[HN Gopher] Bell Telephone launched a mobile phone during the 1940s
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       Bell Telephone launched a mobile phone during the 1940s
        
       Author : miles
       Score  : 97 points
       Date   : 2023-01-27 20:17 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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       | ghaff wrote:
       | Not the same thing but even in the early 80s, I would use a
       | hybrid radio and landline system when I was on drilling rigs.
       | You'd call the marine operator and they'd patch you through to a
       | landline. Don't quite remember how it worked the other way.
        
         | ytjohn wrote:
         | On the amateur radio side of the house, we had what we called
         | phone patches. A radio repeater with a phone connection.
         | Operating a radio with a touchpad, you would enter a code to
         | enable the phone patch, then do the dialing. This was in no way
         | a private call. Anything said on the phone went out over the
         | open repeater. And even more interesting, any other ham could
         | join in on your call. But ultimately, most hams would not do so
         | out of respect.
         | 
         | While popular in the 80s and 90s, they obviously decreased in
         | popularity as cell phone usage/coverage increased.
        
         | soperj wrote:
         | Maybe the marine operator would call you, and then they'd patch
         | you through to the landline?
        
           | ghaff wrote:
           | Just don't remember. Possibly the marine operator radioed and
           | the radio operator on the rig answered. The company also had
           | its own radio room but it may have been easier/higher quality
           | to use the marine operator for outbound than our main radio
           | room.
           | 
           | But this was all 40 years ago so fuzzy on the details.
        
         | dghughes wrote:
         | My Dad worked for the Canadian Coast Guard. One time (1980s)
         | one of the crew got a call from home on ship-to-shore radio. It
         | was his wife with a non-emergency but she called the ship. The
         | entire ship turned around and went to port. I forget what it
         | was for (where is the chequebook, where is the spare house key
         | etc.?) but it was a huge embarrassment for the guy!
         | 
         | It must be one-way or something like that since it seemed the
         | ship had to go in so he must not have been able to call back to
         | his wife.
        
       | MrRadar wrote:
       | About a month ago the Antique Wireless Museum posted a
       | presentation about this phone system (MTS) and its successors
       | (IMTS and AMPS) to their Youtube channel:
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRqg8INF9s0 The presentation
       | includes technical details of how the systems operated. According
       | to the presentatoin, pricing for the system as of 1946 was $15
       | per month plus $0.15 per minute; that's $200 per month and $2.00
       | per minute adjusted for inflation.
        
       | jimbokun wrote:
       | When the originating device is a land line, how did the system
       | know which antenna(s) to route the call to? And how did the
       | receiving mobile device know the broadcast signal was meant for
       | that specific mobile phone?
        
       | tjohns wrote:
       | More details:
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Telephone_Service
        
       | jd3 wrote:
       | I first watched this video when it was posted to Periscope's
       | youtube channel 3 years ago. Since then, I've wondered
       | 
       | 1) why this video is not included in ATTTechChannel's AT&T
       | Archives[0]?
       | 
       | 2) why it's in the hands of a private stock footage company?
       | 
       | Periscope says they saved many of the 16mm military reels in
       | their collection from the landfill/incinerator in the 40s-70s[1],
       | but why would Bell have tossed this? Seems bizarre.
       | 
       | [0]: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDB8B8220DEE96FD9
       | 
       | [1]: https://periscopefilm.com/about-us/
        
         | LastTrain wrote:
         | I was wondering the same thing, perhaps this was a government
         | funded project?
        
       | lb1lf wrote:
       | My grandfather was a field engineer with the utility company in
       | Aalesund, Norway; they got one of the first cellular phones (of
       | sorts) in the Aalesund area sometime in the early sixties.
       | 
       | As he recalled it, the phone occupied most of the trunk of the
       | Ford Anglia they used to get around town. It was a fully manual
       | affair - they had a calling channel where the operator would say
       | something like 'Subscriber 11, phone call for you on channel 4' -
       | subscriber 11 (and anyone else who cared to listen in) would then
       | turn a dial to channel 4 and get on with their conversation.
       | After the call ended, they had to manually revert to the calling
       | channel.
       | 
       | There only being a handful of subscribers had its perks - once
       | when he was on his way to lunch with the head of the local branch
       | of the phone company, when they heard on the phone official's
       | cellular that a call was incoming for my grandfather.
       | 
       | He simply answered using the other guy's phone, and the operator
       | chuckled and said that was OK, she recognised his voice and would
       | bill the airtime to the utility company's account.
        
       | Overtonwindow wrote:
       | If you found this article interesting, check out the book "the
       | master switch" by Tim Wu.
       | 
       | AT&T had an answering machine back in the 40s, but they were
       | afraid that if anyone found out a phone call could be recorded,
       | nobody would use the telephone. So they suppressed it.
        
         | sidewndr46 wrote:
         | This seems like it is nonsense. Recording was well understood
         | to exist by the general public in the US by this point. Not
         | everyone had a cassette recorder, but plenty of people
         | understood that recordings could be made of audio.
        
           | kk6mrp wrote:
           | In a world where a phone line was shared between multiple
           | homes, knowing your neighbor may not only be listening, but
           | also recording, has the potential to be much more worrisome.
        
           | reaperducer wrote:
           | _Not everyone had a cassette recorder, but plenty of people
           | understood that recordings could be made of audio._
           | 
           | Yes and no. They understood that recordings _could_ be made
           | of audio, but they expected everything to be live and
           | ephemeral.
           | 
           | That's why if you listen to old radio shows, very often the
           | introduction includes the phrase "...coming to you _by
           | transcription_ from {$city}... "
           | 
           | "Transcription" is what they used to call recording, and
           | people were almost always told that what they were listening
           | to was not a live broadcast.
           | 
           | It's so common, I have to wonder if there was a period in
           | time when it was a legal requirement.
        
           | Spooky23 wrote:
           | Remember that most people were on party lines. Third party
           | doctrine is key to privacy - maintaining the concept that the
           | call was an ephemeral event is key.
           | 
           | Also, recording and eavesdropping was associated with rogue
           | phone company employees. We don't have strong wiretapping
           | laws because of the foresight of congress. Phone company
           | workers were crooked as hell.
        
           | Overtonwindow wrote:
           | But not Telephone.
           | 
           | https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/spread-
           | answering-m...
        
             | sidewndr46 wrote:
             | I'm not really sure anyone counts "Smithsonian Magazine" as
             | a source.
        
       | Luc wrote:
       | Wasn't there a mobile phone system that worked with short-range
       | antennas spread throughout the city (e.g. New York)? You'd have
       | to stand in certain locations, indicated by a sign in the street,
       | to make your phone call.
       | 
       | I can't find anything on Google so I'm wondering if it was a real
       | thing.
        
         | IMSAI8080 wrote:
         | There were several in the UK briefly. The idea was you'd pick
         | up your home cordless landline phone and take it with you, then
         | you could make a call anywhere you saw a "phone zone" sign.
         | Analogue mobile killed it pretty fast and it didn't take off.
        
         | roywiggins wrote:
         | It was a thing:
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_%28telecommunications%2...
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CT2
        
         | PreInternet01 wrote:
         | Yes, it was, and these were probably ETSI 300 131 cells
         | ('Cordless Telephone Type 2'), although I'm not sure any
         | networks based on this were ever deployed in the US:
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CT2
         | 
         | In Europe, CT2 networks briefly enjoyed some popularity, before
         | being superseded by NMT networks for public use sometime in the
         | 1990s. These were analog and had worse audio quality, but at
         | least allowed incoming calls (CT2 was outbound-only).
        
       | spinchange wrote:
       | As a Bell Labs fanboy this is one of my favorite bits of trivia.
       | They invented the future a long, long time ago.
        
       | BizarroLand wrote:
       | When I was a kid I was watching old reruns one day on a sick day
       | and I saw a black and white episode of the Andy Griffith show
       | where some rich fatcat from the city had a telephone in his car.
       | 
       | This was in black and white so I assume the episode was from the
       | late 40's early 50's. I was really shocked that they had cell
       | phones back then.
        
       | chasil wrote:
       | A Soviet mathematician developed CDMA in 1935, and their first
       | mobile telephone was implemented in 1957.
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code-division_multiple_access#...
        
       | adrianmonk wrote:
       | This page has tons of detailed info about old (1946 and on) car
       | phones, including lots of photos:
       | https://www.wb6nvh.com/Carphone.htm
        
         | programd wrote:
         | What a great link!
         | 
         | Speaking of car phones, one of the best depictions of a car
         | phone was in the 1958-1961 show "Peter Gunn", a cracking good
         | film noir TV series. Gunn had a car phone in his very cool 1959
         | Plymouth Sport Fury Convertible (I so wish tailfins were still
         | a thing...) There's a picture of his phone from the show [1]
         | which seems to match the Western Electric model from the above
         | link [2].
         | 
         | Anyway, watch the show if you can find it - the epitome of
         | jazzy noirish cool.
         | 
         | [1] https://www.pinterest.com/pin/peter-gunns-mobile-car-
         | phone--...
         | 
         | [2] https://www.wb6nvh.com/MTSfiles/Carphone1.htm
        
       | Johnny555 wrote:
       | That's not exactly a mobile phone, the "phone" handset in the car
       | has a push to talk button that you'd have to push when you want
       | to talk, just like keying a microphone, it was single-duplex
       | communication just like a radio.
       | 
       | The other end was just a patch between the radio network and
       | telephone network, which was relatively common before cell
       | phones, my dad could make calls from his company two way radio
       | back in the 70's by asking dispatch to route him through to a
       | phone, they'd make the call and tell him what channel to switch
       | to for he call. And of course there was no privacy, anyone on
       | that channel could listen (or talk) to your call.
        
         | jimktrains2 wrote:
         | By "single duplex" do you mean simplex (versus a single duplex
         | channel, which would allow simultaneous 2-way communication)?
        
           | Johnny555 wrote:
           | I think it's more "half duplex" - either side can transmit,
           | but over a single channel so only one at a time.
        
       | agumonkey wrote:
       | in a similar style, there were radio based lane tracking
       | installed in some highways so your car could stay centered.. it's
       | funny how far back these ideas were tried
        
         | SoftTalker wrote:
         | Similar technology used for instrument landings (ILS) at
         | airports. A radio beacon is centered on the runway and in poor
         | visibility pilots can use it to be sure they're lined up and on
         | the correct approach path before they can see the runway.
        
       | jl6 wrote:
       | When did we stop calling things radios and start calling them
       | mobile phones?
        
       | davidw wrote:
       | I think we lost something when we lost that accent for news.
        
         | tomcam wrote:
         | Although some things are eternal. The film clearly shows that
         | Ben Shapiro was already at work as some sort of assistant truck
         | driver, maybe putting himself through law school. Who knows,
         | maybe he should kept that gig.
        
       | pjungwir wrote:
       | Bell launched a video phone too, back in the 60s. You can read
       | about it in _The Idea Factory_ , which is full of fascinating
       | history. That book attributes the failure to people not wanting
       | to be seen. I've worked with people who definitely didn't want to
       | turn on their video on Zoom calls! :-/
        
         | tomcam wrote:
         | There was a working version of it at Disneyland.
        
         | jamesbfb wrote:
         | And here's a great video about said video phone:
         | https://youtu.be/Xqb1o8up_Fw
         | 
         | I'm scratching my head trying to figure out the mechanism of
         | that top down camera.
        
         | userbinator wrote:
         | I worked for a telecommunications product company a while ago,
         | and while all employees were given videophones (and there were
         | _conference_ videophones too), and actually used them quite
         | frequently compared to IM, they were almost always used in
         | audio mode only.
         | 
         | Besides not wanting to be seen, it takes far more attention to
         | be looking at each other than it does to be talking while doing
         | other things.
        
           | ghaff wrote:
           | Yeah. I don't mind switching video on and do by default in a
           | smaller meeting and certainly 1:1. But, if I'm multitasking
           | I'll regularly switch the camera off if I can't/don't want to
           | be front and center with the webcam and keylight.
        
         | thinking4real wrote:
         | It's more comfortable not to be seen (you don't have to look
         | certain ways), but also I'm not about the idea that anyone can
         | record me and use my image for whatever reason they want
         | 
         | When I'm compensated like a celebrity, Ill take on the risk.
         | Till then, you don't need to see my face to know what I'm
         | saying
        
         | ghaff wrote:
         | My sense is that video became widespread when networks got good
         | enough that it was effectively free if you were going to use
         | the network for audio anyway. There were companies like
         | PictureTel but I'm pretty sure both the equipment and
         | operational costs weren't things that consumers were going to
         | pay.
         | 
         | There may have been social resistance early-on as well but I'm
         | sure grandma would have liked to see the new baby if the tech
         | were cheap and easy--even if people then, as now, don't
         | universally want to be on camera.
        
       | rmason wrote:
       | When I was just starting elementary school in Detroit my best
       | friends dad was a high power exec who had a radio phone. He would
       | sometimes take me to school as they lived just down the street. I
       | never saw him use the phone but my father told me once there was
       | a very small number available for the city and it was quite
       | expensive.
        
         | Spooky23 wrote:
         | A friend obtained a scanner that allowed you to hear one side
         | of those conversations for mobile and marine radio.
         | 
         | We used to listen once in awhile.
         | 
         | One guy in particular was hilarious - he'd call to let the wife
         | know the plane was delayed and he'd be home late, then call his
         | girlfriend to have her drop by the boat. The dude would talk in
         | very obvious "code". "Need some help with the salami", etc.
        
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