[HN Gopher] CDC team studying East Palestine train derailment fe...
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       CDC team studying East Palestine train derailment fell ill during
       investigation
        
       Author : hammock
       Score  : 111 points
       Date   : 2023-03-31 20:50 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.cbsnews.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.cbsnews.com)
        
       | jollyllama wrote:
       | Wow, why do bad things happen to all the investigators sent to
       | look into mishaps in Ohio?
       | 
       | https://katv.com/news/local/authorities-responding-to-plane-...
        
       | draw_down wrote:
       | Probably just a coincidence
        
       | aaron695 wrote:
       | [dead]
        
       | asynchronous wrote:
       | Hmm. How about that. Might be a bigger deal then originally
       | thought.
        
         | 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
         | Or the investigators need to go closer to the disaster than the
         | public?
        
           | qbasic_forever wrote:
           | The article says the people that got sick were only going
           | door to door to interview people in the town...
        
           | munk-a wrote:
           | If you clear folks to return to their homes they'll be
           | passing by that site every days.
           | 
           | Yes - most folks probably aren't going to shove their noses
           | in the train wreck but the people with the weakest resistance
           | to poisons (kids) absolutely will be all over the site. If
           | adults are getting significant side effects then children
           | will likely have very severe reactions.
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | hristov wrote:
       | "Because the investigators' symptoms improved soon after they
       | left the area, the incident was not reported to the public" ....
       | This is a rather Orwellian statement. Don't worry everyone, the
       | CDC workers symptoms improved as soon as they got the hell out of
       | East Palestine, therefore East Palestine must be completely
       | healthy.
        
         | dmix wrote:
         | People were evacuated for a reason?
        
           | darth_avocado wrote:
           | And cleared to return? These people got sick doing door to
           | door surveys, meaning people were back at home.
           | 
           | This is ridiculous. Even with the above, they are "unsure" if
           | it was related to anything else like "fatigue". Like come on.
        
       | mc32 wrote:
       | That whole disaster was terribly handled. From The sec of
       | transportation dragging his feel by weeks, to the president being
       | dismissive and the train company saying no big deal... go back
       | home, it's safe!
       | 
       | I hope Erin can help to bring the attention and justice this
       | disaster deserves.
       | 
       | At least GWB, though a contemptible fellow otherwise, took his
       | frat attitude up in a chopper to survey Katrina.
        
         | anonymouskimmer wrote:
         | What's the last solely environmental catastrophe a president
         | has visited?
         | 
         | People died in Katrina. There were no immediate deaths from
         | this environmental catastrophe.
        
           | serf wrote:
           | How was Katrina _not_ an environmental catastrophe -- the
           | casual definition that I find repeatedly is  "An
           | environmental disaster or ecological disaster is defined as a
           | catastrophic event regarding the natural environment that is
           | due to human activity."
           | 
           | Given that criteria, Katrina was most definitely an
           | environmental catastrophe.
           | 
           | Now, if you mean "When was the last time a president visited
           | a catastrophe that involved chemical/biological/radiological
           | factors?" -- well, that's a bit more rare; but I presume that
           | it's done not as a matter of appearing placid by the society
           | at large, but as a form of damage mitigation before all the
           | facts are presumed known.
           | 
           | it's essentially a rite of passage for the president to hug
           | people in some tornado ravaged state for photos. I presume
           | the risks outweigh the positive P.R. in _actual_ danger
           | zones.
           | 
           | tl;dr : it's easier to declare a hurricane or flood site to
           | be safe enough for presidential passage, so it represents a
           | fairly easy to coordinate photo-op. Things are shakier when
           | the facts about the danger present are not done rolling in.
        
             | anonymouskimmer wrote:
             | You read what I wrote too fast and missed, or
             | misunderstood, at least one word ("solely").
        
         | drewda wrote:
         | USDOT does have an important role to play. But the link (which
         | I admittedly didn't follow) has a headline about the CDC. EPA
         | is also an important agency, maybe the most important one for
         | this clean-up. All that to say I'm somewhat skeptical when
         | criticism focuses on Pete Buttigieg in particular...
        
           | mc32 wrote:
           | I dunno, he's the face of the Feds. He sets the tone --this
           | is his purview. He needed to go over there, check it out,
           | figure out the magnitude on the ground and call in the
           | cavalry (EPA, FEMA, etc.) as he saw necessary. But no, it
           | took him two weeks to show his face.
        
             | anonymouskimmer wrote:
             | I wish we, as people, would pay less attention to
             | figureheads and more attention to what's happening behind
             | the curtain. I also wish said figureheads, and the media
             | that comment on them, would report more of what does,
             | doesn't, and should goes on behind the curtain.
        
               | willcipriano wrote:
               | The media is the curtain.
        
               | anonymouskimmer wrote:
               | No. They're the munchkins.
        
           | munk-a wrote:
           | I think it's honestly quite fair. He was a presidential
           | candidate and looks likely to run again in the next election
           | - as a consolation prize he was appointed to the department
           | that handles these things and absolutely failed to step up
           | when a disaster directly in his domain happened.
           | 
           | I think it's fair that he's held to a higher standard than
           | Ellen Chao who was pretty much just a nepotism appointment
           | and, as far as I've seen at least, has no real desire to get
           | into serious election competitions.
        
             | Spooky23 wrote:
             | Lol.
             | 
             | So we're supposed to show deference to an appointee whose a
             | member of a family controlling a Chinese maritime shipping
             | company who happens to be the wife of the Senate Majority
             | leader, because she's just a patronage appointee?
             | 
             | So many regulatory changes were made during the Trump
             | administration that directly benefited shipping interests.
             | Chao isn't some Washington DC housewife!
        
         | noah_buddy wrote:
         | This is a rose tinted look at how GWB handled Katrina. He so
         | bungled the response that people's opinions of him dropped
         | precipitously afterwards. The excuse for why he didn't act
         | sooner was that he was on a month long vacation. He was
         | disconnected and praised FEMA which was universally considered
         | to have bungled the recovery.
         | 
         | I mean, knowing nothing else, one of the most memorable pieces
         | of pop culture in the last twenty years was "George Bush
         | doesn't care about black people"
        
         | qbasic_forever wrote:
         | Also transportation sec Buttigieg just casually saying not to
         | worry we have over 1,000 train derailments a year:
         | https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11760173/There-roug...
         | 
         | Over 1,000 derailments! Maybe we should work on getting those
         | down before patting ourselves on the back for job well done.
        
           | dboreham wrote:
           | Never mind derailments: trains can be a serious source of
           | pollution when just being trains, because: money, of course.
           | 
           | We have coal trains rumbling through town every day. They
           | have nothing covering the coal. It's often windy. Result: the
           | entire town is blanketed in a pall of black dust. It gets
           | everywhere. Comes around the windows, even modern well sealed
           | double glazing units. On patio furniture. In our lungs, one
           | assumes too.
        
           | hooverd wrote:
           | Hey, I'm sure the majority of those are trains popping off
           | the track at low speeds.
        
             | newsclues wrote:
             | Most of it is non-issues in rail yards. The definition of
             | derailment, isn't a big crash, it's when a wheel doesn't
             | touch the rail (or something simple but not indicative of
             | serious problems).
        
             | mc32 wrote:
             | Exactly! If he's blase about 1000 derailments it better not
             | be 1000 derailments of the East Palestine type per year.
             | 
             | In any event. it's really tone deaf to say, hey, no big
             | deal we have approx three accidents like this every day of
             | the year, deal with it! What a wanker.
        
             | qbasic_forever wrote:
             | And? The system shouldn't be in a steady state of expected
             | failures. These are enormous machines that sometimes carry
             | hazardous materials. Failure cannot be tolerated. It's
             | indicative of a rotten culture of safety and mismanagement
             | that ignores the problems.
        
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             | tzs wrote:
             | I expect in most of them there is no serious damage and
             | most of the train is still on the rails.
             | 
             | That's how the derailment I was in worked. This was an
             | Amtrak going from the Seattle area to Los Angeles. We
             | pulled onto a siding to let a freight train by. When our
             | train started again it went a few feet and then there was a
             | thud and it abruptly stopped.
             | 
             | What happened was that the rails had separated a bit just
             | ahead of where we had stopped on the siding, and so when
             | the train resumed it fell off the rails.
             | 
             | Amtrak sent a couple engines to help. One went to the back
             | or our train, and one went to the main track in front of
             | where the siding started. The back one was connected to the
             | back of our train, and the derailed engine was
             | disconnected. The back engine then pulled the rest of our
             | train backwards onto the main track. The other engine was
             | coupled to the front of our train, the back engine
             | decoupled, and we were back on our way.
             | 
             | It took around 6 hours or so from the engine derailing to
             | the rest of the train resuming with the new engine. That
             | was pretty annoying because we were without power most of
             | that time, which apparently caused issues with food storage
             | resulting in dinner being cancelled. Many of us who got on
             | in the Seattle area had not had lunch either. The train was
             | supposed to leave Seattle about an hour before lunch so we
             | had planned on lunch on the train, but it actually got to
             | Seattle after lunch.
        
       | reactspa wrote:
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         | kevingadd wrote:
         | The secretary of transportation is from Indiana
        
         | stevenjgarner wrote:
         | Wow thanks for the link - such incredible pressure for large
         | depositors in small banks to move their funds somewhere "safer"
         | - and people have the audacity to say crypto has no intrinsic
         | value.
        
       | blobbers wrote:
       | This sounds like CDC workers will have a big lawsuit against the
       | CDC. Their employment contract can't possibly be so bullet proof
       | as to fully waive their right to this?
       | 
       | They should have sufficient protective equipment when
       | investigating these types of disasters.
        
       | bitL wrote:
       | Is there any antidote for phosgene that can be manufactured
       | quickly at home?
        
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