[HN Gopher] Turn your backyard into a biodiversity hotspot
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       Turn your backyard into a biodiversity hotspot
        
       Author : sohkamyung
       Score  : 252 points
       Date   : 2023-02-27 13:20 UTC (9 hours ago)
        
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       | revx wrote:
       | We replaced our front yard with native plants and I love it. Plan
       | to do this with my back yard as soon as I can afford it. I
       | specifically chose a house in a part of our city with no HOA
       | because I don't ever want to go back to monoculture of grass.
       | Such a waste of space.
        
         | MR_Bulldops wrote:
         | I did this last year and it was incredibly satisfying. If I
         | amrunning errands and near a nursery I'll stop by and get a new
         | plant or two. Slowly filling it in and watching all the nature
         | is nice.
         | 
         | Our back yard is about 4x bigger, but I'll be tackling that
         | shortly too! Our neighborhood is a mix of lawns, manicured
         | landscaping, and natural gardens. Lawns are slowly becoming
         | less frequent.
        
       | InCityDreams wrote:
       | >Turn your backyard into a biodiversity hotspot I did. Fucking
       | gangster father-in-law came and mowed the lot down...12ft+ to 3"
       | in less than a couple of hours. Fair play to the dude - he
       | thought I was un- able/ willing to do the chopping. When he got
       | it that I wanted it all to grow he was very, very apologetic, and
       | from thereon, did so. Neighbors hated me.
        
       | thatfunkymunki wrote:
       | I saw an awesome video of someone doing something like this at
       | their property https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LvaX748pVI . I
       | was really impressed with how much the local ecosystem took to
       | it, so rapidly
        
       | v8xi wrote:
       | Living in the Bay Area, I adore the tall grasses growing on the
       | eastern foothills - you get a nice close-up taking e.g. I-680 to
       | Livermore - and would love to replace much of my yard with the
       | native grasses, but I don't even know where to begin in
       | identifying what species they are, and where to get seed.
        
       | tambourine_man wrote:
       | https://archive.is/FGLCS
        
       | alexwasserman wrote:
       | There are also some interesting larger projects focused on insect
       | health and diversity like Brighton (in the UK) mandating Bee
       | Bricks: https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/bee-and-swift-bricks-
       | mandate...
       | 
       | These are similar in design to the bee/insect hotels you find,
       | but build as a brick, with the holes facing out, allowing insects
       | a place to nest, and to fight the loss of bee populations.
        
         | voisin wrote:
         | The only issue is that I am pretty sure you need to clean them
         | out every so often. I don't think mason bees will take over
         | another bee's nest.
        
       | autokad wrote:
       | city gardens things make no sense (when it comes to eating said
       | items). Soil in cities can become contaminated by various
       | pollutants such as heavy metals, pesticides, industrial
       | chemicals, and automobile exhaust. These contaminants can have
       | harmful effects on human health and the environment.
       | 
       | I'm in favor of gardens, but eating the food? gosh that's a bad
       | idea
        
       | farmerrishi wrote:
       | Funny that these ideas are still making "news". I feel like I'm
       | surrounded with people who figured out a long while ago that
       | human's are and have always been necessary to the health of our
       | ecosystems. Our current sad state of affairs is caused not by
       | human intervention, but by human neglect of our relatives on this
       | planet.
       | 
       | 99% of human cultures have been gardeners, cultivating land to
       | increase diversity, energy, and abundance. Colonization fucked
       | that up on a worldwide scale, and created this new narrative of
       | humans in opposition to Earth.
       | 
       | I've been working with a partner to change that by connecting
       | people to urban gardens where they can see "human care of Earth"
       | in action. Its called healinggardens.co . Check it out.
        
       | acabal wrote:
       | Planting native plants is very rewarding, and you don't need a
       | lot of space to do it, either.
       | 
       | The only space for greenery in our condo, located in a major
       | urban center, is a small strip of mud at the side of the
       | building. A few years ago I seeded it with native plants, and
       | they grew spectacularly. Spring through fall we have colorful
       | native flowers that attract a huge amount of bees of various
       | species, butterflies, and other pollinators - in the middle of a
       | giant city!
       | 
       | It's a great feeling to step outside and see flowers and greenery
       | that belong, covered in busy life that was never there before!
       | You don't need a lot of space, and you can do it in a city too.
        
       | jhoogland wrote:
       | Check out healthyyards.org for a treasure trove of information.
       | (Disclosure: this is my mom's initiative, and I am a momma's
       | boy.)
        
       | jhoogland wrote:
       | Check out https://healthyyards.org for a treasure trove of
       | information. (Disclosure: this is my mom's initiative, and I am a
       | momma's boy.)
        
       | Joel_Mckay wrote:
       | "biodiversity hotspot" a.k.a. Rodent + Insect farm for the rest
       | of the neighborhood to complain about.
       | 
       | Maybe move out of urban centers if you want agriculture. Most
       | rodents are nocturnal, and will damage/infest surrounding
       | structures. Gross, but true.
       | 
       | Have a great day =)
        
       | Decabytes wrote:
       | I've always had a dream to buy a plot of land and homestead. But
       | I have family that is getting older and needs my help more often.
       | The though of being far away from essential services like
       | Hospitals is not ideal. Also I'm still too early in my career to
       | make that move.
       | 
       | So, more recently I've been thinking of an idea I call "urban
       | homesteading", which is just based off the idea of not waiting
       | until the perfect circumstances to start something. Nothing about
       | living in the suburbs prevents me from doing like 80% of what I
       | would do homesteading. I can still...
       | 
       | 1. Can/Preserve/Dehydrate/Vacuum seal Food
       | 
       | 2. Build up a supply of essential non perishable food
       | 
       | 3. Grow food I can eat in a garden
       | 
       | 4. Build things with the materials I have instead of buying them
       | 
       | 5. Fix and repair old stuff I have instead of buying new stuff
       | 
       | 6. Reduce my reliance on City Water, Electricity, Gas, while
       | still enjoying the benefits
       | 
       | Sure I might not have the most space or privacy having neighbors
       | on all sides but so what. I don't have a big backyard, but I
       | don't really need one as there is a large park 3 minutes from my
       | front door that I can walk to. Other than enough space for a
       | small deck and grill I can devote the rest of my backyard to a
       | garden. I'm slowly building up towards this, but I'm starting
       | slowly so that it isn't overwhelming
        
         | mooreds wrote:
         | I had an instructor once who advised younger folks who were not
         | ready to buy land to spend some money on really good gardening
         | tools.
         | 
         | I see you mentioned gardening. You can also get a plot in a
         | community garden in some towns, or volunteer on a CSA farm,
         | which gives you some food growing capacity (and grows your
         | skills).
        
         | frereubu wrote:
         | I posted this on another comment, but you might be interested
         | in permaculture, where ease of maintenance is key within a
         | context of sustainable living. These are two of its originators
         | talking about how they set up their plot, in a relatively
         | built-up part of Victoria in Australia:
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss1BjW2kSNs I find it
         | incredibly inspiring.
        
           | voisin wrote:
           | Only tools a permaculturist needs are a shovel and a hammock
           | :-)
        
         | dylan604 wrote:
         | I'm all for this, and I too have been attempting this at
         | various levels. However, the one thing that I have come to
         | respect is that farming to be self sustainable is capital H
         | hard. To grow enough to sustain just you and your family means
         | a much larger plot would be required than I originally
         | appreciated. Weather is a huge factor on whether your plants
         | will yield enough, and it is something absolutely out of your
         | control. After that, you have pest control from insects to
         | animals. The more effective you want to be about those just
         | increases the costs of everything.
         | 
         | I've considered turning part of my yard into a larger garden
         | plot, but since it's a rental, it's hard to want to expend the
         | effort. So I've stuck with container gardening with a few
         | raised beds.
         | 
         | I haven't quite gone the level of canning (not enough yield for
         | that), but I have been drying the herbs I grow. This winter was
         | the first time that I've used them for soups, and will be doing
         | this at a larger volume this year.
        
         | justajot wrote:
         | Yes!! I love the awareness here.
        
         | gibspaulding wrote:
         | My wife and I did something like this for a while (before
         | moving out of town to a more traditional farmstead last year).
         | You won't be able to grow all of your own meat or grain, but
         | you can fit a ton of tomatoes, peppers, squash, etc. in a city
         | lot. We're on track for our canned tomatoes to make it through
         | to next harvest from a poorly managed ~200 square foot plot for
         | example. We ran out of frozen peppers and onions recently, but
         | those had a rough start since we moved in in June so they had a
         | late start.
         | 
         | We were also allowed to keep up to 6 hens which were enough to
         | keep two people in eggs and provided excellent compost.
        
           | bmitc wrote:
           | > We were also allowed to keep up to 6 hens which were enough
           | to keep two people in eggs and provided excellent compost.
           | 
           | About how many eggs per week or month was that producing?
           | We're allowed a certain amount of chickens, and I have
           | considered it. What was the maintenance like?
        
       | morgango wrote:
       | So, not unrelated was a post from reddit where someone built a
       | little better environment for a frog in their yard:
       | https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/11czhbt/g...
       | and they ended up with a zoo.
       | 
       | While whimsical, it shows very how adjusting your environment
       | just a little bit can really attract wildlife.
        
         | bmitc wrote:
         | That's hilarious. Like what you said, that's really amazing
         | about how small changes propagate. It's crazy how wildlife
         | finds stuff. They know what they're doing.
        
       | rini17 wrote:
       | Nice and I have it, including pond with frogs!
       | 
       | Earned me solid concrete walls from all sides though, neighbors
       | are concerned about weeds.
        
       | seatac76 wrote:
       | I don't have the privilege of a backyard but I've been doing
       | square foot gardening on my balcony for about 3 years.
       | 
       | Have been using Merlin Bird ID to track birds that have visited
       | the garden + bird feeder. I have so far logged 23 species which
       | took me by surprise. The number of insects and birds visiting
       | regularly is truly humbling, anecdotal but the premise of the
       | article certainly rings true to me.
        
       | banga wrote:
       | Another good resource for those interested:
       | https://homegrownnationalpark.org/tallamys-hub-1
       | 
       | I'm not affiliated, just have high regard for Tallamy's work.
        
       | throwawaaarrgh wrote:
       | When I made one 8x2.5 high density raised bed on my stoop in
       | Philly, I got: Birds, squirrels, butterflies, moths, wasps,
       | caterpillars, praying mantis, aphids, worms, grubs, ants,
       | ladybugs, bees, and more. I grew tomatoes, zucchini, eggplant,
       | bell peppers, basil, thyme, oregano, lavender, bee balm,
       | broccoli, lettuce mix, and beans, and had ornamenral flowers to
       | attract pollinators.
       | 
       | I'd set up a chair and just watch like it was the nature channel.
       | Every time a bee would come visit, I would rejoice. The whole
       | city melted away and I was plunged into a tiny living ecosystem.
       | Absolutely the best investment I've ever made for my quality of
       | life.
        
       | ilamont wrote:
       | This is more about community urban gardens than backyard
       | habitats, which are different on several dimensions, such as tree
       | cover, water access, and sunlight. Nevertheless it dovetails
       | nicely with a discussion late last year, "I built a wildlife
       | pond" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33952437).
       | 
       | Even man-made habitats which incorporate plants and features that
       | are amenable to plant and animal life will flourish, and attract
       | animals that its creators never envisioned whether it's bees
       | looking for flowers or mammals drinking at the pond.
        
       | bmitc wrote:
       | After getting a house with a decent sized yard and trees, I have
       | been having a lot of fun with planting native plants. While my
       | neighbors are cutting down trees, which is honestly hard to
       | watch, and paying landscapers to plant non-native plants, I'm
       | spending a lot of time researching and planting native plants. It
       | is honestly one of the more fulfilling things to walk outside and
       | see all sorts of bees, butterflies, moths, rabbits, chipmunks,
       | squirrels, and birds living their lives. They all work so hard
       | that it is inspiring. I'm looking forward to spring again for
       | this exact reason.
       | 
       | I sort of disagree with the article though. I think one should
       | actually take a relatively hardline approach to planting only
       | native plants. Just because you have a lot of activity around a
       | plant doesn't mean it's the _right_ activity. You could be
       | attracting non-regional and non-native species which is
       | generating the activity.
       | 
       | And honestly, native plant species are _easy_. If you plant them
       | in the right place, they will grow very easily and strongly with
       | minimal care. Then you can collect their seeds. I am really
       | hoping that all the milkweed we 're planting brings more
       | monarchs. Last year, we saw a couple.
       | 
       | I like Douglas Tallamy's books _Bringing Nature Home_ and _Nature
       | 's Best Hope_.
        
         | onos wrote:
         | I don't really understand the logic behind native only, beyond
         | the desire not to introduce a plant or creature that would
         | monopolize their environment.
        
           | onlyrealcuzzo wrote:
           | Modern vegetables are essentially "non-native".
           | 
           | Is it discouraged to have a vegetable garden these days?
           | 
           | Are we still allowed to grow carrots outside of Iran and
           | Afghanistan without being frowned on?
        
           | Loughla wrote:
           | In my experience, it's multi-faceted. First, is the ease of
           | integration. Native plants are, well, naturally better suited
           | for your area. If you select a flower that grows natively in
           | your area, it will be okay as long as you match the sun
           | requirements. Second, they take less maintenance. Less water
           | and little- to no-fertilizing, because they're already well
           | suited to the climate and soil. Third, is that they are
           | almost guaranteed not to be invasive. And finally, you don't
           | have to worry about introducing anything toxic to the native
           | fauna inadvertently. If it's toxic, they already do not eat
           | it.
           | 
           | For me, it was that they are super easy to take care of, and
           | thrive under conditions that would murder "standard" sorts of
           | landscaping plants. I'm forgetful, and a watering schedule is
           | just not an option for my poor, poor brain.
        
           | Scarblac wrote:
           | I want to make the local ecosystems stronger.
           | 
           | Native plants should grow well, but there are also many
           | organisms around to fertilize them, prey on them, symbiose
           | with them, eat their fallen leaves, and so on.
           | 
           | Everything else in the ecosystem from the microbes, fungi and
           | insects up is native, so it seems obvious to me that the
           | plants should be as well.
        
           | jonnycomputer wrote:
           | The rhetoric and tone around natives and non-natives can be
           | problematic. However, the ability for a specific species to
           | thrive isn't a really good index into the health and
           | resilience of whole ecosystems. One of the reasons that non-
           | native plants often thrive, sometimes at the expense of other
           | native plants, is the relative lack of predation. I think it
           | was only a week or so ago that there was a post on HN about
           | how white-tailed deer are becoming a threat to native plants
           | and a boon to non-native plants because (a) no natural
           | predators to keep deer populations down and (b) deer
           | generally prefer eating native plants.
           | 
           | Anecdotally, looking at the invasive Amur Honeysuckle on my
           | property, its leaves remain pristinely green well into Fall,
           | but by comparison, other comparable native plants have leaves
           | eaten by insects, covered in molds, etc. There can be a
           | competitive advantage to being the new plant on the block;
           | but that competitive advantage is clearly at the expense of
           | anything that relies on those native plants to live.
           | 
           | Generally however, invasive plants tend to be those that like
           | to colonize disturbed areas, and they tend to be plants that
           | are easy to grow (and so people like them). The greatest
           | threat, imo, is the continued and ongoing disturbance of the
           | land, and, the continued introduction of _new_ non-native
           | plants (primarily via the large commercial nurseries).
        
           | bmitc wrote:
           | What do you not understand about it? Just trying to address
           | any specific questions you might have.
           | 
           | Here's some bullet points I've collected in my head. I'm not
           | an expert and am still learning. See the links below.
           | Planting native plants:
           | 
           | - reduces watering and fertilization needs, if not removing
           | them, because native plants are built for the area they're
           | planted in
           | 
           | - attracts _native_ insects, which further attracts native
           | predators like birds, mammals, and other insects. Non-native
           | plants can attract a lot of activity, but it can be harmful
           | to the overall ecosystem, as non-native pollinators are not
           | evolved to interact with the regional ecosystems and are thus
           | far less effective
           | 
           | - Non-native plants can not only monopolize the environment,
           | but they can be highly detrimental to the soil, stripping it
           | of nutrients
           | 
           | - Native plants are developed primarily locally and thus
           | reduce emissions compared to having to ship around non-native
           | plants everywhere to all the big box stores and nurseries
           | 
           | - Ecosystems contain individual species that evolved
           | together. By replacing entire plant systems with non-native
           | plants, you interrupt the system. This is not good because
           | things get of whack. Things evolve but not in healthy ways,
           | such as often encouraging non-native wildlife.
           | 
           | - Pollinators are extremely endangered but extremely
           | important, not to just their local ecosystems but to humans
           | as well. They are what allows our agriculture to be
           | successful. It doesn't make any sense to smoke them out.
           | 
           | - Native plants are more efficient at carbon capture.
           | 
           | https://www.audubon.org/content/why-native-plants-matter
           | 
           | https://www.monarchgard.com/what-we-believe.html
           | 
           | https://homegrownnationalpark.org/
           | 
           | Honestly, the _only_ reason to plant non-native plants is
           | vanity.
        
             | AlotOfReading wrote:
             | All of these things are partially true, but not fully.
             | 
             | Your yard is only rarely representative of the "natural"
             | ecosystem that would otherwise exist. Generalist species
             | may find your yard similar enough to thrive, but
             | specialists (carnivorous plants are a popular example)
             | likely will not even if they're native to the immediate
             | area.
             | 
             | Non-natives can actually be even more efficient than
             | natives at many things, including carbon capture. Prickly
             | pear is a highly invasive example that outcompetes native
             | crops with higher efficiency photosynthesis, huge
             | adaptability to arid environments, and massive carbon
             | capture potential due to its rapid growth rate.
             | 
             | Speaking of prickly pear, it's a native family in much of
             | the western US, but it remains invasive in yards throughout
             | that range because the ecological succession that would
             | naturally control its reproduction takes decades and isn't
             | allowed to occur. Don't plant it.
             | 
             | Your yard is a cultivated environment. Be cognizant of what
             | you're planting and how it interacts. Natives are often a
             | good choice, but there are perfectly valid reasons to plant
             | non-natives or avoid certain natives.
        
             | onos wrote:
             | Thanks for your response. I'll think on your points.
             | 
             | FWIW, In my area of the world I hear about non natives
             | being bad but they often seem to grow very well, eg in the
             | wild. So it seems to me that they are often well suited to
             | the local environment. The concern then seems to me to be
             | an implicit preference for what was already here over new
             | comers. To me, seems a bit "anti immigrant" and I just
             | can't relate.
             | 
             | I definitely appreciate the point that we should avoid
             | catastrophic decrease in diversity, and bringing in foreign
             | plants could raise risk of that.
        
               | HEmanZ wrote:
               | One point on top of the poster that I think also matters,
               | especially if you want more people to get involved:
               | aesthetics.
               | 
               | Any regions of the world people actually live have really
               | beautiful natural plants that are often excluded from
               | peoples yards just because it's not what the builder has
               | massive stockpile of. You can use local plants to make
               | your property look distinctly and beautifully "of a
               | place" and not some e.g generic American burb or "trying
               | to imitate" some other place (palm trees in Seattle, im
               | looking at you)
        
               | jonnycomputer wrote:
               | See my comment above, but one reason they thrive is lack
               | of predation.
               | 
               | And yes, the rhetoric can be feel very anti-immigrant
               | (something my immigrant spouse picked up on very quickly)
        
           | Flozzin wrote:
           | Many insects that are native to the area have co-evolved with
           | the native plants. Which means that, non-native plants are
           | not always the best fit for those insects. So planting native
           | plants, usually means a plant better suited to live in that
           | environment, but also, a plant that better benefits the
           | native animal/insect life.
        
           | MR_Bulldops wrote:
           | "beyond the desire not to introduce a plant or creature that
           | would monopolize their environment"
           | 
           | That is reason enough to avoid non-natives and invasive
           | species.
           | 
           | They reduce biodiversity making a habitat more brittle and
           | boring. And they may spread beyond the bounds of your
           | property, negatively affecting others.
        
             | dahfizz wrote:
             | Not every single non-native species is invasive and would
             | take over your whole property.
        
           | quercusa wrote:
           | As others have recommended, check out Douglas Tallamy's
           | _Bringing Nature Home_. He 's an entomologist and sets out a
           | very clear connection between native plants, native insects,
           | and the larger ecosystem.
        
         | wcarron wrote:
         | > I sort of disagree with the article though. I think one
         | should actually take a relatively hardline approach to planting
         | only native plants. Just because you have a lot of activity
         | around a plant doesn't mean it's the right activity. You could
         | be attracting non-regional and non-native species which is
         | generating the activity.
         | 
         | I disagree. Native plants are great, but so are tomatoes or
         | some bell and habanero peppers. You're projecting your personal
         | opinions on what makes a garden good. To some, a good garden is
         | defined by its native-plant biodiversity. To others, it's
         | getting fresh herbs for salads at dinner. To others it is
         | something else. It's not an either-or thing. You can plant many
         | things and reap varying benefits.
        
           | bmitc wrote:
           | I was distinguishing plants from crops. I think it's
           | perfectly fine to be growing non-native vegetables and fruits
           | that you'd like to eat or sell.
        
             | nonethewiser wrote:
             | They have the same downsides you identified for plants.
        
             | wcarron wrote:
             | Ah, gotcha. Makes sense.
        
               | bmitc wrote:
               | Your points were good though! I haven't yet started
               | gardening for fruits and vegetables but would like to at
               | some point.
        
               | SirLJ wrote:
               | With edibles is getting tricky because everyone is eating
               | everything... sometimes just one bite from a nice big
               | tomato enough to ruin it.... Best to plant a lot to have
               | for you, or plan for the ugly nettings and enclosures....
               | One thing that usually works are cherry tomatoes enough
               | for you and the critters....
        
           | djtriptych wrote:
           | Is it fair to call it personal opinion if it's also the
           | ecologist consensus viewpoint?
        
         | jlglover wrote:
         | I completely agree with most of your points. I have a spot in
         | my garden where I want to plant a large native tree, probably
         | an oak. I would love to plant all natives, except that they
         | quickly get eaten by deer in my neighborhood. Even many "deer
         | resistant" varieties like coneflower and beebalm. Of course,
         | this make no sense, since deer and native plants should have
         | evolved to survive beside one another. I think this
         | contradiction is because the local deer population is just much
         | much higher than the historical levels, since they have no
         | natural predators here. My neighbors say they weren't a problem
         | until recent decades. I was somewhat skeptical, except that I
         | see many plant varieties thriving in the 2012 Google streetview
         | shots that would not be feasible to grow today.
        
           | is_true wrote:
           | You could buy a bow and do some management. It's really
           | interesting. There's a YouTube channel, seek one.
        
             | jlglover wrote:
             | I live on a medium-sized lot within the limits of a city,
             | so bow hunting is not allowed in my yard.
        
               | is_true wrote:
               | Maybe somewhere close. Near where I live they had to
               | start paying people to hunt because off all the accidents
               | caused by deer
        
               | bluGill wrote:
               | Are you sure? In some cities it is allowed. The city
               | might say it is not allowed, but the state has different
               | rules that overrule whatever the city says.
               | 
               | Of course you do still need to be safe in your hunting,
               | and that can be tricky.
        
           | quercusa wrote:
           | Deer densities are much higher than historical averages and,
           | when hungry enough, they'll eat just about anything.
           | 
           | You can see this in wild areas with lots of deer - there's
           | almost nothing growing less than about 7 feet off the ground.
        
             | 0xdeadbeefbabe wrote:
             | You can see this if you don't get eaten by deer.
        
           | bmitc wrote:
           | We have deer as well that keep eating certain plants. I am
           | drawing a blank on which ones, but they kept growing back
           | rather quickly. We are going to take into consideration this
           | year and perhaps plant them in less convenient spots, more
           | quantity, or something else when it comes to mind, like some
           | sort of deer sprinkler project that targets them. Haha.
           | Although it is quite annoying as they were eating two of my
           | favorite plants I got last year, I'm not too bothered by it.
           | I'm going to buy more and try what I mentioned above and see
           | if it helps at all. They leave the milkweeds alone, probably
           | for obvious reasons, and the milkweeds are the happening
           | place for basically all the insects. It is crazy how popular
           | they are. There are other plants they also leave alone. I
           | think it's going to just be trial and error since they don't
           | seem to like all the native plants, just some of them.
        
           | circlefavshape wrote:
           | Couldn't you put a fence around the tree until it's big
           | enough to survive a bit of deer-nibbling?
        
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         | taftster wrote:
         | You should write a book, or at least blog, about the
         | experience. This would be good reading and much appreciated to
         | some of us. I'd definitely read.
        
         | drewcoo wrote:
         | > planting only native plants . . . could be attracting non-
         | regional and non-native species
         | 
         | Native plants do that, too. Invasive species thrive on that, in
         | fact. Horticulture is more complicated than just "eating
         | local." Ok, so a good diet is also more complicated than eating
         | local.
         | 
         | > native plant species are easy
         | 
         | Absolutely! And if you're in a place that can flood or has
         | droughts or sometimes has wild temperature spikes, those are
         | plants that have adapted to the environment. They live through
         | tough times that kill the plants that haven't adapted.
        
         | frereubu wrote:
         | If you haven't already, you might enjoy learning about
         | permaculture. This is a short and easily-accessibile
         | introduction - two of its originators, David Holmgren and Su
         | Dennett, talking about how they designed their house according
         | to its principles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss1BjW2kSNs
         | 
         | The part of your comment which prompted the comparison was "...
         | native plant species are easy. If you plant them in the right
         | place, they will grow very easily and strongly with minimal
         | care." This is one of the principles of permaculture - based on
         | the land you have available (and it can be as small as a
         | balcony off a flat) spend some time working our what works
         | where based on your plot and plant that, rather than struggling
         | to get something working where it doesn't belong.
        
           | LegitShady wrote:
           | I had a neighbour who did a permaculture front yard that was
           | ridiculously beautiful, but unfortunately the tall grasses
           | etc became a haven for rodents which caused problems for
           | multiple neighbours.
           | 
           | Sometimes there are good reasons why a regular grass yard
           | might be ok.
        
             | bmitc wrote:
             | That's an example of part of the problem though. By
             | originally cutting everything down and destroying the
             | ecosystem, it pushed out the predators that would keep the
             | rodents in check. We have rodents here for sure, but there
             | are also foxes, coyotes, fisher cats, hawks, raccoons,
             | bobcats, and owls.
        
               | dahfizz wrote:
               | A simple proposition for homeowners - trade your lawn for
               | a bunch of coyotes and raccoons.
               | 
               | I wonder why more suburbs don't do that.
        
               | bmitc wrote:
               | I have all sorts of predators in my area, and the only
               | time you see them is from the security camera picking
               | them up at night, and even that is rare.
        
               | frereubu wrote:
               | That's a false dichotomy. I'm sure you could come up with
               | something better than that if you put your mind to it.
        
               | LegitShady wrote:
               | I dont want coyotes and bobcats around my house. neither
               | does anyone who has pets or livestock. There's a reason
               | they were pushed out. We still have owls and other birds
               | of prey. We have raccoons and they are annoying and can
               | damage property.
        
               | anthomtb wrote:
               | >I dont want coyotes and bobcats around my house. neither
               | does anyone who has pets or livestock
               | 
               | Only people who do a poor job of looking after their pets
               | and livestock fear natural predators the way you do.
        
               | Kon-Peki wrote:
               | I'm adjacent to a large natural area. We've got plenty of
               | coyote and fox, hawk, owl and other predators.
               | 
               | The coyotes are pairing up for mating season, so they
               | start to do crazy things like chase deer through my yard.
               | During the rest of the year, when they tend to be
               | solitary, they stay far far away from people and even
               | mid-size dogs.
               | 
               | Get a fire pit and use it occasionally, and they'll
               | generally be pretty shy near your yard; its a smell
               | nature has taught them to keep away from.
        
               | bmitc wrote:
               | That's why it's important to leave areas completely
               | undeveloped so that these animals have somewhere to
               | retreat to.
        
               | nibbleshifter wrote:
               | > We have raccoons and they are annoying and can damage
               | property.
               | 
               | Nothing a .22 can't fix, surely?
        
               | bombcar wrote:
               | You basically have to hit them multiple times and keep
               | shooting night after night if you don't eliminate the
               | food sources.
        
               | nonethewiser wrote:
               | The real problem is living close to your neighbors and
               | wishing you could escape things that entails.
        
               | schiffern wrote:
               | Vegetation can make an excellent screen against undesired
               | views. A food hedge makes a great fence to screen over an
               | ugly warehouse, bright street, vacant lot, or pesky
               | neighbor.
               | 
               | You can also use some kind of structure, of course.
               | Sometimes that will involve more rules, and some people
               | just prefer using plants.
               | 
               | Ideally this should be part of a complete sector
               | analysis, which also considers things like sun and wind
               | direction.
               | 
               | https://www.greenpathherbschool.com/greenpathblog/permacu
               | ltu... (scroll down to "Sector Analysis")
               | 
               | https://smalldesignstudio.wordpress.com/a-permaculture-
               | proje... (scroll down to "sector map")
        
         | hammock wrote:
         | What's the size of your lot?
        
           | bmitc wrote:
           | It can be small or big. Checkout Benjamin Vogt's work:
           | https://www.monarchgard.com/portfolio.html
           | 
           | In particular, his house is on a small lot typical of
           | suburban sprawl neighborhoods.
           | 
           | https://www.monarchgard.com/uploads/6/7/1/6/67169427/pxl-202.
           | ..
        
         | Natsu wrote:
         | > I am really hoping that all the milkweed we're planting
         | brings more monarchs. Last year, we saw a couple.
         | 
         | The numbers went up a bit during Covid, surprisingly. I wish we
         | could do something about the general downward trend, there are
         | far, far fewer now than there were even 30 years ago.
        
         | ilyt wrote:
         | Yeah, I also don't understand appeal of "just a square of land
         | filled with immaculate lawn and not much else. It's essentially
         | space wasted for nothing.
        
           | rootusrootus wrote:
           | Some of us like to have a bit of open lawn for outdoor
           | activities that need some space. I've still got dozens of
           | trees, shrubs, wildflowers and such, but there's an area of
           | just grass that is really nice to have. I can't remember the
           | last time I saw a lawn around here that _didn 't_ have a
           | boatload of additional plants as well.
           | 
           | I assume this must happen in other parts of the
           | country/world, or it's a meme.
           | 
           | If you want to go completely wild with your own back yard, I
           | understand, but I don't see the appeal of that either.
        
           | hinkley wrote:
           | I saw a comedy set a long time ago with a line to the effect
           | "the lawn was brought to us by the same pretentious assholes
           | who got beheaded during the French Revolution".
        
           | bmitc wrote:
           | Agreed. I've heard manicured lawns described as deserts but
           | that that is actually not fair to deserts, the implication
           | being that deserts are a healthier ecosystem than manicured
           | lawns.
           | 
           | I still have a lawn in the front and back covering parts of
           | the property. I did plant non-native grass last fall. I'm not
           | sure I'm happy about that from an ideal standpoint, but I
           | chose grass that is very drought resistant and needs
           | basically no maintenance and looks fine when allowed to grow
           | taller. I mixed in some mini-clover, which is also non-
           | native, but it's a new species that is supposed to make the
           | grass even more drought tolerant, provides natural
           | fertilization, and supports pollinators. We'll see how it
           | goes. I also plan to not mow as much, although last year with
           | the drought, I barely mowed at all. I don't use chemical
           | fertilizers and used only natural fertilizers. I have heard
           | this approach described as feeding the soil and not feeding
           | the grass. One of the fertilizers I used showed some fungus
           | growing on the grass, which I was happy about.
           | 
           | I hope to keep evolving things and reclaiming parts of the
           | lawn that we never use or want. It's nice as you reclaim it
           | with plants and trees, because it's decreasing maintenance
           | burden.
        
         | pascalxus wrote:
         | but you also need some balance. alot of native species don't
         | taste very good and some aren't even edible.
        
           | bavent wrote:
           | Don't taste good and aren't edible for you maybe, but all my
           | local bugs and critters seem to love the ones I've planted.
        
         | throw_away1525 wrote:
         | I think you're right about the natives and the 'right kind' of
         | activity.
         | 
         | Native species, especially the ones at risk, are more likely to
         | be specialists. And of course, they specialize in the native
         | plants.
         | 
         | Invasive species, on the other hand, are more likely to be
         | generalists. That's why they become invasive in the first
         | place. And they'll be happy to visit those non-native plants.
        
         | pamelafox wrote:
         | Agreed! I've been gradually replacing the invasive plants with
         | native plants, and for the most part, native plants are doing
         | really well. We have one side of the yard with bad soil from an
         | ivy infestation, but with enough soil amendment, I think it'll
         | be fine.
         | 
         | If you're in the bay area,
         | https://www.bringingbackthenatives.net/ is a great resource -
         | you can tour gardens and find garden designers. Calscape.net
         | also a great resource, plus the native nurseries like Oaktown
         | and Watershed.
        
         | taeric wrote:
         | Native plants may be easy; but by that measure, invasives are
         | where its at. :D
         | 
         | That said, bringing down trees is always odd to me. Definitely
         | bring down any that pose a risk to your house. But otherwise,
         | seems more effort than it is worth. I should probably be a lot
         | better at pruning, as that is a ton of work. And, while
         | intellectually I know the answer is that you are unlikely to
         | kill the tree, I am always worried about that to the point that
         | I don't prune enough.
        
           | bmitc wrote:
           | I'm still not totally certain how to "manage" the trees in
           | our yard. We are in a quite woody area with huge trees. I
           | contacted an arborist place last year and plan on paying them
           | to come out and teach me about the trees on my property. The
           | previous owners cutdown some huge trees, but luckily mainly
           | concentrated on the trees that were super close to the house.
           | It's _possible_ remaining trees could hit the house, and they
           | are actually relatively likely to snap off at some point due
           | to the wind. But I think it 's relatively unlikely it will
           | happen and we have insurance if it does. I could remove the
           | possibility and also completely remove ticks as well if I
           | transformed the yard into concrete, but that is of course
           | completely self-serving. My neighbor recently had a tree
           | crack and slightly hit his house. I can't see any real damage
           | from my point of view, but I can only describe it as him
           | waging war against trees on his property afterward. He
           | removed 99% of the remaining trees on his yard (these are
           | _huge_ trees), including ones that couldn 't hit his house
           | even if they broke at the base of the trunk (which they never
           | do).
           | 
           | Another house that has sit empty for a year and a half
           | recently cutdown all its trees. Literally all the trees. All
           | that's left is a graveyard of stumps, which makes it look
           | like a warzone from WWI or something. There was probably 50
           | trees cutdown.
           | 
           | There's no way I'm cutting down the oaks, and I'm unlikely to
           | cutdown any tree, even if it's dead since even those support
           | insects, owls, woodpeckers, and other birds.
        
             | justajot wrote:
             | Thank you for leaving the dead ... super important habitat!
             | 
             | Also wanted to mention the importance of diversity.
             | Everybody thinks trees trees trees but, at least where I
             | live, native prairie plants are just as, if not more
             | important, and are unfortunately largely ignored.
        
               | bmitc wrote:
               | That's a good point. I am mainly concentrating on plants
               | and haven't even got to bushes or trees yet, in terms of
               | planting. I will want some professional advice on where
               | to place the trees I'd like to plant. I want to plant
               | trees for looks, to return some areas back to trees where
               | some were previously cut down, and to also re-block a
               | backyard neighbor (another one) who tore down all their
               | trees.
               | 
               | The plants are really fun because you can just basically
               | plant them anywhere and see how they do. They take
               | quickly and don't pose any harm to infrastructure.
        
             | taeric wrote:
             | What was the reasoning to cut down 50+ trees? That feels
             | excessive in any world.
        
               | yostrovs wrote:
               | Loggers pay good money for straight, quality trees.
        
               | NoImmatureAdHom wrote:
               | It's true, but just to clarify for people out there:
               | "yard trees" bring less, and maybe nothing...if you can
               | get someone out there. It's because there's usually only
               | one or a few in that spot, they're difficult to get to
               | (behind a house), and they're full of metal that will
               | damage saw blades (like that clothes line pulley someone
               | put up in 1930).
        
               | bmitc wrote:
               | I have no idea. The house has literally sat completely
               | empty for well over a year. The tree cutting was the
               | first activity I have ever seen there. I don't know if
               | they plan on tearing the house down and rebuilding or
               | what. I also have no idea if there's someone who actually
               | plans to live there or if it's owned by an investor.
               | 
               | It's possible I overestimated, but it has to be at least
               | over two dozen trees. And these are not small trees.
               | There's of course smaller ones but others are easily over
               | 40-50 feet.
        
               | toast0 wrote:
               | 50+ has to be weighed against the total volume of trees.
               | If you have too many trees in a small space, none of them
               | thrive. It can be valuable to actively thin the forest so
               | that you have a smaller number of thriving trees rather
               | than a larger number of struggling trees.
               | 
               | If someone planted 50+ trees that are a terrible fit for
               | the lot, well that's a good reason to take them out too,
               | hopefully with replacements.
               | 
               | Personally, I live on a large lot with hundreds of trees,
               | and it would be easy to select 50 trees that would be
               | reasonable to cut down, and you'd hardly notice. But the
               | only large tree we cut down was a (non native) cottonwood
               | planted near the house that had bifurcated and was likely
               | to fall on the house in the foreseable future. When we
               | thin the forest, it's mostly younger trees in thick
               | growth that don't have room to grow well.
        
               | taeric wrote:
               | I mean, not wrong, but doesn't seem in the spirit of the
               | upper post. "All that's left is a graveyard of stumps"
               | does not sound like someone thinning out a forest. Or
               | even preparing a lot for a house, since you will have to
               | grind out all of the stumps.
        
             | nonethewiser wrote:
             | Fallen trees killing people is not unheard of.
        
             | NoImmatureAdHom wrote:
             | I don't know where you live, but a lot of municipalities
             | make what your neighbors are doing illegal. Might want to
             | check.
        
           | xyzzyz wrote:
           | Depends on your goals. I'd love to have some big towering
           | trees around me, but I also love gardening and laying in the
           | sun. One big tree in an inopportune could shade my entire
           | yard.
        
             | taeric wrote:
             | Note that posing a risk doesn't just mean "if giant tree
             | were to fall toward house it would be a problem."
             | Obviously, you should monitor the health of any giant tree
             | nearby, but by and large healthy trees growing tall is not
             | an immediate concern. Moreover, some of those trees would
             | be perfectly healthy if you kept them pruned to a safer
             | height.
             | 
             | So, posing a risk is more on trees that are likely to fall
             | over and do major damage. Or those that have root systems
             | that are too close to your foundation and going to cause
             | issue in that way.
             | 
             | All of this is said as someone that loves giant trees
             | nearby. Seeing eagles and such nest at the top of trees
             | that are hundreds of feet tall is very cool.
             | 
             | Edit: Also consider fire hazard to the house, depending on
             | where you live.
        
           | bombcar wrote:
           | Trees can also be quite dead and need to come down without
           | much external visible issues.
           | 
           | https://treeandneighborlawblog.com/ Has interesting stories
           | tangentially related to tree duties.
        
           | AlgorithmicTime wrote:
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         | jmspring wrote:
         | I did this when I bought a house in Santa Cruz. Planted a bunch
         | of natives, in particular bushes that flowered at different
         | times of the year - ceanothus, manzanita, etc. I happily had
         | bees and other insects around the yard almost all the time.
         | It's worth doing.
         | 
         | Funny thing, monarch butterflies (and the caterpillars) seem to
         | prefer the non-native Milkweed to the native variety.
        
           | pamelafox wrote:
           | Which milkweed did you plant? I find that our Monarchs love
           | narrow-leaf milkweed but HATE showy milkweed. They have to be
           | absolutely desperate to nibble on it. Both are technically
           | native, but clearly one of them is tastier.
        
             | bmitc wrote:
             | The milkweed that I planted is common milkweed and swamp
             | milkweed. I find swamp milkweed to be prettier, but they
             | both seem extremely popular and they seemed to bloom at
             | different times, which is a nice benefit. (I'm not certain
             | about the bloom times as I'm going only on a year's
             | experience.)
        
           | kccqzy wrote:
           | In my yard, I didn't plant any milkweed but I found them
           | growing on its own. Or at least, Google Lens told me it's
           | milkweed. How do I know if they are native or not? How do I
           | know if they are harmful or beneficial to the ice system, and
           | whether I should remove them or let them grow? Where do you
           | get this knowledge?
        
             | bmitc wrote:
             | I use the app PictureThis (https://www.picturethisai.com/)
             | and then supplement it by researching the online on various
             | sites. I don't have any particular sites to offer offhand,
             | as I'm still figuring everything out myself. Another thing
             | I have considered is buying some books from local native
             | plant societies and organizations. They publish books that
             | contain pictures and information of regionally native
             | plants. They also have plant sales every year, where they
             | sell native plants that have been grown by themselves or by
             | known third-parties.
             | 
             | In general, I have tried taking an additive approach. I
             | have only removed plants that I knew for a fact, through
             | the app and subsequent research, were non-native and
             | particularly damaging.
        
         | colechristensen wrote:
         | There are invasive plants and there are non-native plants and
         | these things aren't necessarily the same. You do you with your
         | yard but not everybody has to be so strict. There are plenty of
         | non-native plants that have very low risk of becoming invasive
         | which do a lot for biodiversity and are nice to look at.
        
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       | angst_ridden wrote:
       | When I bought a place in the LA area, the house had neatly
       | trimmed lawns and flowers planted with perfect spacing around the
       | borders in both the front and back yards.
       | 
       | Over the past twenty years, it's been converted into a wild,
       | exuberant mix of flowers, fruit trees, and native plants. We do
       | irrigate with drip-lines. We have a lot of butterfly host plants,
       | and it is now a veritable Disney-film-happy-place filled with
       | birds and bees and butterflies (and aphids and spiders and
       | salamanders).
       | 
       | There are a few chairs and benches scattered around, and I sit
       | outside and read or code on pleasant days. I spend a lot of time
       | taking macro photos of bugs and flowers.
       | 
       | Several of our neighbors loathe us, saying that our yard is a
       | mess and lowers property values. Their pesticide-ridden lawns are
       | perfectly green, even in the Summer, and they are only ever
       | outside to instruct their gardeners where to direct the leaf
       | blowers.
       | 
       | Most people walking by are enchanted by the wildness and the
       | animal life. Kids, particularly, are thrilled when they see the
       | butterflies, or get to pick cherry-tomatoes or berries off the
       | vines.
        
         | theNJR wrote:
         | Also in the LA area. Would love to see some pictures!
        
         | phist_mcgee wrote:
         | Thank you for do your small part in improving biodiversity.
        
       | chasd00 wrote:
       | on behalf of your neighbors, please keep mosquito habitat to a
       | minimum.
        
       | pseudotrash wrote:
       | This article gave me no useful advice. I got a garden and would
       | love to know what I should put there living in the north of
       | Italy.
       | 
       | The article didn't mention, except using dome of the space to
       | store compost. No advise on what to plant. Just feel-good advise
       | by morons for morons.
       | 
       | It's like it was written by "Marjory the Trash Heap" from fraggle
       | rock herself.
       | 
       | Thought you were dead Marjory!!!
        
       | ernestipark wrote:
       | Semi related, but I firmly believe everyone with a yard should
       | have chickens. 4 chickens can feed a family with more eggs than
       | they'll ever need, you'll almost never throw food scraps out
       | again, and you'll keep harmful methane producing waste out of
       | landfills.
        
         | CatWChainsaw wrote:
         | Keeping commensals under control should be a top priority.
         | Salmonella and Campylobacter are not welcome additions to my
         | meals.
        
         | chasd00 wrote:
         | i had an across the street neighbor in Dallas that basically
         | had a mini-farm in their backyard. An actual "up at 5 to milk
         | the goats, feed, and eggs before work" type farm. I did enough
         | of that in HS growing up in the sticks with odd jobs at
         | dairies, elevators, and other farm type work. No thanks, dues
         | are paid :)
        
         | voisin wrote:
         | I concur wholly. We have wanted to do this forever and last
         | year bought 5 acres on the edge of town. We are now up to 28
         | chickens (26 hens, 2 roosters) and run a small egg CSA. It's
         | been amazing for reducing food waste, yielding high quality
         | compost, enjoyment for us and our kids and people walking by, a
         | small step toward local food resiliency, and it earns a tiny
         | profit. We've just ordered another 40 day olds for delivery in
         | a few weeks, and are plotting to get some ducks too.
        
       | WaitWaitWha wrote:
       | I suggest to add a bee home (bee house, bee hotel) to your
       | garden. It is simple, last several years, it can be as small as a
       | bird house, and can be a fun weekend project with the kids. (It
       | can also be purchased.)
       | 
       | Please, do not get honey bees, unless willing to take care of
       | them - just like with any animal husbandry. I love them, I am a
       | beek, but I find too many abandoned or swarms from people who
       | bought into the idea that they need to save the world through bee
       | hives. Just resist the urge, unless you have time and willingness
       | to do proper beekeeping.
        
         | yboris wrote:
         | Novel bee keeping technique: plastic bottle (you can see what's
         | inside, know when to gather the honey, and you can keep bees
         | safely indoors)
         | 
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ItlOFLTUAs
        
         | Wonnk13 wrote:
         | So the idea with the bee home is the bees come to me? As
         | opposed to me buying honeybees and a hive? I'm asking out of
         | genuine ignorance not trolling, as I'd love to have bees by my
         | planter box, but I don't have the time to be a bee keeper and
         | and don't want to kill the little guys.
        
           | 11235813213455 wrote:
           | probably better to get honey from a local beekeeper (and/or
           | local fruits, which are even better for us, with their fiber)
        
             | criddell wrote:
             | Definitely. In North America, honey bees are non-native,
             | invasive species. If you want to help the bee population,
             | pick a species native for your area.
        
           | throw_away1525 wrote:
           | They won't be honeybees, they'll be other types of bees like
           | mason bees. But yes, they will come to you.
        
             | mikeyouse wrote:
             | I'm interested in this generally but we've had problems
             | with bald faced hornets and yellowjackets... are they
             | attracted to the bee hotels?
        
               | WaitWaitWha wrote:
               | No.
               | 
               | I am not familiar with solitary hornets (genus vespa)
               | that build in bee homes. They build hives and depend on
               | each other. The bee homes do not make a good living space
               | for them.
               | 
               | Cicada killers are solitary, but they build in sandy
               | soil. European hornets also nest in the ground; same with
               | digger wasps, and mud daubers. The bald-faced hornet is a
               | wasp and build their paper nest, similar to
               | yellowjackets.
        
           | WaitWaitWha wrote:
           | Yes, in general. (Appreciate the honest question.)
           | 
           | Bee homes [0] are basically a bird house with a bunch of
           | small reeds or pipes where several native species can nest.
           | It provides home for several American native bees. It is
           | primarily for solitary bees It does not work for all, but it
           | does help. After all, there are about 20,000 bee species and
           | nearly 4,000 are in North America!
           | 
           | Bee homes do require some cleaning as the cocoons will be
           | left behind in the reeds if you are successful. You will have
           | to replace the reeds, or clean them out (bottle cleaner, or
           | toothbrush works).
           | 
           | Honey bees (Apis mellifera), sometimes referred to as
           | European or western honey bee is not native to the Americas,
           | although they are well established now. They were introduced
           | in the 17th century.
           | 
           | [0] : https://duckduckgo.com/?q=native+bee+home&t=ffab&iar=im
           | ages&...
           | 
           | (also personal preferences - I use honey bee (not honeybee),
           | as the honey is a description of the bee species e.g. like
           | bubble bee)
        
             | burnished wrote:
             | There are solitary bees??
             | 
             | Fact sheet I stumbled on for others curious:
             | https://cals.arizona.edu/pubs/insects/ahb/inf21.html
        
               | gibspaulding wrote:
               | Yes definitely; many (most?) of the bees native to North
               | America are solitary.
               | 
               | Honey bees were originally imported from Europe. The only
               | reason they're not considered invasive is that they're so
               | bad at surviving here.
        
         | 11235813213455 wrote:
         | Exactly, better have some sweat fruit trees (figs, persimmons,
         | apricots, ...) and other wild pollinators (wild bees, wasps,
         | butterflies, .. even ants pollinate)
        
         | hklgny wrote:
         | Thanks so much for suggesting this - fits me perfectly. Have
         | always wanted to do something for bees and with bees, but know
         | I wouldn't commit to taking care of them as needed. Going to
         | get this going next weekend!
        
         | RegularOpossum wrote:
         | I've got multiple bee homes for all different sizes. Showing
         | off our orchid bees to visitors is one of my favorite yard
         | activities.
        
         | lasermatts wrote:
         | +1 for adding in bee hotels to promote those solitary bees!
         | 
         | equally easy (but a little uglier) is to always remember not to
         | cut back your native plants over winter! Native solitary bees
         | love to lay their eggs in hollowed out plant stems!
        
           | voisin wrote:
           | And to leave leaves and needles on the ground where they fall
           | over winter and spring.
        
         | gateorade wrote:
         | Weird question, but if you encourage bees to come through these
         | methods, how prevalent are they? I like the idea of doing this,
         | but I also have a young child and am somewhat allergic to bee
         | stings myself and wouldn't want my yard to become overrun with
         | bees.
        
           | WaitWaitWha wrote:
           | For the love of all that is good, not worth a trip to ER.
           | That kind of emergency usually happens when least expected,
           | and the epinephrine is on the other side of the farm, and
           | need 15 minute ride.
           | 
           | Personal experience, solitary bees (and honey bees in
           | general) - the key word here is _bees_ , NOT wasps - are
           | gentle. I regularly play with bubble bees and show my progeny
           | how to treat them.
           | 
           | But, that implies that you can identify a bee from a wasp.
           | 
           | Take a look at some of the comparison images and you will get
           | the gist [0]. Drunk yellowjackets are the worst.
           | 
           | [0] https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=wasp+vs+bee&iax=images&i
           | a=i...
           | 
           | (Do not read this: to be fair, ground nesting _solitary_
           | wasps are not as freakish as any hive wasps.)
        
       | neonnoodle wrote:
       | During the process of buying our house, one of the disclosures
       | was that the house has a huge inground swimming pool, but some
       | aspect of the plumbing was broken, and nobody knew how much it
       | might cost to repair. So, as-is.
       | 
       | Nobody in our house swims, and the costs of repairing and running
       | the pool would be excessive. At first I thought about having it
       | drained and either removed or converted to some kind of
       | outbuilding space. Then it occurred to me, I shouldn't just
       | dispose of a water-bearing structure! The thing is engineered to
       | safely contain thousands of gallons! We kept it. The pool hadn't
       | been used in several years prior to the sale of the house, which
       | was perfect because the chlorination had long since evaporated.
       | Thus a readymade freshwater pond.
       | 
       | I started adding native plants and sheltering areas to the
       | shallow end. Frogs were already in residence for mating season
       | but now several species live there full time. Tons of insects:
       | backswimmers, water skimmers, caddisfly, mayfly, damselfly and
       | dragonfly larvae, bladder snails, giant water beetles. Ducks and
       | herons visit. Purple martins and flycatchers hang out at dusk.
       | 
       | People often ask about mosquito control, and so far it hasn't
       | been an issue. I believe this is due to a combination of the
       | water depth (mosquitos prefer very shallow and still water like
       | puddles), circulation speed, and predation of the mosquito larvae
       | by everyone else. Because there are marginal plants, predatory
       | insects can transition from their aquatic larval stage to
       | adulthood (they need stalks to climb up out of the water).
       | 
       | The pond has become one of the great joys of my life--seeing the
       | seasons change through the lifecycles of the species, watching
       | bees forage on pickerel rush flowers, hearing frogs sing at
       | night.
        
         | chime wrote:
         | Would you be open to sharing a photo or two of the pond? I
         | would love to show it to my kids.
        
         | inkcapmushroom wrote:
         | >circulation speed
         | 
         | Do you run the pool pump, or else how is the water circulating?
         | 
         | This sounds like an awesome project, what a joy to have that
         | right in your backyard.
        
           | neonnoodle wrote:
           | I made a bubble pump, but it's still very much a work in
           | progress. A lot of the circulation is just "traffic" of all
           | the little dudes swimming around. I recommend watching some
           | of David Pagan Butler's videos on organic pools.
           | https://www.youtube.com/user/davidpaganbutler
        
         | potsandpans wrote:
         | The backstory for one of the main characters from The Southern
         | Reach Trilogy involves a pool turned into a freshwater pond.
         | 
         | Maybe you're somehow influencing a future anarco biologist
        
         | SCUSKU wrote:
         | I spent part of my childhood in rural Japan and during the
         | summers would fall asleep to the sound of hundreds of frogs
         | croaking in the rice paddies. It was a great lullaby for me, it
         | sounds like a great thing to have in your backyard!
        
       | lasermatts wrote:
       | I wrote a book about my experience taking my concrete filled back
       | yard to one full of life over the pandemic! Gardening in an urban
       | setting presents unique challenges but it's super rewarding!
       | 
       | Link to my book (for anyone interested): https://a.co/d/crd2HcD
       | 
       | Super excited to see articles on big sites talking about the
       | importance of biodiversity!
        
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       | fillskills wrote:
       | I am cofounder of a startup called HealingGardens.co. We are
       | trying to help biodiverse urban gardens make revenue with an
       | airbnb like model.
       | 
       | If anyone here has an urban garden and would like to list it on
       | our marketplace, we would be glad to review or help.
       | 
       | If you have questions or want to work on something with us please
       | feel free to reach out at abhi at healinggardens.co
        
       | glennericksen wrote:
       | There's was a story in Smithsonian magazine a few years ago
       | (https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/meet-ecologist...)
       | about an ecologist who more or less did what this article
       | proposes, increasing the biodiversity in his backyard. He called
       | his project a "Homegrown National Park".
       | 
       | Tallamy's Suggestions:
       | 
       | 1. Shrink your lawn (replace grass with plants that create
       | habitat)
       | 
       | 2. Remove invasive plants (native plants support more animal
       | biodiversity)
       | 
       | 3. Create no-mow zones around trees (accommodates insect life
       | cycle)
       | 
       | 4. Equip outdoor lights with motion sensors (lights can disturb
       | animal behavior)
        
       | cookieswumchorr wrote:
       | i always do it with my refrigerator
        
         | dylan604 wrote:
         | I don't think the spores that you are cultivating in your
         | fridge would necessarily qualify as native plant species.
         | that's more of a science experiment
        
           | ilyt wrote:
           | More like biological weapon in the making
        
             | dylan604 wrote:
             | it could be the next penicillin type of discovery. at least
             | that's how I justify the state my fridge has been in a
             | couple of times in my youth
        
       | pascalxus wrote:
       | Personally, I like to plant as many different types of fruit
       | trees, fruit vines and berries as I can and as much diversity as
       | I can. But, I find sticking just to natives is kinda limiting.
       | It's nice to prefer natives but I wouldn't be too religious about
       | it.
        
         | dylan604 wrote:
         | Just ensure that what non-native you do get is not an invasive
         | species. There are websites you can check if the type of plant
         | you are looking to plant is considered invasive or not. After
         | learning about this, I was surprised by the number of invasive
         | plants being sold at nurseries. I've learned which local
         | nurseries are more trustworthy of being able to trust any plant
         | they are offering.
        
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