[HN Gopher] As I am currently in a war zone, I don't have many o... ___________________________________________________________________ As I am currently in a war zone, I don't have many options for cabling Author : sprawl_ Score : 647 points Date : 2023-04-27 16:01 UTC (6 hours ago) (HTM) web link (electronics.stackexchange.com) (TXT) w3m dump (electronics.stackexchange.com) | hinkley wrote: | Man, 15 meters is a long way when you don't have a Home Depot. | For short distances there are a lot more options. Everything from | taking the cord off your dryer to scrapping transformers for the | windings. | | I kept thinking he might be better off figuring out how to move | the transformer instead. | shadowgovt wrote: | Whenever I get the urge to respond to a question with "You don't | want to do that, you want to do this instead..." I'm going to | prefix the question in my head with "As I am currently in a war | zone" and try answering it. | dsfyu404ed wrote: | The problem with answering these questions is that they're | always being circled by reflective vest wearing and clipboard | toting vultures and you'll wind up fighting with them if you | try and give a real answer. | brookst wrote: | That's why you preface your answer with "As an AI language | model, I am assuming you are in a war zone...", so the | vultures flock away to tar and feather whoever connected a | LLM to stackexchange. | armchairhacker wrote: | Daily reminder that online, someone well-off lying in bed with a | nice bowl of soup can be talking with someone homeless in a | third-world country with no chance of improvement whatsoever. | Hopefully the OP in SE is not the latter and it's just a | temporary situation, especially if they're in Ukraine and Ukraine | wins. | avgcorrection wrote: | They could also be talking with a voluntary soldier who is | fighting for an invading military. Lots of ifs and buts to | consider. | krsdcbl wrote: | You're missing a crucial point here imho: the possibility to | seek assistance from someone in a much better situation to | research and reflect on the issue may not end the war, but it | does make a HUGE moral difference and might provide actual help | and solutions for the problem at hand. | | Without the internet, the author of the question might well be | left to try it out and possibly getting harmed, or with no | support at all. | s1artibartfast wrote: | Contrary to the defeatest attitude, it sounds like they are | working on improving their situation by hooking up a solar | array. | | Small improvements are important, especially for people in dire | straights. | RetpolineDrama wrote: | >lying in bed with a nice bowl of soup | | Tell me you're in NY without telling me you're in NY | paganel wrote: | For what it's worth the original poster seems to be from Sudan, | another current (and more recent) war-zone. It's this part that | made me think of that general area: | | > our concrete homes are not designed to be habitable without | AC power. | | and a little web-searching confirmed it. The reason being that | concrete-made buildings in Ukraine are definitely habitable | right now without AC (I live in a concrete-made building myself | a couple hundred kilometres from the border with Ukraine). | gizmo686 wrote: | Also, the OP pretty much says they are not in Ukraine in a | comment: | | > I think Probably the war will end because Russia and | America are busy in Ukraine | User23 wrote: | Yeah I don't think it's common knowledge in the west that | our governments are doing the color revolution dance in | Sudan. | netsharc wrote: | Depressing world facts in April 2023: | | "I'm in a war zone." | | "Oh yeah, which one?" | | At least in March 2023 it was "slightly better" that people | would go straight to assuming the answer is "Ukraine". Any | other active wars going on[1]? Maybe Myanmar.. | | [1] Result for "active wars in 2023" gives me a page of | potential conflicts: https://www.cfr.org/report/conflicts- | watch-2023 | perth wrote: | Don't forget the not often talked about Colombian | Conflict! | beardog wrote: | The tigray war is kind of paused right now and Eritrea | has not signed onto the ceasefire, so I would still treat | it as a war zone if I were to travel there. | | The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict could reignite if | Azerbaijan wants to take advantage of Russia's | distraction. | | The Yemeni and Syrian civil wars are still not resolved | | Western Sahara has a sort of no-mans land and a land mine | problem and had clashes in 2020. | | India's borders with Pakistan see skirmishes from time to | time. A similar situation may arise with India and China | too as water and geopolitical issues mount. | beardog wrote: | Correction, seems the China-India situation has already | become similar with clashes in 2020, 2021, and 2022. | andrepd wrote: | > Depressing world facts in April 2023: | | Has there ever been a point in at least the last 2500 | years where there _weren 't_ multiple active warzones in | the world? | labster wrote: | > Depressing human nature facts in any year | | FTFY | bragr wrote: | >"Oh yeah, which one?" | | I mean, when has there ever not been several regional | wars going? | lucumo wrote: | That happened a couple of times, but that was because | everyone was fighting in one big war. | tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: | It's unclear if he means Alternating Current or Air | Conditioning with AC. I hope it's the former, because the | latter needs kilowatts, not the 270 W they have. | | "Concrete" can also mean "the cement based building material" | or "specific", as in "this specific building needs power to | be habitable, because <unusual detail>" (pumping drinking | water for example, which is mentioned). | | The comment "because Russia and America are busy in Ukraine" | indicates OP is not in Ukraine. | gizmo686 wrote: | What else would they need power for? Heating and cooling | are the only appliances I can think of that would be | necessary for habitability. | jstarfish wrote: | The device they're asking the question from ;) | evan_ wrote: | sump pump or well pump, which would also need quite a bit | of power but not as much as HVAC | | maybe just lighting if there are no windows or they have | to keep the windows covered | jccooper wrote: | Ventilation and/or lighting. | philwelch wrote: | Fun rule of thumb is that Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan | is at the same latitude as Moses Lake in eastern Washington. | (Blue Origin used to have a rocket test facility in Moses | Lake; another rocket startup is out there now. It's unlikely | to be used as an operational launch facility but it could | reach ISS if it were.) Ukraine is slightly north of | Kazakhstan on average so think northern US or Canada. | 0xDEF wrote: | The OP is from Sudan. | | Ukraine has been impressively fast in rebuilding critical | infrastructure after Russian cruise missile strikes. It also | helps that many of the Ukrainian men that have gone back to | Ukraine are construction workers, electricians etc. Many of | them are even working under the risk of Russian double-tap | strikes. | squarefoot wrote: | Steel is bad as an electrical conductor as its much higher than | copper internal resistance would waste a lot of power. I don't | know if the military still use wired field telephones, but in | case they do, the field phone wire is excellent. It won't sustain | lots of current, but if you're OK with a few amps, then that | cable is sturdy, water and oil resistant and it has both copper | and steel core, the former working as good electrical conductors | and the latter making it extremely hard to break. It's also | _very_ good for building low cost emergency long wire antennas, | dipoles, etc. | sa46 wrote: | Around 2014 or so, we (light infantry) had field telephones on | the books, but we only used them once for a field exercise to | practice assuming all modern tech was down. | H8crilA wrote: | WW2 stories of diversions to enemy communications: put small | needles through the cable. At first you'd think you just have | to cut the cable, but that actually makes it very easy to | find and fix the problem. Small needles that short the wires | are very difficult to locate. Unless you have a fast device | that measures return latency on the shorted circuit, but that | wasn't available in the 1940s. | cjbgkagh wrote: | You can use binary search to find the pin. Unless two or | more pins are used. | tialaramex wrote: | However "a fast device that measures return latency on the | shorted circuit" is presumably very cheap today. | | 20+ years ago, rewiring buildings for 1000baseT the Cisco | switches (3650s maybe? 3750s? I know they had IPv6 | multicast acceleration in the switch fabric because that's | why we had them) would do this for any circuit on command, | OK, 18 metres from here there's a fault, pace, pace, pace, | I reckon it'll be up on this cable tray... yup, some fool | tried to "repair" a broken Cat5 cable, we'll just rip it | out, meanwhile patch to a different circuit. | jutrewag wrote: | Perfect time to use a pin nailer. | dimitrios1 wrote: | Interesting comment by the OP of the EE Post: | | "Yes. we already done that but not over do it because we hope the | power will be restored.I think Probably the war will end because | Russia and America are busy in Ukraine and hopefully will not | supply fighting parties with bombs, rockets and ammunition and | they have to keep fighting with sticks and swords" | wicharek wrote: | This remark implies that the warring parties are somehow | equally responsible. I do not know where the OP is (Sudan?) and | know nothing about what's going on there. But Ukraine situation | is crystal clear - there is the victim and the aggressor. | Representing them as as equally guilty of war is at best | misleading. | potatototoo99 wrote: | Vae victis. Whoever wins the war will set the record on | responsibility, like they always do. | mrguyorama wrote: | "Winner writes the history" is largely bullshit. 90% of the | narrative about the third reich and WW2 right up until | recently came from the very Nazis responsible. | manuel_w wrote: | I don't understand how that counters "Winner writes the | history". | | If the winner wouldn't write history it wouldn't be a | problem to talk about | | - Holodomor in Russia | | - the genocide on the Armenians in Turkey. | [deleted] | hot_gril wrote: | I look at history as what the world thinks rather than | just one country, and still Armenian Genocide history was | a close call. Took a long time for other countries (over | 100y for the US) to recognize it due to fear of | retaliation, and Ottoman Empire was debatably not even a | "winner." | aliher1911 wrote: | Wagner group (russian private military) which is now busy in | Ukraine and lost quite a bit of personnel was actively | involved in Sudan. I might be mistaken but they have some | interests in gold mining operation which is a shared venture | between Sudan and some Russian business. | beebeepka wrote: | Be honest with yourself and try to imagine what would happen | to, say Mexico, if Russia were to stage a coup, install their | guy, and deploy weapons. Cuba has been under the boot for how | many decades now? Are they not victims? | | The never ending "civil war" in Sudan is just one of the | countless proxy conflicts between the US and Russia | | The population doesn't want to be under Russia's boot, of | course. Nobody does. But you're clearly playing the naivety | card when you should, and do, know better | elzbardico wrote: | It is useless man. HN is completely indoctrinated by the | propaganda. They even still believe that Trump was elected | by russian interference. | yks wrote: | > The population doesn't want to be under Russia's boot | | More importantly, the population doesn't enjoy genocide and | torture that comes with "being under Russia's boot". The | specific goals and ways with which Russia wages this | conquest makes them unequivocally "bad guys" and Americans | who help Ukrainians "good guys", even if this simplicity | offends your cynical tastes. | netsharc wrote: | > if Russia were to stage a coup, install their guy, and | deploy weapons. | | So... is your understanding that Russia's been "forced" to | invade because the US was arming Ukraine to eventually | invade Russia? | | I guess this is not an original argument to get into, but | do we want to agree on some basic facts before we start: | | 1. Putin is corrupt. E.g. | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_tFSWZXKN0 . Sure the | people making the video are people who want to see him be | taken down and a Pro-Putin take could be that these guys | are liars funded by "foreign states" to make propaganda to | make Putin look bad, but there's tons of other evidence of | his corruption. | | 2. The person ousted in the "coup" (Viktor Yanukovych) was | also deeply corrupt. E.g. | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/24/rebels- | toured-... | | If we can agree that these 2 things are true, then I think | there's an argument I can make that the Ukranian people's | wish to be closer to the west is genuine and is not a | Western-manufactured thing. Because the alternative is for | a corrupt Ukranian leader that would've moved to be even | more in bed with a corrupt Russian leader and for the | citizenry to be robbed of their prosperity and welfare. | | The argument that Putin did it to stop NATO's growing | sphere of influence is a curious reversal of roles of the | bad and good guys. Of course it's hard to argue the US/EU | are the super clean good guys, hey there's corruption in | these 2 institutions as well... but the way I see it, to | say that Putin is the better guy against US/EU/NATO | requires a lot of self-deception. Or am I the one being | deluded? | beebeepka wrote: | Please quote me saying Putin is the good guy. The entire | point of my post was to challenge the very notion of | good/bad actors because it's simply not a thing | | I think I made it clear that of course the Ukrainians | prefer the US. Almost anybody would, myself included. But | not because they are "the good guys". What are we, 12? | netsharc wrote: | Hmm, a slippery fish, interesting. | | Sure the actors aren't good/bad but are acting out of | their interest. | | But the whole "Imagine if Russia staged a coup in Mexico | and installed their guy" sounds like you're saying the | whole situation got started because some actors' interest | was to expand their sphere of influence and squeeze | Russia. Let's say that this is the case; sure, I would | then agree, the only logical move for the actor Putin was | to sooner or later confront this with a war. | | I'm arguing, how do you know there was a Western- | engineered coup? Got any links? To me it looks more like | a population that didn't want to live under the corrupt | Putin/Yanukovich regimes, an actual people's movement. | Maybe there aren't any bad actors, but it sounds like | you're absolving Putin from any blame, with the whole | Mexico-line of thinking, you're saying (I'll assume) "he | was forced to defend his country because Nato was going | to crush him". | | Why did Putin attack? I can imagine he deluded himself[1] | into thinking that Nato/"the West" wants to conquer | Russia, and engineered Ukraine into falling into Nato's | sphere of influence (so Western propaganda lying to the | Ukranian public, who then forced Yanukovich out). But I | imagine for Putin this explanation is easier to believe | than the thought that people in the Baltics and even | Russia itself don't like thieving bastards, because to do | that he'd have to admit his corruption is something | unsavory. | | And you're sort of arguing the installation of weapons | means Nato was going to attack Russia, but WTF, how about | Putin look at himself if he's been behaving threateningly | to justify a neighbor to install weapons? Who's the one | who was the aggressor who annexed Crimea? (oh no, that's | another can of worms, "Putin had to do that because the | West was going to cut off the Black Sea access!", right?) | | [1] The legend is that he was isolating so much due to | Covid, he started to develop these theories. | kelnos wrote: | I don't think the OP was saying what you think they were | saying. | | They were merely pointing out that the US and Russia are too | "distracted" with Ukraine to provide arms to the warring | parties in Sudan, and so hopefully the Sudanese conflict will | fizzle out sooner than if the Ukraine war was not going on. | | I don't believe OP was making any kind of judgment on whether | or not the West supplying weapons to Ukraine is a good or bad | thing, or is morally right or wrong. Just observing a | possible effect on their own situation. | ethbr0 wrote: | No, it doesn't. It's a fair comment about external arms | supply intensifying conflicts, without apportioning blame. | xdennis wrote: | It's not fair because external supply is __de-escalating__ | conflict. If Ukrainians were left without any help they | might have been conquered by now and genocided. See what | they've done in the past with people the consider | troublesome: | | - Extermination of 80-97% of Circassians, | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassian_genocide | | - 1.7 million Poles deported, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki | /Soviet_repressions_of_Polish_c... | | - All Crimean Tartars executed or deported to make Crimea | Russian in 1944, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_ | of_the_Crimean_Tat... | | - Up to 10 million Ukrainians executed, | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor | ethbr0 wrote: | I think you and parent are reading things into the | comment that isn't there. | | On one axis, there's volume and sophistication of arms. | | On another axis, there's culpability, righteousness, and | what comes after. | | No requirement to intermingle the two. Examples of | genocide aren't germane to the observation that heavier | weapons increase the intensity of civil war conflicts. | That's why UN arms embargoes have historically always | been a first step. | [deleted] | kelnos wrote: | I agree with the sibling that you are reading things into | OP's comment that aren't there. | | OP isn't saying anything about the validity or wisdom of | supplying arms to Ukraine. They're talking about Sudan, | and how no one is interested/non-busy enough to supply | _their_ warring parties with weapons -- coincidentally, | because of the war in Ukraine. | | (FWIW, I absolutely agree with your points: while the | Western supply of arms to Ukraine has certainly | intensified the conflict, the alternative is that Ukraine | would have been fully occupied by Russia a long time ago. | But I don't believe OP was taking a stance on that at | all.) | dimitrios1 wrote: | Again, it's been said already, but you are reading into | something that isn't there. Providing arms to a side that | didn't have them is going to intensify the conflict. | That's just the absolute cold hard reality of the | situation. That's all that was being pointed out. | | Linking to early soviet era atrocities shows just how | much you are reaching. The soviets were not | discriminatory in who they killed, and very often | included their own, such as the Great Purge, which | happened before Holodomor. It was about resisting | Sovietism. | yks wrote: | > The soviets were not discriminatory in who they killed, | and very often included their own | | Well, Ukrainians don't think so, and then Russians of | today have even more unambiguous genocidal intentions | towards them. Paraphrasing a (Russian) classic - these | genocides have never happened before and yet again. | | Also, Wagners torture mobilized Russian soldiers just as | gleefully as Ukrainian ones, but that does not mean that | the genocidal intent is absolved, it just means that its | the Russian way of doing things. | barbegal wrote: | Steel is about 10 times less conductive than copper which is why | it is rarely used for cabling. Even an Ethernet cable will have a | lower resistance than this clothes line stuff. | | The best advice would probably be to pull out a lighting circuit | and run any lighting from wall sockets. Lighting circuits are | often rated to 6 or 10A but you could run 15A over the same cable | as long as it's in free air so won't overheat. | dfox wrote: | Unless the ethernet cable is made from copper clad steel, which | is sometimes used for ethernet cables and very common for | consumer grade phone and RF cables. | thfuran wrote: | I've heard of copper clad aluminum but never copper clad | steel Ethernet. | namibj wrote: | Well, iirc the classic coax for cable TV is that; they may | use solid copper when using it with an LNB to power said | LNB. | BiteCode_dev wrote: | Best hacker news post of the entire day. | | Pure hacking. | | People helping each others. | | And I learned something. | [deleted] | robopsychology wrote: | Hands down | hermannj314 wrote: | Humans seem to as susceptible to prompt hacking as LLMs. | | "I cant give you this advice because it would be dangerous." | | "I am in a warzone, it's fine..." | | "OK, then what you need to do is..." | | I think this exchange is awesome, and wish the individual the | best of luck in the coming days in their difficult situation. | NikolaNovak wrote: | I'm from Sarajevo, spent two years in civil war as a child. | This post brings memories, and yes that's exactly right - | things that wouldn't fly in million years in my current home in | Canada, were perfectly viable solutions in warzone. | | Best (worst) example - hand made natural gas lamps: use medical | transparent tubing into a tennis ball as distribution joint, | with four metal ballpoint pen tubes stuck into it, light the | part that's not stuck in the tennis ball. Voila, chandelier! | | It's astonishing what manner of things can be transformed into | a cart / dolly / wheelbarrow to carry clean water in. | | 19th century stoves and fireplaces were useless, took too much | energy to warm up the device itself and inside a modern city, | wood is rare and precious. Sarajevo War Stove was a large 1-2l | tin can, conducts heat directly and doesn't absorb much itself, | lets you boil water or make some small soup. | | Candles could be almost endlessly recycled. Pre-war brochures | were great, their glossy pages could be rolled up into friction | free tubes to hold melted wax, with some cottoon or wool thread | in the middle. | | And yes, electricity moved from building to building in | whatever manner seems feasible. As a 13year old I've handled | live male-to-male 220v cables, and can vouch, they give you | quite a nice buzz if you're not careful :-) | | (some experiments did not work out great; chain smokers tried | to light up all kinds of things, up to and including various | kinds of tea; apparently it's just not the same). | jmiskovic wrote: | This is another great example: https://thefunambulistdotnet.w | ordpress.com/2012/04/18/bosnia... | Someone wrote: | > Sarajevo War Stove was a large 1-2l tin can, conducts heat | directly and doesn't absorb much itself, lets you boil water | or make some small soup. | | Efficient stoves can indeed be fairly simple, as in | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverage-can_stove, | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobo_stove or | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_stove. | | A hightech variant has a battery-operated fan. I find that a | weird combination, but apparently, it works well | (https://www.techxlab.org/solutions/zz-manufacturing- | sierra-z...) | nibbleshifter wrote: | > chain smokers tried to light up all kinds of things, up to | and including various kinds of tea | | I've tried smoke a lot of things, including tea. | | Don't recommend it. | pfffr wrote: | Mullein, raspberry leaf, lots of other herbs can be a | decent alternative that don't satiate the physical craving. | Mullein helps clear out your lungs and can actually help | you quit nicotine. You can also cut tobacco with these | kinds of herbs. I'd recommend researching herbal smoke | blends to anyone interested. Can also be used as a safer | alternative if you want to cut your spliffs with something | other than tobacco. | ftxbro wrote: | > Mullein helps clear out your lungs | | Maybe drinking it as an expectorant tea, but I can't | imagine smoking it would be helpful overall. | Sharlin wrote: | > (some experiments did not work out great; chain smokers | tried to light up all kinds of things, up to and including | various kinds of tea; apparently it's just not the same). | | Might satisfy the social and psychological aspects of | addiction, but the physiological part is rather difficult to | sate without nicotine. | ethbr0 wrote: | No, that's just stack* being their usual dickish selves. | | "How can I do a thing?" | | "You shouldn't want to do that thing." | | Danger/risk is a situation that happens sometimes, but it's | never an excuse to dismiss the asker's question and need. | | Explain the warning or concerns ("May catch fire and explode" | or "Will not be to code, would cause your building to fail | inspection" or "There's this other framework/language that | might make it easier"), but also give them a damn answer! | | In this case, there's no @$&#ing reason someone sitting in | their office shouldn't do the calculation that's being | requested from the parameters supplied. It's a simple emag | calc. | | I'm pretty sure stackX would tell someone asking about the time | required to boil water for sanitization to never drink boiled | water and use the tap. :/ | Gordonjcp wrote: | My favourite get-out phrase is "Now remember, I'm telling you | *how* to do it, I'm not telling you that you *should* do it." | dpkirchner wrote: | "Here's an answer to what I wish you had asked:" | | "You shouldn't use that sort of electricity, you should | switch to three-phase." | ethbr0 wrote: | > _" You shouldn't use that sort of electricity, you should | switch to three-phase."_ | | Ha! That made my day. Stack Overflow in a nutshell, with | analogy converted to js frameworks. | anoonmoose wrote: | All three of the warnings and concerns you provided are | extremely mild compared to the warning/concern that should | actually be attached to this post: "if you fuck up while | working on this you can easily die, and if anyone who doesn't | know the danger you have created exists and interacts with it | they can easily die". Emphasis on the easily part. Someone | trips in the backyard, etc. I understand OP is desperate but | I think putting this info out in the world is legit more | likely to cause harm than good. | ethbr0 wrote: | Who are we to weigh the consequences to the poster of a | lack of electricity against risk created by jury rigging? | | And specifically, to make that choice for them? | | Caveat hacker. | anoonmoose wrote: | This isn't even a hacker, though! This is a person who | isn't capable of doing extremely basic electrical | calculations. It'd be a totally different topic if it was | a person who I thought fully appreciated the danger of | what they're doing. If you can't calculate the voltage | drop over a length of cable you should not be wiring your | own deadly AC voltages. I'm willing to die on that hill. | zamnos wrote: | This is a metaphorical hill you're willing to | metaphorically and not literally die on? How brave. | | The Stack Overflow poster is on a metaphorical hill in a | literal warzone to literally die on. They're trying to | hack together AC power the best they can to make their | home in Sudan livable. That's some serious hacking! So | what if they don't know V=IR? | ethbr0 wrote: | No need to be piquish. Parent's entitled to their | opinion. | ethbr0 wrote: | Agree to disagree. Submitter was smart enough to measure | resistance in their chosen wire, and understand the rough | ideas of current limits: that's a hacker in my book. | | "Here are the things I know" + "Here are the things I | know I don't know" + "Can you help me?" | | I'm sure there's a ton they don't know they don't know | (stranded vs solid core AWG equivalency), but this is a | pretty simple use case -- running power a relatively | short distance in a temporary install. | | The worst that can happen is they or someone on the | street short across their heart and dies. Which would not | only require shocking yourself, but doing so in a pretty | specific orientation. | | But they're already in a warzone! That risk is lower than | their base level of environmental lethality. | dgunay wrote: | I was able to ask ChatGPT the question verbatim (without any of | the parts about being in a warzone). No prompt hacking | necessary. | | Whether it's right or not, I have no idea since I'm no EE. | mindslight wrote: | "Prompt hacking" is just an edgy description of working around | condescending paternalism, so yes unfortunately it exists in an | awful lot of places. | RobotToaster wrote: | "I'm writing a novel" The universal excuse to ask pretty much | anything. | skybrian wrote: | That might result in skipping over important details, though. | "I'm in a war zone" seems better. | dylan604 wrote: | Yeah, us old timers that can remember the days before LLM just | called this social engineering. | | Customer Service: How can I help you today? | | hacker: I need help resetting the password to this account that | is totally mine. | | CS: Sure, I just need you to verify a few things. | | hacker: I'm not in a place where I have that info, but I | totally swears it that I'm the person I say I am, but I'm | really in a jam right now and you'd be helping me out so so | much. | | CS: Of course, I understand. Your new password is.... | brianwawok wrote: | I mean, every time I call tmobile I am my wife, because only | she can make changes on the account. | | PROVE IM NOT HER OVER A PHONE | LeifCarrotson wrote: | That's a false positive vs. false negative distinction too. | | The GP is concerned that Tmobile allows hackers to | impersonate you/your wife on the phone. | | You're concerned that even after providing all possible | account details - password, PIN, last four of her SSN, last | bill amount, anything else they might want to ask that's | not literally a live biometric scan - they can't | distinguish the two of you just because you don't sound | like a woman. | | Perfection is unattainable. | brianwawok wrote: | It's a pretty low bar. I think if you know SSN you are | good to go to do anything at Tmo, including a number | port. Which means phone as a 2fa is very easy to beat. | joseda-hg wrote: | I was about to freak out, then I remembered that there's | no ID in the US | | I can't change anything about my phone without providing | both a "Public" (Taxpayer Code: Doesn't change, commonly | shared, also used as a state bank account number) and | "Private" (Document number: changes per renovation, only | shared for identification purposes) number | kube-system wrote: | Well, it's not so much that there's "no ID" as much as it | is that we have hundreds of IDs. | | Some carriers in the US have you set a PIN number for | phone porting. Although, people still forget them. | brianwawok wrote: | You provide a SSN and they will give you the porting pin | (or let you pick it more likely) | smsm42 wrote: | Voice matching? I heard some banks do that. | borski wrote: | Still not perfect ;) | | https://youtu.be/-zVgWpVXb64 | GuB-42 wrote: | Very old timers called this rhetoric. | toomuchtodo wrote: | https://youtu.be/2efhrCxI4J0 | russnewcomer wrote: | I lived in the relatively safe stable part of a war zone as a | foreign civilian for a few years, and had friends who were | frequently in the less safe/less stable parts. | | So much of our modern world is designed for modern | infrastructure, and when that infra falls down, you either have | to do without or accept a level of danger that is probably higher | than the modern world takes, but lower than what our ancestors | 100 years ago took. | armchairhacker wrote: | I wish, if possible, we'd design infrastructure to be much more | resilient to failure to make it slightly less economical. | Resilient =/ economical and nobody's economy is strong enough | to sacrifice almost any of it, but maybe somewhere there's a | compromise... | ltbarcly3 wrote: | The risks of using steel cable for power are going to be | corrosion/rust. The primary way this will cause problems is | around connections, but long term it is also an issue away from | connections. At connections, corrosion can cause the wire to | become loose, something like ox-gard can be used to delay this | significantly. It isn't designed for steel but some kind of | protection must be done at connections or arcing will be a major | risk. Longer term the wire itself will rust, and at some point | the conductive cross section of the wire will be compromised to | the point it overheats and melts. This might be a year and it | might be 100 years depending on factors which are hard to predict | and control. | | TLDR: connections must be protected by some kind of anti | oxidation coating, if you have nothing else use grease but | something designed for electrical connections is better. If you | have nothing else, melt some lead and dip the exposed part of the | wire in that to coat it. Lead should be readily available in a | war zone? Long term the wire WILL melt at some random point along | the wire so it is much better if this wire is kept away from | anything flammable. | [deleted] | MisterTea wrote: | > It isn't designed for steel but some kind of protection must | be done at connections or arcing will be a major risk. | | Not so much arcing but resistance between the terminal and the | wire will increase as a coating of oxide builds up between the | two. Eventually the resistance is high enough that dangerous | amounts of heat will build up and ignite wire insulation or | other flammable materials. What usually happens, is the | conductor was nicked by the electrician during stripping and | that becomes a mechanical weak point that becomes a fuse link | and the wire sometimes just melts off at that point rapidly | without starting a fire and goes open circuit. | | > melt some lead and dip the exposed part of the wire in that | to coat it. | | Plain molten lead isn't going to "wet" the steel wire without | some sort of flux. Rosin flux is made from tree sap of a | conifer tree so go find a pine tree and harvest some sap. | hinkley wrote: | borax? | genewitch wrote: | I would think that's a different type of "flux" as it's | commonly used for cleaning gold and preventing gold from | sticking to the crucible. then again, flux is just an acid, | so who knows. | hinkley wrote: | I've been watching too much blacksmithing on Youtube. It | can be used for laminating iron, that much I do know. Not | sure about brazing. | jaclaz wrote: | You don't really need "rosin flux", the idea is to remove | oxidation, chloridric acid is what was used for tin | soldering, "saturated" with zinc. | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc_chloride#As_a_metallurgic. | .. | | Though I have no idea if either can be found locally. | MisterTea wrote: | > Though I have no idea if either can be found locally. | | Which is specifically why I mentioned rosin. Though any | acid could likely be used so citric acid or something that | could work as well. | hinkley wrote: | > Lead should be readily available in a war zone? | | Goddamn, son. | Gordonjcp wrote: | > The risks of using steel cable for power are going to be | corrosion/rust | | Probably fine in Sudan in late spring, tbh. They have to pump | water up from the ground with electric pumps, hence the need | for cabling, so I guess they don't have much rain right now. | zdragnar wrote: | Sudan gets about 4 inches of rain a year or something like | that. It's obscenely hot (compared to what I am accustomed | to) and dry. For a temporary solution, rust _definitely_ is | not a limiting factor here. | codethief wrote: | Maybe you should post this as an answer/comment in the OP? | cbdumas wrote: | You should post this as an answer to the question on | stackexchange | dheera wrote: | It takes effort to sign-up though. Maybe that should be a | lesson to stackexchange to not require login to post | intelligent content. | wizzwizz4 wrote: | Stack Exchange _doesn 't_ require login to post. It just | requires an email address (and you can provide a fake one, | if you don't have one for whatever reason). | RheingoldRiver wrote: | Btw, OP clarified in a comment that by "for how how long" they | meant distance and not time. They're hoping it's a temporary | solution. | passwordoops wrote: | Great answer. And I love that the TLDR is almost as long as the | main text | ethbr0 wrote: | Out of curiosity, does electron flow influence oxidation speed | at all? | | Or is its speed purely a consequence of temperature + | environmental gases? | pitched wrote: | I've found that having a charged, exposed cable laying around | will start to rust within about 6 months. This is from cheap | phone cables so it being copper-coated instead of full copper | is likely. | | I've also heard of cathodic protection or electronic rust | proofing doing the opposite though? Maybe it has to do with | moving charges vs static charges? Or ground a cable | preventing rust vs charging it accelerates rust? | scotty79 wrote: | Maybe if it warms up the cable it could speed up oxidation? | ethbr0 wrote: | It would. I think that's what most people were figuring. | | And also, assuming it's wrapped but not encased to cabling | standards (e.g. there's oxygen between the insulator and | wire, but the insulator itself is contiguous and airtight), | oxidation would eventually deplete the available oxygen | "inside" the cable, right? | ltbarcly3 wrote: | The plastic on cheap farm cable like this is not going to | be air tight, almost certainly isn't water vapor tight, | and probably isn't even 'rust tight', in that I've seen | rust migrate through plastic coated steel fencing and | accumulate on the outside. I wouldn't count on it for | anything other than making the rust slightly less | obvious. | rsync wrote: | "Out of curiosity, does electron flow influence oxidation | speed at all?" | | Oxidation (and reduction) are _literally electron flows_. | | Oxidation is a loss of electrons and reduction is a gain of | electrons. | | Since the oxidizing material is the anode in this (oxidation | "circuit") you can connect a "sacrificial anode" to the | material you want to preserve and the electrons will flow | from that instead of the (material you want to save). | | We have sacrificial anodes connected to our underground | propane tank: | | http://www.pettank.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/cathode- | pr... | | ... which means a bag of magnesium does all the rusting | instead of the tank they are connected to. | ethbr0 wrote: | My understanding was that the speed of the reaction was | dependent on temperature (and probably pressure/gas mix), | and the electron flow was a byproduct rather than driver of | the chemical reaction. | | But it seems like you can indeed block the reaction from | occuring by saturating the surface with enough electrons | (i.e. by applying an appropriate amount of current) that it | makes oxidation impossible from an electrochemical | standpoint. | | https://www.corrosionpedia.com/definition/1237/impressed- | cur... | | (In addition to the more common, passive bolt-on-a- | sacrifical-cathode method) | jugg1es wrote: | this is an interesting question. Electrical current creates | an EM field that could repel water molecules and oxygen ions. | Temperature could also slow oxidation down... like I'm trying | to imagine a red hot piece of iron rusting. I wouldn't think | it would rust as fast as a cold piece of iron. | zmgsabst wrote: | Anodizing (controlled oxidation) is done via water with a | current through the piece to anodize. | | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIwvLuNzliI | | I'd think that charge would create a faster rusting. | ethbr0 wrote: | High temperature speeds oxidation. Learned as a consequence | of blacksmithing. ;) So red hot iron absolutely rusts, you | just beat the (brittle) oxidation off as you work the | piece. | jugg1es wrote: | learned something today - thanks! | HeyLaughingBoy wrote: | > Temperature could also slow oxidation down | | Gonna have to guess that you've never had to replace a car | exhaust :-) | mauvehaus wrote: | Car exhaust is a weird case though. The water vapor in | the exhaust condenses on the cold metal. If you drive far | enough, you add enough heat to evaporate the water back | out. Else, you end up with a bunch of water in the | exhaust facilitating the rusting. | | In general, you have this problem with cold metal when | there's enough humidity to cause condensation. Bare cast | iron in an unconditioned space under cover will | definitely rust from condensation. | [deleted] | legitster wrote: | God bless the people on Stackexchange who actually answer the | question that is asked instead of scolding you for your idea | being bad or being pedantic about the way you phrased your | question. | | Yes, I want to use jQuery. No, I may not be in an active war | zone. | dghughes wrote: | I think the majority of what I find useful on Stackexcahnge | sites end up being a post locked down but someone manged to | sneak in an answer. | kelnos wrote: | I wouldn't say majority, but I too find a lot of useful | answers on questions that have long-ago been locked down as | "off topic" or "too vague" or "too opinionated" or whatever. | Cherian wrote: | My life was built on people who helped me out like this. | | Tangentially, the real MVP is the home depot guy who helps you | find the one right-sized screw that costs $0.5.... | legitster wrote: | There's no better reminder that only a thimbleful of useful | human knowledge is actually found on the internet. | | I recently spent 4 hours online trying to solve a carpentry | problem and not even knowing what words to use. I finally | called my dad and in less than 2 minutes it was solved. | te0006 wrote: | Now _that_ would be a good, hard challenge for ChatGPT and | its ilk. Could you post question and correct answer here? | Preferrably also something approximating the original | version (when you still didn't know the correct technical | terms). | contingencies wrote: | The communication of solutions to untrained audiences | through the employment of simplified semantics is | definitely an interesting field of linguistics. Visual | smacks of Ikea. | m463 wrote: | I remember the (reasonably-priced) hardware store back home | being full of these guys, and home depot with no help, | selling plastic plumbing supplies. | | I guess home depot has won, and the employees have enough faq | experience to help now. | | Now if home depot sold 80/20 supplies... | ethbr0 wrote: | Interesting story on that, Robert Nardelli (HD CEO 2000-2007) | fired all the ex-tradespeople that Home Depot employed in | their stores, because they cost more than younger and less | experienced labor. | | Straight from the GE "How to mortgage a company's future for | a small boost in the present" book. | | There were also some hilarious anecdotes told about him | refusing to get out of his car in the corporate parking lot | until security met him and escorted him in, presumably | because he understood how much employees disliked him. | | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Nardelli#The_Home_Dep. | .. | tetha wrote: | You also see this in system administration circles/SRE quite a | bit. And I mean, that's one of the important skills you have to | learn in the operative trade: You should push for clean | solutions. You shouldn't use clothesline to transfer power. You | shouldn't use an EOL OS to run systems. | | But as much as you push, sometimes you need to put on the | rubber boots and gloves going up to your shoulders and figure | out a somewhat safe way to run some Windows XP based machine | controller in an environment. Or wrangle some Java 1.6 thing | back into function. Or figure out the least security reduction | to support some old system not supporting modern crypto. | | And yeah, usually the idea is to put trusted isolation layers | around the dumb idea we have to deal with, as the water hose | suggested in the article. | hot_gril wrote: | Ugh. I asked if you could use consumer-grade SSDs with an HP | ProLiant equipped with hardware RAID on one of the | StackExchange sites, forget which. The only response I got | was, "Oh, too cheap to buy the official ones? This website is | for professional sysadmins, it tells you that when you sign | up." Which btw it doesn't say anywhere. | shagie wrote: | There's a substantial difference between the amount of time and | guidance an individual can spend with a single question when | you're on a site that gets 3.9k questions per day and one that | gets 21 (stats from | https://stackexchange.com/sites#questionsperday ) | s1artibartfast wrote: | Thats a reason to not engage if you dont have time. | | It is not a reason to sit down and dismiss away questions or | type out why you wont tell them. | shagie wrote: | Today, most people who are doing curation of Stack Overflow | are not engaging with a question at all. They down vote and | move on as any attempt to help is seen as rude... and just | down voting and moving on is also seen by some as rude... | and not doing anything and having a question get ignored is | also seen as rude or frustrating. | | As there are many fewer people answering questions compared | to the rate of questions being asked the overall "is stack | overflow rude or not" is a "yes." But engagement numbers | are up as people keep asking them. | eitland wrote: | I have said it before I think, that I am sure Stack Overflow | absolutely can, if they want to, reduce the amount of low | quality questions they get. | | The problems Stack Overflow has seems to me to be very much | self inflicted, caused by the decision to optimize for | political games instead of optimizing for solving problems. | shagie wrote: | "If they want to" runs into issues that as a company, | they're measuring their success by engagement. | | Adding that barrier to participation would in turn drive | down engagement and advertisement impressions. | | From the corporate standpoint, doing that (or anything like | it) translates into a loss of revenue. | eitland wrote: | Maybe. Personally I think software engineers are a much | more valuable audience than college kids. | | Also I think a lot of what happened was rampant | deletionism, that I personally can't see any _good_ | reason for with todays storage prices. | shagie wrote: | The issue isn't the storage... but rather the difficulty | of using a search to find a good question that has been | answered. | | Do we need 10,000 questions about how to handle a | NullPointerException in Java? | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/linked/218384?lq=1 | | If not, then it is probably appropriate to delete more of | them and that may be seen as rude by people who have | asked a question about a null pointer exception which | gets deleted. | | We complain about how Google has gotten worse with search | because its harder to find the content that we're | after... and at the same time say that we want to keep | all that content around on Stack Overflow which in turn | makes it harder for people to use it as a "this is where | you look to find an already answered question." | eitland wrote: | Back when the answers were still there and Google still | worked I managed to find them just fine. | | Many others clearly did too as many of the questions they | removed or tried to remove were massively upvoted. | armchairhacker wrote: | Stack Exchange itself is underrated, it's just that Stack | Overflow is really bad. | shagie wrote: | The moderation tools and expected community involvement in | using them was built for a much smaller site with a more | active user base... and it works reasonably. | | When you then add on top of it "engagement" metrics, scale | up the number of questions per day by orders of magnitude | without the corresponding scaling up of the community | involvement and (to an extent) try to _remove_ the ability | for the community to moderate and curate the content then | the tools that are left to the community are the social | ones (as they can be used beyond the limited number of | down, close, and delete votes that one has in a day). | | And then you're left with "the way to handle questions | where the person didn't even put the title into Google to | search first is to be rude to them." It's not a good thing, | but without the barriers to entry being implemented in code | they are erected by reputation and social forces instead. | | It isn't a _good_ thing - and it would probably be much | better if those barriers were put in place through some | other means... but as long as engagement is the measured | metric and ad impressions are the income, having company 's | developers implement it is a non-starter and you're left | with the community using rudeness as the moderation tool of | last resort. | | From A Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy ( | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27706413 ) | | > Four Things to Design For | | > ... | | > 3.) Three, you need some barriers to participation, | however small. This is one of the things that killed | Usenet, because there was almost no barrier to posting, | leading to both generic system failures like spam, and also | specific failures, like constant misogynist attacks in any | group related to feminism, or racist attacks in any group | related to African-Americans. You have to have some cost to | either join or participate, if not at the lowest level, | then at higher levels. There needs to be some kind of | segmentation of capabilities. | | > ... | | > 4.) Finally, you have to find a way to spare the group | from scale. Scale alone kills conversations, because | conversations require dense two-way conversations. In | conversational contexts, Metcalfe's Law-- the number of | connections grows with the square of the number of nodes-- | is a drag. Since the number of potential two-way | conversations in a group grows so much faster than the size | of the group itself, the density of conversation falls off | very fast as the system scales up even a little bit. You | have to have some way to let users hang onto the "less is | more" pattern, in order to keep associated with one | another. | interroboink wrote: | Your phrasing makes it seem like the people answering have | the job of "keep up with the rate of incoming of questions." | So, if there are a lot of incoming questions, they must | reduce quality of feedback, since they are spread thin. | | Personally, when I answer a question it's because I want to, | and feel I can be helpful. I have no skin in the game with | regard to the site's overall ability to keep up with incoming | questions. So, I take as long as I need, and do as much hand- | holding as I feel is appropriate, not governed by external | pressure. | | But I suppose there are professional moderators and such who | really do have that external pressure, and thus have | incentive to give curt feedback, or even to drive people away | -- thus reducing that pressure, making their lives easier. | | As a SO user from the early days, I do miss that feeling of | mostly interacting with people doing it "for the love of it," | rather than governed by efficiency. | shagie wrote: | The ability for you to find a good question to answer is in | part based on the work that other people do in down voting | and closing questions. If you go to the triage queue - | those are questions that are being prevented from showing | up. | | If you go through "newest questions" there are often | questions there that can't be reasonably answered without | more work to figure out what the problem is. | | As I write this, there's a question | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/76123197/is-it- | possible-... which is apparently a Java and Kotlin question | | > Is it possible to achieve Color gradient overlay like | Resso app | | > It's really going to be interesting (big inline image) | | And... is that worth clicking answering in that form? How | much time should you spend trying to make it a better | question that someone else can answer? Or just down vote it | and move on? Would you ask "how does this related to Java?" | or "could you explain a bit more about what you've done so | far and what problems you've encountered?" - and is that | considered rude? | | The corresponding part of it is that people who have their | question down voted without any information may find it | rude. Or if someone suggests a change to the question... | they may find that rude too. | | And some people find not getting a response at all to their | question on a site that is billed as the place to get your | questions answered rather frustrating. | | In order to make it easier for people who want to answer | questions to find questions to answer a lot of questions | don't show up. Poke at the triage review queue and consider | the additional difficulty of finding a question to answer | if those were also present in browsing. | | Note also that there are no professional moderators on SO. | Everyone there is a volunteer... and thus they're burning | out a bit too. While it may be easy to say "well, then they | should take a break" - they do... and more questions of | questionable quality show up in the feed. | | The best way to find good questions to answer is to look at | recently asked the up voted questions (and avoid the down | voted ones)... but down voting is considered to be rude. | | And if you want to help a question by asking a clarifying | comment in there for this one that might be interesting... | and that one... and that one... and do it for ten questions | or so you've spent half an hour... and those comments | trying to get some information about how you should answer | are seen as rude. How much time do you want to spend asking | clarifying questions in comments? | | Ultimately, SO is suffering from issues of scale without | the corresponding tooling to enable people who are trying | to answer to find interesting questions more easily. That's | not an issue on smaller sites where you can read all of a | day's questions over lunch. | interroboink wrote: | > Ultimately, SO is suffering from issues of scale | without the corresponding tooling to enable people who | are trying to answer to find interesting questions more | easily. | | Yes, that seems like a reasonable take. | | I suppose in my imagined ideal reality, people simply | don't answer questions that are not asked well, or that | don't interest them for any other reason, rather than | actively body-slamming those questions. | | If this results in a glut of low-effort questions, then | the site suffers. As a result, the site has an incentive | to provide better tools. | | Right now, volunteers heroically stem the flood of poor | questions by burning themselves out and sometimes getting | bitter. The site still suffers, but in a different, more | pernicious way. | | I looked at a triage queue question just now, and it was | indeed poorly-written. I selected "Needs author edit", | and clicked "Submit". Then, I got a pop-up asking "Why | should this question be closed?" and I was confused. I | don't want to close the question. I don't want to send | that signal to the question writer. I want them to | improve their question, that's all. I canceled the | interaction. So again: agreed about bad tools. | Personally, I choose not to use them. | shagie wrote: | The difficulty that SO has had trouble with is the "then | the site suffers." How do you measure that? They want to | run some A/B test that allows the corresponding | measurement to show that things are better with a change. | | However, it feels that the only way that they've really | accepted measuring it from a sales / marketing view (as | that's what brings in the revenue) is the "engagement" | metric. People signing up, asking questions, and | accessing the site. | | Better moderation tools which would result in fewer but | higher quality questions on the site shows up in that | measurement of engagement as "worse". | | --- | | The part that you encountered is that "if the question | isn't answerable, it should be closed." That in turn | feeds other parts of the system. Users are more likely to | update their questions if they are closed rather than if | they're left open. Other people who answer questions (but | rarely engage in fixing up questions) are less likely to | click on questions that are closed. People that routinely | ask poor questions that get closed start getting | automated warnings about their question quality before | they ask a question and end up with a question ban if | that behavior persists. A closed question without answers | or edits to improve it get automatically deleted after 30 | days. | | Without going in and commenting on a question and then | spending time with the person ("why don't you just answer | it if you think you know the answer rather than | commenting? If you don't like it just don't read it." is | something I've seen many times) closing the question is a | way to suggest improvements to the question without | exposing yourself to users who not infrequently then | pursue a... negative engagement with the person trying to | help them ask a better question. | | I can see about digging more (it's been a long time since | I went looking for it) but _somewhere_ on one of the meta | sites was a post about the different interactions and the | "engagement" metric for new users asking a first | question. | | The best way to not have them ask a second question is to | completely ignore their question - no votes, no comments, | no answers. Closing a question results in more people | asking a second question that is positively received than | having no interaction. | | (late edit - did the digging - | https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/216683/what- | happens... ) | interroboink wrote: | I may be going in circles here, but when you say: | | > The best way to not have them ask a second question is | to completely ignore their question... | | Leaving aside the issues of interpreting that data[1], | and taking your conclusion at face value: | | I get the sense that you imply this is a bad thing. But | is it? | | I agree that if the ultimate goal is "boost engagement | metrics," then it's a bad thing. I suppose I just don't | agree with that being the ultimate goal. And I sure | wouldn't mind if other people in the community de- | prioritized that goal, too. My opinion here applies to | much about the modern internet landscape, to be fair (: | | [1] eg: was their choice to ask a second question _caused | by_ a particular interaction? Or maybe users that ask | second questions are more likely to ask a good first | question, or other explanations and confounding factors? | By another reading of it, we could say users who got | their first question closed were 2x as likely to leave | permanently than those who had no interaction (and this | applies to over 2x as many users, so is even bigger in | absolute terms). It 's rather muddy. | rareitem wrote: | It's like we're living in a parallel reality in 1st world | countries | kranke155 wrote: | Fly to Brazil, take a cab around Central Sao Paulo. | | Your understanding of the world is warped by the safety and | availability of goods. It's incredible when you get in places | where the state doesn't function at let's say 50% of what we | get in the first world. It's one hell of a learning experience. | doodlesdev wrote: | > Fly to Brazil, take a cab around Central Sao Paulo. | | Better yet, don't. | | source: Am Brazilian, would not recommend it. | | To be fair, Central Sao Paulo isn't even what I would | consider third world yet, if you really wanna see how good | some of us have it go to the northeast of Brazil, or | Venezuela (if you manage to get in somehow). | zubiaur wrote: | In the grand scheme of things, even rural-ish northeast | Brazil is not thaaat bad. Venezuela though... oh boy. | sbierwagen wrote: | Getting into Venezuela is easy, getting back out again is | the hard part. | bsimpson wrote: | I was recently in northern Vietnam. You could spend an hour | having a simple conversation via Google Translate. | | Made me realize there are still big chunks of the world where | you can't take basic literacy for granted in 2023, even of | people in their 30s. | mrguyorama wrote: | 50% of Americans cannot read at a highschool level. | KMnO4 wrote: | Still a lot, but 22% of Americans are children | [deleted] | gota wrote: | I don't understand this. Sao Paulo is mostly | indistinguishable from any large city in the US. Big | concrete-and-glass buildings city centre, lots of traffic- | related infrastructure, large swaths of residential areas | including richer suburbs and poorer ghettos ('favelas', in | Brazil). Are there any large cities that do not conform to | this formula? | | What are you referring to, specifically? | | The only thing that comes to mind are the homeless | population, but then again you could say the same problem | (and at arguably larger scale) afflicts San Francisco or New | York. | | Sao Paulo is not even particularly violent, too | elzbardico wrote: | Downtown Sao Paulo, or the central zone is a decadent part | of the city (think Bronx in 70s). It is overrun with | Cracolandia (big gathering of crack addict homeless | people). Most foreign people or even Brazilians that go to | Sao Paulo stay only at the nice zones. | hinkley wrote: | See also Baudrillard. | piloto_ciego wrote: | We are. | | I was an exchange student in Ukraine in high school and the | town I lived in periodically gets shelled now... we live | immensely privileged and comfortable lives. | | This is not a bad thing, it's great, but we should try to make | everyone else's life as good instead of hoarding our | privileges. | mrguyorama wrote: | It's not privilege, millions of people have died defending | the right to not be invaded by an asshole neighbor. Don't | forget the price people have paid. Some places seem to be | less interested in that, because they want to invade their | neighbor, and we should be aggressively hostile to that very | concept, and anyone who espouses the belief. | borski wrote: | Unless _you or your family_ were the ones that fought, it | is privilege. Privilege isn't a "bad word," either - it's | okay to have privilege. But acknowledging it's existence | goes a long way toward building humility and understanding | the situation of others who don't have it. | seizethecheese wrote: | Define family. Because most Americans are descendants of | war veterans. | kelnos wrote: | I mean, so what? If one of my ancestors fought in a war | defending their/my country's freedom, I don't get to | claim credit for what they did. I am privileged that | those ancestors made the sacrifice they did and don't | have to fight in a war myself. | borski wrote: | Precisely. | borski wrote: | You are intentionally missing the point. The pedantic | definition of family is a strawman, in this case. | majou wrote: | Is it not "be privileged" or to "have privileges"? It's | not as though it were quantifiable--"privilege checks" | (the decade old boogeymeme) notwithstanding. | borski wrote: | Not sure I understand what you mean. I am saying it is | good to acknowledge the privileges you have, and/or the | fact that you are privileged. Not everybody has | privileges, or is privileged, or however you'd like to | describe it. | kelnos wrote: | > _It 's not privilege, millions of people have died | defending the right to not be invaded by an asshole | neighbor._ | | Yes, and benefiting from that -- without having had to | fight in those conflicts -- is a privilege. | [deleted] | tasuki wrote: | > It's not privilege | | Why is it not privilege? What is privilege? | robotresearcher wrote: | > Don't forget the price people have paid. | | i.e. recognize that you are privileged, since others paid | the price on your behalf. | ricardobayes wrote: | I definitely feel like that sometimes. I'm so grateful my | "problems" are choosing between polarized and regular | sunglasses. | [deleted] ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2023-04-27 23:00 UTC)