[HN Gopher] Four Ways to Build Web Apps
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       Four Ways to Build Web Apps
        
       Author : tphummel
       Score  : 76 points
       Date   : 2023-02-20 17:51 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
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       | dgb23 wrote:
       | This is a nice little overview that is not afraid of being
       | opinionated.
       | 
       | It leaves out some of the affordances that CF Pages, Vercel and
       | Netlify provide. (Discussed as option 1 in the article). Those
       | are of course moving targets that provide more stuff every few
       | months.
        
         | razor_router wrote:
         | Thank you for your informative comment! I'm glad you found the
         | article to be opinionated. It is definitely true that the
         | options discussed in the article are moving targets and they
         | are providing more services and features every few months. I
         | agree that this article didn't cover every single detail, but I
         | hope it still provided a good overview of some of the main
         | features and differences between the platforms.
        
       | rexreed wrote:
       | Why not PHP on a shared or dedicated hosted server?
        
       | arcturus17 wrote:
       | I could do this, or I could just throw good old React or a
       | derivative framework at whatever UI I have to build and be done
       | with it.
        
         | omarfarooq wrote:
         | How does that solve for backend? This mentions web apps.
        
       | margorczynski wrote:
       | Well there's also another, more oldschool, option - distribution
       | via floppies and CDs. Lot of good zines were distributed this
       | way. Just joking.
       | 
       | On a more serious note - it is good to be aware and track how
       | much we are tied to a given service. Because we might end up
       | being taken hostage by the Cloud provider who can extort us for a
       | long time before we manage to migrate.
        
         | glutamate wrote:
         | you could also just `apt install nginx docker.io postgresql`
         | then `docker --restart=always ...`
        
       | glutamate wrote:
       | So sad. So the choice is closed source platform lock-in, a single
       | Linux server with SQLite as database, or kubernetes?
       | 
       | -an old man yelling at the cloud.
        
         | paulgb wrote:
         | Option #4 will give you autoscaling without having to deal with
         | k8s.
         | 
         | IIRC all of the options listed still involve writing a
         | Dockerfile, though. Render.com, Cyclic.sh, and Railway.app are
         | also in that category(ish) but will automate the build more
         | like Heroku. (this is off the top of my head, please correct if
         | I misremembered anything)
        
           | glutamate wrote:
           | I quite like Docker. It solves the "it works on my machine"
           | problem by being reproducible-enough. And I can still run it
           | locally.
           | 
           | My argument is not against innovation but against mindshare
           | capture by platform capitalism.
        
           | jjtheblunt wrote:
           | fly.io can construct the dockerfile and shenanigans for your
           | source code tree, last i saw.
        
         | mpeg wrote:
         | Cloudflare open sourced workerd, the workers runtime. [0]
         | 
         | Of course there is more to the platform than just that, but
         | your code isn't exactly unportable anyway.
         | 
         | [0]: https://blog.cloudflare.com/workerd-open-source-workers-
         | runt...
        
       | thepasswordis wrote:
       | Blog posts like this always strike me as...weird.
       | 
       | This seems like "how to build a web app for a very tiny subset of
       | people who don't want to learn about deploying web apps".
       | 
       | Maybe I'm in a bubble? It seems like 99% of the people I know
       | actually running profitable companies have an infrastructure that
       | roughly matches to "some Linux server somewhere", and then upward
       | from there it all just moves to AWS/azure, but it's still just
       | some Linux machines maybe with a load balancer in front of them.
       | 
       | If you're writing software and don't seem covered by this blog
       | post, don't feel like you're out of the loop on something. I
       | think this author is just writing about the subset of the ways
       | that he knows about.
       | 
       | I mean honestly "HUGO static sites"...how about a directory of
       | html files hosted by nginx or Apache?
        
         | dgb23 wrote:
         | > I mean honestly "HUGO static sites"...how about a directory
         | of html files hosted by nginx or Apache?
         | 
         | Whether you put HTML files on the mentioned services or have a
         | build step with a static site generator is not the point.
         | 
         | Where does your nginx server run, how do you keep it up and
         | running, how you do provision it, how do your files end up on
         | the server?
         | 
         | You can write a bunch of shell scripts and do all of this on a
         | cheap VM for 5 bucks. Or you can get it for free on some of
         | these services with git integration, global caching, web hooks,
         | previews, cheap storage, image optimization etc. You get
         | unlimited or at least a lot of sites and it's all automatic. On
         | some you can even just drag and drop a directory into their web
         | interface and the website is there in a couple of seconds.
         | 
         | It's basically a different layer of abstraction that's
         | free/cheap and works nicely for simple use cases or as a
         | specialized part of a more complex deployment architecture.
         | 
         | I have personally recommended netlify, cloudflare etc. to
         | people who have the technical ability to write HTML/CSS or use
         | a static site generator. Those things are very easy to use and
         | carry around less risk than having to provision and configure a
         | web server yourself.
        
           | satvikpendem wrote:
           | Free, for now. Once the higher interest rate environment
           | becomes more normalized, I would not be surprised to see many
           | services become paid.
        
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       | bertjk wrote:
       | > Eliminate the need to manage and inject API tokens into
       | containers and servers and instead authorize containers and
       | servers to perform those operations.
       | 
       | What does this look like in practice? Can someone provide example
       | scenarios that this is describing?
        
         | linux2647 wrote:
         | Example: you don't need AWS keys to write to SQS because the
         | EC2 instance has an identity ("principal") applied to it, and
         | SQS has been configured trust requests from said identity for
         | some set of queues. It's typically cloud-specific in the
         | implementation and the resources being requested
        
           | acedTrex wrote:
           | So really we are just recreating windows auth
        
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