[HN Gopher] Sorting waste and recyclables with a fleet of robots
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       Sorting waste and recyclables with a fleet of robots
        
       Author : mfiguiere
       Score  : 69 points
       Date   : 2023-04-13 20:15 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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       | nkamoah17 wrote:
       | reminds me of my senior design project
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       | https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6794799...
        
       | epaulson wrote:
       | Others have pointed out that doing this in an office setting is
       | probably low-value, since the volumes are low and you can do a
       | lot of this at the recycling facility already once it gets
       | trucked away (though cleaner inputs are always welcome!)
       | 
       | Where I think we really need something like this is for outdoor
       | uses and picking up litter. Mobility is more of a challenge but
       | getting something to wander up and down the edges of highways
       | picking up trash would be great.
        
         | orangepurple wrote:
         | If there is even a slight financial incentive to recycle stuff
         | people will go hunting for recyclables - no need for robots.
        
           | singularity2001 wrote:
           | In germany people are hunting for empty bottles (and
           | recently: cans) since you get between 25 and 50 cents for
           | returning them to shops.
        
       | howmayiannoyyou wrote:
       | This is already being done at an industrial scale in MRFs using
       | robotic systems from various industry vendors, including AMP
       | Robotics (www.amprobotics.com, Alan Ross Machinery
       | (www.alanross.biz) and ZenRobotics (www.zenrobotics.com). This
       | makes pretty good sense at an industrial scale, but probably not
       | much economic sense at an office scale given the low incremental
       | value of the recyclables. That said, recycling & waste processing
       | is among the most dangerous jobs and there are good safety
       | arguments for using this tech in lower volume applications,
       | though probably still not office waste.
        
         | jeddawson wrote:
         | Came here to say the same. Love seeing waste industry stuff at
         | HN :)
         | 
         | Prairie Robotics (and similar) is another interesting take on
         | the problem at the industrial scale. They are recognizing
         | contamination as the waste is collected so the generators
         | (houses/businesses) can be notified and educated.
        
           | hbn wrote:
           | Never heard of Prairie Robotics but I was curious if they had
           | anything to do with where I live since I'm in a prairie
           | province. Turns out their corporate HQ is in my city!
        
       | barathr wrote:
       | There are some startups doing similar things in production
       | facilities: https://recycleye.com/
        
       | tired_and_awake wrote:
       | Isn't this a little bizarre? Didn't Google just layoff the entire
       | EDR team? And then brain publishes an article on their work and
       | credits the team that was shut down?
       | 
       | Am I missing something or is this incredibly tone deaf?
        
         | skybrian wrote:
         | * * *
        
         | alsodumb wrote:
         | From what I understand EDR team was absorbed internally, with
         | most of them going to Brain. So technically they just shutdown
         | EDR without really laying off the small team. I could be wrong
         | though.
         | 
         | Edit: Looks like I was wrong. My interactions were only with a
         | few folks on the research side which may not be representative
         | of the entire EDR team.
        
           | TaylorAlexander wrote:
           | When I was there the team was roughly 50% contractors (as
           | many as they could have). I wonder how they fared. Right when
           | it happened I spoke to a couple of friends. One mentioned
           | they might be laid off or might move to another team. I
           | suspect there is some mix of layoffs and team changes.
        
           | alphabot314 wrote:
           | > I could be wrong though.
           | 
           | Yep, you are.
           | 
           | A small percentage of the EDR team (and mainly contractors)
           | were absorbed by Google Research - the vast majority of the
           | team was let go.
        
         | dekhn wrote:
         | Isn't it a little bizarre just how much time, money, and
         | brainpower Google puts into projects that have no hope of
         | replacing established businesses (who are often doing
         | production versions of the Google research already)? \
        
         | dgacmu wrote:
         | It's probably better to have the paper come out with your name
         | on it so you can point to it in your cv and be able to talk
         | about it publicly. Not that it takes away much of the pain of
         | being laid off, mind you.
        
       | Animats wrote:
       | That's been commercially available for over five years now.[1]
       | Robots doing that are already widely deployed. If you take the
       | tour of the SF recycling center, you can see some of them.[2]
       | 
       | This works at scale. Here's a 90 ton per hour recycling
       | facility.[3]
       | 
       | This is the difference between feel-good recycling and industrial
       | scale recycling.
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       | [1] https://www.max-ai.com/
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       | [2] https://www.max-ai.com/video-max-ai-autonomous-qc/
       | 
       | [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FpsH_ETT7c
        
         | dan-robertson wrote:
         | I think there's some university-publicity-office dynamics here
         | where the OP ends up making silly claims about real world
         | applications. I think the article is much more 'here is
         | research we did in controlling a robotic arm with neural
         | networks, in real-time, in the real world' than 'we think this
         | is the best way to sort waste'.
         | 
         | I think this is like you read some university press release
         | about some research into a weird graph theory algorithm and
         | explained that social networks have been available for decades
         | and their approach isn't relevant there.
         | 
         | The waste sorting systems are interesting.
        
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