[HN Gopher] The Eleven Laws of Showrunning [pdf]
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       The Eleven Laws of Showrunning [pdf]
        
       Author : luu
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       Date   : 2023-02-20 11:32 UTC (11 hours ago)
        
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       | qazxcvbnmlp wrote:
       | "For many, the undeniable triumph that is pitching a series idea,
       | having a pilot ordered, successfully producing it, and then
       | having it ordered to series is nothing less than a validation:
       | not only their voice and talent, but also of their Way of Doing
       | Things. This often translates to an intractable adherence to the
       | notion that "my creative process" is so of the essence to success
       | that all other concerns must be made subordinate lest the
       | delicate alchemy that made success possible be snuffed"
       | 
       | Also seen in other fields as "I raised money for my company, so
       | you will do this my way" doesn't matter if the way is good.
        
       | KerryJones wrote:
       | I have almost no interest in showrunning but I enjoy the slightly
       | biting writing style:
       | 
       | "So you finally have the Brass Ring... and guess what? It won't
       | make that you never found a publisher for your first novel any
       | less painful, and it won't make your daddy finally love you, or
       | your spouse more sexually compliant, or your kids less disdainful
       | of your bad puns and clumsy attempts to make them understand that
       | you really DID like and understand that last Sky Ferreira album."
        
       | reillyse wrote:
       | I got to number 5 but I'm guessing brevity never features?
        
       | tdoggette wrote:
       | It's not until the Third Law that the author names a show of his:
       | The Middleman (2008) on ABC Family, a one-and-done cult classic
       | comedy show. That show's quality lends strong credence to the
       | expertise backing up his second and third laws. That show really
       | knew what it was, and every decision top to bottom worked to
       | convey the show's very particular tone and style.
       | 
       | It must have been a real trick to communicate that effectively--
       | The Middleman was like "X-Files meets Doctor Who, but less
       | serious than either, and with a sense of ironic detachment, but
       | not so much detachment that we can't tell stories about emotions,
       | and also everyone talks like they're in a comedy sketch making
       | fun of the dialogue in Buffy the Vampire Slayer."
        
       | ajkjk wrote:
       | This is so good.
        
       | jasmer wrote:
       | It's amazing that in an industry with so much money they don't
       | have accepted norms of professionalism baked in.
       | 
       | Even for startups.
       | 
       | It's almost like VC land should have the rule, 'once the cheque
       | is >$1M, you do this required 2-week long training' hopefully jam
       | packed with essential goodies.
       | 
       | Most of our time in school is academically oriented, nothing in
       | particular applied.
       | 
       | I find that very odd.
        
         | andrewflnr wrote:
         | It's a young industry, as these things go. Just about a
         | century, I think? And that's counting generously, not taking
         | into account growing faster in headcount and budget than it can
         | learn (sound familiar?). A lot of the serious "professions",
         | I'm thinking of e.g. accounting, engineering, or medicine, have
         | histories that go back several centuries, with rules written in
         | blood.
        
       | zug_zug wrote:
       | I love this.
       | 
       | "You can also [motivate] by instilling fear - of job insecurity,
       | of the loss of political capital in the show's hierarchy, or
       | simply the harsh judgment of a capricious father figure. You have
       | the power to be either an enabler of your employees's creativity,
       | or make them the enablers of your whims."
       | 
       | It's refreshing when I find a piece that doesn't reduce the
       | workplace to naive fix-all tropes like "assume positive intent."
       | Of course the film industry just had "me too," so perhaps the
       | lesson is particularly clear there, but it's not like quid-pro-
       | quo doesn't happen in software.
        
       | Animats wrote:
       | That's been around for years. There are two versions. This is the
       | longer, tougher version.
       | 
       | The interesting thing about the culture is that 1) US practice is
       | that TV showrunners are writers, and 2) that all the writing for
       | the season isn't done before starting production. Movies are not
       | usually made that way. The script is usually set before
       | production gets a green light.
        
         | crazygringo wrote:
         | > _1) US practice is that TV showrunners are writers_
         | 
         | Is that different in any other countries? I'm having a hard
         | time imagining what other background a showrunner would come
         | from. E.g. the directing skillset is somewhat related but
         | ultimately very different.
         | 
         | > _2) that all the writing for the season isn 't done before
         | starting production._
         | 
         | Well you certainly can't do that for a 22-episode season,
         | especially as writers very much adapt in real time to what's
         | "working" in the show. It's quite common for a character
         | intended only for a single episode to turn out to be
         | unexpectedly extremely charistmatic and quickly turn into a
         | main character, because of the actor's performance.
         | 
         | But for an hourlong 8-episode prestige drama for HBO, it's not
         | uncommon for all of the writing to be done ahead of time. Or at
         | the very least, the entire story is "broken" (outlined) in
         | detail, even if the dialog isn't written out.
        
           | ghaff wrote:
           | >E.g. the directing skillset is somewhat related but
           | ultimately very different.
           | 
           | Certainly. That's why the showrunner mostly doesn't direct
           | episodes and film directors mostly didn't write the script
           | (though they probably influenced it).
           | 
           | The difference is that films can go through a multi-year
           | development process with things hopefully largely nailed down
           | before production starts--because that's when the bills
           | really start mounting fast.
           | 
           | TV, on the other hand, historically had a lot more writing
           | and production values were often a lot lower. So writing was
           | important (and had to happen relatively quickly) while a
           | solid journeyman director was probably fine. Certainly their
           | name was mostly not a draw for audiences.
           | 
           | (Obviously something like Rings of Power is a lot different
           | from a season of Law and Order.)
        
       | wpietri wrote:
       | Wow, I have worked for this boss for sure:
       | 
       | > In the 1980's, the members of the Berlin Symphony told joke
       | about their notoriously imperious conductor, Herbert Von Karajan.
       | It went like this: The maestro gets into a taxi. The driver asks
       | "Where to?" "It doesn't matter," Von Karajan declaims, "I'm
       | needed EVERYWHERE!"
        
       | xbar wrote:
       | In this quote, there is truth:
       | 
       | "The simple answer is that "simple" doesn't necessarily mean
       | "easy". In my experience, the simplest decisions are often the
       | hardest because they demand a painful concession to an unpleasant
       | truth. "
        
       | ChuckMcM wrote:
       | From the article:
       | 
       |  _The dark side of the drive to prove one 's primacy of vision
       | (colloquially better known as "I'LL SHOW YOU FATHER THAT YOU WERE
       | WRONG TO NOT LOVE ME!") is that inefficient and self-indulgent -
       | and more often than not abusive - senior management is endemic to
       | the television industry. As cable, streaming, and Internet
       | services adopt the television production model to generate
       | content, the problem only gets worse._
       | 
       | For me, this was one of the surprises from Netflix, Amazon, and
       | Apple jumping into funding series production. The observations
       | the author makes are anecdotally confirmed by the various "leaks"
       | in the industry (and yes, this biases the view because people
       | often don't complain about a good thing, I know), and yet rarely
       | is the content produced by the studios working for these new
       | entrants much different than the content produced "en masse" so
       | to speak.
       | 
       | When this started, I expected more "Love Death Robots" kinds of
       | things and less "Game of Thrones wannabes" kinds of things. I'm
       | really curious how it went on the team doing "The Peripheral" (a
       | show that I really liked), vs "Carnival Row" which seems to be
       | "Jane Austen + Steampunk + Fairys" and, again for me at least,
       | not particularly compelling.
       | 
       | As a result I've always wondered if studios did "retros" or look
       | backs to understand how the product evolved, and if the people
       | paying them ever tried to evaluate their process as a means of
       | managing their investments.
       | 
       | I doubt I'll ever know, but I will remain curious about these
       | things.
        
         | ghaff wrote:
         | Cable TV also mostly evolved into more channels of more or less
         | the same thing.
         | 
         | Streaming (outside of YouTube/TikTok/etc.) has done mostly the
         | same thing--albeit with something of a bias towards prestige
         | drama and away from slot filling procedurals. But there's less
         | strikingly original and good stuff than one might like. And
         | even the anthologies have been a mixed bag.
        
       | TchoBeer wrote:
       | not totally related, but I read this initially as "the elven laws
       | of shadowrunning"
        
       | 6gvONxR4sf7o wrote:
       | Lots of parallels with silicon valley corporate life in here.
       | This one in particular rings true to me:
       | 
       | > So, once they have a show on the air, even the most inept of
       | managers - or the most sociopathic of abusers - muddle through
       | and keep their show on the air on something resembling time and
       | on budget: usually by the sweat of a lot of talented individuals
       | who are then denied credit for their toil at the altar of the
       | "visionary auteur"'s brilliance.
       | 
       | As I keep reading, this document is great advice for any manager
       | or project lead, and very well written.
        
         | jobu wrote:
         | It's really a treatise on good leadership and management from
         | the perspective of a showrunner.
         | 
         | There are a bunch of great quotes, but this bit from 4th Law
         | (Make decisions early and often) really hit home for me:
         | 
         | > _But you know what "nice people" and "good bosses" actually
         | do? They rip off the Band-Aid early, make the case for their
         | decision, hear out any remaining arguments to a reasonable
         | degree, then shut down the discussion and send everyone off to
         | get on with their work._
         | 
         | Even worse than making the wrong decision is not making a
         | decision at all, that's true in any leadership position.
        
       | lylejantzi3rd wrote:
       | Out of curiosity: Has anybody ever heard of an engineering
       | manager making the transition to showrunning?
        
         | jasmer wrote:
         | Mike Judge is almost that.
        
         | crazygringo wrote:
         | It's not a lateral move. Aside from the management aspect, it's
         | an entirely different skill set.
         | 
         | If you're an engineering manager who wants to become a
         | showrunner, the process would basically be:
         | 
         | 1) Take a bunch of screenwriting classes until you know you're
         | reliably good at nuts-and-bolts screenwriting, which is far,
         | far harder than you might ever guess. Writing a single
         | compelling scene is hard enough, writing a good TV pilot is
         | shockingly difficult. Time: ~3 years full time, but realize
         | there's a 95+% chance you'll quit as you realize you ultimately
         | don't have the writing chops or discover you simply don't enjoy
         | it after all.
         | 
         | 2) Write a few pilot scripts and use them as a portfolio to get
         | hired in a writer's room on a TV show. Time: 2-3 years because
         | it's going to take a while to write and take a while to get
         | hired, at least on a show that is even somewhat similar to the
         | type of show you ultimately want to showrun
         | 
         | 3) Work for that TV show and then a couple others to build up
         | actual experience, and don't just hang out inside the writer's
         | room. Use the opportunity to get deeply familiar with all
         | aspects of production. Time: 5 years
         | 
         | 4) Now with your knowledge of the industry, write 2-3 excellent
         | pilot scripts you think actually line up with what studios are
         | looking to produce commercially. Shop them around until you a
         | studio funds you. Showrun a pilot. Time: 3-5 years
         | 
         | 5) Your pilot doesn't get picked up because it's too similar to
         | another show that premiered on another network last month and
         | doesn't have great ratings. This has nothing whatsoever to do
         | with the quality of your own show. Repeat step 4, maybe more
         | than once. Time: 3 years
         | 
         | 6) This time your pilot gets picked up. Congrats, you're a
         | showrunner! Total time: 18-ish years??
         | 
         | So obviously it's better if you quit your engineering manager
         | job at age 22 or 25. But age doesn't really matter in
         | showrunning except for your own energy level. Being 50 or 60
         | and running a show is pretty normal. So even if you want to
         | make the move at 40, it's totally doable, if you have the
         | writing talent.
         | 
         | Now of course yes there are a few genius/lucky types that made
         | a hit YouTube series on their iPhone and got their own show a
         | year later (e.g. _Broad City_ ). But that's not usually how it
         | works, unless you've really truly got something _incredibly_
         | fresh and relevant to say. If you _know_ you 've got lightning
         | in a bottle, then the above timeline doesn't apply.
        
         | walterbell wrote:
         | Documentary director rather than TV showrunner, Charles
         | Ferguson was the founder of Vermeer which created FrontPage,
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Ferguson_(filmmaker)
         | 
         | He also wrote one of the best startup failure-and-recovery
         | books, _" High Stakes, No Prisoners"_,
         | https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2719001
        
         | sogen wrote:
         | In The Offer, the tv series deals about The Godfather, and the
         | main guy jumping from tech to show running.
        
         | CyberDildonics wrote:
         | I don't think people with no knowledge of entertainment
         | productions typically "transition" into the highest position
         | orchestrating the use of many millions of dollars and hundreds
         | of people.
        
           | CalChris wrote:
           | No, Hollywood attracts talent broadly. You'll still serve an
           | apprenticeship, reading scripts, ..., but my anecdote is
           | walking across the parking lot on the way to a meeting at
           | Paramount and seeing a US Naval Academy license plate frame.
        
             | CyberDildonics wrote:
             | No, I don't think transitioning to an entry level position
             | is the same as 'transitioning' to the highest possible
             | position.
             | 
             | That's like someone asking if they can 'transition' to
             | being the CEO of a nationally known company.
        
           | tough wrote:
           | If the millions are yours you can certainly do as you wish
           | with them tho.
        
             | dylan604 wrote:
             | the old adage in show business was to never spend your own
             | money. with the plethora of streaming options, that has
             | been turned on its head. look at all of the shows where the
             | lead talent is also an executive producer (the ones that
             | write the checks).
        
               | rtsil wrote:
               | Most of these are either vanity credits, or just a way
               | for the star to participate in the profits beyond salary
               | and royalties.
        
               | yamtaddle wrote:
               | I assume this is why everydamnthing has like 20 producers
               | now.
        
               | dylan604 wrote:
               | Or you have a project that as an actor you really want to
               | perform a certain role so you show your commitment by
               | putting up some money to get the project rolling. One of
               | the common ways for financing media projects is where
               | someone is willing to match someone else's contribution.
               | The slimey parts come in when the original funding that
               | is matched is guaranteed to be paid back first before
               | others are paid, but that's not unique to the film
               | industry
        
               | klodolph wrote:
               | Writes the checks [?] spending your own money.
               | 
               | The executive producer is in some senses a liaison
               | between the people providing the money and the people
               | spending the money.
               | 
               | I may be mixing this up. I know that "producer" and
               | "executive producer" are somewhat different roles
               | depending on whether you're doing TV or film.
        
               | CalChris wrote:
               | Studio = Yale Investment Office, limited partner
               | Producer = VC, general partner leading a funding
               | Writer = Startup CTO, founder       Director = Startup
               | CEO
               | 
               | It's a little different because studios greenlight and
               | producers generally don't. But there are a lot more
               | startups than movies or tv shows. Well, maybe studios
               | don't greenlight development deals (seed startups).
        
               | dylan604 wrote:
               | Depending on the studio, they can be much more than a
               | limited partner. They can be providing the facilities to
               | office out of for pre-production and development, the
               | actual production work using their soundstages and other
               | properties, and to do post-production.
        
               | gamblor956 wrote:
               | No, sorry, you have it all wrong.
               | 
               | Investors = Investors
               | 
               | Studio = VC, etc.
               | 
               | Executive Producer = CEO, COO, CLO, anybody with
               | decision-making power
               | 
               | Lead Writer = lead designer, i.e., the Johnny Ives
               | 
               | Writer = designer
               | 
               | Director = project manager or product manager
               | 
               | Producer = the weird old guy who let you use their house
               | during your ramen phase, that investor who thinks he
               | cofounded your startup because he gave you a bunch of
               | money, the salesperson who landed the really big client
               | and was given the recognition for it
        
               | dylan604 wrote:
               | Wow, I think this is probably one of those things trying
               | to be funny but just isn't. Maybe you're just totally
               | misguided on what a producer does, which may be the joke
               | you're trying to make that nobody knows what a producer
               | does.
               | 
               | The producer would be closer to the president of the
               | board while the director would be the CEO. The producer
               | and director work closely to get the project off the
               | ground, with the director have say on who is hired for
               | the key roles (the lead person for each craft). These
               | keys then can staff out around them and the director
               | rarely interferes unless there's just something personal
               | going on.
               | 
               | Who the creator/founder equivalent is really differs
               | between projects. Sometimes, the producer has the idea
               | and staffs around it. Sometimes, the director has the
               | idea and also acts as a producer or just staffs the
               | producer out to someone. Sometimes, it's the studio's
               | idea and staffs everything out.
        
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           | swatcoder wrote:
           | Nah, I don't know _specific_ examples that satisfy the OP 's
           | original question, but writing for entertainment (and
           | showrunning as a management-level tier of that track) is just
           | a career transition like any other.
           | 
           | People who've had one professional career and been grinding
           | on their writing on the side absolutely make the leap and
           | move their way up. Often, their break comes from writing from
           | their expertise. If you dig through shows about medicine,
           | law, policing, etc etc, you'll often find several writers who
           | were worked in those fields.
           | 
           | Not every writer was a barista until they made their break.
           | Some of them were indeed lawyers and engineers.
        
             | CyberDildonics wrote:
             | This sounds like you are talking about people transitioning
             | to being a writer, not a show runner.
             | 
             | That's like someone saying "has anyone transitioned to
             | running cartoon network?" and someone else saying "people
             | have transitioned to being an animator, which is almost the
             | same thing".
        
               | swatcoder wrote:
               | No, there are _many_ showrunners. It's essentially just a
               | management-like writing position for any of the thousands
               | of scripted programs that produced each year.
               | 
               | It's an achievement to be proud of, just like being a
               | partner at a law firm or an mid-high position at a high-
               | profile FAANG, but it's not as rarified as you seem to
               | think.
        
               | CyberDildonics wrote:
               | No, it can't be a middle management position if you're
               | the one in charge of the entire project.
               | 
               | Also no, people don't transition from middle management
               | in one industry to the top position of another industry.
        
               | swatcoder wrote:
               | They're not in charge of the project any more than any
               | other project/product manager.
               | 
               | Somebody else is still making final go and stop decisions
               | on their projects, setting their budget, demanding stupid
               | details, etc. They're just in charge of wrangling _some_
               | of the creative and production processes and get to take
               | credit for the overall creative vision of the project (or
               | blame their execs /peers/staff if they're unhappy with
               | it). Literally the same as in any other industry.
               | 
               | I don't know why I keep replying, but any reasonably
               | social 40+ adult who had lived in SoCal personally knows
               | showrunners as well as people in most other roles in the
               | industry. Some have even held some of those roles! This
               | isn't some made up basement-dwelled bs that I'm sharing
               | with you; this is actual ground knowledge.
        
               | CyberDildonics wrote:
               | You might be confusing a 'runner' on a show, which is an
               | entry level production position with 'show runner' which
               | would be the person in charge of the entire show.
        
               | gamblor956 wrote:
               | I don't think you understand what a showrunner is.
               | 
               | The showrunner _is_ in charge of the stop-and-go
               | decisions, the details, spending the budget allocated by
               | the studio. They hire the key crewmembers (DOP, lead
               | writer if not the showrunner, casting director, etc. who
               | then build out the cast and crew. They are as in charge
               | of production as they choose to be: some showrunners
               | micromanage, while others let their crew have a
               | relatively free hand to do their jobs.
               | 
               | Of course the studio (usually) has final approval;
               | they're paying for the show. But that doesn't mean the
               | showrunner isn't the boss. It just means that...like
               | every CEO...they still answer to the person with the
               | piggy bank.
               | 
               | Also, showrunners aren't as common as you seem to think
               | they are. You might be mixing up showrunners with
               | producers? Producers are as common as weeds. Frequently,
               | writers and cast members are given producing
               | responsibilities and credits for an episode or two, as
               | are many investors, and generally anyone who handles a
               | task that is in any way related to production and has the
               | leverage to demand some sort of credit.
        
               | ghaff wrote:
               | Very few people don't operate under constraints. Even an
               | executive producer (= showrunner) who owns their own
               | production company needs to sell their projects to
               | clients though there are presumably more options these
               | days and people supplying money do expect some say in the
               | final product most of the time.
               | 
               | But that's true of Oscar winning directors and senior
               | partners at architectural firms. It's even true of the
               | studio boss if he's had a string of flops.
        
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