[HN Gopher] Little Snitch Mini
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       Little Snitch Mini
        
       Author : robenkleene
       Score  : 102 points
       Date   : 2023-03-22 22:05 UTC (55 minutes ago)
        
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       | ary wrote:
       | People are probably be confused between this and the "full"
       | version of Little Snitch. My take on it is that Little Snitch
       | Mini is something you can install on a non-technical friend or
       | family member's computer whereas power users may want to stick
       | with the existing offering.
       | 
       | I say this as a long time heavy user of Little Snitch. It's very
       | annoying when you first get it installed, but it provides really
       | useful control over what installed software is getting up to.
       | After a time you settle into a natural rule set for your personal
       | patterns and only see alerts when new or updated software tries a
       | network connection that hasn't been seen before.
       | 
       | "Mini" strikes me as much more of a fire-and-forget product,
       | which I appreciate but won't personally use.
        
         | dmix wrote:
         | I've always thought this should be a feature in an OS for
         | advanced users. Combined with some OS level security
         | optimizations it could be quite a powerful security feature for
         | the paranoid and at-risk.
         | 
         | I haven't tried mini but there's probably plenty of UX gains in
         | between the standard Little Snitch fine control approach and
         | the UBlock Origin style community curated defaults where
         | control/customization is optional/on-demand.
        
           | ary wrote:
           | Completely agree. Occasionally I run Charles Proxy[1] on my
           | iPhone to analyze network activity and am disturbed by what I
           | see. Software shouldn't be able to open arbitrary network
           | connections without user consent/control, but we're not there
           | yet to a large enough degree on mobile unfortunately.
           | 
           | [1] https://www.charlesproxy.com/documentation/ios/
        
       | alad_ wrote:
       | Any thoughts on the difference between using this vs DNS (e.g.
       | nextdns) with blocklists?
       | 
       | It seems like DNS is more convenient as you don't need to run
       | extra software on your machine and it works on any device.
        
         | lapcat wrote:
         | > Any thoughts on the difference between using this vs DNS
         | (e.g. nextdns) with blocklists?
         | 
         | Little Snitch is process-based, so you can block a specific
         | process from connecting to a specific domain while allowing
         | other processes to connect to the domain, whereas with DNS you
         | have to block every process from the domain. And of course
         | Little Snitch gives you process-level info too, which DNS
         | doesn't.
        
       | tinglymintyfrsh wrote:
       | I use LS. Mini wouldn't work for me at work or home. It's
       | probably targeted and useful for non-developer users.
       | 
       | I also use Objective See's LuLu, OverSight, ReiKey, and
       | RansomWhere.
       | 
       | https://objective-see.org
       | 
       | LuLu + LS makes any app using telemetry shriekingly obvious and
       | selectively denyable.
       | 
       | Work additionally deploys YARA, MS MDE, Malware Bytes, and an
       | MDM. There are other internal tools for password projection, DLP
       | (anti-exfil), and pre-execution binary allow/denylisting.
        
       | amelius wrote:
       | So, from a user's viewpoint, if your app talks to
       | blah.serv.direct.data.com how do you know whether it actually
       | needs that server for its main functionality or not?
       | 
       | I don't see how this snitch tool will not just generate a lot of
       | noise.
        
       | npunt wrote:
       | Smart move to go for the more casual user, it suggests Obdev has
       | been doing their homework and proactively talking to regular
       | users, rather than just blindly building feature requests. Tools
       | like Little Snitch so often get sucked into serving the loud
       | minority of expert users with ever more esoteric use cases, which
       | in turn make the tools even more complicated and harder to
       | approach for casuals. A death spiral of audience capture.
        
       | mostlysimilar wrote:
       | The original/full Little Snitch is the first thing I install on a
       | new Mac. Can't live without it.
        
       | dt3ft wrote:
       | Is there a Little Snitch alternative for Windows?
        
         | WirelessGigabit wrote:
         | I had great success with NetLimiter. Just like Little Snitch,
         | it's a pain to set up, but it's very revealing.
         | 
         | Also makes you wonder why your Logitech App is talking to all
         | these servers and why it needs to have 4 applications running
         | in the background to... do what exactly?
        
         | Wistar wrote:
         | A good question. I looked it up. The AlternativeTo site offers
         | a few PC alternatives to Little Snitch:
         | 
         |  _" Little Snitch is not available for Windows but there are
         | plenty of alternatives that runs on Windows with similar
         | functionality. The best Windows alternative is GlassWire, which
         | is free."_
         | 
         | https://alternativeto.net/software/little-snitch/?platform=w...
        
         | oktwtf wrote:
         | simplewall[0] is my #1 install on a new machine. Little
         | different, but it'll still alert you to the requests, allow for
         | timers, per application/route rules etc.
         | 
         | [0]: https://github.com/henrypp/simplewall
        
           | sasas wrote:
           | Can recommend simplewall - only only is it free, it's
           | completely opensource. Works wonderfully - highly
           | recommended.
        
         | dylan604 wrote:
         | I'm kind of scared to learn exactly how chatty Windows would
         | be.
        
           | oktwtf wrote:
           | It's not as bad as the vine says, but one thing that drives
           | me crazy, is widgets.exe seems to get a new hash /often/ and
           | I constantly get prompts for it.
           | 
           | It's all the installers that phone home at some point, and
           | video drivers needing access etc. (Wireless displays come at
           | a cost I guess).
        
         | jacooper wrote:
         | Safing
        
         | roblabla wrote:
         | I use netlimiter[0] on windows. It works pretty well, has more
         | or less the same workflow as little snitch.
         | 
         | Disclaimer: Just a happy paying user.
         | 
         | [0]: https://www.netlimiter.com/
        
       | jacooper wrote:
       | Seems to do the same thing as Safings Postmaster, which is also
       | Free and open source.
        
       | liminalsunset wrote:
       | How does this compare to the "LuLu" app from Objective-See? IIRC
       | that one was open source, while this isn't.
       | 
       | A few years ago there was a concern that Apple was exempting
       | itself from some of these firewalls. Were these concerns ever
       | addressed in any meaningful way by any of these apps since then?
        
         | lapcat wrote:
         | > IIRC that one was open source, while this isn't.
         | 
         | Yes. Little Snitch has been around for for a long time, though,
         | something like 20 years. The developer Obdev is trustworthy,
         | and I wholeheartedly recommend Little Snitch (the full version;
         | I haven't tried the Mini version).
         | 
         | > A few years ago there was a concern that Apple was exempting
         | itself from some of these firewalls. Were these concerns ever
         | addressed in any meaningful way by any of these apps since
         | then?
         | 
         | Apple fixed the issue.
        
           | dylan604 wrote:
           | >Apple fixed the issue.
           | 
           | What does that mean? They now play by the same rules as other
           | software, or they just did something else without actually
           | addressing the problem?
           | 
           | After Office Space and "we fixed the glitch", simply saying
           | "fixed the issue" leaves a lot to the imagination.
        
             | lapcat wrote:
             | > What does that mean? They now play by the same rules as
             | other software
             | 
             | Yes.
        
               | rvnx wrote:
               | Though Little Snitch itself doesn't show all its own
               | connections as far as I know (if you search for little
               | snitch call home)
        
       | SamuelAdams wrote:
       | How is this different from the traditional version of Little
       | Snitch?
        
         | ladberg wrote:
         | https://obdev.at/products/littlesnitch-mini/compare.html
         | 
         | Basically a lot fewer filtering features, and only monitoring
         | for free.
        
         | jonnat wrote:
         | They have a comparison page:
         | https://obdev.at/products/littlesnitch-mini/compare.html
        
           | crazygringo wrote:
           | It's remarkably difficult to compare the two with how they
           | describe them in totally different ways.
           | 
           | It really makes my wish they had one of those side-by-side
           | charts that tells you which features are in what.
        
       | mberning wrote:
       | I bought little snitch years ago but could never get into using
       | it consistently. Always seemed like a chore.
        
         | kstrauser wrote:
         | It's most definitely a chore for the first week. Then it
         | disappears from sight until it finds something unusual.
        
       | ladberg wrote:
       | The monitoring is super useful for metered connections (looking
       | at you, Comcast/Xfinity) and I happily paid for the full Little
       | Snitch for that feature. Super glad to hear it's free now! I've
       | tried to recommend it to people and it was a bit of a big
       | purchase for most to stomach just for the monitoring features.
        
       | obenn wrote:
       | Was ready to buy this until I saw it is a subscription, not
       | stand-alone.
        
         | selykg wrote:
         | Price seems fair, honestly. The full blown app is like $70,
         | plus upgrades when those come.
        
       | lucideer wrote:
       | As someone who's been paying for Little Snitch for a long time
       | this is an odd move, as this seems to do everything I would want.
       | 
       | Sure, I've availed of some of the more advanced features in the
       | paid version, but they definitely never seemed essential to me.
       | What I mainly need is the basics they've included in the free
       | version now.
       | 
       | I wonder if this is a direct response to Lulu (have been meaning
       | to try it but migration is friction)
        
         | darkstar999 wrote:
         | But you don't get connection blocking for free.
         | 
         | > The network monitoring functionality, including the real-time
         | connection list, traffic diagrams and the animated map view can
         | be used for free!
         | 
         | > The full feature set, including connection blocking, extended
         | traffic history time ranges, advanced display and filtering
         | options and more is available as an in-app purchase.
        
           | dylan604 wrote:
           | I guess if you are just doing an investigation to see if
           | there is any unusual traffic, the free version can be useful.
           | Since it's not actually preventing any of the traffic, it
           | doesn't make the paid for version useless. For those that
           | want to stop the data flow but continue using the chatty
           | software, upgrading to the paid version would still be a
           | thing. If you're the type to just stop/remove chatty
           | software, then this free version will help find them. Seems
           | kind of cool.
        
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