[HN Gopher] The rise of universities' diversity bureaucrats (2018)
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       The rise of universities' diversity bureaucrats (2018)
        
       Author : dgs_sgd
       Score  : 47 points
       Date   : 2023-02-05 21:14 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | lr4444lr wrote:
       | _Bureaucrats outnumber faculty 2:1 at public universities and
       | 2.5:1 at private colleges, double the ratio in the 1970s._
       | 
       | It has to be asked though, did student:teacher ratio stay
       | constant during this time? Because if it's risen (i.e. professors
       | about the same, but more students,) then a case could be made
       | that the bureaucrat increase corresponds to more students. Why
       | should bureaucrat count correlate to professor count?
        
         | ecshafer wrote:
         | I don't really see why schools should need most of their
         | bureaucrats personally. I know a few people who work in admin
         | at schools and it seems their jobs mostly revolve around
         | writing a few emails a day. A school need some groundskeepers
         | sure, a small IT department, a secretary for a department
         | probably, and a small general admissions / bursars / financial
         | aid department. I would warrant all other departments could be
         | cut as they are not within the primary scope of teaching.
        
           | kkylin wrote:
           | This depends a lot on the school. A research university is
           | going to have a lot of people that students never meet:
           | accountants and lawyers to ensure compliance with federal
           | regulation on grants, for example. The phrase "administrator"
           | also gets thrown around a lot in these discussions without
           | much attention to more nuanced differences, i.e., a VP or
           | vice provost is a very different thing than staff who are not
           | paid all that much. And some people classified as staff do
           | teach -- boundaries aren't always that sharp.
           | 
           | This is not to say university bureaucracies are not bloated,
           | but the bloat is multi-faceted and often grows in different
           | directions for very different reasons.
        
           | mapierce2 wrote:
           | I think the point is that it's _not_ simply the case that
           | universities have lost sight of their purpose of teaching
           | people, but have broadened the scope of their mission beyond
           | teaching ... or broadened the definition of teaching?
           | Broadened their mission? Certainly made their mission less
           | focused /clear. And this leads to bureaucracy. See Harvard's
           | Mission Statement.
           | 
           | https://college.harvard.edu/about/mission-vision-history
        
             | mindslight wrote:
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         | edgyquant wrote:
         | Because the job of schools as a business is to teach.
        
           | DaiPlusPlus wrote:
           | (With exceptions...) universities aren't businesses though.
           | Academic idealism does still exist.
        
             | mountainb wrote:
             | This is the kind of rigid formalism that obscures accurate
             | analysis of universities as economic entities responding
             | rationally to the infinite money spigot that the government
             | has inserted into them. Just because their formal tax
             | status says one thing does not mean that it's not better to
             | analyze them as businesses just like any other.
        
               | DaiPlusPlus wrote:
               | Right, right - I just don't want people to forget that
               | there are fundamental differences - despite their
               | similarities.
        
         | kevviiinn wrote:
         | [dead]
        
         | rmason wrote:
         | If you wonder why the cost of college has exploded you just
         | have to look at the meteoric rise in administrators in the past
         | thirty years. The number of faculty has only risen slightly
         | while administrators hired because of new government
         | regulations has exploded.
         | 
         | https://washingtonmonthly.com/2011/08/28/administrators-ate-...
        
           | whitemary wrote:
           | It's at least as much related to government subsidies and
           | financial programs that exist as band-aids over the
           | accreditation crises in the American labor market, a result
           | of elite overproduction.
           | 
           | https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_overproduction
        
           | thaumasiotes wrote:
           | > If you wonder why the cost of college has exploded you just
           | have to look at the meteoric rise in administrators in the
           | past thirty years.
           | 
           | A rise in administrators can't explain the rise in tuition.
           | If you spike your manufacturing costs for a product, it's
           | true that you won't be able to turn a profit without charging
           | a lot more for it.
           | 
           | But it doesn't follow at all that you'll be able to turn a
           | profit by charging a lot more for your product.
           | 
           | We see college tuition going up at the same time that college
           | enrollment goes _up_. That is not a result of increases in
           | the cost of providing college. Increases in the cost of
           | provision would increase tuition and _decrease_ enrollment.
        
       | twoifbyseat wrote:
       | > Diversity officials promote the hiring of ethnic minorities and
       | women
       | 
       | I'm genuinely curious if ethnic minorities and women are
       | underrepresented among university faculty/staff. I would have
       | guessed "no", but this statement implies otherwise.
        
       | mapierce2 wrote:
       | It's unfortunately tough to have a discussion about this too. Any
       | criticism of justice/equity/diversity/inclusion (JEDI)
       | bureaucracy gets strawmanned very quickly, and the critic
       | labelled as simply a bad person. Example: the VP of the American
       | Mathematical Society wrote a short piece (op ed?) in 2019
       | describing the requirement that new university faculty hires
       | write _diversity statements_ , and the scoring of that statement
       | according to a rubric, as a "political litmus test," and she got
       | roasted for it. Folks called for her resignation, and said the
       | AMS shouldn't have published it. I was attending a JEDI workshop
       | as a grad student to get a _diversity certificate_ at the time,
       | and the facilitator only reacted with disgust, and we never
       | honestly discussed it.
       | 
       | https://www.ams.org/journals/notices/201911/rnoti-p1778.pdf
        
         | dudul wrote:
         | There is nothing to discuss. For me the discussion stopped when
         | we replaced "equality" with "equity". It was the admission that
         | these people are not interested in solving a problem. They move
         | goal posts to make sure the problem persists because it gives
         | them jobs, power and influence.
         | 
         | DE/I is just "legitimized bullying". It is alo telling that
         | these departments are gutting gutted during tech layoffs. They
         | are for show.
        
           | mapierce2 wrote:
           | It's more complicated than you describe. Like, these
           | bureaucrat's hearts are in the right place, they just lack
           | focus, and are ineffective and solving the problems that they
           | see. They see large-scale social problems of inequity, but
           | are trying to solve it with equity-focused policy at
           | universities, which most folks would already consider "the
           | top."
           | 
           | They aren't _just_ for show, but the optics of a well-funded
           | diversity departments is irresistably good.
        
       | everdrive wrote:
       | DEI is all the rage right now. My company's last big survey had
       | some question which stated "I feel like I can be myself at work."
       | The score wasn't as nice as folks would have liked, and
       | apparently what HR took from that is "we're not doing DEI hard
       | enough." Which is a pretty unfortunate set of blinders to have
       | on. DEI is probably one of the more narrow reasons these days
       | that someone might not feel that they can be themselves at work.
        
         | version_five wrote:
         | I would say that the existence of those DEI programs is
         | probably one of the biggest reasons people can't be themselves
         | at work
        
         | GenerocUsername wrote:
         | Agree. As a white male, I have a very hard time being honest on
         | these questionnaires because I know full well that giving good
         | responses means they will lean in further to DEI, and giving
         | bad responses they will lean in further on DEI...
         | 
         | In 2021 they had a slide on the town hall for 'Whiteness down
         | 13%' and the black host said 'we can do better'...
         | 
         | Might as well pack up, clearly unwanted here.
        
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