[HN Gopher] The influencers getting rich by teaching you how to ...
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       The influencers getting rich by teaching you how to get rich
        
       Author : herbertl
       Score  : 39 points
       Date   : 2023-04-03 21:58 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | TrackerFF wrote:
       | Whenever I see FIRE (Financial Independence, Retire Early)
       | influencers, almost without fail, the "hidden" story is that
       | they:
       | 
       | - Inherited money / property / etc.
       | 
       | - Started to dabble in stock 5-10 years ago, right before /
       | during the greatest bull-run so far
       | 
       | - Work in tech / finance / law / general high-paying white collar
       | job
       | 
       | - Dual income, spouse in similar profession
       | 
       | But the big talking points are of course how they like to make
       | coffee home, and how you can save 2 bucks a day on doing that. Or
       | how hustling 2-3 hours a doing some menial online job will bring
       | you extra 10-20 bucks a day
       | 
       | edit: Also, related to the article, I have noticed a considerable
       | uptick of these "YOU NEED TO KNOW THESE 5 [insert some software]
       | TRICKS" tidbits. Just 10 minutes ago I was scrolling Instagram
       | and got a bunch of vids like that promoting excel tricks, chatgpt
       | tricks, etc.
        
       | paxys wrote:
       | This is a profession as old as time. "Get rich quick" books and
       | seminars, MLM schemes, the entire "hustle" culture in general.
       | Remember the most profitable venture during the gold rush wasn't
       | digging in mines but opening inns and selling shovels.
       | 
       | If there is a true secret to building wealth people who know it
       | aren't going to go around telling everybody for $50/mo.
        
         | __derek__ wrote:
         | In your analogy, the folks selling these courses are probably
         | more like the people selling claims to gold-less plots. Maybe
         | some gold-finding sticks, too.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | boeingUH60 wrote:
         | "How to make money from crypto/NFT/AI/[insert current thing
         | here]...buy my online course!"
        
       | galacticaactual wrote:
       | This is a long standing internet grift. Not sure why it's HN
       | worthy.
        
         | catchnear4321 wrote:
         | Older than the internet.
         | 
         | Not worthy, but society is having a conversation about what to
         | do with these types. Especially with how easy technology has
         | made it to grift. That's a little more on topic.
         | 
         | So, maybe worthy.
         | 
         | Pitchforks and torches for grifters with Porsches.
        
       | giantg2 wrote:
       | Yes, and the people getting rich during the gold rush were the
       | ones selling pans, shovels, and _jeans_. A tale as old as
       | civilization.
        
       | exogeny wrote:
       | Simple: never listen to influencers about anything. They are not
       | your friends. They are paid to sell you things, and in almost all
       | cases, with zero disclosure of that.
        
       | hn_throwaway_99 wrote:
       | I don't think the article's title really matches up with some of
       | the examples outlined in the article.
       | 
       | That is, most of the time when I hear "influencer giving advice
       | on getting rich", I think of it as total bullshit, and that type
       | of advice ("Dropship on Amazon!!") is nearly universally BS.
       | 
       | But I think it's fine, and actually great, to get real technical
       | advice and classes online. I mean, I haven't seen what advice she
       | gives, but the whole intro about "Miss Excel" doesn't seem like
       | she's "teaching you how to get rich", she's just showing the ins-
       | and-outs of Excel, and some features that may be unfamiliar to
       | some folks, in a fun and engaging way. Heck, those are the types
       | of "1 person company" stories that I think should make it to the
       | top of HN! As another example, one time I was between jobs and I
       | got really into baking, so I paid for some online baking
       | tutorials by https://www.kseniapenkina.com/ , who specializes in
       | a type of glazed "mirror cake". The tutorials were worth every
       | penny and I had a ton of fun making my pastries.
        
         | boeingUH60 wrote:
         | Yeah, that one was odd. Someone teaching people how to use
         | Excel (a useful skill in the workplace) shouldn't be lumped
         | with get-rich-quick grifters.
        
       | User23 wrote:
       | Reminds me of the investing classic _Where Are the Customer's
       | Yachts?_
        
       | for_i_in_range wrote:
       | > find your target market, "start with why," and build your
       | "click funnel." ("Click funnel" is a term that comes up often in
       | online marketing speak; the basic idea is turning your existing
       | connections into paying customers by sending them increasingly
       | irresistible emails.)
       | 
       | This part is an error.
       | 
       | In actuality, "click funnel" refers to the SaaS product called
       | ClickFunnels (www.clickfunnels.com), pioneered by marketer
       | Russell Brunson.
       | 
       | Thanks to Brunson (and his books, Expert Secrets and DotCom
       | Secrets), he's helped create a movement of people who aim to
       | build their own info businesses (courses, 1-on-1 coaching, etc.).
       | 
       | A "funnel" is not "sending them increasingly irresistible
       | emails." It actually refers to upselling customers. A person
       | purchases a product (like a book) at $9.95, then on the next
       | page, you upsell them and offer them a $97 course, then a $197
       | course, then a $997 live course, etc.
        
         | bdcravens wrote:
         | Perhaps they are conflating terms, but a "funnel" (sans
         | "click") exists outside of Brunson's product, and are a well
         | established sales technique. They aren't really an upselling
         | technique, but are what you would imagine the word describes:
         | large numbers (less qualified) in the top, small numbers (most
         | qualified) in the bottom.
        
         | __derek__ wrote:
         | Interesting. That up-sell flow appears to be how the Financial
         | Samurai blog works. Ditto Ramit Sethi, whose website/book
         | appears to be the allusion for the article's title despite not
         | being covered in the article.
        
       | boeingUH60 wrote:
       | Random related story: At my 2nd year of college, one of my
       | buddies got into the dropshipping fad after watching courses on
       | YouTube. He drop-hipped cheap bracelets from AliExpress and
       | actually made profits...guess how? He advertised that he was
       | donating 10% of its revenue to people affected by terrorist
       | activities in my country (Nigeria)...turns out people fell for
       | the marketing, and he did not donate one dime.
       | 
       | He left college shortly after and now sells online courses on
       | dropshipping and building businesses, LMAO
        
         | AlexandrB wrote:
         | > He advertised that he was donating 10% of its revenue to
         | people affected by terrorist activities in my country
         | (Nigeria)...turns out people fell for the marketing, and he did
         | not donate one dime.
         | 
         | There's a fine line between "marketing" and lying, and this is
         | plainly on the wrong side of it.
         | 
         | In general though, I try to take any claims where "a portion of
         | the proceeds" supposedly funds some charity with a huge grain
         | of salt. It's difficult/impossible to tell how truthful the
         | business is being about the amount donated.
        
           | boeingUH60 wrote:
           | > There's a fine line between "marketing" and lying, and this
           | is plainly on the wrong side of it.
           | 
           | Of course, I'm aware. I questioned him about it and he just
           | shrugged it off like it was nothing...I'm no saint, but I
           | found that pretty repulsive.
        
       | BMc2020 wrote:
       | "Where most small businesses have a hard time raising capital,
       | GWB had it shot at him through a fire hose."
       | 
       | (from memory) Molly Ivins on how GWB kept getting capital through
       | many failed businesses.
        
       | bdcravens wrote:
       | Hardly a new phenomenon. Dave Ramsey is a perfect example.
        
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       | spaceman_2020 wrote:
       | I remember watching a real estate Youtuber break down his $1M+
       | income. The video was titled something like "How I make $1M with
       | real estate".
       | 
       | In the video, he revealed that he actually made $95kish from real
       | estate. Made 900k from YouTube and sponsored posts.
       | 
       | Pretty much true for most "investment" channels
        
       | spoonjim wrote:
       | I feel like the opening anecdote is a swing and a miss. Miss
       | Excel doesn't teach people how to get rich, she teaches people
       | how to use Excel. I can't say whether it's good or bad content
       | but it's not get-rich-quick hustle spam.
        
       | MilStdJunkie wrote:
       | "From these _goddamn Mickelson Twins_ "
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biYciU1uiUw
        
       | boeingUH60 wrote:
       | "Those who do, do. Those who can't, teach".
       | 
       | You want to learn about business? Pick up the biographies of
       | successful businesspeople. Even then, beware of survivorship
       | bias.
       | 
       | Note that these successful people will never write a book titled
       | "how to be like me" but instead just write books narrating their
       | stories and allow you to choose what to learn from it.
       | 
       | To add, I think there's just something about people wanting the
       | easy path that causes them to fall for these grifts.
        
         | zwieback wrote:
         | .. and those who can't teach teach teaching
        
           | etothepii wrote:
           | I always thought they taught PE.
        
         | giantg2 wrote:
         | I kind of doubt those biographies are very useful. I'm sure
         | they're interesting. Even stuff written for the purpose of
         | helping other become successful has been heavily edited, like
         | _How to Win Friends and Influence People_.
        
         | jvb1000 wrote:
         | I hate this adage. I've taught, a lot. At universities, in high
         | school, and to adults. The idea that people who can't do can
         | teach is not remotely true. Most people can't teach
         | effectively. If you can't do something you also probably can't
         | teach.
        
           | cal85 wrote:
           | I think there's a strong grain of truth in it when it comes
           | to "business skills" or subjects in that general area.
        
         | ModernMech wrote:
         | And those who can't teach, denigrate teachers.
         | 
         | Literally the best thing you can do to increase your
         | understanding of something is to teach it to someone.
        
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