[HN Gopher] Remove "This incident will be reported." from user w...
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       Remove "This incident will be reported." from user warnings
        
       Author : sohkamyung
       Score  : 365 points
       Date   : 2023-04-29 12:25 UTC (10 hours ago)
        
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       | barnbuilder wrote:
       | Social media communities really ought to observe a "leave no
       | trace" rule with respect to GitHub and other such spaces. This
       | commit from February 2022 is now as of today littered with a
       | bunch of joke comments from being linked from here and previously
       | somewhere else earlier (based on timestamps).
        
         | calebegg wrote:
         | > Social media communities really ought to observe a [...] rule
         | 
         | Oh honey....
        
       | seydor wrote:
       | They could at least have the option to report it to Santa
        
       | juliangmp wrote:
       | This makes me weirdly sad
        
         | rbanffy wrote:
         | Same. I like the surreally enigmatic message.
        
       | DonHopkins wrote:
       | Why can't I report all those idiots posting the letter "F" in
       | github comments? ;)
        
         | chewbaxxa wrote:
         | They are just paying their respects.
        
           | Symbiote wrote:
           | What does F mean?
        
             | drexlspivey wrote:
             | It's a call of duty meme, at some point your character is
             | at a funeral and F is the action button and there is a
             | prompt on the casket "press F to pay respects"
        
         | cobbal wrote:
         | It's a low-effort addition to the dialogue, but it is a
         | legitimate communication of a viewpoint. Who gets to draw the
         | line of which comments should be nuked? (My view, the repo
         | owner should (and maybe already has that power))
        
           | tedunangst wrote:
           | Why would somebody care about low effort dialog more than a
           | year after the commit?
        
         | klyrs wrote:
         | Request a "F" emoji reaction instead.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | pimlottc wrote:
         | For those who may not be aware:
         | 
         | https://amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/press-f-to-pay-respects
        
         | jon-wood wrote:
         | Strong agree on that. One person doing so was possibly amusing,
         | everyone else jumping on the wagon is just irritating noise,
         | and I'm not even responsible for trying to sift through that
         | for legitimate feedback.
        
           | shadowgovt wrote:
           | The point of the joke is that it's a bandwagon joke.
        
       | 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
       | LGTM. The incident might not be reported, so that message may not
       | be accurate.
        
       | seanhunter wrote:
       | Thank goodness. That was a terrible message. I remember my very
       | first experience with unix was setting up Red Hat 3.0.3[1] at
       | work for a small internet company in like 1997 and getting that
       | message and just not knowing what on earth to do. There was noone
       | in my company who could help me and all I had was a unix book
       | from my local library which didn't even cover linux (but I sort
       | of thought it would be helpful).
       | 
       | [1] With the legendary 1.2.13 kernel
        
         | johnisgood wrote:
         | "This incident will be logged" may have been better.
        
           | rbanffy wrote:
           | "Your transgression has been noted and punishment may be
           | dispensed accordingly".
        
             | lamontcg wrote:
             | "A disapproving God has noted your infraction, and Santa
             | Claus has added an entry on the naughty list for you"
        
               | rbanffy wrote:
               | "There will be consequences"
        
       | abnry wrote:
       | Funny story. When I was in grad school, the math department
       | office I was in had Linux computers administrated by the
       | department. One day I was goofing in my shared office with a
       | fellow grad student by playing with what resources were
       | available.
       | 
       | We were trying sudo and failed with enough silly passwords that
       | we got the "this incident will be reported" message. I
       | confidently told my officemate that these messages were never
       | saved and recorded.
       | 
       | A few moments later, from our open office door (which I assume
       | meant all our conversation was able to be overheard), our IT lady
       | from down the hall came in and said to me "Download the internet,
       | really?"
       | 
       | Because yes, I did type, while not saying I was doing so, "sudo
       | DOWNLOAD THE INTERNET" into the terminal while goofing.
       | 
       | Funny story but I did feel a bit embarrassed at the time.
        
         | nailer wrote:
         | To be fair in 2023, a lot of people are building LLMs and
         | starting with downloading the internet.
        
           | deusum wrote:
           | Save a lot of time and space by doing an rm -rf first
        
             | adolph wrote:
             | sudo !!
        
         | stilley2 wrote:
         | I once entered 'sudo echo hi" or something similar on a large
         | HPCC and received an email back from a sysadmin that just said
         | "hello".
        
           | 1lint wrote:
           | That's an amusing anecdote, though I find it bothersome the
           | sysadmin failed to correctly implement the echo command
        
           | ww520 wrote:
           | There's the talk command on Unix. We used to do a 'who' to
           | find out who're on the system and 'talk' to them.
        
             | tryauuum wrote:
             | also                 wall(1)
        
               | andrewSC wrote:
               | Also w(1)
        
         | ww520 wrote:
         | Speaking of interaction with the admin. Back in the days when I
         | was in school, the computer lab ran a Honeywell mainframe with
         | terminals. I wrote a program emulating the logon screen to
         | intercept the username and password of the unsuspecting
         | students logging on and to email them to me. I was going to
         | post the list of all the usernames and passwords at the end of
         | the semester on the wall. I dubbed it the Fishing project with
         | my friends (yes, that's before all the phishing activities went
         | rampant).
         | 
         | I collected dozens of usernames and passwords before the
         | professor of my CS class stopped me one day after class and
         | said, you better stop whatever you're doing. Apparently the
         | system saved the typing of all sessions and the admin actually
         | went through all of them.
         | 
         | The next semester all the terminals had a physical switch
         | installed that had to be pressed to reset the terminal before
         | logon. That killed any running program. I was glad to play a
         | small part in improving the security of my school lab.
        
           | doctor_eval wrote:
           | That's quite similar to my story. While at high school, I
           | wrote an innocent program to open the terminals at the nearby
           | college for chat sessions - nothing nefarious. The sysadm saw
           | what I did and realised I could use it to phish passwords.
           | Next time I went to use the computer lab, the terminals were
           | locked down.
           | 
           | Showing my age but this would have been 1984 or so... a
           | remarkably early contribution to security?
        
       | elashri wrote:
       | I remember the first time to have this message was at my first
       | time using CERN lxplus during my undergrad. I was worried that
       | people will think I am stupid to try "sudo apt-get" there. It was
       | a mistake as I had several terminal sessions and forgot which one
       | was the local.
       | 
       | Anyway fast forward today. I know the answer to the question to
       | whom usually this notification gets sent. They forward it via
       | SMTP server to the person on computing shift (at least for some
       | of the experiments) based on the experiment this person (who
       | tried sudo) account belongs too. probably also some IT email.
       | 
       | Anyway it is stressful for new and young people. but honestly I
       | never read them. I have email rule to put them inside specific
       | folder I don't usually open.
        
         | bee_rider wrote:
         | The first time I saw this message I was on my own danged system
         | and I was still momentarily alarmed, hahaha. Common sense
         | asserted itself pretty quickly of course.
        
       | justinator wrote:
       | So no one checks these reports?
       | 
       | No wonder we've had so many high profile breaches.
       | 
       | Maybe this is what all those layoffs are about.
        
         | steeleyespan wrote:
         | A+ joke.
        
           | DocTomoe wrote:
           | Only low-key, though. A sysadmin not monitoring authlog /
           | admin-mail is a huge security smell.
           | 
           | The fact that our infrastructure STINKS of this is one of the
           | major indications we do not take security seriously.
        
             | bee_rider wrote:
             | Fortunately we solved this; we don't have any system admin
             | to not watch these logs.
        
       | moogly wrote:
       | My favorite message I got in Ubuntu in 2008 (I still have a
       | screenshot of it):
       | 
       | > Could not grab your mouse.
       | 
       | > A malicious client may be eavesdropping on your session or you
       | may have just clicked a menu or some application just decided to
       | get focus.
       | 
       | > Try again.
       | 
       | > [Close]
        
         | IshKebab wrote:
         | I suspect a lot of readers here will not understand what's
         | hilarious about this.
        
         | kmeisthax wrote:
         | I remember getting something similar-sounding on modern Ubuntu
         | a few weeks ago.
        
         | bvinc wrote:
         | This sounds like an xwindows thing. The way popup menu windows
         | work in x, is the program grabs all keyboard and mouse events.
        
       | raverbashing wrote:
       | Yeah I think nobody checked any reports since a good 25 years
       | now.
        
       | ec109685 wrote:
       | One of the most privileged processes on the system and no unit or
       | functional tests need to be updated with this change. Sigh.
        
         | enw wrote:
         | This always surprises me.
         | 
         | How come there are seemingly zero tests for what's essentially
         | critical infrastructure?
         | 
         | How do you make sure things keep working? How do you prevent
         | regressions as team members change and tribal knowledge and
         | intuition is lost? How do you ensure all future humans working
         | on the project can make meaningful changes with confidence?
        
       | nixcraft wrote:
       | Boy, I made so many memes around sudo. I can't believe they
       | removed it. I mean, sudo does log messages in /var/log/secure or
       | /var/log/auth.log on Linux when something fails or is executed
       | successfully, depending on security policies. The default on most
       | distro is to log messages.
        
       | shadowgovt wrote:
       | Can't be done. That program is in the fossil record; change the
       | error message and you're going to break a thousand unknown
       | workflows that are relying on detecting that string (because
       | string detection is the only solution they have to get nuanced
       | information on the nature of the error).
       | 
       | ETA: Oh wait it was actually committed? Color me surprised.
        
         | chaxor wrote:
         | Yeah I _relied_ on that over heating to occur when pressing
         | Ctrl for too long :D
         | 
         | (Hopefully someone understands the reference)
        
           | encodedrose wrote:
           | https://xkcd.com/1172/ !!
        
       | remram wrote:
       | (February 2022)
        
       | klyrs wrote:
       | I've always been amused by this, because I usually get it on
       | single user systems (mine own) without mail. It makes me picture
       | some shady office in a bunker in central Nevada, where
       | undeliverable incident reports end up in dusty filing cabinets,
       | indexed by incorrect passwords.
        
       | jamal-kumar wrote:
       | For those wondering where the reports go, under systemd-based
       | linux distributions ideally you can get them with this:
       | sudo journalctl /bin/sudo
       | 
       | Historically speaking however the sysadmin with access to the
       | 'mail' command would be able to run that and see mail delivered
       | to root@localhost for these reports. I think at least OpenBSD
       | still does things this way [1], but they moved away from sudo
       | YEARS ago now [2]
       | 
       | [1] https://man.openbsd.org/security.8
       | 
       | [2] https://man.openbsd.org/doas
        
         | evilspammer wrote:
         | I haven't used journalctl in a while - do you mind explaining
         | how it works with a binary path? Does it report all system
         | logging that came from that executable, as if it were a service
         | file?
        
           | teddyh wrote:
           | The systemd journal logs not only raw strings and priorities
           | (like legacy syslog), but a large number of metadata fields
           | for each message. One of these fields is the name of the
           | executable which generated the message. The command
           | journalctl /bin/su
           | 
           | can, to avoid ambiguity, also be written as
           | journalctl _EXE=/bin/su
           | 
           | See systemd.journal-fields(7) for more information: https://m
           | anpages.debian.org/stable/systemd/systemd.journal-f...
        
         | dingledork69 wrote:
         | Or you set up your system so mail for root gets redirected to
         | an smtp server with an actual inbox read by actual people
        
           | jamal-kumar wrote:
           | Yeah, I kind of lament them removing this warning if I'm
           | going to be honest. It feels like something such as that
           | should be more common best practice.
           | 
           | Of course decent log collection/monitoring should also be
           | able to catch authlog stuff and alert accordingly and I'm
           | sure most organizations rely on solutions like that instead
           | of letting things get lost in email
        
             | stefncb wrote:
             | It's only removed if sudo doesn't send mail. It still warns
             | if it's relevant.
        
               | can16358p wrote:
               | Isn't it leaking detail about internal policy about
               | whether incorrect sudoing is getting reported or not
               | though?
        
               | freedomben wrote:
               | Is there more to the change than the linked commit?
               | Because if not, looking at the code change I don't see
               | how you could possibly be correct. There is no additional
               | logic/branching that could be checking whether sudo sends
               | mail or not, just a string change.
        
               | TaylorAlexander wrote:
               | It was added back in a later commit but only prints if
               | the mail is configured.
        
               | freedomben wrote:
               | Nice, thanks that's very useful info
        
               | bo0tzz wrote:
               | This is correct, and was added back a few weeks later in
               | https://github.com/sudo-
               | project/sudo/commit/9757d29a24ac1872...
        
               | electroly wrote:
               | This is a pretty short diff and it clearly does NOT do
               | that, unless you're saying they went back later in
               | another commit to add this. They removed the message in
               | all situations. The string "This incident will be
               | reported" has been removed from the source code; it could
               | not possibly print that message now.
        
               | simse wrote:
               | The warning is added back here: https://github.com/sudo-
               | project/sudo/commit/9757d29a24ac1872...
        
               | fafqg wrote:
               | This doesn't seem to be correct.
        
             | asveikau wrote:
             | I feel like that warning comes right out of the era of
             | multi-user machines with unprivileged shell accounts. That
             | era is largely gone. Today, someone, possibly a less
             | knowledgeable user, runs sudo on their single user laptop
             | that they completely own outright, and may get confused who
             | they're being "reported" to.
        
               | jamal-kumar wrote:
               | Funny if you live in a free country
               | 
               | Potentially terrifying if you don't
        
               | wkat4242 wrote:
               | To themselves of course. That's pretty clear.
               | 
               | But there is a renewed focus on corporate laptops to
               | remove admin rights on windows. Not really because the
               | user is not being trusted, but because malware has a lot
               | more options for bypassing EDR/antimalware and
               | persistence when it runs with admin rights.
               | 
               | I'm sure this will come to Linux too at some point.
        
           | ctoth wrote:
           | Completely this, I was so confused by OP because naturally
           | this is how my playbooks configure my systems.
        
             | jamal-kumar wrote:
             | I think this is mostly relevant to how confused and
             | sometimes downright mortified it makes new users of sudo
             | when they encounter it
             | 
             | In other words, don't think well-configured ansible
             | playbooks are most people's first exposure to linux
             | although it does sound like you're doing things right which
             | is nice to hear
        
           | jimmaswell wrote:
           | I was surprised to start getting emails about my cron tasks
           | once I set up my mail server. It's neat.
        
             | prmoustache wrote:
             | I've always felt it was a very bad practice not to do it.
             | 
             | In a lot of companies but one they avoided it for fear of
             | receiving emails. On that only company that did it, we made
             | sure that mailbox was clean by actually having a look when
             | cron scripts were crapping out or when users failed sudo
             | repeatedly and contacted the users. It was a much better
             | housekeeping than log on a box and see there are hundreds
             | of unread emails but dismissing it like most do.
        
               | evilspammer wrote:
               | I think it's a fear of _sending_ emails. You could
               | accidentally trigger a cronjob that sends a bunch of
               | emails and gets you put on spam filters. Error reporting
               | for cron is, of course, important; but the builtin email
               | reporting is best used for the local machine/network. A
               | more flexible and robust solution calls out to an API
               | that handles transactional emails/push notifications with
               | debouncing, escalation policies, etc.
        
       | trollingagain wrote:
       | The infringement has been backtraced and you will be reported to
       | the cyberpolice
        
       | wolfd wrote:
       | When I was in uni, the computer science school actually did
       | occasionally check these reports. Specifically, a guy named Chris
       | checked them. Some friends of mine apparently used this to send
       | him messages.
       | 
       | `sudo hi chris`
        
         | gvurrdon wrote:
         | Similarly, at a place I used to work, messages such as "sudo
         | echo 'Hey John, please would you chmod -R a+r on
         | /storage/data/filename.txt, thanks!'" were used. This usually
         | resulted in irate "Stop that! You have to submit a ticket!"
         | emails.
        
       | nickdothutton wrote:
       | This would make a great (inaccurate) clickbait story about how
       | millenials (or insert group) found the message too
       | confronting/authoritarian.
        
       | its-summertime wrote:
       | Stressful message to see back when I was a clueless child. I'm
       | glad its getting removed.
        
         | bqmjjx0kac wrote:
         | I had a similar reaction to Windows 95's "An illegal operation
         | has occurred." I remember wondering whether the police were on
         | their way.
        
           | nullc wrote:
           | A friend of mine ran a multi-line BBS out of his home when he
           | lived with his parents.
           | 
           | One day he came home and his parents sat him down to discuss
           | the "illegal activities" he was up to with the computers. He
           | was sweating bullets about the secret warez section of the
           | BBS until eventually he figured out that it was due to an
           | illegal operation crash message!
           | 
           | (In that case it was probably desqview rather than windows)
        
           | sergiomattei wrote:
           | My brother pulled this prank on me when I was first learning
           | batch file.
           | 
           | I thought I was going to jail.
        
           | glhaynes wrote:
           | I got my first computer when I was about 6. It would boot to
           | BASIC if there wasn't a floppy disk inserted. I typed
           | something random and got back "SYNTAX ERROR". I wasn't old
           | enough to know what either sin or taxes were, but my
           | impression was they were both real bad.
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | jon-wood wrote:
           | Way back when my Dad worked from home, and had what I think
           | was a Macintosh Classic II provided by his employer. I'd
           | occasionally be allowed to play the games on it, mostly the
           | pair matching one, which on one occasion crashed. Back then
           | the crash dialog featured an icon of a bomb with the fuse
           | lit, which caused me to panic thinking I'd caused the
           | computer to blow up. Thankfully I hadn't, and I believe that
           | computer is still in his attic somewhere.
        
           | Kye wrote:
           | I have genuinely had to reassure panicked relatives over
           | this.
        
       | shpx wrote:
       | Next step is to remove users/groups/sudo from Linux/UNIX
       | entirely. I'm one person using the computer, running software I
       | trust. I don't need it.
        
         | mnd999 wrote:
         | I suspect if you look in your passwd file you'll find lots of
         | users. Does nginx really need to read the files in your home
         | directory?
        
           | bmacho wrote:
           | Why, yes. Imagine you are in flow, and you want to show a
           | file to nginx, but you can't. Better give root (and user)
           | rights to nginx when you set up your system.
        
           | scraptor wrote:
           | Very few computers running nginx have human user accounts
           | with more than dotfiles in the home directory. Meanwhile
           | desktops run everything on the same account because defining
           | usable security policies between users is basically
           | impossible.
        
         | sph wrote:
         | Just login as root. Not that I'd recommend it.
        
         | radiator wrote:
         | So ...puppy Linux?
        
       | lxe wrote:
       | The "this incident will be reported" message always struck me as
       | having the same vibe as the "provided by the management for your
       | protection" labels they have on toilet seat covers.
        
       | Buttons840 wrote:
       | Can someone share even _one_ story where sudo reporting these
       | "incidents" was helpful?
       | 
       | This feature seems to come from a world where elite hackers
       | simply repeat the same sudo command over and over hoping it will
       | eventually work.
        
         | gtirloni wrote:
         | _> Can someone share even one story where sudo reporting these
         | "incidents" was helpful?_
         | 
         | No, not a single one.
        
           | rbanffy wrote:
           | "And, if we did, we'd have to kill you."
        
         | hoodmane wrote:
         | Yes. More or less the first time I used Linux was on a fedora
         | workstation at my desk at MIT. The very nice sysadmin down the
         | hall sent me an email just a bit later saying "We see you were
         | trying to install x program. We installed it for you." I
         | understand that this is a very rare experience but the first
         | time I saw that message, a helpful person _was_ actually
         | looking at these reports.
        
           | hutzlibu wrote:
           | Does this kind of sysadmin still exists? (or do they even
           | still have the freedom to be so kind?)
           | 
           | I cannot really imagine that happening today, at least not in
           | "professional" context.
        
             | stcg wrote:
             | It still happens, a fellow student and friend of mine got
             | this response ('installed it for you') about two years ago
             | at Radboud University Nijmegen after entering `sudo apt
             | install nasm`
        
         | vulcan01 wrote:
         | I have a small server that some of my friends have accounts on.
         | When they accidentally (or not!) try to use sudo (often this
         | happens with a "curl | sh" thing) I like to be informed.
        
       | throwaway892238 wrote:
       | There's no need to update the copyright year, but I do like it as
       | a canary to tell somebody the file has been updated lately.
        
       | hardlianotion wrote:
       | Aw - can't we just make it configurable?
        
       | pram wrote:
       | I was always disappointed it never summoned some grumpy graybeard
       | unix admin from a dark server room basement to give me a chiding
       | lecture.
        
         | tomatodevice wrote:
         | I receive mails from sudo incidents generated by my users, I
         | check the boxes except the gray beard.
        
           | bee_rider wrote:
           | I shave, I try to keep my demeanor as gray as possible.
        
           | bonzini wrote:
           | What about the red dress and flying reindeer?
        
         | duxup wrote:
         | I would have taken the opportunity to ask them a few questions.
         | 
         | But that's probably why they don't come out to lecture.
        
         | john_shafthair wrote:
         | https://web.archive.org/web/20180426220342if_/http://assets....
        
         | themodelplumber wrote:
         | I got a chiding lecture like that from some skinny UUG-type
         | security admins, by manually shutting down my HP-UX workstation
         | in a university CS lab. I had reached behind it and flipped the
         | power switch.
         | 
         | I tried to flip it back on just afterward, to resume my
         | business (lol) but found that my login was blocked with a
         | message...come up to security in room 300-something and talk to
         | us to get your account un-suspended.
         | 
         | The issue leading to the frantic shutdown goes as follows:
         | 
         | I had been browsing some of JWZ's online journals in
         | Netscape...the old about:jwz trick.
         | 
         | Within those pages, there's a linked audio clip of the fake
         | *rgasm scene from "When Harry Met Sally".
         | 
         | I clicked on the link not realizing what would happen, and of
         | course this passionate audio clip played at more or less full
         | volume to a computer lab full of university students from
         | China.
         | 
         | (They were extremely "I didn't notice that" about the whole
         | thing, but I was beet red and frantically scanning the room for
         | anyone who I could possibly nervously laugh with...)
         | 
         | Back then Netscape didn't show any audio controls that I could
         | find anywhere when clips like that played, which was also a
         | really frustrating part of this. I guess it just handed off the
         | audio to some process which I could have found via `top` if I
         | had the time.
         | 
         | There was also an internal speaker, nothing with a manual
         | volume control. Great!
         | 
         | Anyway, I went upstairs, got my lecture about other people who
         | could have had sessions terminated while working on the same
         | workstation, got the login back, and fortunately none of the
         | Chinese students seemed to have let my er..._BYU_ CS security
         | admins...know about the situation in the lab. lol.
         | 
         | (No longer a practicing Mormon; still think CDE is cool)
         | 
         | Edit: Just for the memories...at the same time, I had a PT job
         | doing university IT support on a Novell network, and we
         | supported, among other places (the MTC, the laundry, Creamery--
         | PHEW those amazing chocolate malt shakes--but not so phew the
         | time the creamery's huge 1K+ gal. milk vats leaked and there
         | was a foot of standing milk in our PCs there, etc.), the
         | married student housing computer labs.
         | 
         | Colloquially labeled by my boss and others as the "rabbit
         | hutches"...
         | 
         | This was still pretty early days for the web, and I remember
         | periodically getting frantic voicemails from newly-married
         | folks.
         | 
         | A common version of the voice message would be something like,
         | "Hi, uh...I was in the married student housing lab...trying to
         | book airline tickets for my husband to fly home and see his
         | mom...anyway (tearful quivering voice starts)...russian porn
         | came up I guess? I mean I am just guessing...uh, so
         | anyway...(crying harder, phew)...the lab assistant gave me your
         | number, and here's my number, if we need to talk about this or
         | anything, call me I guess?"
         | 
         | I can't imagine what those students must have felt when the lab
         | assistant just shrugged their shoulders regarding "what to do
         | about this" and gave them somebody's office number to call. Up
         | the chain with you!
         | 
         | Gestapo-level perceptions would always tend to kick in at that
         | point...and you had to maintain an ecclesiastical endorsement
         | to continue studies there, so this was a pretty big deal.
         | Anything involving porn was always at the potentially-
         | terminate-your-entire-university-experience level.
         | 
         | (Often the calls to those labs were pretty funny though. Like a
         | toddler put a dorito inside of a CD-ROM drive, bring your
         | hemostat, things like that. Afterward we'd get a Jamba Juice,
         | or get a free cafeteria meal from a really nice food-services
         | manager, chat about Everquest, etc.)
        
           | astrange wrote:
           | > the married student housing computer labs.
           | 
           | This is a good garden-path sentence.
        
           | themadturk wrote:
           | They have a pretty amazing creamery at Washington State
           | University as well... have a milkshake after lunch, you won't
           | need dinner. Go Cougs!
        
           | zubairshaik wrote:
           | What does UUG stand for? That's the only acronym that ChatGPT
           | didn't give me a guess for from your comment.
           | 
           | The other guesses were: CDE - Common Desktop Environment, MTC
           | - Missionary Training Center.
           | 
           | GPT is much better than web search for this, I'll say that.
           | It's ability to use context is invaluable.
        
             | themodelplumber wrote:
             | https://www.facebook.com/groups/byu.uug/
             | 
             | This user group was already in place by the time Linux came
             | along, so you had the UUG doing Red Hat boxed set giveaways
             | and such. There was a ton of excitement about Linux and not
             | as much about Unix at that point. Then a bit more proper-
             | Unix excitement when OS X came out.
             | 
             | The other ones are correct.
        
         | asdfman123 wrote:
         | Just because we've never seen him doesn't mean he hasn't at
         | some point quietly summoned a curse on us
        
           | sph wrote:
           | Or silently reduced your quota by 20%
        
             | jaggederest wrote:
             | let me just run the tape eraser over the backups for that
             | user...
        
             | ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
             | Was his name Simon?
        
               | esafak wrote:
               | For the uninitiated:
               | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastard_Operator_From_Hell
        
             | hprotagonist wrote:
             | > CLICKETY <
        
           | LegitShady wrote:
           | "man the internet has been really slow lately"
           | 
           | graybeard chuckles in the server room
        
       | blueflow wrote:
       | At @dayjob, we have a mailing list for root@ mails. We actively
       | use it for recording the output of cronjobs and like that.
       | Several times a year i get sudo fail mails from random people on
       | the terminal servers. A few years ago i actually compiled a list
       | of the most prolific repeat offenders and they got a bag of
       | marshmallows that have the form of coal nuggets right before
       | Christmas vacation.
        
       | ibic wrote:
       | As it happens - "The warning was restored in a slightly altered
       | form in 9757d29" ( https://github.com/sudo-
       | project/sudo/commit/9757d29a24ac1872... ) - Millert.
        
         | dan_linder wrote:
         | This is great! Now when I break into a system I can quickly
         | verify if they've got this aspect of sudo logging setup or not!
         | 
         | Only 1/2 /s
        
         | usr1106 wrote:
         | That makes senses. I already wanted to comment that showing an
         | false warning is not good. But silently sending a mail of what
         | you tried to do is worse.
        
       | brundolf wrote:
       | Obligatory xkcd (one of my favorites): https://xkcd.com/838/
        
       | kitsunesoba wrote:
       | Reminds me of using Win9x when programs crashed (as often
       | happened then), prompting Windows to present those "This program
       | has performed an illegal operation" dialogs.
       | 
       | As a kid the only bit of that message that made any sense was
       | "illegal operation" which made me wonder if I'd broken some law
       | somehow.
        
         | phendrenad2 wrote:
         | This is why I don't put easter eggs or obscure programmer-lingo
         | into programs anymore. Every error is potentially user-facing.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | EvanAnderson wrote:
         | The first computer at my home was a machine my father bought
         | for bookkeeping for his business. I had a loose understanding
         | of what that meant (around 8-9 y/o). I knew paying taxes was
         | something he did.
         | 
         | I remember looking thru the BASIC manual and seeing
         | "ILLEGAL..." error messages. I assumed it meant that doing
         | whatever this was somehow violated tax laws. Made sense to me
         | since the computer was used for bookkeeping.
        
       | Ruq wrote:
       | Just change it to "This incident has been logged to /PATH." and
       | that should be fine, right? Or, if you're really concerned about
       | not exposing system log paths just mention it's been logged.
        
       | Mordisquitos wrote:
       | sohkamyung is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be
       | reported.
        
         | f1shy wrote:
         | Sogtulakk?
        
           | fafqg wrote:
           | acm1pt
        
       | ajsnigrutin wrote:
       | So... how will santa know who's been a bad boy/girl now?
        
       | forgotusername6 wrote:
       | So according to the comments it isn't actually gone, just the
       | wording updated and now dependent on if you have actually set up
       | the mailer to report it somewhere https://github.com/sudo-
       | project/sudo/commit/9757d29a24ac1872...
        
         | john_shafthair wrote:
         | That seems pretty stupid.
         | 
         | While they're at it, why not update the SSH warning banner with
         | a list of what we do and don't log on this system. As a
         | courtesy to their adversary.
         | 
         | This sudo message has been the same since the dawn of time.
         | There is literally no reason to correct it. This is the one
         | place you don't want to be pedantic, leaking security
         | configuration via stderr.
        
           | kragen wrote:
           | something like 99% of computers with sudo installed are
           | single-user machines where the only effect of the warning is
           | to scare people
           | 
           | and it's only been the same since people started to switch to
           | sudo in the late 90s; su never printed such a warning
        
             | alexb_ wrote:
             | >the only effect of the warning is to scare people
             | 
             | Good. If you're not familiar with what sudo does, then you
             | shouldn't be using it in the first place.
        
               | teaearlgraycold wrote:
               | If it's your own computer you should be able to break it
               | until you learn how not to.
        
               | twelve40 wrote:
               | i'd argue in a different direction: if sudo barks a scary
               | unknown message at me, i'd avoid using it altogether and
               | just use su, which is the opposite of what people should
               | be nudged to do.
        
               | pxeger1 wrote:
               | It's an abstraction. You shouldn't need to be familiar
               | with every aspect of what it does.
        
               | kibwen wrote:
               | If you shouldn't be using sudo, then you shouldn't be
               | listed as a sudoer on that system. If you're listed as a
               | sudoer, then you should become familiar with what sudo
               | does.
        
             | TaylorAlexander wrote:
             | Reminds me of when I was younger and my mom and my brother
             | were using a windows computer. They got the message "an
             | illegal error has occurred" and my mom called me to ask if
             | they had broken the law.
        
               | mr_mitm wrote:
               | When I was young I had messed with the computer and it
               | showed an english message with the word "atom" in it. My
               | mom not being a native speaker freaked out as if a
               | nuclear explosion was about to take place.
        
             | john_shafthair wrote:
             | 1. All Unix systems are multi-user. Hence sudo.
             | 
             | 2. Who are these scared people? Do they think the Unix
             | police are going to kick in their door? A guy with gray ear
             | hair and suspenders that will be out of breath from walking
             | up their front steps?
             | 
             | 3. I'm referring to tailoring an error message based on
             | security configuration. That's the dumb bit.
        
               | Arch485 wrote:
               | I don't really think this is a security issue. If an
               | attacker is able to try executing sudo on your system,
               | you have much bigger problems (for example, data exfil
               | can be done by non-sudo users in many cases, or if your
               | system is sufficiently old there's known priviledge
               | escalation exploits). I don't think an attacker gains
               | much knowledge from knowing whether or not they're on the
               | naughty list.
        
               | IshKebab wrote:
               | If the attacker can execute sudo they can probably just
               | alias it to a sudo that sends them the password and wait.
               | The number of users on multiuser systems who _don 't_
               | have sudo access is just vanishingly small. Universities
               | perhaps. But in most companies, if they trust you with
               | access to the machine in the first place they'll trust
               | you with sudo access.
        
           | aflag wrote:
           | That message is poor UI. If you know what it means, you
           | probably don't care about the possibility of sudo sending an
           | email when you first typed it. If you don't know, you will be
           | worried probably without a good reason to be so.
           | 
           | Nowadays it's even worse than it once was, because now the
           | natural instinct of people is to think that the incident was
           | reported to canonical or ibm. The opposite of how they are
           | supposed to feel about when using free software.
           | 
           | I'd change it to "This attempted was logged" or something
           | like that when that is true. Just so the user is aware that
           | the data they are typing there may be seen by someone else.
           | But by default, in their own systems, that message should
           | never appear, unless they specifically configured it that
           | way.
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | microtherion wrote:
           | Maybe update pnews.sh as well to recalibrate the estimate of
           | "hundreds, if not thousands of dollars" per usenet message.
        
           | discreditable wrote:
           | Warning banners are not uncommon. https://www.stigviewer.com/
           | stig/red_hat_enterprise_linux_8/2...
        
         | matsemann wrote:
         | But I use the output from sudo in my program, changing this
         | message breaks my scripts. /s
        
           | lucb1e wrote:
           | Here, you dropped this: https://xkcd.com/1172/
        
       | gopalv wrote:
       | https://xkcd.com/838/
       | 
       | Well, if you have an incident list and nobody's checking it twice
       | ...
        
         | oconnor663 wrote:
         | That XKCD is actually mentioned directly in the commit message
         | :)
        
       | CrampusDestrus wrote:
       | Anyone knows why it's even considered an "incident" at all? you
       | might have misstyped a username or something, why would it
       | require a report?
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | estebarb wrote:
       | I teach an entry level CS course at the University and my
       | students got scared a lot when they saw that message. It was
       | funny until I noted that they were really worried :( .
        
       | diebeforei485 wrote:
       | Yes, it's important that things be clear. Hopefully we do
       | something about man pages next, they are way too obfuscated.
        
         | rbanffy wrote:
         | Not to say sexist.
         | 
         | /me ducks
        
       | babuloseo wrote:
       | No lets keep this :)
        
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