[HN Gopher] Sweden starts largest military exercise in over 25 y... ___________________________________________________________________ Sweden starts largest military exercise in over 25 years Author : rntn Score : 17 points Date : 2023-04-17 21:51 UTC (1 hours ago) (HTM) web link (www.dw.com) (TXT) w3m dump (www.dw.com) | dbrueck wrote: | What a strange part of Putin's legacy. | | I'm still hoping for de-escalation, but frankly it feels like we | could easily have an incident that causes things to spiral out of | control, a la the start of WWI. | TazeTSchnitzel wrote: | I want to think the NATO countries are wise enough to not start | WW3 if they get an excuse. If a fighter jet or something gets | downed, it'd be in the interests of everyone to play it down. | JumpCrisscross wrote: | > _we could easily have an incident that causes things to | spiral out of control, a la the start of WWI_ | | I'm wondering if better comms and surveillance increase or | decrease the chances of such a trigger. I'm leaning towards the | latter. Mistakes can be shown to be as much, _e.g._ when a | Ukrainian air defence missile hit Poland. And dialog doesn 't | take days. | remarkEon wrote: | >NATO diplomats hope that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan | will approve Sweden's membership if he is confirmed as the next | head of state following the Turkish elections next month. | | Awkward position to be in for NATO, since Erdogan has been a | circuitous partner to work with. | sebow wrote: | I think it's a pretty clear-cut view forward from the turkish | position: deny Sweden's ascension to NATO unless they give up | all PKK members, which should be feasible since they (only) | recently declared it to be the terrorist organization it is. | It's really shameful that they did not do this until recently, | so Turkey denying them previously is not surprising and | actually understandable. What i want to add is that this | position is gonna be taken by turkey regardless of whether | Erdogan wins the next elections, which i'm very doubtful of ( | remember he campaigned on earthquake preventions, which given | recent events will hurt him politically). | | Sweden will do what i've mentioned because they cannot afford | not to. | mrtksn wrote: | What's not clear-cut tho is who is a PKK member, because you | know, the terrorist organisations don't have very well | organised membership program and an audit. | | In Turkey, anyone can be a terrorist. There's even this | concept of "aiding terrorist organisation even though not | being member of it" and aid can be anything from writing | article which support their cause and the support often can | be very broad too because you might be accused of supporting | a terrorist organisation of you support something like the | right of speaking the mother thong. | | All the issues arise due to the difference of terror | definitions between Turkey and more liberal countries. In | Sweden you can march with the poster of Abdullah Ocalan, the | founder of the terrorist organisation, in Turkey you might be | accused of supporting terrorist even if you say Mr. Ocalan by | mistake(you are expected to parrot something like "baby | killer" or at least "head terrorist"). | | Another problem with the Turkish stance is that it's | inconsistent. This terrorist organisation is not formed in a | vacuum, it is a response to oppression on the Kurds by the | Turkish state and the politicians can dial down the terrorist | accusation down and talk about "Let's help mothers stop | crying and discuss the issues and find an gun free solution | on the issue" if it fits their current political position. | nashashmi wrote: | * * * ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2023-04-17 23:00 UTC)