[HN Gopher] Prehistoric timeline in Africa pushed back by more t...
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       Prehistoric timeline in Africa pushed back by more than 10M years
        
       Author : PaulHoule
       Score  : 131 points
       Date   : 2023-04-14 12:01 UTC (10 hours ago)
        
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       | culi wrote:
       | I always like to keep a context for this sort of stuff. Here's my
       | growing list:                 giant impact that formed the moon
       | (4.5bya)       great oxidation event (2.4-2.0bya)
       | multicellular life (1.5bya-600mya)       trilobytes appear
       | (521mya)       landplants (470mya)       first land animal
       | (428mya)       pangea forms (335mya)       pangea breaks apart
       | (200mya)       angiosperms (275mya)       trilobytes disappear
       | (252mya)       ginkgo (200mya)       flowering plants become
       | abundant (100mya)       antartica was a rainforest (90mya)
       | dinosaurs died (65mya)       primates (55mya)       azolla event
       | (49-48mya)       pantherlike cats (10.8mya)       first humans
       | (5mya)       megalodons go extinct (2.6mya)       modern humans
       | (300k years ago)       yellowstone's last eruption (70k years
       | ago)       humans reach turtle island (30-20k years ago)
       | african humid period, green sahara (14.5-5k years ago)
       | beringia land bridge gets inundated (11k years ago)       saber
       | tooth tigers go extinct (10k years ago)       horses go extinct
       | in north america (9k years ago)       shift to wetter climate
       | makes Amazonia transition from grasslands to jungle (2k years
       | ago)
        
         | whiskers wrote:
         | I feel like you should add the appearance of the first
         | dinosaurs to this list (~240mya)!
        
         | chris_va wrote:
         | This was shared with me recently, graphical version of similar-
         | ish milestones: https://www.livingcarbon.com/deep-time
        
         | gmiller123456 wrote:
         | Probably need to add a reference to the creation of ChatGPT as
         | the last entry.
        
         | mihaic wrote:
         | Good list. I would add the evolution of sexual reproduction,
         | 1.2-2 bya. It seems to be a one-time leap and snowballed into
         | the modern complexity of life.
        
           | phkahler wrote:
           | Also, do flowering plant coincide with insects?
        
         | BeenAGoodUser wrote:
         | So modern humans knew a green Sahara? Amazing to think about! I
         | thought that was much older.
        
           | 8ytecoder wrote:
           | I was surprised to learn that as well. Apparently it's a
           | 20,000 year cycle.
           | 
           | https://news.mit.edu/2019/study-regulating-north-african-
           | cli...
        
           | anonymouskimmer wrote:
           | I believe people have speculated that desertification is
           | where the idea of the Garden of Eden (that humans were
           | expelled from) may have come from.
        
         | thangalin wrote:
         | I wrote a coffee table photobook that includes some of those.
         | 
         | https://impacts.to/downloads/lowres/impacts.pdf
         | 
         | You may find that the bibliography cites slightly different
         | dates:
         | 
         | https://impacts.to/bibliography.pdf
         | 
         | For example, dinosaurs died out around 66.04 +- 0.05 Ma.
        
           | beambot wrote:
           | The timeline becomes wildly condensed in more-modern years.
           | Would love to see a "zoomed in" timeline from 250Ma-0Ma to
           | capture that detail on more pages. :)
        
           | jjulius wrote:
           | This is super cool!
        
           | narag wrote:
           | I had not read "coffee table photobook" before, nice concept.
           | (and yours is great, btw)
           | 
           | That reminds me of those big table screens that Microsoft (?)
           | was selling years ago. Only seen in Hawai 5-0 again. Are they
           | still for sale? What was the name?
        
             | InvaderFizz wrote:
             | In standard Microsoft fashion, they were also called
             | Surface.
             | 
             | See: https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-surface-
             | pixelsense-...
        
             | Bjartr wrote:
             | "Surface", it's no longer available and they repurposed the
             | name to use for their tablets.
        
           | avar wrote:
           | > dinosaurs died out around 66.04 +- 0.05 Ma.
           | 
           | The dinosaurs didn't die out, and are alive in abundance
           | today.
           | 
           | I know what you mean, but it's interesting how many otherwise
           | scientifically accurate publications use the taxonomic term
           | as if though our understanding of the origin of birds hadn't
           | evolved since the 1950s.
        
             | tshaddox wrote:
             | The term "dinosaur" is used almost exclusively to refer to
             | non-avian dinosaurs. In scientific literature the
             | qualification is usually made explicit, but I belief even
             | there it is sometimes clear enough from context to avoid
             | the explicit qualification.
        
             | kuhewa wrote:
             | Thats technically correct, the worst kind of correct. The
             | same way dinosaurs, and hominids are both lobed-fin fishes
             | (Sarcopterygii) as are all tetrapods.
        
           | maxxxxxx wrote:
           | Wow, this is beautiful.
        
         | limbicsystem wrote:
         | Recommend two nice books on this: the ancestor's tale by
         | Richard Dawkins and Otherlands by Thomas Halliday. Both
         | absolute page turners!
        
         | lkbm wrote:
         | > shift to wetter climate makes Amazonia transition from
         | grasslands to jungle (2k years ago)
         | 
         | Wait, so all those forest species living there...did they
         | migrate from further north?
        
           | jamiek88 wrote:
           | There is a lot of evidence that the rainforest is largely man
           | made.
           | 
           | https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/pristine-
           | untou...
        
           | samth wrote:
           | A quick investigation on Wikipedia suggests that there are
           | two competing schools of thought:
           | 
           | - the rainforest was somewhat smaller but still intact
           | (contra the OP)
           | 
           | - the rainforest was reduced to small refuges separated by
           | grassland
        
         | darkteflon wrote:
         | That's excellent, thank you. My kid will love this, he's just
         | at that point where he's starting to understand the short scale
         | of human existence relative to what's come before. Always
         | looking for stuff that blows little minds.
        
         | jimmytucson wrote:
         | > first humans (5mya)
         | 
         | This might be a little early - Wikipedia says the genus Homo
         | emerged from Australopithecus around 3.3 Ma
         | (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo).
        
         | micah94 wrote:
         | you should throw this 'README' up on github
        
         | gsatic wrote:
         | Man have we observed and worked out a lot of stuff about our
         | past. Not bad for a 3 inch chimp brained creature.
        
         | codetiger wrote:
         | Can't miss the ice age timelines. Please add those.
        
         | brnt wrote:
         | Also interesting, a timeline going the other way:
         | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future
        
         | singularity2001 wrote:
         | Continuation of that list with a little overlap:
         | 
         | https://github.com/pannous/hieros/wiki/inventions
         | 14 ka Shubayqa Jordan baked bread              13 ka: beer in
         | Haifa, Natufian              13 ka: dentistry in italy (bitumen
         | fillings) - 7000 BC in Baluchistan drill              12 ka:
         | chert arrows heads, with lateral notches, Khiamian? usage as
         | awls and drills              12-11 ka: Agriculture in the
         | Fertile Crescent, Hureyra Karaca              12-11 ka:
         | Domestication of sheep in Southwest Asia (followed shortly by
         | pigs, goats and cattle)              11.5 ka houses were built
         | on the ground level (before: half below ground)
         | 11.5-10.5 ka small female statuettes, symbolic burying of
         | aurochs skulls (Khiamian)              11.5 ka Totems (Shigir
         | Idol), later in Americas              11-8 ka: Domestication of
         | rice in China              11 ka: Constructed stone monument,
         | megaliths - Gobekli Tepe, in Turkey              11 ka: vat-
         | fulls of porridge and stew, made from grain coarsely ground and
         | processed on an almost industrial scale - gobekli
         | 11 ka: gobekli 10,000 grinding stones and nearly 650 carved
         | stone platters and vessels, up to 200 litres of liquid
         | 9000 BC: Polished basalt axe & Jerf al Ahmar plaques proto
         | writing?              9000 BC: White ware burned lime
         | containers              9000 BC: small clay tokens for counting
         | Mureybet              9000 BC: Square Houses, explosive rapid
         | growth of the use of cereals in near East              9000 BC:
         | Mudbricks, and clay mortar in Jericho.              9000 BC:
         | rammed earth walls in Fertile Crescent, later stabilized with
         | lime or blood!              8500 BC: millet cultivation Nan
         | Zhuang Tou  Nanzhuangtou (& pottery)              8000 BC:
         | polished granite and alabaster jars (in Near East before
         | pottery)              8000 BC: Gesher basalt axes and various
         | other tools, exported              8000 BC Byblos arrowheads
         | replaced the Mureybetian types, and other technological
         | improvements              8000-7500 BC: Proto-city - large
         | permanent settlements, such as Tell es-Sultan (Jericho) and
         | Catalhoyuk, Turkey.              8000 BC: Patriarchic society
         | Asikli Hoyuk??              8000 BC: Oversea settlement of
         | Mediteranian islands              8th millennium bark cloth
         | Catalhoyuk bast fibers from oak => barkcloth Guangxi [?]5900 BC
         | => Austronesia 3000 BC              7900 BC: deep sea fishing
         | (tuna), Franchthi Greece... see Whaling              7500 BC:
         | planned hunt & work camp : trading outpost(Umm Dabaghiya)
         | 7500 BC: Nabta Playa ceramics, megaliths, herding
         | 7500 BC: Neoliths reached Europe in Sesklo              7000
         | BC: Tanned leather in the Indus Valley site of Mehrgarh,
         | Pakistan.              7000 BC: Dental drill in Mehrgarh,
         | Pakistan.              7000 BC: Alcohol fermentation -
         | specifically mead, in China              7000 BC: Sled dog and
         | Dog sled, in Siberia.              7000-6700 BC pottery
         | reaching Hassuna, stone vessels and White Ware were still being
         | used              7000 BC two level houses in Cayonu Mureybet
         | Beidha              7000 BC kitchen & living rooms separated,
         | upper levels used as granaries/workshops              7th
         | Millennium: copper hammering in Tell Sotto and Maghzaliyah
         | 7000-5000 BC Peiligang culture one of the oldest pottery in
         | ancient China              6500 BC Proper windows and doors in
         | Basta near Beidha              6500 BC Evidence of lead
         | smelting in Catalhoyuk, Turkey              6400 BC tholoi
         | burial buildings in Yarim Tepe              6200 BC Community
         | vessels 85 liters, Nea Nikomedeia, Greece              6200 BC
         | Hip roof, clay mixed with hay over thatch (todo: older!)
         | 6200 BC spindle whorls for spinning wool, Nea Nikomedeia,
         | Greece & Iran! =>              6200 BC woolen threads, ropes,
         | lines, leashes! (woolen cloth and laces only 2000 years later!)
         | 6000 BC: Whaling in Korea, Mediteranian, Basques and a bit
         | later France (= Megaliths!)              6000 BC: Pottery Kiln
         | in Mesopotamia Yarim Tepe(Iraq) after oven, metal furnace later
         | 6th Millennium: lead smelting and hot copper hammering in
         | Anatolia and Yarim Tepe(Iraq)              6000-4800 BC Samarra
         | irrigation: Choga Mami 4700 BC  channels, flax?
         | 6,400 to 5,000 BC 'Ain Ghazal & Sha'ar HaGolan:
         | 6th millennium BC Yarmukian : 700 km trade network obsidian,
         | pottery              6th polished stone vessels made of
         | alabaster (or marble) in Yarmukian              6th Pebble
         | streets in Yarmukian              6th courtyard houses, ranging
         | between 250 and 700 m2 in Yarmukian              6th Yarmukian
         | : 4.15 m well              6th Hassuna: jar burials with Venus
         | & food => belief in the afterlife              6th millennium
         | BC: Irrigation in Khuzistan, Iran              6000-3200 BC:
         | Proto-writing found in present day Serbia and China; later in
         | Iraq, Iran, Egypt and Pakistan.              5500 BC: Barbie
         | doll , Hamangia?              5300 BC: War massacres genocide
         | (again?)              5300 BC: Hacilar heavy fortifications and
         | small temple... newcomers!              5000 BC: stamp seal
         | with tally marks Tel Tsaf, Halaf culture              5000 BC:
         | silos with 200sq.m for 30 tons (20 families 1 year storage)
         | 5000 BC: Copper smelting in Serbia, after millennia of cold
         | metal working              5000 BC: Cotton thread, in Mehrgarh,
         | Pakistan, connecting the copper beads of a bracelet.
         | 5000 BC: Seawall in Israel              5th millennium BC:
         | Lacquer in China              5000-4500 BC: first preservation
         | of old rowing oars in China!              5000-4000 BC: two
         | tier settlement hierarchy in Ubaid culture
         | 5000-4000 BC: centralized large sites of more than 10 hectares
         | surrounded by smaller village sites of less than 1 hectare
         | 4800 BC: Sailing! Kuwait, Ubaid 3              4800-4400 BC:
         | City Walls to protect valuable oyster shell production in
         | Dimini & Sesklo (founded 7500 BC!)              4700 BC
         | Irrigation at Choga Mami vs Samarra  channels quickly spreading
         | to Halaf              4500-3500 BC: Lost-wax casting in Israel
         | or the Indus Valley              4400 BC: Fired bricks in
         | China.              4th millennium specialized regional
         | production centers:              4000 BC?: silver Carpatho-
         | Balkan zone, 3600BC Tepe Sialk              4000 BC artificial
         | harbor, Limantepe Izmir, Anatolia              4000 BC:
         | Probable time period of the first diamond-mines in the world,
         | in Southern India.              4000 BC: Paved roads, in and
         | around the Mesopotamian city of Ur, Iraq (pebble roads see
         | above)              4000 BC: Plumbing. The earliest pipes were
         | made of clay, and are found at the Temple of Bel at Nippur in
         | Babylonia. Earthen pipes were later used in the Indus Valley c.
         | 2700 BC for a city-scale urban drainage system, and more
         | durable copper drainage pipes appeared in Egypt, by the time of
         | the construction of the Pyramid of Sahure at Abusir, c.2400
         | BCE.              4000-3500 BC: Wheel: potter's wheels in
         | Mesopotamia and wheeled vehicles in Mesopotamia (Sumerian
         | civilization), the Northern Caucasus (Maykop culture) and
         | Central Europe (Cucuteni-Trypillia culture), reaching Harappa
         | 3500 BC and China. Slow wheel tournette replaced by fast wheels
         | after 3100 BC)              4000-3500 BC: specialized ropes
         | from fibers of reed, palms, flax, grass, papyrus, leather, or
         | hair (China 2800BC)              3500-2500 BC: Wheeled carts
         | replacing drawn sledges              3800-3500 BCE ox-plough
         | Bubenec, Czech Republic (replacing hoe and hand-ard    rods) !
         | 3630 BC: Silk garments (sericulture) in China              3500
         | BC: Domestication of the horse (maybe 1000 years earlier) as
         | pack & drough animal, riding maybe later.              3500 BC:
         | Wine as general anesthesia in Sumer, after millennia of usage
         | as durable juice              3500 BC: Very early Indus script
         | signs in Pakistan
         | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/334517.stm = King Scorpion
         | 3500 BC: Cylinder Seal emblem in Uruk and Susa after stamp
         | seals in the Halaf culture              3400-3100 BC: tattoos
         | in southern Europe, after Ubaid and likely Upper Paleolithic
         | 3300 BC: Rise of Cycladic culture and Minoan civilization
         | (Featuring 5500 BC Barbie doll , Hamangia)              3000
         | BC: Internationally Standardized weights!              2800 BC:
         | copper mirror or earlier              2600 BC: Cotton was woven
         | and dyed for clothing in Harappa (see 5000BC Cotton threads)
         | 2600 BC: "fowl for fighting" Harappa
        
           | 64bittechie wrote:
           | [dead]
        
         | jimmytucson wrote:
         | I'd add when any life began:                   single-celled
         | life (3.8-4.3bya)
         | 
         | ...which is notably close to when the Solar System formed
         | (4.6bya)
        
           | actionfromafar wrote:
           | ... 4.6bya - a good chunk of how long the universe even
           | existed.
        
             | RosanaAnaDana wrote:
             | One might assume then that life is inevitable. Seems like
             | too much if a coincidence (although I appreciate the
             | tautology of that thought).
        
               | muyuu wrote:
               | Or that "intelligent" life is very unlikely if you
               | consider that our planet will no longer be inhabitable in
               | roughly the next 10% of its total existence and 7% since
               | it's estimated microbial life appeared.
               | 
               | If human equivalent creatures had taken just 10% longer
               | to appear the sun would have dried up all the water on
               | the earth and wiped its atmosphere before it happened.
        
               | anonymouskimmer wrote:
               | The satellites of Saturn and Jupiter will still be
               | chugging along.
               | 
               | Our star is unusual, as well over 90% of stars are
               | smaller (and thus longer lived). Though if you go small
               | enough you start dealing with planets in the habitable
               | zone being tidally locked.
        
               | Tuna-Fish wrote:
               | But if a species capable of rocketry had not developed,
               | there is no way complex life would be able to get to
               | those satellites.
               | 
               | The increased likelihood of being tidally locked is not
               | the only problem with smaller stars. As a rule, larger
               | stars are more stable and smaller stars are more active.
               | This is made worse by the fact that the habitable zone is
               | closer to the star for smaller stars. Most stars in the
               | universe probably can't support life as we know it
               | because any planet close enough to be warm would get it's
               | atmosphere stripped off by flares.
        
               | anonymouskimmer wrote:
               | > But if a species capable of rocketry had not developed,
               | there is no way complex life would be able to get to
               | those satellites.
               | 
               | I'm talking about continuing evolution of the life that
               | may already be there.
               | 
               | Informative points about stars.
        
               | narag wrote:
               | The alternative explanation is that seeds from a previous
               | evolution started colonizing the planet as soon as the
               | medium became viable. But that's like cheating.
        
           | lisper wrote:
           | Not really. It's 300-800 million years. That's not nothing.
           | It just looks small by comparison to the time elapsed since
           | then.
        
           | laxd wrote:
           | ... and overlapping the the Late Heavy Bombardement.
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Heavy_Bombardment
        
         | saalweachter wrote:
         | Similarly, I have a number from the back of the envelope in my
         | back pocket that roughly 2.2 trillion person-years have been
         | lived (by modern humans), roughly one third before agriculture
         | and one third after the industrial revolution.
         | 
         | World War 2 was roughly one percent of history, weighted by
         | person-years.
        
           | OkayPhysicist wrote:
           | My favorite framing of that is that in homo sapiens, life has
           | only been proven to have a mortality rate of 93%.
        
             | pavlov wrote:
             | My personal mortality rate is 0% so far. Not sure what the
             | fuss is about.
        
           | andrewmutz wrote:
           | > World War 2 was roughly one percent of history, weighted by
           | person-years.
           | 
           | Do you mean history since WW2 has been about one percent of
           | history?
        
             | saalweachter wrote:
             | The population during the ~decade WWII covered was 2.3
             | billion, so about 23 billion person-years were lived, about
             | 1% of the total.
             | 
             | You can argue that total down considerably -- other stuff
             | happened during that decade, and while something like 10%
             | of the population fought in the war, it wasn't _truly_
             | global -- but it 's still impressive on the scale of
             | history. The US Revolutionary War was probably only
             | 1/1000th of that.
        
           | jbaber wrote:
           | What interval is the remaining third?
        
             | Infernal wrote:
             | Unless I'm misunderstanding, the remaining third would be
             | between the advent of agriculture and the industrial
             | revolution.
        
               | 988747 wrote:
               | So the first third took millions of years, second third
               | took roughly 6-7k years, and the last third took 200
               | years?
        
               | tomjakubowski wrote:
               | Like everything on the prehistoric timeline, the dawn of
               | agriculture keeps getting pushed back. I think that's
               | believed to be older than 10k years ago now.
        
               | Tuna-Fish wrote:
               | With the caveat that the intensity of the increasingly
               | older agriculture is increasingly low.
               | 
               | There are clearly agricultural societies, where >90% of
               | calories come from cultured plants, and there are clearly
               | hunter-gatherer societies that predate them, where ~0%
               | do. We used to believe in a relatively sharp cutoff
               | between these, where once people learned to grow food,
               | they quickly moved to mostly grow their food. This is no
               | longer thought to be the truth, and there was likely a
               | "transitional period" of many thousands of years as
               | people very slowly hunted and gathered less and planted
               | more.
               | 
               | (Why believe in a sharp transition? Because there is a
               | lot of archeological evidence for it, so it clearly
               | happened in lots of places. It's just that this doesn't
               | represent people inventing agriculture, but it spreading
               | to a new area and displacing older lifestyles, either by
               | migrations of people or of ideas.)
        
               | saalweachter wrote:
               | The first is only hundreds of thousands, starting with
               | anatomically modern humans and not all of our precursors
               | who lived for millions of years before that.
               | 
               | Though that may not change much -- depending on your
               | estimates, Neanderthals probably spanned 3-30 billion
               | person-years, as little as 0.1% of modern humans. All
               | human precursors (5-10My worth) might be margin of error
               | on the modern humans' totals.
               | 
               | On the other end of things, if we plateau at around 10
               | billion humans, it will only take about 75 years to
               | accumulate the next third (well, quarter) of human
               | existence.
        
         | baxtr wrote:
         | Very cool!
         | 
         | There was an article a while arguing that we humans are very
         | early in this universe and that's why we don't see any other
         | alien species.
         | 
         | There was a list of 7 steps that needed to happen for humans to
         | exists.
         | 
         | I don't remember them, but I think would be to cross check if
         | all of them are on your list.
         | 
         | Edit: found the theory. It's called Grabby Aliens and they use
         | a concept called "hard steps" of evolution.
        
           | nobody9999 wrote:
           | >There was an article a while arguing that we humans are very
           | early in this universe and that's why we don't see any other
           | alien species.
           | 
           | I recall that discussion and added to it with a link to a PBS
           | SpaceTime Episode[0] which discusses this in some detail.
           | 
           | Since you find it interesting (I certainly do), check it out.
           | Actually PBS SpaceTime has lots of other really awesome stuff
           | too![1]
           | 
           | [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTrFAY3LUNw
           | 
           | [1] I am unaffiliated with PBS SpaceTime, rather I'm just
           | glad it exists!
        
         | chr-s wrote:
         | I never knew horses went extinct in North America. Apparently
         | we don't really understand why either. Fascinating.
        
           | oblio wrote:
           | Horses are from North America, originally.
           | 
           | Crazy timeline.
           | 
           | They're from North America.
           | 
           | They seem to go extinct before local civilizations are able
           | to leverage them, missing out on a huge force multiplier.
           | 
           | Europeans reintroduce them much later and use them
           | successfully to conquer large swaths of land.
           | 
           | The "inferior" Native Americans realize the utility of horses
           | and very quickly they become so skilled at using them that
           | today their archetypal image is that of a horseman.
        
         | gadders wrote:
         | You could add Woolly Mammoths going extinct 4k years ago.
         | Notable it its own right, and also because they overlapped with
         | the pyramids being built.
        
           | finnh wrote:
           | Agree! Also Gobekli Tepe overlaps with saber tooth tigers
           | extinction (10kya).
        
             | gadders wrote:
             | I didn't know that. Good idea!
        
               | n_morningstar26 wrote:
               | Some one was trying to revive mammoth ! what happened to
               | that project.
        
           | vkou wrote:
           | For most intents and purposes, Wooly Mammoths became
           | irrelevant to the ecosystem, and to all but a few human
           | populations ~10,000 years ago. The last surviving mammoths
           | were isolated on a few scattered islands.
        
             | chiefalchemist wrote:
             | Yes. But the general perception is Wooly Mammoths were in
             | another era long before the more "modern" pyramids and
             | such.
             | 
             | TBH I wasn't aware the two overlapped. Now I know :)
        
         | NationalPark wrote:
         | Here's a good one you can add:
         | https://www.wired.com/2010/01/ancient-seafarers/
         | 
         |  _Somebody_ got on a boat and ended up in Crete 100k years ago!
         | 
         | (Also you forgot the ice age, heh)
        
       | carabiner wrote:
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         | DeusExMachina wrote:
         | If so, of what is this a simulation, exactly?
        
           | replwoacause wrote:
           | It's a constructed reality. It doesn't have to be a
           | simulation of anything in particular.
        
         | chronofar wrote:
         | Whether that's true or false changes virtually nothing about
         | this article or our understanding of anything in the universe.
        
         | tomrod wrote:
         | Personally, I find Solipsism and its cousins unsatisfying.
        
         | consumer451 wrote:
         | > Simulation theory is deism for techies.
         | 
         | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33580896
        
           | carabiner wrote:
           | I believe in a God outside of this simulation.
        
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