[HN Gopher] Show HN: I made Hacker News but for research papers
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       Show HN: I made Hacker News but for research papers
        
       Author : kashnote
       Score  : 133 points
       Date   : 2023-02-13 21:11 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | aliqot wrote:
       | I really like the UI, very visually striking without too much
       | whitespace, and without getting in the way.
        
         | kashnote wrote:
         | Appreciate it!
        
       | chrisshroba wrote:
       | This looks awesome! FYI You may have a bug where you treat
       | unicode as ascii. Notice the " apost-symbolica" here [1]
       | 
       | [1] https://paperlist.io/paper/724614047
        
         | kashnote wrote:
         | Ah interesting. I'm using LaXeXML to translate LaTeX to HTML.
         | Might be something up with that. Will take a look at it!
        
       | rsfern wrote:
       | Cool idea! One of the great things about HN is the high quality
       | discussion. Maybe you can think of some ways to bootstrap that?
       | Like ask submitters to leave a micro review saying why the result
       | is cool or something they learned or some way they applied the
       | work? Ideally not just repeating the abstract
        
       | teddyh wrote:
       | HN has a set restricted topic: "Anything that good hackers would
       | find interesting." (from the guidelines). But, for PaperList, are
       | there people interested in research papers - i.e. _any and all_
       | research papers? Or would it be appropriate to narrow the focus
       | on some subfield, or perhaps on "groundbreaking papers",
       | "practical papers" or even "controversial papers"? That last one
       | ought to get some traffic, at least.
        
         | xrisk wrote:
         | a site I would be interested in is: "papers a hacker would be
         | interested in" (aka papers you could nerdsnipe someone with)
         | which is unfortunately not what this website seems to be.
        
           | kashnote wrote:
           | This is actually what I'm going for, which is why I described
           | it as "Hacker New but for research papers." I think it'll
           | definitely be possible with proper moderation
        
             | rvbissell wrote:
             | Thoughts:
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             | * Allow logged in users to add tags to submissions (maybe
             | after reaching some karma threshold). Tags could either be
             | a private feature, or a shared feature.
             | 
             | * Allow filtering of all submissions by one or more tags
             | 
             | * "Favorites" feature for logged in users
        
       | mteam88 wrote:
       | Need some users and your set!
        
       | babbledabbler wrote:
       | This is so cool. Simple concept, clean interface. Nice job. I
       | hope it takes off.
        
       | danielecook wrote:
       | A few years ago I created upvote.pub (source code:
       | https://github.com/danielecook/upvote.pub)
       | 
       | It never really caught on - but it was a fun project. I do hope
       | something like this takes off. It was able to import publications
       | using DOIs, PMIDs, PMCids, Arxiv, and Biorxiv.
        
       | username3 wrote:
       | Are you using pure white?
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34684761
        
       | Aromasin wrote:
       | I know someone else has said there's not too much whitespace, but
       | I disagree. Comparing HN to this, I'm seeing 9 links per page
       | compared to 26 for HN. Even Reddit fits 10 per page, and that's
       | with thumbnails. It goes up to 18 with compact view. It needs
       | much more content. Love the concept, but the UI leaves a lot to
       | be desired in my eyes.
        
       | pictureofabear wrote:
       | Would like to see a tag showing the subject of the paper. Many of
       | the titles are not very descriptive.
        
       | eternalban wrote:
       | I wanted to signup but then saw that email textbox.
        
       | afandian wrote:
       | I know these are all arxiv.org so far, but if you want to include
       | research papers beyond that plaform, can I encourage you to use
       | DOIs for links? It'll make links persistent and easy to cross-
       | reference with citations and other systems. I did a spot check of
       | the 14 links you have so far all have DOIs. I'm happy to give
       | advice!
       | 
       | (I work at Crossref.org)
        
       | sideproject wrote:
       | Related, but I created Scholars
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       | https://www.scholars.io
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       | Where researchers and others interested can create "reading
       | rooms" of papers and discuss. I have also been thinking about
       | something similar to this where a list of papers that people are
       | currently discussing is shown.
       | 
       | This looks great too!
        
         | amir734jj wrote:
         | Is there a way to see what other people are reading and if I
         | could join/collaborate with them?
        
       | tchock23 wrote:
       | Suggestion: if/when this expands to include life science papers
       | add an 'in mice' tag.
       | 
       | It's frustrating to read amazing research paper titles only to
       | find out it was done with mice.
        
       | voidbound wrote:
       | Looks super clean! I'll definitely be trying to use this.
        
       | overview wrote:
       | Filter tags would be very helpful.
        
       | sillysaurusx wrote:
       | What you'll discover is that the moment this falls off the HN
       | front page, your traffic goes to zero. You'll need to manually
       | recruit users, every day, typically by going to wherever they
       | are.
       | 
       | Twitter is your friend here. DM everyone you can, and keep
       | checking in with them to see if they're getting value out of it.
       | 
       | My personal experience was that I showed up, was delighted to see
       | so many relevant papers, but then lost interest due to zero
       | discussion.
       | 
       | That doesn't mean that it's not interesting. It is. But when
       | you're making a social network, you're fighting a massive amount
       | of inertia. The default case is for no one to come.
       | 
       | Give us a reason to keep coming back, and we will.
       | 
       | FWIW I speak from experience, having spent a few years running an
       | HN clone that eventually tapered off.
       | 
       | EDIT: Also, your upvote algorithm needs a bit of work. The most
       | upvoted papers are currently hidden on the second page. And in
       | fact, at this stage, pagination doesn't make a lot of sense --
       | just show all the submissions.
        
         | kashnote wrote:
         | All good points. To be honest, I hate Twitter so I don't know
         | if I'll be trying to share it on there, but I agree that
         | promoting discussions is the way to go.
         | 
         | PS Fixed the voting algorithm (was using ASC instead of DESC).
         | Probably needs more work but thanks for pointing it out!
        
           | sillysaurusx wrote:
           | Yeah, the reason people keep coming back to HN is that there
           | are different stories every day. That's the heart of its
           | success. If you want this to succeed, you can't rely on
           | simply sorting by asc, nor can you rely on community upvotes
           | to do the work for you. You'll need to manually place papers
           | on the front page, just like HN does (in its semi-automated-
           | but-human-driven way).
           | 
           | And get ready for it being a slog. It's seriously soul-
           | grinding to try to curate a collection of new things each day
           | and see only a handful of people come. But you _have_ to do
           | it if you want to succeed long term; there 's no other way. I
           | was able to keep up with HN for about four months, before
           | basically collapsing of exhaustion. Then traffic growth
           | stopped, and never resumed.
        
           | JieJie wrote:
           | An RSS feed would be helpful. That's how I follow Hacker News
           | (news.ycombinator.com/rss).
        
       | trehans wrote:
       | This is cool! I suggest adding some more hints to indicate how
       | important/relevant different papers are. Maybe some tags to
       | classify papers in different fields, and number of citations or
       | amount of discussions online as a metric of how big a paper is?
       | (I know that's not a great metric but I think it's still better
       | than seeing a bunch of papers and not knowing which ones are
       | worth reading). You can also spark discussions. Seeing "0
       | comments" discourages anyone to look at the comments, but even
       | having an AI-generated summary as a comment can be encouraging
       | and spark discussions. Just a thought.
        
       | riku_iki wrote:
       | why would you create separate site and not subreddit where you
       | can get way more traction from existing users?..
        
         | eddsh1994 wrote:
         | An HN clone, not reddit.
         | 
         | But one _huge_ perk of not having a subreddit is you don 't
         | have the mass of users come from other subreddits where the
         | standards of comments tend to be more copypasta troll-like than
         | HN.
        
           | afandian wrote:
           | There's also the risk of _not_ getting that halo effect and
           | passing footfall.
           | 
           | There was something similar a few years back, upvote.pub:
           | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16273171
           | 
           | I don't know the reasons for it folding, but I imagine it was
           | difficult to sustain.
        
           | riku_iki wrote:
           | > users come from other subreddits where the standards of
           | comments tend to be more copypasta troll-like than HN.
           | 
           | I somehow didn't notice this on relevant subs
           | (machinelearning, singularity, etc)
        
       | joshmn wrote:
       | Looks great. I think if there's one thing this could benefit from
       | it would be Genius-style comments and annotations.
       | https://genius.com/Genius-how-to-annotate-and-edit-on-genius...
        
         | afandian wrote:
         | Take a look at https://web.hypothes.is/
        
       | eddsh1994 wrote:
       | Sweet! I signed up :) Hope to see it do well
        
       | albertzeyer wrote:
       | The problem is, there are way too much papers, even if you focus
       | already to some domain, like deep learning. But this seems to be
       | completely open to any topic?
       | 
       | For machine learning, https://www.reddit.com/r/MachineLearning/
       | is currently a good place, or Twitter and following some of the
       | authors you are interested in, or just set some Google Scholar
       | alerts.
        
         | eddsh1994 wrote:
         | It doesn't have to be every paper, just papers people find
         | interesting. HN is even larger, it can be _any_ subjects
         | _including_ papers but still survives.
        
         | MrLeap wrote:
         | Hard disagree. If a user submits a paper, chances are it's
         | because they're interested in it. I'm interested in this
         | precisely because I might find myself reading about something
         | in a topic I know nothing about that's interesting to somebody.
        
         | serial_dev wrote:
         | I actually enjoyed that the topics are broad. I studied
         | physics, but worked as a software developer my whole life.
         | 
         | The topics on the site are stuff that I was interested in at
         | some point in my life: python, GRBs, code style, whatever GPT,
         | thermodynamics and communication.
         | 
         | I used to read papers but I don't anymore, and this site lets
         | me keep discovering topics even if I'm not a scientist anymore.
         | I don't need 25 posts a day on gamma ray bursts, I want one
         | post a week and a fun discussion (which isn't there yet).
        
         | cobertos wrote:
         | Is that a problem though? HN covers a very broad spectrum yet
         | it still functions.
         | 
         | Keeping it broad by allowing any topic but raising the bar to
         | require a peer reviewed paper might even decrease the velocity
         | of conversation, allowing better quality conversation. That is,
         | if the lower velocity can allow a community to form still
        
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