[HN Gopher] Treat your to-read pile like a river, not a bucket
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       Treat your to-read pile like a river, not a bucket
        
       Author : pps
       Score  : 292 points
       Date   : 2023-03-28 12:50 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | acomjean wrote:
       | In my younger years I subscribed to the New Yorker and the
       | Economist. Both full of interesting stuff, but a torrent. I had
       | to unsubscribe as I kept on thinking, I'll finish that one later,
       | but never did before the next one arrived. Great magazines for a
       | flight, where time seems boundless, and you were connection-less,
       | before the internet found its way onto airplanes.
       | 
       | You have to filter. Music, youtube, book content is created
       | faster than you can consume in your limited time on this planet.
       | I read mainly for information, and try spend more time with
       | friends/ hobbies. Still catch some TV, but I try to limit.
        
         | StrangeATractor wrote:
         | The New Yorker is great when you have the time. It seems like
         | the Economist has really trimmed the article length over the
         | years though, probably in response to web analytics.
        
       | uoaei wrote:
       | The best tip I've heard is similar to that in the article, and is
       | basically a mandate to acknowledge and consciously reject the
       | sunk cost fallacy.
       | 
       | In simple words, don't be afraid to put down a book before you've
       | finished it if it hasn't seized you in the first pages.
        
         | alwaysbeconsing wrote:
         | Very much agree, no shame in dropping a work you started if it
         | isn't as good as it seemed. Also skipping ahead in books and
         | skimming articles can help.
        
         | stcroixx wrote:
         | That could never work for me personally. A book isn't something
         | that's uniform in quality or engagement throughout, in fact
         | they're often predictably lopsided where the the first few
         | pages are getting you familiar with the characters and setting.
         | I also have to know the ending to even begin to think about the
         | book as a whole. Never not finished a book myself and I read a
         | lot - can't say I loved every book I've ever read, but I don't
         | regret the time spent finishing them, even the least enjoyable
         | ones.
        
           | uoaei wrote:
           | Authors pay a lot of attention to the first few pages of
           | their books, and try to expose the best aspects of their
           | writing style there in order to hook you in. I try to remain
           | conscious of this as I read in order to better anticipate the
           | style and content curation that follows.
           | 
           | > I don't regret the time spent finishing them
           | 
           | I think this is a different take than many others would have
           | on the topic of reading. I know I regret spending time
           | reading things that do not "spark joy", to put it pithily.
        
             | stcroixx wrote:
             | There's a wide range of emotions and impact I expect from
             | good writing - joy is nice, but hardly required for me. A
             | couple of my favorites I've read several times like East of
             | Eden or Brothers Karamazov end up being more like
             | fundamental changes to who I am rather just experiences of
             | emotion, neither being very joyous.
        
             | sfink wrote:
             | For fiction, I flip a book open to about 1/3 of the way
             | through and read a paragraph or two, which generally tells
             | me everything I need to know. That avoids the
             | unrepresentative intro portion--I appreciate a punchy
             | and/or gripping opening scene, but it's not very well
             | correlated to how much I'll enjoy the rest of the text.
             | 
             | It's weird, there aren't that many ways of choosing a set
             | of words to convey something, and yet an author's voice and
             | style comes through roughly the same no matter where I
             | sample from (except for the overworked parts, which usually
             | includes the beginning.) And it usually comes through
             | strong, which is great: sometimes I think my reading diet
             | is mostly about sampling a variety of good-tasting styles
             | of mental processing. (Sadly, that does mean that co-
             | written books hardly ever work for me. The voice is
             | muddled. It's rare that authors are able to meld their work
             | truly synergistically.)
        
               | nobody9999 wrote:
               | >Sadly, that does mean that co-written books hardly ever
               | work for me. The voice is muddled. It's rare that authors
               | are able to meld their work truly synergistically.
               | 
               | I thought the authors of the Expanse[0] series did a
               | pretty good job with that. AFAICT (but I have no way to
               | confirm this), they split the storytelling so that each
               | plot arc is consistent and speaks with a single voice.
               | 
               | I can certainly see how multiple authors _could_ muddle
               | the  "voice", but I think the quality (or otherwise) is
               | more a function of storyboarding/universe creation and
               | how well that's done collectively by the authors.
               | 
               | Please note I'm not really disagreeing with you and, as a
               | rule, your observation jibes with mine. Although (as I
               | mentioned) there are some exceptions.
               | 
               | [0]
               | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Expanse_(novel_series)
        
           | nobody9999 wrote:
           | >Never not finished a book myself and I read a lot - can't
           | say I loved every book I've ever read, but I don't regret the
           | time spent finishing them, even the least enjoyable ones.
           | 
           | I agree. I read a lot of books too, and I've only given up on
           | a few. Mostly I don't remember what they were (after all, I
           | disliked them enough not to finish them), but _BattleField
           | Earth_ [0] comes to mind. Gosh, what an awful read. Never did
           | finish that one. Ugh.
           | 
           | Other than those few, I'm not sad I finished any of the books
           | I wasn't that into.[1]
           | 
           | [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_Earth_(novel)
           | 
           | [1] N.B.: I'm referring to _fiction_ exclusively here.
        
       | petarb wrote:
       | As someone wanting to read lots of books and articles, this
       | really resonates with me. Not having to read everything but
       | picking and choosing a few here and there
        
       | HPsquared wrote:
       | My to-do list is not a big truck! It's not something you just
       | dump something on... It's a series of tubes!
        
         | pps wrote:
         | Interesting, could you tell us more? :)
        
       | sacnoradhq wrote:
       | I need sandbags because the bookshelf dam is bursting through the
       | overflow gates.
       | 
       | No, really, I have stopped buying books because I've ran out of
       | room.
       | 
       | I guess I'm going to have to sell and give away some to make room
       | for new ones. )':
        
       | Tempest1981 wrote:
       | For me, it's much more rewarding to find those "needles" and add
       | them to my reading list -- than to actually read them. I.e. the
       | dopamine hit of finding something new/interesting -- that's the
       | thrill.
       | 
       | I guess I'm ok with that -- it's hard to force myself to process
       | items from the river. Any tips on that?
        
       | petecooper wrote:
       | I'm mildly disgusted (and entirely unsurprised) with myself that
       | I just added this to a reading list for later.
        
         | imwillofficial wrote:
         | It's cool man, let it just float on by
        
           | petecooper wrote:
           | ...tell that to my 994 bookmarked 'read later' URLs. Very
           | much a case of best intentions but woeful discipline.
        
             | eimrine wrote:
             | How many of them has already rot? I've found that 70% of
             | ten-year-ago bookmarks of mine do not exist anymore,
             | especially if it was a weblog or a youtube video.
        
       | mxuribe wrote:
       | I enjoyed reading this, but was left with the same feeling that i
       | had at the end of the 1983 film WarGames, namely: "...the only
       | winning move is not to play..." I acknowledge this post is not
       | exactly saying that...but it still feels a little flattening to
       | arrive at that point. (With all apologies and respect to the
       | author, i'm referring to my feelings on the suggestions, that's
       | all.)
        
         | alwaysbeconsing wrote:
         | I agree with your summary but to me it seems like a useful
         | point of insight. Analogous to the saying "when you find
         | yourself in a hole that's getting deeper the first thing to do
         | is stop digging". Something that seems like common sense but is
         | hard to grasp when you're in the hole, unless someone
         | explicitly points it out.
         | 
         | One might also decide that this article is wrong, but it could
         | still be worth considering the point to reject it.
        
         | whateveruserk wrote:
         | the perspective i take is more like.. "the only winning move is
         | to play. not analyze how you play or hold yourself to how you
         | once planned to play."
         | 
         | here that would mean releasing things, and fully enjoying
         | whatever it is you are able to read/participate in. mainly not
         | grasping at everything
        
       | nasir wrote:
       | Just added this to my to read list!
        
       | jh00ker wrote:
       | Bookmarked this for later! The headline looks REALLY interesting!
        
       | switowski wrote:
       | Sounds useful, I will read it later!
        
       | martincmartin wrote:
       | Anyone have a tl;dr for this?
        
         | shoy wrote:
         | Don't sweat it, man. Stay loose.
        
         | nobody9999 wrote:
         | >Anyone have a tl;dr for this?
         | 
         | Just save the link for later reading[0].
         | 
         | [0] And who knows, you might even read it.
        
       | longnguyen wrote:
       | An interesting read! I sorta solved this with my little SaaS[0].
       | I send interesting articles and RSS feeds to my Kindle, and I
       | read some of them every evening before bed time.
       | 
       | Articles never stayed in a "bucket" but they flow every day.
       | 
       | Not worth reading, ignore it. And I can always find them later if
       | needed (hint: it will never be)
       | 
       | If you read a lot of online content, give it a try
       | 
       | [0]: https://ktool.io
        
         | heyoni wrote:
         | How is this different than kindles own browser extension? Is it
         | the conversion quality? What couldn't the extension do that
         | ktool does?
        
           | longnguyen wrote:
           | Yes to conversion quality. For example, the official
           | extension has a huge problem with detecting the cover. I
           | fixed it with KTool.
           | 
           | I also implemented custom parsers for many sites that use a
           | "modern" frontend framework (read: SPA)
           | 
           | And here is the main difference: ability to send RSS feeds
           | and newsletters to Kindle, combine them into only 1 ebook and
           | read at a specific time you set.
           | 
           | I think it's better to compare KTool to other alternatives
           | like p2k or instapaper. The official extension did an OK job
           | if you don't need any features above.
        
       | dimitrios1 wrote:
       | I ended up treating my bookcase full of all my unread books I
       | originally planned to work through like this. In this case my
       | bookcase is the bucket, and I carve a stream or a river out of
       | it. It's like a two step filtering process.
       | 
       | It just probably would have been cheaper for me to just bought
       | the ones I actually would read. But sometimes you can't escape
       | the fantasy of you being some higher intellectual who will one
       | day work through all of these books. I realize now that I
       | probably will never make it through that Modern Algebra text,
       | Operating Systems, or the complete collection of William
       | Shakespear by the Royal Shakespear company -- so I humor myself
       | while being realistic about the progress I can make.
        
       | Hadriel wrote:
       | tldr: "To return to information overload: this means treating
       | your "to read" pile like a river (a stream that flows past you,
       | and from which you pluck a few choice items, here and there)
       | instead of a bucket (which demands that you empty it). After all,
       | you presumably don't feel overwhelmed by all the unread books in
       | the British Library - and not because there aren't an
       | overwhelming number of them, but because it never occurred to you
       | that it might be your job to get through them all."
        
       | 4pkjai wrote:
       | You the reader, should treat this article like a river and read
       | only the second last paragraph.
        
         | baxtr wrote:
         | You the reader should only read the second last paragraph,
         | which I copied here for your convenience:
         | 
         |  _To return to information overload: this means treating your
         | "to read" pile like a river (a stream that flows past you, and
         | from which you pluck a few choice items, here and there)
         | instead of a bucket (which demands that you empty it). After
         | all, you presumably don't feel overwhelmed by all the unread
         | books in the British Library - and not because there aren't an
         | overwhelming number of them, but because it never occurred to
         | you that it might be your job to get through them all._
        
           | stcroixx wrote:
           | Eliminate the waste in your 'to read' pile by populating it
           | the same way he suggests selecting from it - pluck a few
           | choice items here and there from the river that is the
           | British Library.
        
             | [deleted]
        
           | dmix wrote:
           | I asked GPT4 to summarize the article's most important
           | information into bullet points, which I find more useful than
           | one paragraph summaries:
           | 
           | > 1) The initial belief that technology would help filter out
           | irrelevant information and prevent overload has not come to
           | fruition; instead, people are overwhelmed by content they
           | genuinely want to read.
           | 
           | > 2) The problem lies in the fact that our filters are too
           | successful, causing us to face a daily influx of interesting
           | content (referred to as "haystack-sized piles of needles").
           | 
           | > 3) Many aspects of life also involve "too many needles,"
           | where we struggle to allocate our limited time and attention
           | to numerous important tasks or interests.
           | 
           | > 4) Conventional productivity advice, which emphasizes
           | efficiency, organization, and prioritization, falls short in
           | addressing the challenge of having too many significant
           | priorities.
           | 
           | > 5) The proposed solution is to treat the to-read pile as a
           | river, selectively choosing items to engage with while
           | accepting the inherent impossibility of clearing the entire
           | backlog, thus leading to a more liberating and realistic
           | approach to information overload.
           | 
           | The downside of doing the above is it's more generic and
           | loses the punch of the prose. Always the main issue with
           | skipping the reading to get to the meat. Obviously easier for
           | non-fiction than fiction.
        
             | petersellers wrote:
             | I tried several times and it seemed to miss the point of
             | the article every time.
        
         | haswell wrote:
         | I understand what you're trying to do with this comment, but
         | arguably the river in this case is HN.
         | 
         | The paragraph you mention is the tangible advice, but
         | articulating the problem is in my mind even more important than
         | the advice itself.
         | 
         | Advice is just advice. Maybe it applies to you, maybe it
         | doesn't. The problem is what remains. The problem if well
         | articulated either validates the advice, or gives the reader
         | information to process for themselves and from which personal
         | insight can be reached.
         | 
         | The advice without the problem is just some guy on the Internet
         | telling you what to do, and that, to me, is rather
         | uninteresting.
        
           | uoaei wrote:
           | I think many people are struggling with the same issues
           | independently, all across society. This is equally true right
           | now as it is in other times.
           | 
           | Perhaps there are many who have identified the problem
           | without settling on a satisfying solution. In these cases the
           | context is already (painfully) familiar and the main insight
           | will be the path forward out of their malaise.
           | 
           | What you say is true for those who have never even grappled
           | with the question, but I assume HN harbors folks who like to
           | analyze inefficiencies in their lives, so I'd expect most of
           | those here who already have reading lists to have contended
           | with this problem and at least attempted to search for
           | solutions in the past.
        
         | StrangeATractor wrote:
         | They could have fit it all in the headline tbh but there'd be
         | nothing to click past that.
        
         | jagged-chisel wrote:
         | Not sure about the analogy, but definitely appreciate the
         | advice.
         | 
         | Edit: I get now. '...a stream that flows past you, and from
         | which you pluck a choice item...'
        
         | Quixotica1 wrote:
         | Thanks for the tip.
        
       | gspencley wrote:
       | > After all, you presumably don't feel overwhelmed by all the
       | unread books in the British Library
       | 
       | This article was clearly NOT written for me :(
        
       | candyman wrote:
       | To give him credit I have to cite Dave Weiner who for me created
       | the concept of of online information being a "river" which means
       | you can watch it go by and not feel guilty about it. You pick out
       | what you find interesting or important and let the rest go. I've
       | never thought of "zero inbox" as something worth striving for.
       | Just let it go...
        
       | criddell wrote:
       | I think the new AI tools are going to help me a great deal. There
       | are books that I know I'm not going to read but I'd still like
       | the Cliffs Notes distillation. I think an AI that understands my
       | areas of interest could create personalized summaries of those
       | books.
       | 
       | I'm also looking forward to seeing if the new AIs work as better
       | recommendation engines. Again, once the AI gets to know me, I'd
       | love to be able to ask "I want to learn how to sew a messenger-
       | type bag. Where do I start?" Hopefully I'd get back a list of
       | books, videos, and local craftspeople. (And I actually do want to
       | learn that...)
        
         | luismmolina wrote:
         | Already possible, this is my workflow:
         | 
         | Submit you favorite books to ChatGPT, ask for 10 keywords that
         | describe the book.
         | 
         | Then ask for the keywords that repeat more than once and put
         | those keywords into TheStoryGraph.
         | 
         | With this workflow you avoid "hallucinated" books. And thanks
         | to this the worst suggestions are 4/5 stars.
        
         | andsoitis wrote:
         | Have you tried https://www.blinkist.com/en
        
           | jwr wrote:
           | I did and haven't found it that useful after all. Turns out
           | that after you subscribe, it's hard to find the motivation to
           | get through many of those condensed versions.
        
           | criddell wrote:
           | No. Have you? Would you recommend it?
           | 
           | I can't help but think their time is running out. AIs are
           | going to be able to produce the book summary and maybe even
           | generate the audio version of that too.
        
             | andsoitis wrote:
             | I have not, because I actually prefer to read the full
             | book, even if my Tsundoku keeps growing. Another way that I
             | look at it is that even if I compressed my unread books
             | into summaries, I would then just get more and more
             | summaries, ending up with the same problem.
             | 
             | I recommended it to you because it sounds like you really
             | want to read the books you have or are accumulating, so you
             | might find it valuable, even if I don't.
        
               | criddell wrote:
               | I prefer to read the full book as well, I just know that
               | there are certain books for which that will never happen.
               | For example, I would love to have already read one of
               | those 4" thick biographies of Winston Churchill but I
               | have almost no desire to start reading one of them.
        
           | edude03 wrote:
           | I tried blinkist, I liked it in theory but I realized that I
           | only listened to the summaries while busy with other things
           | so I wasn't really absorbing the information.
        
       | lumb63 wrote:
       | That was an awful lot of words to say "read what you can".
       | 
       | I used to worry about adding items to my "want to read" list
       | faster than I could read them. I realized that this is preferable
       | to the opposite - having nothing to read. As long as I'm alive
       | and want to read, I'll be reading something. Having read all the
       | books I want to is not my objective; enjoying reading books is.
       | So, no need to worry about not having enough time to read all I
       | want to.
       | 
       | I now treat my list as a pre-filtered pool of books that span
       | various topics. There is no prioritization associated with them.
       | I find it best to read next whichever book seems most relevant to
       | my interests at the time, which I can't anticipate in advance.
       | 
       | The other day my girlfriend sent me an article about microscopic
       | gears in the legs of an insect and so I decided to read a book
       | off my list about intelligent design. My prior read was about
       | cardiovascular disease because I read an article about
       | cholesterol on the internet. The one prior to that was about
       | gender disparities, simply because I felt like it fit my frame of
       | mind at the time.
       | 
       | There is no need to make the matter complicated: read what you
       | want to read, when you want to read it.
        
         | gopalv wrote:
         | > an awful lot of words to say "read what you can".
         | 
         | But it needs to be said and repeated, right?
         | 
         | Because people feel time-poor when it comes to matching what
         | they want to do against what they can do. Building up a backlog
         | is probably the worst way to kill the fun there.
         | 
         | And if everyone in that scenario feels like they are somewhat
         | alone in that feeling where the "Books I wish I had time to
         | read" turns into a prioritization exercise where you end up
         | reading the "most important book" while thinking of a book you
         | aren't.
         | 
         | You and the OP are saying the same thing, but it is worth
         | repeating.
         | 
         | The longer you've been out of a structured learning environment
         | like a school/college the more sense that makes because that is
         | a constrained environment where optimization actually helps &
         | the fun reading part isn't.
         | 
         | As for me, my library holds list is a good way to have a "river
         | of books" where I can dip out of it and let it pass through my
         | bookshelf on a schedule whether I read it or not.
        
         | FalconSensei wrote:
         | > That was an awful lot of words to say "read what you can".
         | 
         | And yet you added even more with your comment :)
        
         | Zetice wrote:
         | Yeah, seems like the real problem is the desire to clear the
         | backlog. You can have a bucket, just don't expect it to ever
         | empty.
        
       | bluGill wrote:
       | My todo list is the same way. I expect to finish everything
       | currently one it somewhere around my 3000th birthday. I just
       | prioritize what needs to be done now, and then what I can do know
       | that feels interesting at the moment. The rest I'll do latter
       | 
       | Note that there is nothing on the list about expanding human
       | lifespan. There are some things that get priority around exercise
       | and eating good food, but that is as close as it gets.
        
         | toss1 wrote:
         | Yup. Discovered this in hard data after I built by first
         | ToDo/Task Managemtn application, then populated with current
         | projects. I soon discovered that I had 768 hours of Critical
         | and High importance items that needed to be completed in the
         | next two weeks. For reference, there are only 168hrs*2=336
         | hours in a fortnight.
         | 
         | Not. Going. To. Happen.
         | 
         | So, that list gets post-filtered in real time ...
         | 
         | Seems to be the plague of the ambitious and/or conscientious --
         | We should be happy that our reach exceeds our grasp
        
       | greenspam wrote:
       | Nice article. I just put it to my to-read list.
        
       | throw0101b wrote:
       | My local library has a limit of having 100 books on hold (which I
       | hit during 2020 lockdowns when there were closed for a while). My
       | current hold list is ~60, and the system allows you to put
       | 'pause' a hold until a certain day so that they don't all arrive
       | at once: so I have holds going out to July.
       | 
       | By the system also has a "saved" books feature where it allows
       | you to simply bookmark stuff of interest (and categorize/tag
       | them) but not ask the library to deliver them. My saved list is
       | ~1200. I don't expect to actually get to them, but I have options
       | for my next item.
       | 
       | (I long ago gave up buying books (except in very rare cases) just
       | because I don't have space.)
        
       | khalilravanna wrote:
       | I had this problem but with videogames. What I ended up doing was
       | making a giant spreadsheet in Airtable with every game I've ever
       | played and ever want to play. I have a nice little "What To Play
       | Next" grid of images that I'm constantly tinkering with the order
       | of as my fancy gravitates towards one genre or another. E.g. If I
       | finish a long JRPG I'll probably filter on games of a shorter
       | length or a Shooter for a palette cleanse and move that higher up
       | in the list.
       | 
       | The important parts for me were:
       | 
       | * Don't assume you'll play everything or stress about "missing"
       | games
       | 
       | * Easy visibility into what I'm currently playing, what I liked
       | in the past, and what I've been thinking about playing next
       | 
       | * Try not to play more than 2 games concurrently. Then I end up
       | never finishing anything, I appreciate the games I play less, and
       | then I have less fun playing games overall.
       | 
       | Bonus points with this approach: Since I _always_ have something
       | I 'm excited to play next, I'm never in a rush to buy games new.
       | I actually save a fair amount of money because I'm almost always
       | playing games a couple years old and on sale for 50%+ off.
       | 
       | This approach has been so successful and enjoyable for me I even
       | thought about spinning this off into a product online but figured
       | my weird OCD approach maybe isn't that generally applicable to
       | other. Plus you can just create your own Airtable tailored to
       | your own needs.
       | 
       | EDIT
       | 
       | If anyone wants to make their own list and wants some data to
       | start, here's ~1000 games to start with my data with some of the
       | more personal columns pruned out:
       | https://www.dropbox.com/s/guc3tjefoyeyfvr/Games-Library-2023...
       | 
       | Most of the columns are self-explanatory. IGDB = is a games
       | database run by Twitch (https://www.igdb.com/). I use the ID as
       | basically a foreign key to their table and then I have scripts
       | that query stuff in there like their critic's rating and release
       | date programmatically.
       | 
       | Also if anyone knows of any other public data sets of video games
       | and video game metadata please let me know!
        
         | ptato wrote:
         | I've thought about setting up something like this before for
         | myself. You might have given me the motivation I needed...
        
         | amerkhalid wrote:
         | I've got the same issue, particularly with PlayStation Plus,
         | where there are countless games available at minimal cost.
         | 
         | My previous strategy was to begin a game, that would be my main
         | game, while sampling others on the side. If one of the side
         | games caught my interest more, it would take the main game's
         | place, and I might return to the original game later.
         | 
         | This approach was low-pressure, but it often took me years to
         | complete many games.
         | 
         | I used to handle my side projects similarly, starting numerous
         | projects but rarely bringing them to completion. Lately, I've
         | been making an effort to stick with a side project long enough
         | to at least show it to friends.
         | 
         | Now, I'm pushing myself to stay committed to two games at a
         | time. One game is from top of my list that I really want to
         | play. The other is a shorter one. This way I can enjoy that
         | satisfying feeling of accomplishment more frequently.
         | 
         | I'd never considered making a spreadsheet for this, but now I'm
         | intrigued by the idea!
        
           | ajmurmann wrote:
           | > I used to handle my side projects similarly, starting
           | numerous projects but rarely bringing them to completion.
           | Lately, I've been making an effort to stick with a side
           | project long enough to at least show it to friends.
           | 
           | I've been following the same approach, but also noticed that
           | it's less effective at utilizing my excitement. Every project
           | hits the point where sooner tedious work must be done and
           | I've found myself sometimes stay away from it for a few weeks
           | and not pick up something I'm excited about because I should
           | really work on the tedious thing, so I work on neither.
        
         | seaners wrote:
         | I would like your wisdom (and Oliver's) but unfortunately I
         | have added both to a Notion webclipper that I will not see for
         | 2-3 years.
        
         | doubled112 wrote:
         | I also try not to play more than a handful of games at a time.
         | The paradox of choice is real.
         | 
         | I tend to play older games, and games I can pick up and play
         | for five minutes at a time. Think Game Boy. A level here and a
         | level there can feel like you've achieved way more than some
         | longer, more grindy games.
         | 
         | I keep a couple of lists of games.
         | 
         | A massive "sounds interesting" list of games that I hear about
         | along the way. I may never play some of them, but it sounded
         | good at the time. Title and system is about all I put here. If
         | I come back and don't remember what it was, it probably wasn't
         | as interesting as I thought.
         | 
         | The other is list with WIP, started, and finished games.
         | 
         | If something slides into the started pile and I forget where I
         | was, I just remove it. Life is too short to worry about things
         | that are supposed to be fun.
        
           | Arrath wrote:
           | > I also try not to play more than a handful of games at a
           | time. The paradox of choice is real.
           | 
           | In general I'm like this, but I also have games that are
           | exclusions to the rule that I pop back around to from time to
           | time, like the save I have in Factorio that I come back to
           | and tinker with now and then (I keep a text file around with
           | my general to-do list so I don't spend an hour running around
           | the base trying to remember what the hell I was doing, while
           | marveling at various bits of kludged together spaghetti)
           | 
           | As for books, I'm generally working through at least 3 at a
           | time: One on audible, for commutes, one on my kindle, and one
           | in print. I try to keep the kindle/print books varied so I
           | switch between whichever strikes my fancy at the moment.
        
             | khalilravanna wrote:
             | Yeah I compartmentalize exceptions like these as well. Like
             | I don't count "ongoing coop games with friends" or "long
             | term games" (like your Factorio save, or something like
             | League of Legends) towards my broader "What I'm currently
             | playing" count.
        
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         | hyperthesis wrote:
         | A strength of a product, particularly where emotion and
         | motivation are concerned, is guidance and encouragement -
         | making it easy to do. Even if you "could" do it without help.
         | 
         | Most people aren't autodidacts... even elite atheletes have
         | coaches.
        
         | hyperific wrote:
         | It hasn't been updated in a while but I have used this games
         | list before. (https://github.com/Elbriga14/EveryVideoGameEver)
         | IGDB sounds incredible though, thanks for sharing. I'm curious
         | if you use How Long to Beat to get the completion time. I've
         | used completion time to produce some helpful metrics.
        
         | cjsawyer wrote:
         | I made a drastic improvement in my mindset with regards to
         | media backlogs when I realized that they they exist to
         | entertain me and that my whims are the only thing that matters.
         | I don't owe that pile of books anything. Now they're not
         | allowed to generate stress, only entertainment!
        
           | pongo1231 wrote:
           | I think people feel forced to get the value they put in back
           | out of every single one of them asap as to not feel like they
           | wasted their money which is what is causing that stress to
           | begin with, even though there really isn't any reason for
           | that urge if you look at it. The backlog is going to be there
           | practically forever, just waiting - granted it's not tied to
           | a service which might shut down at any moment.
        
             | satvikpendem wrote:
             | That's why libraries (or, shall we say, digital libraries)
             | are great, I don't have to worry about running out of media
             | or feel like I need to get value from them.
        
       | vuciv1 wrote:
       | One way I've been managing this is by reading summaries of
       | certain books. While it can be difficult to decide which books
       | deserve a full read, this approach has significantly reduced the
       | stress I feel about my ever-growing "to-read" pile. By focusing
       | on the most important ideas and insights, I can still learn and
       | grow without feeling the pressure to read every single book on my
       | list.
        
         | arbitrage wrote:
         | > reading summaries of certain books
         | 
         | Careful with this. You have to trust that the summary is
         | correct. Which, as it turns out, isn't as foolproof as one
         | might hope for.
         | 
         | It turns out that a sizeable percentage of human reviewers and
         | condensers of information just make stuff up. And if you're
         | just consuming the summary of a work, how would you know?
        
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       | CrypticShift wrote:
       | I think LLMs could definitely help us stop treating large piles
       | as "lists" (to be completed). You can just "dialogue" with it
       | through Chat. And if the AI has access to your recent activities
       | or notes, it can even give you relevant choices. Or you can
       | "navigate" through it in an interactive 2D/3D map that clusters
       | the article/books by (semantic) similarity.
       | 
       | So dialogue and navigation take the place of checking a list.
        
         | mlyle wrote:
         | Though... It just deepens the problems of curation of all the
         | content everyone consumes through relatively opaque and
         | unpredictable means.
        
           | CrypticShift wrote:
           | Yes, more opaque and unpredictable for sure, but I don't
           | think it deepens the problems of curation. I believe it is
           | solution. : you trade predictability/transparency for smarter
           | /non-linear curation. You can always choose.
        
             | mlyle wrote:
             | I just worry about the biases in models becoming our
             | biases, and self-perpetuating.
        
       | avg_dev wrote:
       | Never heard of this person before but was pleasantly surprised by
       | the content.
       | 
       | In my own life, I have spent decades plagued by the feeling that
       | I wasn't doing enough, and I had many varied areas of focus and
       | felt like I didn't really progress on anything. That in itself
       | (the feeling of lack of progress) was I think kind of misleading,
       | as I did progress on some things (though I clearly regressed on
       | some things as well).
       | 
       | I don't really know how it happened but I have made some
       | significant shifts in my life. I started to become physically
       | active again, I stopped smoking cigarettes and some other
       | unhealthy habits, I started really developing and digging into
       | some of my active and creative passions like writing, playing a
       | musical instrument, and renewing my focus on coding to an end and
       | with purpose and quality in mind.
       | 
       | Somehow I started finding that I had much more energy and time
       | available for everything. And as opportunities arose I began to
       | seize them. It was a very exciting period for me. Eventually, my
       | plate really became too full, and things began to suffer (mostly
       | me) and I started to say no to things, and continue to keep my
       | focus on what I really think is important. I feel that it has
       | taught me about the interconnected nature of my life, and about
       | how to value my time, how to slow down and appreciate something,
       | how to deal with my emotions head on instead of taking years or
       | decades to process events in my life (I am sure there have and
       | will be many exceptions to what I have said), how to actively
       | take stock of my current situation and change my plans as needed,
       | how to deal with the fact that my expectations for things very
       | rarely match up with reality, how to stop being an intellectual
       | purist and idealist while still deeply valuing a good idea and
       | pursuing my ideals. I look back at how much I have accomplished
       | the last year and I can't help thinking everything came from
       | stopping trying to do everything and accomplishing nothing (or so
       | it felt), and by embracing what really mattered to me when it was
       | in front of me. I learned to float down the river, I guess.
       | Lazily most of the time. But when I feel it is necessary, I can
       | exert more power in changing my trajectory than ever I could
       | before.
        
         | nell wrote:
         | His books are enjoyable, I'd recommend his most recent one
         | "Four thousand weeks" and the previous one "The Antidote" as
         | well. Especially if you're overwhelmed or gets hit with anxiety
         | often.
        
           | Nezteb wrote:
           | I came here to say this. The Antidote was the last "self-
           | help" book I needed, personally.
        
       | shever73 wrote:
       | I agree with the concept, but I tend to view my to-read pile more
       | like a sushi conveyor than a river. Assuming I'm still interested
       | later in what I have to read, then it can come round again.
        
       | synergy20 wrote:
       | I have too many good books queued for never-reading-before-i-die,
       | but it makes me feel good, and feel phony knowledgeable.
        
         | pps wrote:
         | There is this concept of antilibrary
         | https://nesslabs.com/antilibrary
        
       | sakisv wrote:
       | The lede is buried near the end:
       | 
       | > To return to information overload: this means treating your "to
       | read" pile like a river (a stream that flows past you, and from
       | which you pluck a few choice items, here and there) instead of a
       | bucket (which demands that you empty it). After all, you
       | presumably don't feel overwhelmed by all the unread books in the
       | British Library - and not because there aren't an overwhelming
       | number of them, but because it never occurred to you that it
       | might be your job to get through them all.
       | 
       | I find the analogy with the British library spot on, and very
       | liberating.
        
       | t344344 wrote:
       | I found most books are just garbage. Take Moby-Dick for example,
       | interesting story that could be compressed to two pages, but it
       | is 400 pages of boring stuff, that goes on and on. And it can not
       | be criticized as it is "fundamental corner stone of American
       | literature"!
       | 
       | Watching documentary about original story, and a few pieces about
       | 19 century whale hunting, is much better use of time!
        
       | bueno wrote:
       | I'm the developer of an iOS and iPadOS app that I think is
       | relevant here. My app Ephemera is a simple read-later application
       | that places expiration dates on every link you add. If you don't
       | read the article in time, it disappears forever.
       | 
       | The app isn't for everyone, but if you are buried under the
       | torrent of information you "think" you should read, I have found
       | that Ephemera helps me focus and actually read more.
       | 
       | You can find the app here: https://deadpan.io/ephemera/
       | 
       | I'd love for Hacker News to check it out!
        
         | FireInsight wrote:
         | Something I stored disappearing feels like a stressful concept
         | to me, but maybe it works for some.
        
           | eitland wrote:
           | Clearly. Some people enjoy Snapchat even if I find it to be
           | about as useful - and a lot less entertaining - as Twitter.
        
             | brewdad wrote:
             | As you probably guessed, Snapchat doesn't really get
             | deleted. I sat as a juror on a case where some of the most
             | damning evidence was a Snapchat the police obtained from
             | the company following an armed robbery and car theft. Some
             | people are really poor at planning and covering their
             | tracks.
        
         | derekisnt wrote:
         | Looks sick Tim, great idea and great execution!
        
         | password1 wrote:
         | Is there a way to have unread items go in an archive instead of
         | disappearing? Sometimes I find insightful to re-look at the
         | titles of things I've saved, even if I don't read them. It
         | brings me back the why I saved it and it always unlocks some
         | thought.
        
         | saiya-jin wrote:
         | I'd love something similar with more general aspect, just TODO
         | list with different priorities, expiration etc. Whether the
         | content is URL, name of the book or grocery list are just
         | implementation details.
        
         | faeyanpiraat wrote:
         | I actually solved this without an app. I realized I had around
         | 10k "read later" items in my bookmarks folder in Chrome, and I
         | simply deleted all of them.
        
           | jacobr1 wrote:
           | I do this semi-periodically now. At the end of the week I
           | close all tabs, I archive everything in my inbox, mark all
           | items in my slack as read ...
        
           | eganist wrote:
           | In fairness, I think the allure of an app is to act as a
           | forcing function for actually reading the content before it
           | disappears.
        
           | JenrHywy wrote:
           | I solved this by forcing myself to read my list in
           | chronological order. After a small period it became very
           | obvious that most stuff I'd put in my list truly did not
           | matter.
        
           | rcme wrote:
           | Yes. Most information is truly worthless.
        
             | hombre_fatal wrote:
             | I think it's more that you always have a bunch of other
             | things competing for your attention on the internet so
             | there's no incentive to read things you once wanted to
             | read.
             | 
             | Even an article you just opened in a tab competes with
             | scavenging for more info on HN/Reddit/Twitter. I don't
             | think that's evidence that the articles are just worthless.
             | 
             | Once, when the internet was out for a few days, I realized
             | that iOS saves your reading list items for offline reading
             | and I was glad to have it. All sorts of interesting
             | articles that I curated. I now work through the reading
             | queue on flights.
        
             | artursapek wrote:
             | This is the kind of black pill I come to Hacker News for
        
             | fruit2020 wrote:
             | Not worthless, but too much. Life is short, you need focus
        
             | samstave wrote:
             | https://i.imgur.com/NCOBsKv.png
        
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         | imwillofficial wrote:
         | This is a super dope idea! Installing now
        
         | nighthawk454 wrote:
         | Awesome! I do this with my YouTube Watch Later playlist and it
         | really works. I'll get a couple hundred videos I "definitely
         | want to watch, but not now" and my script will clear them out
         | after X time. Never once have I missed something it's deleted.
         | I don't even know _what_ it's deleted, because if it stood out
         | enough to remember the name and search it up again I'll
         | probably just watch it. Very few things do.
        
           | nighthawk454 wrote:
           | Got the app, couple notes so far:
           | 
           | * Somehow, App Store SEO can't find it with "ephemera".
           | "ephemera deadpan" found it though
           | 
           | * For me, personally, bookmarking is usually done on the
           | computer and read elsewhere. Phone-only is restrictive
           | 
           | * Not a fan of paid unlock for basic features (setting
           | expiration dates, accessing my own history (?!?)). I almost
           | understand notifications if server costs are involved, like
           | Apollo, but. While I understand devs gotta make a buck and
           | this is both popular and well within your rights, I am not a
           | fan of this trend
        
           | hodgesd wrote:
           | Do you mind sharing your Watch Later script?
        
             | nighthawk454 wrote:
             | Sure! It's utter garbage but you're welcome to it. I keep
             | it in a notes file and paste it into the console to run it.
             | 
             | It sorts by `Date Added (newest)` and truncates the list to
             | the 150 most recent videos. It also removes anything I've
             | watched more than ~80% of. (Because the built-in button
             | removes videos if you've watched _any_ percent, incl long
             | ones you haven't finished yet)
             | 
             | Script here: https://pastebin.com/Sfh6a0w1
        
         | crashmat wrote:
         | sounds cool, but I'd much rather be able to set it to, say, 3
         | months rather than a max of 30 days.
        
           | bueno wrote:
           | Understandable! I haven't got tons of feedback thus far. I'll
           | definitely consider bumping these values up.
        
         | 1123581321 wrote:
         | Nice idea. I use Readwise in the river/shortlist mode and have
         | a similar filter (not in shortlist, saved > x days ago), but I
         | have to manually clear it out.
        
         | screamingninja wrote:
         | Love the idea. I use Signal's Note to Self feature with a 4
         | week timer. Anything that warrants an extension gets readded to
         | the queue. A dedicated app with a custom expiration / reminders
         | / notifications / cross-device syncing would be phenomenal!
        
         | Bootvis wrote:
         | This is pretty cool idea! I like the simplicity of the app.
        
         | sva_ wrote:
         | Interesting. Bookmarked, might look at it later.
        
       | par wrote:
       | I had read some books on kindle here and there over the years,but
       | recently switched over to full time on the kindle. And I must
       | say, there is a distinct pleasure in carrying multiple books with
       | me, and switching between them at will. I have been trying to
       | replace bouncing around apps on my phone with bouncing around
       | books on my kindle and it's been very enjoyable. Reduces pressure
       | to finish any single book, and a lot more freedom to bounce
       | around!
        
       | karaterobot wrote:
       | I have an English Lit degree, and the following advice from a
       | professor almost made it worthwhile: "if you're reading for
       | pleasure, and it's not pleasurable, put the book down. Give the
       | author 50 pages, and if they haven't made it worth your time,
       | move on to the next book."
       | 
       | I share this advice with everybody, but almost nobody takes it as
       | far as I know. There's way too much guilt and shame surrounding
       | reading: "if I pick it up, _by GOD I will finish it, even if it
       | takes a year and I hate every second of it_ ". It shouldn't be
       | that way.
        
         | Waterluvian wrote:
         | I did this with Snow Crash.
         | 
         | I'm not a literature expert and I know people generally like
         | the book. But I got maybe half way through the book and was
         | wondering, "okay so when is the plot going to advance? Is there
         | even a plot? Just feels like stuff is happening but I'm not
         | sure why I should care."
         | 
         | I spent too long thinking that it must be a good book so maybe
         | I just have to give it a few more chapters.
        
         | m463 wrote:
         | Took me into middle age to do this.
         | 
         | Now I don't feel guilty about:
         | 
         | - books I don't finish
         | 
         | - movies or tv series I don't finish
         | 
         | - projects I don't make into a company
         | 
         | and it doesn't matter if I bought into it hard. If I bought the
         | "tv series complete collection", or whatever:
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost#Fallacy_effect
        
         | vlunkr wrote:
         | I wonder where this guilt comes from. It seems highly
         | illogical, yet very common. I've had to learn to ignore it with
         | books and video games.
        
           | XCSme wrote:
           | For me, it's somewhat about thinking "I am not good at
           | finishing things". I want to be someone who "gets things
           | done", when I should actually strive to be someone who
           | "quickly lets go of what is not worth spending time on".
        
         | candyman wrote:
         | It's good advice for multiple reasons. I put books down using
         | this rule for many years. Sometimes I pick it up again and
         | absolutely love it but I'm at a different point in my life and
         | intellectual interests. It's kind of like mushrooms - when I
         | was a kid I hated them, now I want them on everything.
        
         | sacnoradhq wrote:
         | Absolutely. "I must finish everything on my plate" mentality is
         | unnecessary masochism. I recall plowing through ~2/3 of "Guns,
         | Germs, and Steel" and then losing interest. I picked up "In the
         | Realm of Hungry Ghosts" today to be my new bathroom reader.
        
         | randomluck040 wrote:
         | Sunk cost fallacy is playing its part as well I think. I can't
         | bring myself to read anything I don't like anymore. I'm a slow
         | reader so working through a book takes its time and I want to
         | get the best possible experience out of it. Won't happen if I
         | don't like the book. It's not only valid for books but
         | everything else: series, movies, video games. If it doesn't
         | work, why push it?
        
           | Moissanite wrote:
           | Some of it also comes from prior impressions that a book is
           | "worth reading". Take Wealth of Nations as an example. It
           | inspired, arguably, the whole field of economics - and yet
           | after a hundred or so pages of reading about the worth of the
           | labour of a man in Glasgow as compared to the labour of a man
           | in London, I just wanted someone to end my misery.
           | 
           | Alas, I'm afflicted by the "must finish" disease, so I paused
           | reading and keep telling myself I'll get back to it.
        
         | JenrHywy wrote:
         | In general this is good advice, but needs a heuristic of when
         | to apply it. It's a bit like albums: some are hard to get into
         | but worth the effort in the end.
         | 
         | So while there are plenty of books I won't finish, I tend to
         | stick with things if:
         | 
         | a) I've worked my way through a previous book by the author and
         | it was worthwhile b) People whose opinions I trust say it's
         | hard but worthwhile
        
         | joatmon-snoo wrote:
         | I made it through eight books of Wheel of Time before I finally
         | stopped reading the series.
         | 
         | ... I don't know how I made it to #8.
        
         | allenu wrote:
         | This is good advice. Similarly, if you're reading a book for
         | the information, and you find it's way too wordy, there's no
         | shame in just skimming it.
         | 
         | I used to feel like it was my duty to read every word written
         | by an author if I was serious about reading, even for self-help
         | or pop-psych books. Over time, I realized that there's really a
         | lot of bad writing out there, but there's still good nuggets of
         | info if you look. The trick is to just recognize when a book is
         | just padding itself out and just skim through the boring bits.
         | No shame in that. And honestly, so many self-help or
         | productivity books are just padded out to justify selling a
         | book.
        
         | codetrotter wrote:
         | I tried to read Infinite Jest, and it just pissed me off. It
         | was such an annoying text to try and read. I think I read at
         | most 10 pages.
         | 
         | Likewise, I have "rage quit" reading other books in the past as
         | well.
         | 
         | It's solid advice. Don't waste time reading something you are
         | not enjoying. Same goes for movies.
        
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       | a_c wrote:
       | So is your product backlog. Most of them doesn't matter. Throw
       | them away and rethink what matter most at the very moment.
       | 
       | It is hard to do if you are continuously "sprinting". Or it
       | doesn't matter if you outsourced the thinking of "what matters"
       | to someone else.
        
       | jyscao wrote:
       | I think most people end up doing what he's suggesting anyway, out
       | of necessity. I suppose his key insight is to just stop feeling
       | guilty about not being able to get through it all.
        
       | npunt wrote:
       | I organize my Obsidian around this concept, separating out
       | different streams for different domains of content I'm interested
       | in. Social, AI, Antilibrary, Wisdom, generic Inbox, and my own
       | Passing Thoughts and Story Prompts.
       | 
       | I treat each of these streams as an input to growing my
       | understanding & thinking in these domains, much like a stream of
       | water nourishes plants around it. It's a big unlock to do things
       | this way, because it treats inputs as opportunities not tasks.
       | Different streams flow at different rates based on where my
       | initial interests lie and based on interesting things happening
       | in the world.
       | 
       | Sort of biomimicry in action in the intellectual realm
        
         | lawrenceyan wrote:
         | I've been using Google Keep mostly, but tried Obsidian for a
         | bit. Is it worth the transition?
        
       | labrador wrote:
       | Something that helped me was to develop my "discernment" of
       | "quality" so I could quickly reject material that appeared
       | interesting but actually was of little use to me. This is going
       | to be different for each person, but I think it's worth putting
       | some thought into because I had previously assumed I had
       | developed a natural talent for it when actually I was consuming
       | content out of habit.
        
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