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Appalachian Apple hunter who rescued 1k 'lost' varieties (2021)
Author : mooreds
Score : 222 points
Date : 2023-01-22 12:42 UTC (10 hours ago)
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| pfdietz wrote:
| So, what is your favorite apple variety?
|
| The one I'm currently liking is the King David.
| pvaldes wrote:
| That would need to add a month time axis.
|
| My favorite apple for January is Perpetu "Everest", a crab
| apple that is small, hard and edible only in the strict sense,
| but oh, the birds that it attracts in the middle of the
| winter... Is unique in that sense. Unless the other apple
| trees, It keeps the fruits from Dec until March when the birds
| need it most. In your climate the mileage may vary.
|
| For eating, Mingan, Golden or Rubinette are very tasty if
| picked in their moment, but my favorite apple is any resistant
| to the most diseases possible. This means a thick skin.
| leipert wrote:
| Kind of related: in former Eastern Germany they bred all kinds of
| new Pear varieties.
|
| Pears are a little more finicky than apples and the fruit bruise
| more easily. Furthermore a lot of the varieties will go bad
| really quickly, so you basically have to eat them from the tree.
|
| Because of those reasons there are just one or two varieties
| available in stores and there is not a lot of commercial interest
| in Pears. With the end of the GDR, also came the end of Pear
| breeding and there are barely any new breeds in the last 30
| years.
|
| To end on an Apple related note: my favorite GDR breed is the
| ,,Schweizer Orange", ,,Swiss Orange". Which is so ironic because
| there was no access to Switzerland nor good Oranges.
| ranit wrote:
| > Swiss Orange". Which is so ironic because there was no access
| to Switzerland nor good Oranges.
|
| Perhaps this is what made it desirable.
| leipert wrote:
| It's a pretty good Apple as well. Very crisp and more fresh-
| sour after harvest and becomes more sweet when stored for a
| few weeks.
|
| And I stand corrected, it actually is Swiss and was created
| in 1935:
| https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schweizer_Orangenapfel
| 6177c40f wrote:
| I hope some of those trees are still around somewhere waiting
| for someone to find them.
| leipert wrote:
| Ah yeah, there are still cultivars of the old breeds, but the
| problem is that without new breeds being created, we are not
| combatting the challenges of climate change and diseases
| changing.
| genocidicbunny wrote:
| Serendipitous seeing this mentioned here after my father very
| recently mentioned how much he missed the variety of pears that
| he could get when he went on komandirovkas to the GDR.
| _a_a_a_ wrote:
| As you seem to know something about this, what's an apple/pear
| hybrid like? I assume they do hybridise. How about pear/quince?
| That should be an interesting one.
| seszett wrote:
| They don't hybridise as far as I know, or don't give anything
| long-lived.
|
| An interesting hybrid though is x Sorbopyrus, a cross between
| a pear and sorb tree.
| _a_a_a_ wrote:
| Never heard of it so for others
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipova
|
| Can't cross with an apple but can with a whitebeam, I
| wouldn't have believed it. Amazing, thanks.
| nkurz wrote:
| There are some apple-pear hybrids that produce fruit.
| Development work seems ongoing in Germany. Unfortunately
| for me as (mostly) an English speaker, most of the papers
| describing it are in German. Here's a summary of an
| abstract in English, though: https://agris.fao.org/agris-
| search/search.do?recordID=US2014.... If you search for the
| primary author plus some keywords (Thilo Fischer Apfel
| Birne) you can find articles that give more details.
|
| I'm guessing the Sorbopyrus you are describing is the
| Shipova: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipova. It's a
| surprisingly old hybrid. I've got one growing, but haven't
| gotten any fruit yet. Have you eaten it?
| seszett wrote:
| I have never eaten it, but it's at the top of my list of
| trees to grow once I have enough space for it.
| leipert wrote:
| Not that knowledgeable. We just wanted to plant a pear tree
| when our kid was born. The tree seller was very chatty and
| knowledgeable.
|
| You also need to plant pears in pairs in order for them to
| pollinate each other. There are tables with which varieties
| go well with each other.
| pvaldes wrote:
| If you can, try comice. A diva to culture, but the fruit is
| fantastic.
|
| Pears are not the easiest fruit to culture and in some
| areas is a doomed project from the start. --Don't-- buy
| trees in the supermarket without a sanitary tag. Go to a
| professional. Fireblight is a real pain
| agtech_andy wrote:
| Quince is able to hybridize with apples and pears.
|
| https://cornusmas.eu/catalogue/intergeneric-hybrids
|
| has some information about some interesting mixes (and he
| sends out great plants if you are in Europe).
|
| Palms also form fascinating hybrids and there is an active
| community of people around the world doing this and sharing
| information.
| pvaldes wrote:
| apple and pear don't hybridize. They don't even can be
| grafted one in the other. The tissues are rejected. There are
| round species of pears naturally shaped as an apple but they
| are not "pears" (common pears) neither apples. Are from Japan
| and are called nashis or sand pears. Tasty and crunchy, very
| good in salads
|
| Pear and quince can hybridize producing a fruit called
| Pyronia (= Pyrus x Cydonia). Is not better than any of the
| parents, so it remains basically unknown and unavailable.
| _a_a_a_ wrote:
| If anyone interested I stumbled on this
| https://www.agroforestry.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/site-
| files... "Rosaceae family intergeneric hybrids" which covers
| a number including those mentioned here, plus hawthorn,
| medlar and rowan mashups
| blamazon wrote:
| I recently caught an apple-centric episode of 'Gastropod' and
| definitely recommend it. [1]
|
| I like podcasts that have transcripts, and invite you to this
| moment where a few layers were added to my understanding of well
| known American figure 'Johnny Appleseed'[2]:
|
| > TWILLEY: Johnny would get a mush of seeds and apple cores
| thrown out by a cider mill, and he would stick it in a dugout
| canoe, and tie that to another canoe and then float down the Ohio
| River to find a promising new patch of land.
|
| > POLLAN: So like a real estate developer, he would make a kind
| of judgment as to where the next wave of settlement was likely to
| be. He'd buy or squat on a piece of land and he'd cultivate it
| and plant his apple trees and they would be ready when the
| settlers got there. And he would sell them for a couple pennies
| apiece.
|
| [1]: https://gastropod.com/transcript-the-big-apple-episode/
|
| [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Appleseed
| Waterluvian wrote:
| I kind of like this version better than the altruistic fantasy.
| It's a capitalism-driven win-win for Johnny and the settlers.
| Alex3917 wrote:
| > I kind of like this version better than the altruistic
| fantasy.
|
| Same, although to be fair, in this day and age the altruistic
| version is the more realistic one; it's a lot easier to
| guerrilla garden some fruit trees than it is to run a
| commercial nursery. Which is why most of the people who run
| small independent nurseries do it as a second career, and
| don't start until their 60s or so.
| walnutclosefarm wrote:
| Although I appreciate the work folks like Tom Brown do, the
| notion that he has actually rescued 1000 varieties is a bit of a
| stretch. An apple variety is only really rescued when it has
| found a home in commerce and some significant consumer base wants
| it. Otherwise it's just on life support in a museum, and maybe in
| a few home orchardists' little collections of trees - it's
| perpetuation still hanging by a thread. In particular, trees
| grafted, as Brown's are, onto dwarf roootstock, sometimes mutiple
| varieties per tree, and maintained by an 80 year old retiree,
| could all be gone again in a decade or two, even if his records
| are meticulous. Dwarf apple trees don't live long, and a single
| ice storm or hurricane could kill hundreds of varieties in a
| single pass.
|
| This is not to dis Tom's work, only to say, the actual rescue is
| very tenuous.
| hahamrfunnyguy wrote:
| Many fruit collectors like Tom also make their collection
| available to other collectors.
| ForOldHack wrote:
| In 1920, there were 23,000 varieties of Apples in the U.S. On
| U.S.D.A. land, they grow less than 3,500. There are less than
| 7,600 in the world. The article is misleading. The claim is Mr
| Brown has rescued more than 1,200 varieties.
|
| The ONLY variety of Apple native to the U.S. is the Crab Apple.
|
| Apples are a $22B industry.
| walnutclosefarm wrote:
| The Crab Apple you refer to is a species, not a variety. And,
| to be clear, while there were many, many varieties of apples
| named and propagated in North America in the eighteenth,
| nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, almost all of them
| were of the same, single species.
| marmetio wrote:
| What you're describing sounds more like "revive" or "sustain".
| Interesting and important next steps, for sure. Saving a
| variety from imminent destruction is still a "rescue", though.
| walnutclosefarm wrote:
| That's a fair and good correction. My only point is that they
| are still extremely vulnerable to extinction, unless there is
| demand for them in the market.
| floatrock wrote:
| > An apple variety is only really rescued when it has found a
| home in commerce and some significant consumer base wants it.
|
| This is such a sad viewpoint on the world when biodiversity is
| valued only if it is commercially exploitable. See other
| threads on what "home in commerce" really means: optimizing for
| transportability and uniformity at the expense of flavor and
| nutrition.
|
| Late to the heirloom party, but this summer a friend offered me
| a cheese and tomato sandwich from her garden. I originally
| wasn't interested because tomatoes were always kinda meh for
| me. But after some encouragement I went for it and after the
| first bite, I realized I just never actually had a truly juicy
| and flavorful tomato in my life.
|
| When you say something needs to be commercially successful to
| be viable, be careful what you're optimizing for. Our
| commercial agriculture systems don't always optimize for the
| things you're sold in the slick marketing commercials. There's
| alternative commerce systems out there, but they look like a
| farmer's market where you might be surprised by a variety
| you've never tasted before and might have a few blemishes
| rather than the scale of a national supermarket where both
| coasts and everyone in between always gets the same consistent
| but bland red delicious.
| walnutclosefarm wrote:
| > When you say something needs to be commercially successful
| to be viable, be careful what you're optimizing for.
|
| I'm optimizing for survival. If an apple variety has no
| market, it won't be eaten or enjoyed (so it becomes at best a
| museum accession), and in the longer term, it won't be grown,
| propagated or maintained, and because these things don't live
| forever, and don't propagate themselves, it will disappear.
| It doesn't have to have a huge market, it can be regional, or
| highly specialized; it can even be for nursery trees so
| people can try to grow it in their back yards. But just like
| anything that has to be produced (that is, that doesn't just
| persist on its own), it will disappear if no one is willing
| to pay for it to be produced.
|
| So, I'm not making a value judgment about commercial vs
| other, I'm just saying what it takes to keep something alive.
| bbojan wrote:
| Or as my former colleague put it: I didn't know I liked
| tomatoes until the first time I traveled to Europe.
| throwawaygal7 wrote:
| Saving heirloom apples has zero biodiversity value, or near
| two it. All domestic apples are extremely inbred and from a
| one or two cultivars brought to Europe a few hundred years
| back. The reservoir of apple biodiversity , at least for
| sylvestris is in its native range where domestic apple
| cultivation is actively polluting the genome. I think that's
| like khazakhastan and western china.
| RosanaAnaDana wrote:
| To add to this, any seeds from wild pollination will result
| in new 'varieties'my
|
| It's trivial to regain diversity from this species, and
| it's not like apple is on the edge of survival.
| pvaldes wrote:
| Common apple is still genetically very close to the true
| native species from Kazajahstan forests. This was a
| surprise for everybody.
|
| There are other species from Japan to Siberia that can act
| as pollen donors.
| RosanaAnaDana wrote:
| To add to this, any seeds from wild pollination will result
| in new 'varieties'.
|
| It's trivial to regain diversity from this species, and
| it's not like apple is on the edge of survival.
| bagels wrote:
| Are apples one of those plants that require grafting to be
| true to type?
| walnutclosefarm wrote:
| Yes.
| threadweaver34 wrote:
| Tomatoes are the extreme of what's better from a home garden.
| PragmaticPulp wrote:
| > Although I appreciate the work folks like Tom Brown do, the
| notion that he has actually rescued 1000 varieties is a bit of
| a stretch. An apple variety is only really rescued when it has
| found a home in commerce and some significant consumer base
| wants it.
|
| This was a great article about someone putting in a lot of work
| to collect and sustain old apple varieties. I didn't expect to
| come into the comments and find people gatekeeping the concept
| of rescuing old apple varieties, especially not on the basis of
| a lack of consumer demand. He _has_ made these available to
| others who want them, per the article.
|
| Come on, this guy rescued varieties from extinction. He's not
| on a mission to restore their popularity among the general
| public. Heirloom varieties are fun and rare and unique. Let's
| enjoy and appreciate this for what it is.
| ominous_prime wrote:
| I think their point is that apple seeds don't grow true to
| their parent, so every single sprout from a seed is
| essentially a new variety, and they are continually created
| and lost -- the genetic line is not extinct, these are all
| the same plant. Capturing a large collection of palatable
| apples is fun, but framing this as some sort of historical
| preservation is kind of tenuous.
| justinzollars wrote:
| The red pippin apple looks amazing
| Moksha108 wrote:
| Sitting by my bed is a copy of Michael Pollan's book "The botany
| of desire" he discusses Johny Appleseed in depth well worth the
| read.
| GnarfGnarf wrote:
| Ironically, you will never find the best-tasting apples in your
| local grocery store. The tastiest apples are often smaller, brown
| or dark skin, not the big red 'juicy' apples the uninformed
| consumer thinks are the best. Viz. the Red "Delicious", whose
| flavor was bred out in favor of color and appearance. It is now
| insipid and flavorless.
|
| In the Annapolis Valley of Nova Scotia, the humble-looking Cox
| Orange is sweet as candy, with a hint of pear. You can only get
| it from local suppliers.
| swayvil wrote:
| We're seeing a similar "optimization" on the internet. In this
| case it's _information_ that 's being optimized.
|
| We're getting information that's less useful and nourishing,
| more clickbaity, pandering and addictive.
|
| We could say that the internet is turning Red Delicious.
| Waterluvian wrote:
| I heard the same thing about the American fig tree being
| basically candy compared to what we've got today.
|
| It explains why carollers wanted figgy pudding so badly.
| masklinn wrote:
| It's the case of pretty much every grown food product. As a
| comment above it comes down to the incentives / optimisations
| of a grocery store.
| Waterluvian wrote:
| In this case I think the American fig fell victim to
| disease more than optimization. But perhaps those are
| related too.
| masklinn wrote:
| Disease is definitely a good point, some varieties have
| disappeared or severely contracted in range due to
| diseases and pests.
| Waterluvian wrote:
| I'll have to read up if the fig was a monoculture like
| bananas and therefore disease is kind of a consequence of
| what you're pointing out.
| walnutclosefarm wrote:
| "Bred out" is a bit of a misnomer here. Apples varieties are
| propagated clonally through grafting. However, each new cloned
| tree originates from a single twig of a previous tree, and that
| twig originates from a single cell of the donor tree. Since
| cell division is not a perfect process, point mutations can
| accumulate over the generations from this process. In the case
| of Red Delicious, selections of point mutations (known as
| "sports") for storage life, color, and conical shape have
| resulted in the uninspiring, insipid thing we call a Red
| Delicious apple.
|
| I have a tree of the original Delicious apple, which was a
| seedling found in an orchard near Sumner, Iowa, not far from
| where I live in NE Iowa. Preservationists have propagated this
| tree for minimal mutation. It is a slightly larger apple than
| commercial Red Delicious, ripens green with red blush, very
| firm, sweet with mild acidity, and moderate storage potential.
| Not my favorite apple of the 30 or so in my orchard, but one
| well worth growing.
|
| Where you grow an apple also matters a great deal. Cox Orange
| Pippen may be great in Nova Scotia, which is not unlike it's
| Northern England home range, but it's a crappy apple in the
| mid-South, and can't be ripened reliably at all where I live.
| nkurz wrote:
| > Not my favorite apple of the 30 or so in my orchard
|
| Great answers throughout this thread. But this comment raises
| the obvious question: then which one is your favorite?
|
| (my answer is usually Wickson Crab:
| https://www.orangepippin.com/varieties/crab-
| apples/wickson-c...)
| walnutclosefarm wrote:
| Depends of course on the use to which I'm putting the
| apple. If I had to reduce to a single variety in the
| orchard, I'd probably grow Liberty (not an heirloom, but
| rather a university-bred disease resistant variety created
| in the 1950s). Great eating fresh off the tree (if, like
| me, you like a tart, but not overly tannic, crisp eater),
| makes great dried apples, and decent unfermented juice. I
| would choose Honeycrisp (an even younger variety) over
| Liberty, if it weren't so damned hard to grow well. For
| keepers, I'd go with Black Oxford. For pies, it's hard to
| beat Beacon or Charlamoff (which is known by at least a
| dozen different names that are all somehow or other derived
| from Charlemagne, or Carolingian). I also like Calville
| Blanc for pies.
| kdazzle wrote:
| I actually bought a box of Cox Orange online from this orchard
| in VT. They were good, but the descriptions are always better.
|
| https://www.scottfarmvermont.com/coxs-orange-pippin
|
| Salt Spring Island, BC also seems to have a big heirloom apple
| thing going on, for any Van folks. (ex: I bought a couple of
| trees from this orchard
| https://www.saltspringapplecompany.com/)
| pvaldes wrote:
| Cox Orange is a mythical cultivar. In part because the
| marketing but yep, is known as royalty. Sadly is known also to
| pick any fungus disease in the list. There are probably best
| new varieties. As a rule, the better taste a variety, the
| faster it spoils (unless you cheat).
| mooreds wrote:
| > Ironically, you will never find the best-tasting apples in
| your local grocery store.
|
| I'm not sure it's "ironic". I think it is a case of "you get
| what you optimize for".
|
| Grocery stores optimize for:
|
| * cost
|
| * transportability
|
| * shelf life
|
| * appearance
|
| And all for good reason! That's what makes money.
|
| Doesn't matter if you have the best tasting apple in the world
| if shipping it on a truck destroys 90% of them and you can't
| sell the others before they go off.
| masklinn wrote:
| And for chains don't forget uniformity / repeatability.
|
| There can be local variations but the chain usually wants a
| baseline for staples.
| thatfrenchguy wrote:
| To be fair, to someone who was not born in the US and grew up
| eating apples from u-pick orchards, grocery store apples in
| CA have an awful apparence and shelf life and way too sugary
| taste, but this is likely a case of people buying what they
| are used to :)
| selimthegrim wrote:
| Any thoughts on the Arkansas black?
| pvaldes wrote:
| All "black" apples and red flesh apples are a little acidic.
| Arkansas black (is not really black) improves after storing
| it for some months. Not so good to eat directly from the
| tree.
|
| There are apples to eat from the tree and apples to store for
| winter. Both groups are desirable to have.
| threlfall wrote:
| I have some trees from this place, as well as trees from 'Century
| Farms' - another meticulously kept apple and pear orchard
| archive.
|
| Their tasting and usage notes on heirloom apples is worth a read.
| Learning how to take care of these trees has been a rewarding
| journey so far, their status can be so tenuous as you learn about
| the impacts of cedar tree rust, fire blight, and dozens of
| bacteria out to quickly ruin the trees!
|
| https://www.centuryfarmorchards.com/descripts/osadescripts.h...
| sbuccini wrote:
| See also "NC Tomato Man": https://www.craiglehoullier.com/
| pancrufty wrote:
| Surely there oughta be better fruits to save. As a generic "fruit
| hunter" I hate all apples and oranges now, it's like there's no
| other fruit in the world. Go spread the seed of the _ice cream
| bean fruit_ and _tabo fruit_ instead.
| macintux wrote:
| I remember reading about someone whose passion (perhaps
| obsession) was rescuing stray dogs in a big city.
|
| People would often ask him why he didn't apply that energy to
| the homeless. His response, roughly: why don't _you_? Dogs are
| his passion.
|
| Volunteer for the activities you're passionate about. And stop
| sniping at people who are making the world a better place just
| because you think you know better than they do what's worth
| saving.
| pvaldes wrote:
| Those don't grow in temperate areas.
| hahamrfunnyguy wrote:
| This comment is as silly as saying you shouldn't grow walnuts
| because there is watermelon. The fruits you mentioned are not
| even comparable to apples they are tropical fruits and wouldn't
| even grow in most parts of the United States. Apples from the
| grocery store are generally lack-luster compared to varieties
| that have been grown for flavor instead of shelf life.
|
| Apples have many more purposes than eating out of hand, this is
| why they are the world's most popular fruit. There are cider
| apples, pie apples and sauce apples. You can also make pectin,
| jam and apple butter. What else is done with ice cream bean
| besides just eating it?
| thatfrenchguy wrote:
| Yup, for the first years of so I lived in the US, I never
| understood why American (hard) cider tastes so different from
| French cider, even when you get fancy no-sugar added cider.
|
| The answer was that cider is mostly made from table apples
| instead of cider apples, and they taste completely different!
| hahamrfunnyguy wrote:
| I've not had French cider, but cider is getting more
| popular here and there are quite a few styles available.
| One local cidery has a full range of ciders from sweet to
| dry and they use a variety of different cider apples. There
| are even a few cideries that are growing their own seedling
| apples to use in their cider blends.
| threadweaver34 wrote:
| At long as there are wild, native apples growing somewhere, would
| that be enough genetic diversity to recreate similar varieties to
| anything that's lost?
| maxerickson wrote:
| Probably, but whether the particular combinations occurred
| again would be a more complicated matter. They don't breed
| true, so every new tree is pretty much a random experiment.
|
| (a given variety is propagated by cutting and grafting)
| ForOldHack wrote:
| I stumbled on this fine gentleman, while writing an article about
| a type of apple. His work is legend.
| mdturnerphys wrote:
| Here's a nice Wyoming PBS piece on rescuing Wyomingian varieties:
| https://youtu.be/KZyD74vNdcc
| JoeAltmaier wrote:
| Used to walk a neighborhood near where we used to live near
| downtown. Go down a side street, at the end was a hayfield and a
| pond! In the middle of town.
|
| And by the pond, an apple tree. With apples the size of
| cannonballs. Big as your head. Somebody would stack the ones that
| fell into tripods. It was surreal.
|
| Anyway the place is developed now, the pond gone, the apple tree
| just a memory.
| jacquesm wrote:
| There is a strain of Golden Reinette that makes enormous
| apples, very tasty and great to make applesauce from. A bit on
| the sour side for many people but I love them.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Reinette
| dang wrote:
| Related:
|
| _Tom Brown Is on a Mission to Restore Appalachia 's Rare and
| Lost Apples (2021)_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31457804 - May 2022 (18
| comments)
|
| _7k varieties of apples and the 18 you need to know about
| (2013)_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29761351 - Jan
| 2022 (60 comments)
|
| _New variety of apple discovered by Wiltshire runner_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25236672 - Nov 2020 (37
| comments)
|
| _Pioneer-era apple types thought extinct found in US West_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22963226 - April 2020 (54
| comments)
|
| _Lost Apple Project_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22918261 - April 2020 (5
| comments)
|
| _Documenting every apple variety in North America_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20324355 - July 2019 (5
| comments)
|
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| _Apple Rankings_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33639206
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| _Red delicious apples weren't always horrible_ -
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| _The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)_ -
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| _The Curse of the Honeycrisp Apple_ -
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| comments)
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| _The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14349964 - May 2017 (169
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| _The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8300619 - Sept 2014 (142
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| Did I miss any? I used some search tricks to find these so it
| would be interestined if there are others.
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