[HN Gopher] Of Sun Ray laptops, MIPS and getting root on them
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       Of Sun Ray laptops, MIPS and getting root on them
        
       Author : zdw
       Score  : 82 points
       Date   : 2023-04-27 02:36 UTC (1 days ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (oldvcr.blogspot.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (oldvcr.blogspot.com)
        
       | msh wrote:
       | I loved the sun ray thin clients. They had them at my university
       | in the early 2000 and i have not seen a better thin client
       | solution since.
        
       | neilv wrote:
       | Earlier, Sun made a luggable with distinctive Sun design:
       | https://thegogglesdonothing.com/archives/2011/10/replacing_t...
        
         | classichasclass wrote:
         | (author) The Voyager is neat, though for obvious reasons I
         | consider it a portable workstation. I still like the Solbourne
         | S3000 most in that category of systems. The Voyager is pretty
         | and in colour, but the S3000 has that flaring gas plasma
         | display that can heat and light a room. :)
        
           | neilv wrote:
           | Photo comparisons of Solbourne and Voyager:
           | 
           | http://www.sonic.net/~coad/s3000/index.html
           | 
           | The orange display is classic. Is it the same tech as in that
           | Toshiba laptop, and that HP luggable?
        
             | tyingq wrote:
             | There were a few with gas plasma screens. I know the
             | "Compaq Portable 386" had one, and the IBM PS/2 Model P70
             | and P75.
        
             | classichasclass wrote:
             | Not sure exactly which model you mean, but those might have
             | been electroluminescent and the S3000 is gas plasma, so
             | different display technology.
             | 
             | In answer to the page author, yes, the S3000 had a matching
             | case. Even places to store the cables and the optical mouse
             | pad. A very stylish black nylon job.
        
       | mwcampbell wrote:
       | Reading about Sun Ray reminds me of Bryan Cantrill's oldest
       | online DTrace talk [1], particularly the story of how a GNOME 2
       | stock ticker applet overloaded a Sun Ray Server, and how Bryan
       | used DTrace to find the culprit.
       | 
       | [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgmA48fILq8
        
       | sgt wrote:
       | > Larry "Destroyer of Worlds" Ellison
       | 
       | Still upset about that.
        
         | jacquesm wrote:
         | Makers of evil maniac movies will never run out of role models
         | on planet Earth.
        
         | sillywalk wrote:
         | FTA: "What the Larry Ellison!"
        
       | kotaKat wrote:
       | This reminds me -- if one wanted to get back into running an old
       | Sun Ray system, where the heck do you get compatible smartcards?
        
         | classichasclass wrote:
         | (author) You don't need them, strictly speaking; you can "just
         | login." In fact, I only just got a set recently myself.
         | However, any ISO-7816 compliant card _should_ work. The part
         | number on my real Sun cards is 370-4333 (specifically
         | 370-4333-03, 72835).
        
           | kotaKat wrote:
           | Does that include if I want to go back to running a full Sun
           | Ray server on Linux beyond kOpenRay?
           | 
           | (I got a stupidly good deal on a 3i that needs to sit on my
           | desk.)
        
             | classichasclass wrote:
             | Yes, it worked fine just logging in with a user name and
             | password to my Solaris 10 SRSS installation. No card
             | necessary.
        
               | kotaKat wrote:
               | Oh, no no no no -- I want to go full-on card-mode. The
               | roaming concepts are fascinating to me.
        
       | foobarian wrote:
       | Heh, didn't realize they eventually made a Sunray laptop. Since
       | that site doesn't have pics here is the Wiki page with some
       | pictures of the desktop thin client:
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Ray
       | 
       | IIRC it used some custom UDP-based protocol that worked
       | astonishingly well compared to stuff running over TCP at the time
       | (X, VNC, etc.)
        
         | classichasclass wrote:
         | (author) Right, Application Link Protocol/ALP. jOpenRay and my
         | light "treason" fork kOpenRay are open-source
         | reimplementations, though they still need a lot of work.
        
       | getoffmyyawn wrote:
       | In the middle of winter 2000, I was sent to Sun's "Super
       | Training" campus in Broomfield, CO. It was a nice little campus
       | and upon registration I was handed an access card that I could
       | slot into any Sun Ray on the campus and access the same
       | persistent desktop.
       | 
       | There were little clusters of Sun Rays all around the campus and
       | I was very impressed with the system. It was nice to have a
       | personal desktop environment I could customize and use for the 2
       | weeks that I was there.
        
       | jiveturkey wrote:
       | > The touch pad isn't fabulous
       | 
       | I swear, the best part of a Mac laptop may be its unmatched touch
       | pad.
       | 
       | This is an absolutely fantastic post. Nostalgically inspiring,
       | and to my reading intensely interesting even if you weren't
       | previously aware of this technology. I doubt the contextual info
       | could have been independently researched without having lived
       | through the era. The author appears to run a gopher (!!) server
       | so likely he is an old ~fart~ historian, not a young enthusiast.
       | 
       | The website could use a modern styling update though. It would be
       | much more approachable. It's not all large font size, excessive
       | whitespace, and low contrast for the sake of regressing towards
       | the mean of unusable mediocrity. That said, reader mode makes it
       | all good.
        
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       | thomasjb wrote:
       | This was an extremely interesting read, especially finding out
       | that perhaps the router chip is the real power onboard. Got me
       | scouring ebay for old Sun hardware
        
         | classichasclass wrote:
         | (author) Hey, thanks! The 2N is Japan-only, but they turn up on
         | Yahoo! Japan from time to time, though unfortunately for stupid
         | money usually. I was lucky with this unit. The Gobi isn't very
         | common either however.
         | 
         | If you just want a Sun Ray laptop, the Tadpole M1400 (sometimes
         | mislabeled by sellers as a Compal FT-01, since that's the OEM
         | system it was derived from) is not hard to find with a little
         | patience, but it's "just" a Celeron system so it's not nearly
         | as interesting.
        
       | jandrese wrote:
       | That is a truly bonkers system design. I am in awe at the
       | excessive complexity introduced just to reuse some obscure failed
       | Sun hardware.
        
         | dfox wrote:
         | I suspect that this truly bizarre design was motivated by how
         | the Sun-provided SunRay firmware could be extended without
         | rewriting the thing outright (and running ALP client as an
         | userspace process on a real OS as was done in later SunRay
         | laptops).
        
       | bitwize wrote:
       | > False starts like NeWS aside,
       | 
       | You've just activated Don Hopkins's trap card!
        
       | cduzz wrote:
       | I wonder if mentioning "Kibo"[1] will summon him as it did in the
       | days before the endless summer?
       | 
       | [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Parry
        
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