[HN Gopher] Live-caption glasses let deaf people read conversati...
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       Live-caption glasses let deaf people read conversations using
       augmented reality
        
       Author : vinnyglennon
       Score  : 164 points
       Date   : 2023-03-14 13:41 UTC (9 hours ago)
        
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       | autoexec wrote:
       | What are the privacy/security issues with this? Does this mean
       | every conversation a person wearing these has (or that occurs
       | within earshot) is being collected and harvested by someone? Will
       | the AR be used to insert ads into people's conversations or
       | plaster images of ads all over the place? Will certain words or
       | phrases be automatically censored?
       | 
       | This is cool tech, that could be used to help people, but it
       | comes with lots of potential for new forms of evil that were not
       | possible without it. Considering that I can't remember the last
       | time I bought a product using a new technology that wasn't also
       | designed to work against my interests, I'm immediately skeptical
       | of any device that can't be used offline and especially one that
       | requires being connected to cell phone apps.
        
         | vlunkr wrote:
         | > Will the AR be used to insert ads into people's conversations
         | or plaster images of ads all over the place?
         | 
         | I doubt it. This isn't the kind of cheap mass-market device
         | where running ads is going to make you a big profit.
        
         | lazyeye wrote:
         | Completely agree. There seems to be such a gap in the market
         | for privacy-first hardware but very few companies are doing
         | anything.
        
           | Kalium wrote:
           | The key question is always a painfully simple one: how much
           | are people willing to pay as a privacy-first premium?
           | 
           | The answers to this determine everything. Treating privacy-
           | first as the moral and ethical default we should expect
           | everyone to start from is a wonderful idea, rooted in
           | compassion, kindness, and a foundational respect for human
           | rights. It has also been an abject failure to date.
           | 
           | We should not expect the future to be different unless we are
           | willing to be realistic about the economics at work.
           | Otherwise the market gap will remain in the realm of the
           | wonderfully hypothetical forever.
        
           | OmahaBoy69 wrote:
           | Shameless plug:
           | 
           | https://github.com/TeamOpenSmartGlasses/OpenSourceSmartGlass.
           | ..
           | 
           | ASR is done locally on the user's phone.
        
         | Rustwerks wrote:
         | The implications are approximately the same as
         | https://www.amazon.com/tape-recorder/s?k=tape+recorder except
         | with compute power to make storage and search more convenient.
         | Except that the glasses/app don't save anything by default nor
         | do they need to use the internet.
         | 
         | I suppose it would be a nice feature if they saved all of your
         | conversations for later? The translations are too imperfect for
         | any legal matter use.
        
           | Vrondi wrote:
           | Bad choice of example, because a tape recorder has no network
           | connection and requires some effort to capture into a digital
           | format that can easily be shared on a network. Unlike tape
           | recorders, recent digital devices and apps often harvest your
           | info behind the scenes.
        
         | Sunspark wrote:
         | It's not that easy to pick up every speech utterance in a wide
         | range and separate it by speaker. The further away the sound
         | is, the less intelligible it is. An artificial non-directional
         | microphone is unlikely to pick up with the same clarity or
         | distance as with your own ears. There should not be any privacy
         | concern with having a microphone ear vs a biological ear. If
         | there is a concern the best way to manage it is to not talk
         | about confidential topics with other people in the room.
         | 
         | There won't be any ads, because people would just use their
         | phones instead which don't have ads. Specifically Google Live
         | Transcribe, Otter and the like. Those require a data connection
         | to the network, but there are versions that don't need the
         | network at all. E.g. Chrome's Live Caption option. Eventually
         | as technology becomes more power efficient and miniaturized it
         | won't need to be paired to a phone.
         | 
         | The advantage of glasses is that people find it very
         | distracting seeing a phone scrolling away, my GP stares at the
         | phone instead of me because he is fascinated by it. Sometimes
         | you can't be holding a phone up if something is being worked
         | on. The glasses would also allow for a bit more directionality.
         | It's a promising tool depending on how well it is implemented.
        
         | primax wrote:
         | I don't see how this is inherently worse than mobile phones,
         | which are carried by everyone in the developed world all the
         | time.
        
           | hunter2_ wrote:
           | The likelihood that what you say "in person" is recorded and
           | stored by someone easily subpoenaed increases quite a bit.
           | While mobile apps might record and upload without the owner
           | of the phone knowing, the odds seem low; this changes the
           | situation significantly.
        
         | danscarfe wrote:
         | We've taken a privacy-first approach here. All data is only
         | ever stored on the device, owned by the user, inaccessible to
         | us. It's only ever transcribing when a user asks it to and only
         | stored if the user asks it to be. We don't censor anything. We
         | are soon to release purely on-device transcription, but the
         | quality of this is still not as good as the cloud providers
         | offer. The app itself is what powers the glasses, they are just
         | output devices.
        
       | ghotli wrote:
       | So I dug around a little bit and figured I'd just ask.
       | 
       | As just some guy on the internet, can I buy one of these and
       | write a hello world to have text show up in front of my eyes of
       | my own choosing? Does it have an API or will it?
        
       | zoklet-enjoyer wrote:
       | My Pixel phone can do this. Why are the glasses so expensive and
       | bulky?
        
         | NovaDudely wrote:
         | 1. They don't have the same kind of budget as Google to get the
         | scale down as effectively.
         | 
         | 2. If these are the ones I have heard about before, all the
         | speech to text is done on the device not in the cloud. This is
         | for privacy reasons. Means it needs a bit more bulk for the
         | gear to work.
        
           | zoklet-enjoyer wrote:
           | These glasses are connected to a phone app
        
         | danscarfe wrote:
         | Compared to contemporary AR glasses ($2k+), these Nreal Airs
         | are fairly cost effective at $379. We plan to support lots more
         | glasses as they come out, especially ones with waveguide
         | technology that doesn't require the shared lenses.
        
       | ElijahLynn wrote:
       | Video doesn't have a link to product. Here it is:
       | https://xrai.glass/
        
       | WastingMyTime89 wrote:
       | Reading the comments here, I think people are missing how many
       | people are losing hearing while aging and how alienating it is.
       | Even if it only works with one speaker at a time, it could mean a
       | massive quality of life improvement for a large and growing share
       | of the population.
       | 
       | Sure it won't solve the issues faced by the deaf community but
       | that's only a tiny portion of the people handicapped by
       | difficulty hearing.
        
       | eclipxe wrote:
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQd394a4qEo
        
         | flanbiscuit wrote:
         | Anyone know the status of these Google AR glasses?
         | 
         | The form factor of Google's AR glasses look much much closer to
         | a normal pair of glasses than the glasses in the top video
         | (which look like heavy sunglasses with a wire connecting to
         | your phone)
         | 
         | You posted a CNET link, here's a direct link to Google's:
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj0bFX9HXeE
         | 
         | In the description it says: "This device has not been
         | authorized as required by the rules of the Federal
         | Communications Commission. This device is not, and may not be,
         | offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased, until
         | authorization is obtained."
         | 
         | So I guess they might be waiting for that?
        
       | giraffe_lady wrote:
       | Very cool, especially for people who lose their hearing later in
       | life. For other deaf people it's important to remember that
       | written english is not a form of their native sign language1, so
       | this would be like (because it is) reading captions in a second
       | language. Still potentially useful but with more limitations. Not
       | that there's necessarily a technological way around those
       | limitations either.
       | 
       | 1 Afaik this applies to all other sign languages outside english
       | too. Signed Exact English exists and probably other-language
       | equivalents too but I've never met a native speaker.
        
         | generalizations wrote:
         | The problem with ASL compared to lip reading is that it's a
         | form of self-segregation, limiting the deaf person to primarily
         | communicating only with other people who know ASL. If these
         | glasses are effective, it could help bridge that gap.
        
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           | giraffe_lady wrote:
           | Why would you compare an entire language to a single
           | technique like that? There is no "the problem" with ASL any
           | more than there is "the problem" with english or any other
           | language. Yes communicating across the barrier can be a
           | challenge but that's just the nature of having more than one
           | language in use.
        
             | generalizations wrote:
             | > that's just the nature of having more than one language
             | in use
             | 
             | Well, yeah. I guess my point is that ASL is pretty much a
             | foreign language.
             | 
             | I'd compare it to the situation with the english language
             | worldwide - since english is the _lingua franca_ , so to
             | speak, many countries around the world teach it as a second
             | language. If you don't learn english, then (generally
             | speaking) you're at a disadvantage because you can only
             | communicate with a subset of your population.
             | 
             | I'm not saying there's a problem with deaf people, any more
             | than there's a problem with anyone else who simply doesn't
             | happen to know the languages of some of the people around
             | them.
        
             | TehShrike wrote:
             | Only being able to see ASL is different from speaking a
             | different language - it's still English. Not being able to
             | hear is more like not being able to read.
             | 
             | It's the same language you already know, but you're missing
             | out on one of the primary ways people use it.
        
               | metal_am wrote:
               | ASL is based on French, so the structure is completely
               | different.
        
               | giraffe_lady wrote:
               | ASL is not based on french either. It's related to LSF,
               | the sign language used in france, but that _also_ isn 't
               | based on french. The modern sign languages emerged among
               | deaf populations and have completely different grammar
               | and morphology from the spoken languages of the cultures
               | surrounding their origins.
        
               | metal_am wrote:
               | Thank you for correcting me. That's a deep rabbit hole
        
               | giraffe_lady wrote:
               | Oh you should definitely look it up then because this is
               | completely incorrect. Sign languages are fully distinct
               | languages with their own histories and influences.
               | 
               | For example the sign languages spoken in the US and in
               | the UK have different ancestries and are _not_ mutually
               | comprehensible, despite both countries using english as
               | spoken languages.
        
               | elliekelly wrote:
               | No, ASL is not English. ASL is a complete and distinct
               | natural language in its own right.
        
           | elliekelly wrote:
           | I suspect (and hope) you had no ill intent but this comment
           | is really ignorant. There is a terrible history of Deaf
           | people being discriminated against and forced to "lip read"
           | rather than communicate through ASL. And by "forced" I mean
           | they were more or less mentally and physically tortured into
           | compliance.
           | 
           | Your comment not only perpetuates this totally false
           | narrative that there's a "problem" with ASL but it makes it
           | sound like Deaf people have chosen only to socialize among
           | themselves when the reality is that we have built a world
           | that makes communication difficult for Deaf people. It
           | doesn't have to be that way:
           | https://icyseas.org/2014/01/12/marthas-vineyard-deaf-
           | people-...
           | 
           | You might find the Deaf mythology(?) of Eyeth interesting:
           | https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/10/opinion/deaf-
           | population-i...
        
             | generalizations wrote:
             | I feel like you're making my comment out to be a lot more
             | hostile than it was intended.
             | 
             | I don't see any "problem" with deaf people. I see ASL as,
             | effectively, a foreign language; and it makes sense to me
             | that in general, you're able to live more effectively when
             | you can speak the same language as the people around you.
             | 
             | When I traveled overseas to a spanish-speaking country, I
             | learned spanish so that I could communicate with the people
             | there. It would be unreasonable for me to show up as the
             | cliche american tourist and expect the spanish-speaking
             | people there to learn english so that I could communicate
             | with them.
        
               | PuppyTailWags wrote:
               | I think you're misunderstanding the parent poster: You
               | don't have to be intentionally hostile to perpetuate
               | harmful and ignorant falsehoods. In fact the parent
               | poster states they don't believe you're intentionally
               | perpetuating ignorance. But, it's reasonable for someone
               | to firmly rebut harmful ignorance in a manner, even if
               | that level of firmness doesn't match your self-perception
               | of your ignorance.
        
               | generalizations wrote:
               | Which of us is ignorantly perpetuating a falsehood? It's
               | important to maintain civil dialog until the truth is
               | discovered.
               | 
               | Edit: got annoyed.
        
               | PuppyTailWags wrote:
               | The poster in question said you were ignorant and linked
               | to multiple places to give you more context.
               | 
               | edited: the below sections refers to something that has
               | been edited out
               | 
               | I understand that it might feel harsh, but to me, it
               | looks like you're just being corrected and rebutted just
               | like you said you'd be open to.
        
               | generalizations wrote:
               | I did read the links. And my response incorporated what
               | I'd understood from those. I was actually kinda curious
               | how the parent would respond to the analogy with foreign
               | travel.
               | 
               | Rebuttals aren't just one-and-done. You have to be able
               | to actually defend your position, and that requires a lot
               | more than just one statement.
        
               | giraffe_lady wrote:
               | > Which of us is ignorantly perpetuating a falsehood?
               | 
               | lmao it is absolutely you that's what we're trying to
               | tell you
        
               | generalizations wrote:
               | That's the problem with logic; it works both ways. If you
               | were the ignorant one perpetuating the falsehood, how
               | would you know unless I told you?
        
               | giraffe_lady wrote:
               | Wait are you implying you think the main way people learn
               | things is by spewing bullshit on the internet until
               | someone contests it? Read a book ya dingus. wikipedia.
               | christ.
        
               | generalizations wrote:
               | That makes no sense. And I have less confidence than
               | before that you know what you're talking about.
        
               | elliekelly wrote:
               | I'm not sure how you can read hostility into my comment
               | when I plainly stated I didn't think you were commenting
               | with ill intent. Ignorance doesn't require intent though.
               | 
               | ASL isn't a "foreign" language. It's an American
               | language. In fact, it's more "American" than English.
               | People who communicate via ASL aren't foreigners on
               | holiday. They're our friends and family and neighbors.
               | You are absolutely correct in your assumption that being
               | able to communicate with those around you is important!
               | 
               | Imagine if everyone around you just refused to engage
               | with you verbally and would only communicate via text
               | messages. If you're speaking they completely ignore you
               | until you write it down. If they're speaking while you're
               | around it's always in whispers so that you can really
               | only get bits and pieces. How would you feel? Annoyed?
               | Excluded? Like you're not able to fully understand
               | conversations?
               | 
               | Your travel analogy doesn't hold water because (in
               | addition to Deaf people not being foreigners or guests!)
               | you seem unwilling or unable to understand that (1)
               | hearing is a critical component of effective verbal
               | communication and (2) Deaf people _can't_ hear. Again,
               | I'll chalk it up to ignorance rather than ill intent but
               | your analogy as a whole is pretty gross to paint Deaf
               | people as entitled, unreasonable, and demanding. Your
               | analogy is akin to suggesting it's unreasonable for me, a
               | person who can walk, to rollerskate everywhere I go and
               | it would be unreasonable for me to expect curb cuts just
               | so I could rollerskate everywhere so therefore it's
               | unreasonable for people who use a wheelchair to expect
               | curb cuts. If someone who uses a wheelchair wants to use
               | the sidewalk they should just try fucking _walking_
               | right? I don't know why no one has thought of that!
        
             | YurgenJurgensen wrote:
             | There's nothing inherent to the world we have built that's
             | stopping deaf people using the Internet in their own
             | languages. Yet there's no ASL Wikipedia. Why not?
        
               | elliekelly wrote:
               | There are many languages that don't use a system of
               | writing.
        
               | YurgenJurgensen wrote:
               | But there's not many that can't use a system of writing.
        
             | phailhaus wrote:
             | Unfortunately, there are very few Deaf people, so there is
             | no world in which everyone learns ASL just in case they
             | meet a Deaf person. It just doesn't scale, and so what you
             | end up with is isolating them even further. The best
             | approach is to bridge the gap: similar glasses can be used
             | by hearing folks to translate sign language, and it
             | theoretically generalizes to all foreign languages.
        
               | elliekelly wrote:
               | Check out that first link about Martha's Vineyard ;)
        
               | phailhaus wrote:
               | Yeah that's what I'm replying to. Most of the country is
               | not like that so ASL is not going to be a shared
               | language, and expecting them to move is not feasible
               | either.
        
         | gedy wrote:
         | > Not that there's necessarily a technological way around those
         | limitations either.
         | 
         | I can see at some point here being able to wear AR glasses that
         | overlay hand signing over the speaker
        
         | norgie wrote:
         | It is true and something more people should understand that ASL
         | is not a signed version English, but most ASL speakers are
         | pretty much bilingual. They are taught to read English, and
         | most places also encourage learning to speak English, generally
         | with speech-language pathologists, though some in the community
         | are understandably reluctant.
        
           | blamestross wrote:
           | "most" is an interesting choice of word here.
           | 
           | It's true. 70% of deaf children learn to read English [1].
           | But I don't think that's enough to consider it a safe
           | assumption.
           | 
           | [1] https://www.handsandvoices.org/articles/education/advocac
           | y/w...
        
             | kzrdude wrote:
             | Why isn't it more than 70%? I'm assuming this is in an
             | english language majority language, so everyone that can
             | should want to be able to read english.
        
           | giraffe_lady wrote:
           | Right, which is why I'm pointing out the second language
           | nature of it since a lot of people are bilingual and I think
           | have an intuitive grasp of the difference in ease between
           | captions in your native language and captions in your second.
        
           | metal_am wrote:
           | Oral vs. sign is a big ongoing debate in the deaf education
           | world. Different schools have different schools of thought.
        
         | spullara wrote:
         | Folks that use ASL use fingerspelling which is of course just
         | written english, no?
         | 
         | https://www.lifeprint.com/asl101/fingerspelling/fingerspelli...
        
           | kiba wrote:
           | No. Fingerspelled words are not written English, but
           | literally spelled out English words.
           | 
           | For example, it would be like me saying, "'h', 'e', 'l', 'l',
           | 'o'" instead of whatever translated 'hello' in ASL.
        
           | Tarragon wrote:
           | Nope. https://www.signingsavvy.com/article/45/The+difference+
           | betwe...
           | 
           | Here's a fun example. ASL allows, maybe even requires,
           | negation after the statement. An interpreter friend of mine
           | was interpreting _Wayne 's World_ in a mixed crowd. The whole
           | "<statement>... NOT!" joke gets laughs from the hearing
           | audience and the Deaf audience doesn't understand why.
        
           | giraffe_lady wrote:
           | I have only basic ASL and am by no means an authority. But I
           | think between native ASL speakers its use would be very rare,
           | mostly just to clarify an exact spelling for something that
           | was going to be written down in english.
           | 
           | Native ASL speakers who are completely illiterate in english
           | certainly exist, and I'm not sure at all if they know or use
           | finger spelling.
        
           | craigbaker wrote:
           | Fingerspelling is just a path for borrowing individual words
           | from English. It is not a part of native ASL vocabulary or
           | grammar; that is to say, ASL does not consist of
           | fingerspelled English sentences.
        
           | [deleted]
        
       | 1-6 wrote:
       | Can they make the glasses without tint?
       | 
       | I can imagine users going, "I'm deaf, not blind."
       | 
       | Magic Leap has screens that can adjust opacity at the pixel-
       | level.
        
         | danscarfe wrote:
         | The current generation of glasses (such as these Nreal Airs)
         | use a birdbath technology which requires a tint. The next
         | generation of waveguide glasses won't require this but they are
         | currently not as good visual quality, especially for reading
         | text. They are also a lot more money. Everything is a trade off
         | right now. The next couple of years will be transformational.
        
       | quantumquetzal wrote:
       | Background: researched this space for a graduate degree.
       | 
       | There are a few issues that are unanswered by this video (which
       | isn't intended to be a technical deep dive, but I don't see any
       | related links in the video description):
       | 
       | 1. How do these glasses handle multiple simultaneous speakers?
       | Based on the display I saw, it shows the speakers' words
       | sequentially, which starts to fall apart in real-world
       | environments, especially group conversations. This is a big
       | problem, and wider adoption is contingent on handling this
       | elegantly.
       | 
       | 2. These appear to be the classic "smart glasses" display style
       | that's pervasive in consumer head-worn displays today, where
       | content is projected at a fixed depth in front of the wearer.
       | Because the captions aren't anchored at the same focal distance
       | as the speaker, the wearer's eyes will swap between the captions
       | and the speaker's faces, which is a tiring activity, and can make
       | the wearer feel like they're not part of the conversation or
       | being rude.
       | 
       | 3. As mentioned by another commenter, this is a useful idea for
       | people who lose their hearing later in life. That said, this is
       | less (although certainly still) useful for people who have
       | congenital hearing loss and primarily communicate via ASL.
       | 
       | All in all, it's exciting to see growing interest in this space,
       | as it's easily extendable to people learning a new language or
       | navigating a foreign country. I think offloading the speech-to-
       | text to a tethered mobile device is a good choice (though it
       | would be nice to do low-latency wireless transmission).
        
         | justinator wrote:
         | _> 3. As mentioned by another commenter, this is a useful idea
         | for people who lose their hearing later in life. That said,
         | this is less (although certainly still) useful for people who
         | have congenital hearing loss and primarily communicate via
         | ASL.>_
         | 
         | Someone primarily communicates with ASL and then there's me
         | that doesn't know ASL. I can speak to them, and they can read
         | what I've spoken. That works pretty well. They communicate with
         | me via text to speech, or (I guess in the near future) ASL to
         | speech - however that will work.
         | 
         | I mean, that's awesome.
        
         | ape4 wrote:
         | It would be nice if it put the captions over the speaker (in a
         | speech bubble?)
        
           | danscarfe wrote:
           | You pin the captions next to the person. We did try speech
           | bubbles, but it didn't look great, so we went back to simple
           | subtitles.
        
         | aeturnum wrote:
         | This is a classic curbcut in the sense that it will help those
         | with heading as much (if not more than) the D/deaf community.
         | Still very excited for it - agree with all your questions and
         | concerns.
         | 
         | As usual, this marketing seems most directed at normate ideas
         | about what disabled people want / need, but the tech seems very
         | cool and there does seem to be potential. Without looking into
         | the product deeply it seems like there are D/deaf people on the
         | team, which gives me hope.
         | 
         | I do wish that we would just embrace the idea that using
         | machines to make information available in many mediums is
         | something all people can use and appreciate.
        
           | nohaydeprobleme wrote:
           | To make the comment easier to read for others, it looks like
           | the commenter may have made a slight typo and meant to write
           | "hearing" instead of heading, to convey:
           | 
           | > "This is a classic curbcut in the sense that it will help
           | those with [edit: hearing] as much (if not more than)..."
        
         | DrKeithDuggar wrote:
         | Thank you for looking at XRAI Glass!
         | 
         | 1. For multiple simultaneous speakers of comparable volume,
         | it's only as good as the underlying speech-to-text engines
         | we've implemented/integrated, which is currently not very good.
         | It's active area of research and engineering for us and we
         | believe we'll make strides to improve things; but, as you
         | rightly point out, solving the crosstalk problem is very
         | difficult. For the more general so-called "cocktail party
         | problem", we can do a good job of filtering out more
         | distant/lower volume voices and other environmental noise.
         | Choosing the right microphone can improve things further, for
         | example by pairing a noise canceling Bluetooth lapel mic.
         | 
         | 2. We allow one to project the subtitles at varying depth,
         | within the capabilities of glasses. We're seeing an effective
         | focal depth range for fixed apparent size of about 0.5m to 3m.
         | If one also allows change in apparent size, to simulate
         | perspective scaling, the range is higher.
        
           | roughly wrote:
           | I imagine it'd substantially increase the compute load, but
           | I'd be curious if you could use multiple microphones and beam
           | forming to separate out the streams of speech and feed them
           | to the TTS algorithm independently.
        
             | kajecounterhack wrote:
             | Single-mic source separation is possible in an unsupervised
             | manner today that could probably work better than
             | beamforming both compute-wise and with regard to
             | implementation difficulty (you'd just need a lot of
             | recordings to represent the space of sounds you want to
             | separate).
        
               | morcheeba wrote:
               | Maybe a combination? Even simple beamforming/stereo would
               | be helpful to help display the speaker's location. For
               | example, the "speaker 1" tag could appear on the left,
               | center, or right of the display to give a spatial clue
               | where they are located.
        
         | gumby wrote:
         | I have a different use case, involving wearing them in the
         | house: listen to what my girlfriend says, use some ML to
         | analyze whether I need to know it and if so, put it on the
         | display.
         | 
         | She has a different "speech mode" than I: she speaks while I'm
         | reading or washing the dishes or whatever, and sometimes it's
         | to herself, sometimes to Siri, and sometimes it's something she
         | wants me to know.
        
           | cecilpl2 wrote:
           | There is a simple wetware solution, which is that she learns
           | to say your name before saying something she wants you to
           | know.
        
             | drjasonharrison wrote:
             | Do you have any idea how hard it is to train partners to
             | use your name once they fall out of practice? It's like
             | there is a negative reinforcement stimulus applied
             | everytime they do use your name.
             | 
             | I noticed that my wife stopped using my name when it became
             | more ambiguous as to who she was talking to because our
             | kids are now older and conversations (really instructions
             | and queries) are at the "adult content" level rather then
             | "child content" level.
             | 
             | Retraining her will be challenging.
        
             | whitemary wrote:
             | That would still require him to listen to his girlfriend
             | talk. With all the technological innovation available
             | today, nobody should have to listen to their girlfriends
             | talk.
        
       | sigwinch28 wrote:
       | I hope (reatively immature) solutions like this will not be used
       | as an excuse to remove accessible infrastructure from the world
       | (e.g. captions at the cinema, live subtitles at the theatre, text
       | displays on public transport).
        
         | drjasonharrison wrote:
         | There is a huge population group that I am hoping will demand
         | and make accessibility much more refined. Everything from the
         | size of text to lighting levels to subtitles
        
           | sigwinch28 wrote:
           | Which group is that? Disabled people, or their allies, or
           | someone else?
        
       | tossaway0 wrote:
       | I admittedly don't have much experience with deaf people; I had
       | one acquaintance in high school who was deaf. Hanging out with
       | him made me very aware of how isolating it can be to only be able
       | to participate in conversations where you are actively trying to
       | pay attention.
       | 
       | If these can let people hang out and participate without having
       | to actively track each speaker in a group setting it will go a
       | long way.
        
       | allanrbo wrote:
       | Bought a pair of these glasses, Nreal Air, a few months ago. I
       | find them useful for laptop coding without straining my neck.
       | It's awesome to see more creative use cases for them!
        
       | Andrew_nenakhov wrote:
       | Mod with speech bubbles would be high on my priorities list, and
       | a bonus would be a comic book font.
        
       | danscarfe wrote:
       | Thanks for the shout-out! To try and answer your questions:
       | 
       | 1) The cocktail party problem is still a WIP. This is a very hard
       | problem to solve.
       | 
       | 2) These are not 'viewer' glasses they are 3DOF glasses which
       | support moving and pinning the subtitles in 3D space
       | 
       | 3) Whilst we targeted the Deaf and HOF to begin, we see broad
       | applicability beyond this
       | 
       | 4) You don't need glasses to test it, just an Android 12+ phone.
       | Download and try it. We'd love your feedback
       | https://link.xrai.glass/app
        
         | ogig wrote:
         | Hi there: Some feedback from a sing language interpreter, my
         | wife, as I showed her this.
         | 
         | > 4) You don't need glasses to test it, just an Android 12+
         | phone.
         | 
         | This exactly pointed her. Some deaf people will use any
         | dictation software on the phone, and look at the phone when
         | needed. This glasses instead will cover some field of view.
         | Note that view for deaf people is more important and used than
         | for the rest of us. She couldn't see the improvement of using
         | bulky glasses instead of lowering your eyes to the phone.
         | 
         | Personally I think the endeavor is admirable and wish you best
         | of luck. Also, as other comments say, I think this product
         | might be more desirable for HOF and late in life hearing loss
         | sectors than born deaf people.
        
           | danscarfe wrote:
           | The advantage of using AR glasses is you can still look at
           | the person, see their facial expressions, the reactions etc
           | without always having to look down at your phone. The glasses
           | aren't very bulky or heavy. We're just providing an option
           | for those that want it. It's a magical experience :)
        
       | Blackthorn wrote:
       | This is the sort of thing I expected Google Glass to be able to
       | do. But Google apparently lacks sufficient imagination, so they
       | just unceremoniously canned it. Really hope this takes off.
        
         | dymk wrote:
         | Google literally announced this feature 10 months ago at I/O
         | 2022
        
         | zoklet-enjoyer wrote:
         | I was so excited for the possibilities of AR when I first heard
         | about Google Glass. I imagined navigating foreign cities with
         | signs auto-translated to English, turn by turn directions,
         | translated subtitles, etc
        
       | raldi wrote:
       | I'm impressed at how not-awful the glasses look.
       | 
       | I do wish there had been a real-life shot showing how the text
       | appears to the wearer, though.
        
         | danscarfe wrote:
         | You can see how it appears in our promo video:
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iilN0368vQU
        
           | raldi wrote:
           | The video gives the general idea, but it only shows a
           | graphical simulation of what the wearer sees. I'm curious to
           | see an actual photo or video of the text appearing on the
           | lens of the glasses, in reality, with no special effects.
        
       | Mizza wrote:
       | Would love a version for translation. I don't need the glasses,
       | just read the translation to me and I'll wear an ear bud. And if
       | you could make it work at a loud party, that'd be just perfect..
        
         | omoikane wrote:
         | Looks like this product exists:
         | 
         | https://support.google.com/googlepixelbuds/answer/7573100
        
         | tsimionescu wrote:
         | Speech to text barely works in the best conditions. Combine it
         | with bad audio, automatic translation, and text to speech, and
         | you'll be lucky if you understand 10% of what's being said.
        
       | JoeAltmaier wrote:
       | Other applications?
       | 
       | Travelers, translate Spanish to English etc.
       | 
       | Reconstruct voice in noisy environments.
       | 
       | ???
        
         | danscarfe wrote:
         | We support both!
        
           | gus_massa wrote:
           | In Spanish to English are you doing a word by word
           | translation, r fixing some basic gramar (for example changing
           | the order of adjectives and nouns)?
        
       | elil17 wrote:
       | I'm a hearing person and I've spent a summer interning in a 50/50
       | mixed Deaf and hearing research group.
       | 
       | My take is that this is a huge UI improvement for AI speech to
       | text, which a lot of Deaf people are already using to listen to
       | conversations. It seems particularity great because it allows
       | this technology to provide situational awareness while, for
       | example, walking.
       | 
       | It's important to remember, though that, for conversations where
       | you're trying to include a Deaf person who isn't good at speaking
       | or chooses not to speak, speech to text is a fundamentally
       | unequal communication modality. They will be able to "receive"
       | but they won't be able to "transmit", which makes for extremely
       | lopsided conversations. There is no substitute for taking the
       | time to learn a sign language or to have conversations via
       | writing (no substitute for sign language as it requires a lot of
       | patience from both parties).
        
         | jackblemming wrote:
         | Why can't they also make glasses that translate sign language
         | into English audio or text then?
        
           | dgunay wrote:
           | Not an expert in either technology but I would imagine a lot
           | of the difficulties of speech to text (bad recording
           | conditions, variety of accents & pronunciation differences,
           | etc) also have analogues in computer recognition of hand
           | signs (camera alignment is bad, cut off, lighting is bad,
           | someone's hand signs are lazily performed or slightly
           | different than textbook ASL, etc).
           | 
           | Speech to text was "solved" a long time ago but I've seen it
           | take many years to become as usable as it has recently. And
           | it still regularly is frustrating to use for me!
        
             | tsimionescu wrote:
             | My experience of speech to text has been terrible. As soon
             | as someone has a bit of an accent, it becomes completely
             | incoherent, even if all participants understand the accent
             | perfectly. Even for good accents, using any kind of
             | technical terms or proper names throws it off. And even
             | when none of these are a problem, it still has at least a
             | few percent error, even for English.
        
           | dymk wrote:
           | I'm sure that's something someone could do! And it sounds
           | like a very fun project. It probably hasn't already been done
           | because there already exist very good speech-to-text models
           | and not many (any?) sign-language-to-{text,audio} models
        
           | zie wrote:
           | Sign language is a complex language, so something has to
           | learn yet another language. Perhaps made all the more complex
           | as it's spatial and visual instead of verbal or written.
           | 
           | Not every deaf person uses sign language and there are many
           | different sign languages in the world. American Sign
           | Language(ASL) is but one of these languages.
        
             | richbell wrote:
             | > Sign language is a complex language
             | 
             | Specifically, sign languages are not visual representations
             | of existing languages (e.g. ASL and English) but completely
             | different languages altogether.
        
               | zie wrote:
               | Exactly. Though Visual "representations"(for lack of a
               | better word) of English do exist in dialects like
               | SEE(Signed Exact English), which is obviously not the
               | same as ASL.
               | 
               | I'm sure other signed languages have rough equivalents in
               | their regional areas as well. I know Mexico has a few
               | different signed languages, though I only have passing
               | familiarity with 1 of their signed languages and it's
               | definitely not a representation of Spanish.
        
               | SamuelAdams wrote:
               | And even then, there are different dialects of ASL.
        
         | hinkley wrote:
         | We get this wrong even for hearing people in a lot of
         | situations. Conference calls in particular, the people in the
         | room have a different experience from those on the call. Side
         | conversations in a single room can be disruptive, but over a
         | phone the secondary conversation and the primary can turn into
         | an unintelligible mash.
         | 
         | Hard of hearing people have the same problem in person. We
         | aren't really at a place yet where someone wearing hearing aids
         | still has 3d hearing. So like on a conference call, they can't
         | figure out what's going on when four people are talking at
         | once.
         | 
         | I know a partially deaf kid who prefers socializing on Discord,
         | because of this. Everyone is equal and all conversations have
         | to be 2 people at a time.
        
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