[HN Gopher] Watchmaking: Machining a 0.6 mm Screw [video]
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       Watchmaking: Machining a 0.6 mm Screw [video]
        
       Author : zdw
       Score  : 45 points
       Date   : 2023-02-18 17:51 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
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       | ezequiel-garzon wrote:
       | All of a sudden those expensive timepieces feel underpriced.
        
       | maxbaines wrote:
       | Swiss turning is ideal for this, on a Swiss turning lathe the
       | headstock moves rather than the tool, which improves accuracy.
        
       | 752963e64 wrote:
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       | convolvatron wrote:
       | related question - I learned on a long bed Logan toolroom lathe.
       | cant _really_ cut threads on that guy because of all the slop,
       | but I often do a prepass to get things started before I use a
       | die.
       | 
       | I've really been interested in getting a jewelers lathe with a
       | goal of making smaller parts and particularly screws. but it
       | looks very expensive and intimidating. many thousands of dollars
       | for a few pounds of 100 year old steel with a lot of very fussy
       | and foreign looking tooling. I really love to fix things up and
       | learn, but would love some advice about how to start.
       | 
       | anyone have a suggestion?
        
         | skykooler wrote:
         | If you don't mind having to spend some time on cleaning and
         | oiling, it can often be worth it to get an old lathe from an
         | industrial auction; often you can find them for a few hundred
         | dollars.
        
         | KaiserPro wrote:
         | http://millhillsupplies.co.uk/sherline/sherline-lathes/
         | 
         | Sherline lathes are very small, and I think its what
         | clickspring runs.
        
         | Oxidation wrote:
         | What is the industry standard for a decent, non-antique small
         | manual lathe? Everything I see is either 50+ years old or
         | mediocre-looking Siegs or otherwise suspiciously white-label-
         | ish or it's a super-fancy CNC alien spacecraft that costs
         | substantially more then a house.
        
       | amrb wrote:
       | From my talks with people who machine parts, precision can be
       | super interesting, plus a bunch of equipment to measure from
       | micrometers, calipers to indicators.
        
         | barelyauser wrote:
         | Precision is a marvelous thing. Every detail must be accounted
         | for. I remember reading a brochure about surface plates (a
         | reference of flatness), and the body heat of the person
         | handling it would be accounted for.
        
           | WJW wrote:
           | Some of the highest precision manufacturing in our country is
           | located in extremely rural areas because nearby highways
           | introduce too much vibration otherwise. Even relatively
           | humdrum spindle assembly is typically done in clean rooms to
           | make sure no dust gets in the bearings. Super high precision
           | machining is even more extreme. It's a wonderful thing to
           | dive into but it also makes me happy to be in software
           | sometimes. (That said, my friends in machining are happy
           | they're not in software so take that as you will :)
        
       | bluenose69 wrote:
       | What a lovely little video this is, from start to finish. Very
       | skilful work, indeed!
        
       | KaiserPro wrote:
       | For those who want to learn how to do lathe and machining, there
       | isn't much better than Blondihacks
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6Dnmd3lDzA&list=PLY67-4BrEa...
       | << this is the lathe one
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyuG-B95PQs&list=PLY67-4BrEa...
       | is the one for the small vertical mill.
        
       | Animats wrote:
       | That's how to make a single screw as a one-off, using basic
       | machine tools. That's not a production process.
       | 
       | Screw making was automated by 1871. Here's an early automatic
       | screw machine.[1] The video says 60,000 screws a day, but that
       | must have been the whole shop, not one machine. You can see that
       | the cycle time is about 10 seconds per screw. Who needs
       | computers? We program with _cams!_ Complex cam-programmed
       | industrial machines were what made manufactured parts cheap.
       | 
       | Here's synchronized thread rolling using a CNC lathe.[2] That's a
       | more modern one-off approach. Thread rolling squeezes the threads
       | into the screw, rather than cutting out metal. Rolled small
       | screws are stronger than cut screws. Needs a specialized tool.
       | 
       | That's not the full speed modern production process. This is.[3]
       | A relatively simple machine turns out small screws at about one
       | every 250ms. Over 100,000 screws per shift. This screw rolling
       | machine can go down to 0.6mm, so it can do the job in the
       | original video.
       | 
       | Here's a larger, slower, bolt rolling machine, so you can see the
       | process.[4] It's very simple. A round piece of metal is rolled
       | between two file-grooved die plates, and the threads are pushed
       | into the metal.
       | 
       | This is why screws are cheap.
       | 
       | [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCmnUP5gx78
       | 
       | [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eWghSLN3ng
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       | [3] https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HWmu4gxmois
       | 
       | [4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlfq_Pbh6PQ
        
         | WJW wrote:
         | That high speed machine is wild. Some of the most common parts
         | in the world are crazy accurate but since they are produced in
         | such huge volumes they can still be cheap. Screws and ball
         | bearing that you can buy for $10 a pack are order of magnitude
         | beyond what even a king could buy in the middle ages. I'm not
         | even going into how you can buy processors/memory with features
         | on the order of nanometres for single digit dollar amounts
         | these days.
        
           | mensetmanusman wrote:
           | The iPhone would be over a billion dollars if the world only
           | built 20.
        
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