[HN Gopher] Vesuvius Challenge
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       Vesuvius Challenge
        
       Author : razin
       Score  : 152 points
       Date   : 2023-03-15 15:32 UTC (7 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (scrollprize.org)
 (TXT) w3m dump (scrollprize.org)
        
       | localplume wrote:
       | Reminds me of Kuzushiji recognition with ML, transcribing
       | historical Japanese documents. Both are my favorite applications
       | of ML: deciphering the past. This is really damn cool.
        
         | janpaul123 wrote:
         | <3
        
       | SubiculumCode wrote:
       | I do a lot of brain image segmentation in my research using
       | multiatlas image segmentation, which involves diffeomorphic image
       | registration from multiple labeled atlases...but the amount of
       | curling in on itself of these layered sheets seems a daunting
       | problem for a fully automated pipeline.
        
         | irrational wrote:
         | People spent many many decades laboriously putting tiny little
         | dead sea scroll fragments back together like the world's worst
         | jigsaw puzzle. I think that shows if there is a way to do this
         | that takes a lot of tedious manual labor over many decades,
         | there are people who will be willing to do that. They just need
         | the tools to do the work without destroying the scrolls.
        
         | natfriedman wrote:
         | It seems quite possible that the solution isn't fully
         | automated. N is in the hundreds. And modern AI does, in fact,
         | involve quite a lot of hand crafted data...
        
       | janpaul123 wrote:
       | One of the organizers here! Would love to welcome everyone's
       | questions, ideas, etc! :)
        
         | all2 wrote:
         | How do I get my hands on the data set? There's no indication on
         | the site about how to make an attempt.
        
           | all2 wrote:
           | Nevermind. There's a hamburger menu in the top right corner.
           | It wasn't immediately obvious to me.
        
         | all2 wrote:
         | Another note: the demo data [0] is behind an HTTP link.
         | Consider getting it behind HTTPS. My browser was complaining
         | about downloading the data from plain HTTP.
         | 
         | [0]
         | https://gist.github.com/janpaul123/280262ebce904f7366fe4cc15...
        
           | janpaul123 wrote:
           | Good point, we'll look into it!
        
         | jawns wrote:
         | Is this the most cost-effective way to achieve the desired
         | outcome?
        
           | janpaul123 wrote:
           | We don't know. But it's the most fun!
        
             | SubiculumCode wrote:
             | Does the prize include a PhD? /s Because, this sounds like
             | a dissertation-level project, and that prize money is less
             | than the cost of supporting a grad student, or a post doc
             | for a couple of years. That said, I think this is soo
             | freaking cool.
        
       | SubiculumCode wrote:
       | This needs to be solved ASAP. Chat-gpt needs more training data!
       | 
       | but seriously, way cool project.
        
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         | janpaul123 wrote:
         | More data!!
        
       | ccooffee wrote:
       | The images/animations in this page are fantastic at visually
       | explaining something quite complicated. I would not have been
       | able to understand the difficulty without them.
        
         | natfriedman wrote:
         | Credit for those goes to Jonny Hyman, who also does animations
         | for Veritasium, Dejan Gotic, who did the fancy 3d animations,
         | and JP Posma, who directed the entire project!
        
       | mkaic wrote:
       | Man, there's probably a dozen different loosely-formed ideas
       | floating in my head right now -- kudos on the exciting
       | presentation, you really make the problem seem interesting. I may
       | just have to give this a shot, though I think the odds of me
       | figuring it out are exceptionally low. Still, working on cutting-
       | edge problems is motivating, even if they're above my pay grade
       | :)
       | 
       | You've nerd-sniped me good and proper. May the best team win!
        
         | janpaul123 wrote:
         | Haha yesss, nerd-sniping is the goal!
         | 
         | I believe that there could be quite a few different ways in
         | which this could get solved. The potential solution space is
         | huge, so you might just stumble upon something interesting if
         | you wander places where no one else is looking..
         | 
         | Good luck!!
        
       | glfharris wrote:
       | Fantastic project. Amazing to think that there's an entire first
       | century library just waiting for the technology to be read.
        
         | janpaul123 wrote:
         | Right?! Who knows what could be waiting in a library owned by
         | leaders of the Roman Empire
        
       | Matt_Cutts wrote:
       | For what it's worth, I worked with Dr. Seales while getting my
       | undergrad degree. Happy to vouch that he and his team are great
       | humans.
       | 
       | This is such a fascinating problem, and could have real benefits
       | for society. Imagine uncovering ancient works that would
       | otherwise be lost.
        
         | janpaul123 wrote:
         | Awesome!! They're so great; it's been such a joy to be welcomed
         | into their project.
         | 
         | And totally -- especially if there is indeed a larger library
         | still waiting to be excavated. Who knows how many completely
         | unique texts are waiting to be read, if we just have the right
         | method to do so?!
        
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