites that are meant for a Japanese
       | only audience and the pages are still designed in 'ol faithful
       | web 1.0 designs.
        
         | whstl wrote:
         | That's interesting, I recently had a discussion about how Japan
         | has a bit of a tendency to hang on to fashion for much longer,
         | but applied to music. Like certain styles of metal being
         | popular after decline in the west, 90s Animes with soundtracks
         | that sounded like 80s AOR/R&B, or even 80s-pointy-guitars being
         | used by Japanese indie bands.
         | 
         | And not in a bad way, but more in a "fashion isn't as fleeting
         | in Japan". Also it seems that the new and the old are able to
         | coexist in the mainstream there, more than in the West. But
         | that's of course just an impression, I might be wrong.
        
           | freitzkriesler wrote:
           | You're not wrong at all. It's also out of necessity since
           | most development tools and documentation is EN to JP. Its
           | hard for them to find answers since everything is either in
           | English or outdated.
           | 
           | Regardless, the mentality of ofjit ain't broke don't fix it
           | is well engrained in J culture. It's something that I admire
           | of the Japanese.
        
       | marginalia_nu wrote:
       | There's also: https://gifcities.org/
       | 
       | and I can't help but link to this cozy lil' gem
       | https://www.cameronsworld.net/
        
         | reaperducer wrote:
         | Big blast of nostalgia from that Japanese pagoda image at the
         | top.
         | 
         | It originated as a Commodore 64 320x200 image. Note how there
         | are no color changes between 8x8 pixel blocks.
         | 
         | I forget the artist's first name, but I believe his last name
         | was Sachs. He was a huge deal in 64 art in the 80's, and later
         | transitioned to Amiga.
         | 
         | I think he did a fish tank screen saver, and I seem to recall a
         | video game on the 64 where you flew flying saucers to destroy
         | Washington, DC. Because he was an artist, the graphics were
         | unlike anything else seen at the time on a home computer.
        
           | sedatk wrote:
           | Did you mean ZX Spectrum? Because C64 didn't have any trouble
           | showing multiple colors in 8x8 blocks.
        
             | reaperducer wrote:
             | _C64 didn 't have any trouble showing multiple colors in
             | 8x8 blocks._
             | 
             | In high resolution mode it did, which is the 320x200. You
             | could only have a single foreground color and a background
             | color.
             | 
             | In the low resolution 160x200 mode you could have one
             | background color and three foreground colors in a 4x8
             | square.
             | 
             | I was a computer artist back then, published in several
             | Commodore magazines, and the first thing I had to decide
             | when painting a scene was if I could get away with the
             | 320x200 mode, or settle for 160x200 because I needed more
             | colors closer together.
        
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