[HN Gopher] California cancels salmon fishing season
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       California cancels salmon fishing season
        
       Author : makerofspoons
       Score  : 111 points
       Date   : 2023-03-13 20:57 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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       | mikeg8 wrote:
       | Great news. I live in the area this story was filmed in and have
       | been to that pro shop. I really hope they can weather a lost
       | season and feel bad for the tough times ahead. But I'm happy and
       | proud that our state is willing to take drastic measures to
       | protect the resource. I hope that as we focus on balance and
       | stewardship, populations of salmon, and abalone, to continue to
       | rebound so that the fisheries are healthy and reopened, and we
       | can all enjoy the bounty from this region's ocean.
        
         | mulmen wrote:
         | Well, we can't _all_ enjoy the resource. That's how we got into
         | this mess.
        
         | yesenadam wrote:
         | And maybe the life in the ocean is more than just a "resource"
         | for humans to exploit.
        
       | dcwardell wrote:
       | Reminds me of the Alaskan Snow Crab population collapse last
       | year. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33207372
        
       | kposehn wrote:
       | I've been Salmon fishing in California since I can remember.
       | There are few things I love more than being on the water going
       | for Kings as the sun comes up.
       | 
       | I'm really bummed we won't have a season, but having more fish in
       | the future is worth the short term cost.
        
         | bradleyjg wrote:
         | It can't hurt, but I don't think something like this is really
         | going to fix the problem. Dams, water levels abs temperatures,
         | ocean trawling, acidification ... there's lots and lots of
         | stress on salmon population aside from anglers.
        
           | mikeg8 wrote:
           | Fixing a multifaceted problem requires multifaceted
           | solutions. It can definitely help.
        
             | NegativeLatency wrote:
             | The publicity from the cancelation seems like a really
             | valuable aspect too
        
               | kposehn wrote:
               | Absolutely. We definitely need to put a spotlight on this
               | and other dwindling fish stocks. Even though there are
               | other populations to draw from, once they're gone they
               | are very, very hard to get back.
        
           | NegativeLatency wrote:
           | Car tire debris:
           | https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/03/coho-
           | sal...
        
           | hadlock wrote:
           | There was a bombshell report about an immediate moratorium on
           | crab fishing in Alaska, that came out of nowhere, seemingly.
           | About a month later there was a (very, very quiet) report
           | justifying the moratorium. The short version is that
           | effectively scientists had been asking for reduction in
           | fishing in the area for decades and finally the remaining
           | stock in the area was so low it was critically endangering
           | the ecosystem there. So they finally put in a hard stop after
           | years of kicking the can down the road.
           | 
           | I suspect we'll see additional cessation of fishing in other
           | areas as it further unravels that we've been chronically
           | overfishing for decades.
           | 
           | Britain after WW2 overharvested mackerel from their seas for
           | so long that they had to put permanent fishing quotas and
           | even today the mackerel have not fully recovered from
           | overfishing over half a century ago. Anglers have an enormous
           | impact on fish and wildlife stocks.
        
             | qqtt wrote:
             | See also cod fishing in Newfoundland:
             | 
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_fishing_in_Newfoundland
             | 
             | Cod stocks collapsed in the early 1990s, with a moratorium
             | on fishing enacted in 1993. It took until 2011 for signs to
             | show that the ecosystem was recovering.
        
             | bradleyjg wrote:
             | They did a moratorium on crab fishing by crab fishermen but
             | allow trawling for groundfish that a) picks up crab as
             | bycatch and b) destroys their spawning grounds.
             | 
             | It's not a great example of an effective policy response.
        
           | kposehn wrote:
           | It won't fix it for sure, but it will help. Reducing the
           | pressure on the population can go a long way to improving
           | future prospects.
        
       | insane_dreamer wrote:
       | > For years, the salmon fishing industry has been locked in a
       | political struggle in the legislature and the courts over how
       | much water is being allocated to Central Valley farmers. An
       | estimated 80 percent of the state's water goes to agriculture,
       | leaving cities and fisheries to fight over what's left.
       | 
       | This is the core issue. With droughts tending to increase rather
       | than decrease, CA probably needs to reevaluate its commitment to
       | supporting its (very large) agribusinesses.
        
         | bradleyjg wrote:
         | CA needs to rethink its water law. Parts of the agribusiness
         | industry are at least providing decent bang for the gallon. But
         | the fact that there are fields of low value alfalfa being
         | watered tells you the incentives are all screwed up.
        
         | Teever wrote:
         | I've read online that a large portion of the water is used to
         | grow alfalfa that is sold to Saudi Arabia as cattle feed.
         | 
         | I'm not from the area so I don't know how the water system
         | works but I was wondering if it was susceptible to domestic
         | terrorism like what was happening to the power grid in an
         | eastern state.
         | 
         | It seems to me that a few well placed explosives could take out
         | the water supply to these cash crops during a very hot period
         | which would ruin the crop and free up the water to be used else
         | where for the rest of the season.
        
       | MuffinFlavored wrote:
       | > Last year, 196,000 adult fish were expected to return to the
       | Sacramento River to spawn but only 60,000 showed up.
       | 
       | 70% decline
       | 
       | If your business depends on this fishing season, what do you do?
       | Go bartend?
        
         | comonoid wrote:
         | I saw a bartender fishing in 2020 when everything was closed.
         | So, why not?
        
         | swatcoder wrote:
         | If I set up shop as a Blackberry developer and RIM goes out of
         | business, I have a tough year as I regroup and figure out next
         | steps for myself.
         | 
         | Every business has dependencies outside of its control, and
         | yeah, sometimes you may have to go bartend for a bit. It sucks,
         | but business never comes with total guarantees. Planning for
         | this stuff can help.
        
         | SQueeeeeL wrote:
         | I'm not sure if it's in the best long term interest of the
         | entire state if a few niche businesses based entirely around
         | salmon fishing have a bad year. The calculus is those
         | businesses will either struggle now or struggle forever when
         | most of the fish are gone
        
         | nradov wrote:
         | Start a catfish farm.
         | 
         | https://www.abc10.com/article/news/local/reeling-in-the-doug...
        
           | geraldwhen wrote:
           | Catfish is not great.
        
             | aYsY4dDQ2NrcNzA wrote:
             | It's hardly a substitute for salmon.
        
               | nradov wrote:
               | Some people prefer catfish over salmon. Tastes vary.
               | 
               | Catfish is a pretty good substitute for salmon in terms
               | of macronutrients. Salmon does have higher levels of
               | omega-3 fatty acids. But catfish may be safer in terms of
               | heavy metals and other toxins, depending on where the
               | fish were raised.
        
         | myshpa wrote:
         | >> 196,000 adult fish were expected to return
         | 
         | > If your business depends on this fishing season
         | 
         | It seems that there's more people than fish. Draughts,
         | overfishing, pollution ... not much perspective in that.
         | 
         | If I may ... plant based has a future, fishing ... not so sure.
        
         | Teever wrote:
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_Atlantic_north...
        
         | mrguyorama wrote:
         | In my state, all the lobster fishing people have a "co op" to
         | jointly decide how to manage the public resource of the fish in
         | our waters so that they can come together and make the kind of
         | conservation decisions together, and create some force to
         | prevent anyone from defecting and catching everything in a down
         | year. This gives them more stability year to year and a little
         | bit of possible price fixing.
         | 
         | Just don't call it a union.
        
           | mulmen wrote:
           | Why is a private organization managing a public resource?
           | Shouldn't a government agency do that?
        
           | InitialLastName wrote:
           | > Just don't call it a union.
           | 
           | Of course not. The more accurate word is "cartel" (note: I
           | see management of a shared resource as a perfectly legitimate
           | justification for cartel behavior).
        
         | twblalock wrote:
         | Catch different kinds of fish.
        
       | myshpa wrote:
       | It's not just the draughts.
       | 
       | https://www.seaspiracy.org/facts
       | 
       | "Species like thresher, bull and hammerhead sharks have lost up
       | to 80-99% of their populations in the last two decades.
       | 
       | Seabird populations have declined by 70% since the 1950's.
       | 
       | Studies estimate that up to 40% of all marine life caught is
       | thrown overboard as bycatch.
       | 
       | Six out of seven species of sea turtles are either threatened or
       | endangered due to fishing.
       | 
       | Over 300,000 whales, dolphins and porpoises are killed as bycatch
       | every year.
       | 
       | 2.7 trillion fish are caught every year, or up to 5 million
       | caught every minute.
       | 
       | Fish populations are in decline to near extinction.
        
         | bradleyjg wrote:
         | _Studies estimate that up to 40% of all marine life caught is
         | thrown overboard as bycatch._
         | 
         | This is a fairly important part. It's one thing to fish and
         | eat. It's another thing to fish and destroy. Trawling is the
         | strip mining of the sea.
        
         | yesenadam wrote:
         | It makes me ashamed to be human. Reading stuff like that, and
         | thinking about what we do to cows, sheep, lambs, chickens, etc,
         | it dawned on me a while ago that humans have no right to treat
         | animals like they're just a bunch of cells to be treated
         | however we want, like a serial killer treats their victims. But
         | that animals are fellow beings, a lot like us in many ways. I
         | didn't want pain, or someone to kill me, so I figured they
         | didn't either.
         | 
         | It was so easy to stop eating animal "products". The whole
         | thing started to seem obscene, like a nightmare - ads on TV
         | trying to tempt people to eat slaughtered baby sheep etc. I
         | thought I'd miss the taste of meat but never have. (I feel so
         | weird writing that sentence now.)
         | 
         | I encourage everyone reading this not to be a part of the
         | problem, to stop contributing to this desecration. If no-one
         | ate meat, this genocide of sea life would just stop. For every
         | person that stops, we get closer to that. I realize in some
         | cultures, it's not so simple, but in many, it is.
        
         | nimbius wrote:
         | wild...as a hunter who has made the trek to California a few
         | times for Javelina hog and black bear, i had no clue they even
         | offered a permit for salmon at all...its just not something
         | advertised much.
        
         | wazoox wrote:
         | And in EU, the French government just announced that it will
         | "strongly oppose" forbidding deep ocean scrubbing nets in
         | "protected areas" (which are therefore totally unprotected).
         | They look like caricature villains from a comic book or
         | something. Bonkers.
         | 
         | For history, here's the criminal, senseless moron, shame on
         | him, shame on them all:
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtfGFt1c5H8
        
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