[HN Gopher] Yurt Calculator ___________________________________________________________________ Yurt Calculator Author : raptorraver Score : 137 points Date : 2023-05-01 18:18 UTC (4 hours ago) (HTM) web link (simplydifferently.org) (TXT) w3m dump (simplydifferently.org) | michaelsmanley wrote: | I'm so glad there are still sites like this. | [deleted] | culi wrote: | From the Wikipedia page: | | > Yurts take between 30 minutes and 3 hours to set up or take | down, and are generally used by between five and 15 people. | mshockwave wrote: | I wonder if there is any military application of using Yurts- | alike tents, considering them being more resilient to extreme | weather yet easy to set up and take down. | cypherpunks01 wrote: | See also, Desert Domes for their highly useful Dome Calculators | and related dome formulas, material & assembly tips, and other | resources for all your geodesic dome needs: | | http://www.desertdomes.com/domecalc.html | teddyh wrote: | From that link: | | > _Go see Benny and the elves for some Electroluminescent wire | to decorate your dome!_ | | What. Let's see the Photo Galleries. Ah, eight groups of photos | - five from Burning Man and three from Mardi Gras. I see. | mikepurvis wrote: | Yeah that's more glamping than an earnest discussion about | long term occupancy considerations. | einpoklum wrote: | So, what keeps the Yurt from planar movement? Is it anchored via | stakes somehow? | capableweb wrote: | From the website: | | > While living in the yurt experienced 2-3 strong storms, at my | site up to 120km/h I would estimate. I'm kind of a slow learner | at first as I had to fix and fasten the yurt while the storm | was underway as I often hoped the ropes I used were sufficient, | and experienced they were not. | | > It's worth noticing, the storms affects the roof mostly, no | impact to the wall as I noticed, me using 90deg lattice angle | and bamboo, with stretching the rain wall cover below the floor | and use one rope on that height, almost on the ground, all | around to fasten it (as seen on a photo above already). Some | people put some small laths on the floor to fixate the lattice | wall on the floor, or screw the door frame on the floor, both | which I didn't do. | | https://simplydifferently.org/Yurt_Notes?page=6#Storm%20Prep... | | Seems to be fastened somehow, but it's not specified how. | culi wrote: | > up to 120km/h I would estimate | | That's the bottom end of the windspeed of an F1 (weakest | grade) tornado. | | I have no doubt the architecture of choice of people's who | lived in the steppe regions of Central Asia, a place where | extreme winds are pretty common, would obviously need to be | able to handle these winds but it still feels hard to believe | that an amateur yurt builder could get one able to withstand | a weak tornado on their first build... | pugworthy wrote: | For Hexayurts (https://www.appropedia.org/Hexayurt) one can | create a rope halo that goes around the top of the roof, with a | series of anchor ropes going down to the ground. Very effective | at keeping foam structures well anchored at Burning Man, where | the wind can be quite fierce. | extrememacaroni wrote: | Legends say Genghis Khan's horses were trained to be so fast | because they were also used to transport bytes to and from such | sites, to calculate their yurts. | spiznnx wrote: | This site could be an excel spreadsheet running on a laptop in | a saddle bag! | [deleted] | meebob wrote: | This website fills me with nostalgia! I used it many years ago to | make a tiny 8ft yurt, which was a fun little project. Putting up | a yurt is really satisfying- the way the lattice walls flex is | very cool, and seeing the way tension works across the structure | is fun. | asimpleusecase wrote: | I lived in Mongolia for a year and got to stay a couple days in | real yurts. | | The round wall directs wind around the structure and local people | hang a heavy weight from the center of the yurt to give it | resistance to the lifting force of the wind. | | They are cool in the summer with the bottom edge of canvas rolled | up to allow airflow. ( but also mosquitoes)and warm in the winter | when a layer of thick wool felt is layered over the whole | structure and covered with canvas. In the centre is a stove that | can burn wood or dried animal dung. | | They are very spacious. | | You can tell the time by the sun shadow on the floor via the | smoke hole in the centre. | | BTW if you enter a yurt and in Mongolia don't step on the door | still it is rude. | | If you sleep over don't be shocked when members of the family | take off clothes to change. Modesty is the responsibility of the | viewer. | tantalor wrote: | What's a door still? | fsckboy wrote: | a door sill is the threshold of the door (like windowsill), | but I'm not sure he meant it like that at all | motrm wrote: | I think he could indeed be right, I was curious about that | too and came across this page[0] about Mongolian gers (aka | yurt) which includes the following etiquette guidelines: | | - When approaching a Mongolian ger it is customary to say, | "Nokhoigo Khorioroi" which means "Hold the dog," even if | you don't see a dog. This is because guard dogs are common | and a dog may be aggressive towards visitors, but it in | general alerts the occupants to your presence so they can | come out and greet you. | | - Never knock on a ger door. It is considered rude. You | simply enter. | | - When entering a Mongolian ger, step with your right foot | first and never stand on the threshold. The threshold is | said to be the "neck" of the ger and standing on it | tantamount to "strangling" the home. | | - Mongolians don't chat to each other over the threshold. | Step in rather than asking things through the doorway. | | - To greet your hosts say, "Sain bain uu?" (pronounced | "Sey-Ben-Oo") - meaning "how do you do?" If you are | entering for the second, third, fourth time, you can just | say "Sen-ooo", meaning "Hi!". | | Today we both learned :) | | [0] https://notesofnomads.com/mongolian- | gers/#Ger_etiquette_The_... | world2vec wrote: | >"Modesty is the responsibility of the viewer." | | This reminds me of what my father - from a very rural, poor, | small community - told about my grandparents and his | upbringing. Tiny house, not many bedrooms but many kids (in the | end 10 children), so it was common for many of the youngest | ones to sleep in the same bed as my grandparents. And yet they | still conceived new babies (they're all 2 or 3 years apart from | each other)! Sounds a bit crazy in these modern times. | jcadam wrote: | Sometimes I wonder if it wouldn't be better to buy some cheap | land and throw up a yurt (or maybe a Quonset hut if you're more | fancy), rather than take on a 30-year mortgage. | Kalium wrote: | You'll find it is! | | That said, many might face some challenges in doing so in a | place they want to live. It's non-trivial to find a cheap piece | of livable land in a city. In a more rural areas, you can | expect some possible complications in things like water, | electricity, and internet access. | nine_k wrote: | Water: dig a well, buy a kettle. | | Electricity: solar panels + batteries. You will need a lot of | them if you want to run a small fridge. Forget about a gaming | desktop. | | Internet access: LTE via a tall antenna if you're lucky, | Starlink otherwise. Add more solar panels. | | You'll have to limit your diet mostly to foods that store | well without a fridge. A tiny fridge can still fit the power | budget. | | I'd say that sewage and trash disposal are going to be bigger | problems. Having a shower, too, especially in winter. | TedDoesntTalk wrote: | > dig a well, buy a kettle | | Digging a well can end up costing more than the price of | the land if you have to dig multiple times to find water | HideousKojima wrote: | Sewage is easy, get a septic tank | culi wrote: | Even easier than that... just don't treat it as "sewage". | In Japan all the way up into the 20th century landlords | often claimed a right to their residents "night soil". In | pretty much everywhere except (parts of) Europe, human | manure was seen as a very valuable resource. | | Start a compost pile and get the correct Carbon:Nitrogen | ratio (~24:1). Using the Berkeley method it can reach | heats of up to 200degF (93degC) within a week. You'd be | surprised how quickly something like human feces can | neutralized in conditions like these. The recommended | wait time before direct handling is usually about 2 | months but this is mostly because it's hard to be sure | you've got the right ratios, temperatures, etc. | | Regardless, anyone trying an "offgrid" life would be wise | to stop pouring effort into throwing away one of the most | valuable resources humans produce | carapace wrote: | I've done experiments (with items from the catbox, not my | own) with vermi-composting night soil. A healthy colony | of _E. foetidia_ with vanish a turd in less than an hour | or so. | [deleted] | nine_k wrote: | One issue: bathroom. | | Not an actual bathtub, of course, but at least a shower and a | toilet. | vectorxheng wrote: | You can actually get land for like under $200 here: | https://minute.land/ | | They basically divide up large parcels to get the price down | significantly. | ytdytvhxgydvhh wrote: | Just to be clear, they aren't actually selling land, they're | selling access to land. | | https://minute.land/about | jollyllama wrote: | The problem is finding a place where they won't nail you with | building codes, zoning or other ordinances, etc. | iancmceachern wrote: | Especially in California | Scoundreller wrote: | Quite often the places with cheap land are also the ones that | don't have building codes. | TeMPOraL wrote: | They also lack various things highly correlated with | presence of building codes, such us road access, | electricity, running water, clean water, _water_ , food | variety, healthcare, ER/ambulance, fire | protection/prevention, crime protection/prevention, | schooling, after-school activities, nightlife, pool for | potential mates, (edit: was supposed to be "pool _of_ | potential mates ", but in this context both work), and in | general, people. | Scoundreller wrote: | I mean, not paying for/depending on/having half of those | networks sounds pretty awesome | | I'd add lack of internet to your list. Much harder (but | not impossible) to provide yourself. | jollyllama wrote: | >much harder to provide | | That's the real problem. HN forgets not everyone is | remote. | TeMPOraL wrote: | The "provide" is easy these days, apparently, thanks to | Starlink. | | The "yourself" bit is a tricky bit, as where it comes to | utilities, you can sort of DIY your own supply of | everything else, but Internet is as much a social | construct as it is technical. | DANmode wrote: | Have they resolved their scaling issues that folks here | have been raising red flags about? | TeMPOraL wrote: | Absolutely! Unfortunately, they are all mutually | dependent and mutually reinforcing, so you can't opt out | of some without opting out of the rest. | microtherion wrote: | Cf "A Libertarian Walks Into a Bear": | https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/matthew- | hongoltz-he... | jcadam wrote: | Up here in Alaska, land can be had _very_ cheap (but | construction costs are high), particularly if you don 't | care to be on the road system. | diversionfactor wrote: | Where can I find this cheap land? When I check online | zillow, or via Alaskan state land auctions, the price of | building lots even without road access in the deep | interior is more than that of a suburb in Texas! | mbrameld wrote: | https://dnr.alaska.gov/mlw/landsales/parcels/details/470- | 143... seems pretty cheap to me at about $4,200 per acre. | A quick search of building lots in San Marcos, TX as an | example shows prices are around $200,000 per acre, or | about 50 times higher than the land in Alaska: | https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/San- | Marcos... | | Can you share the lots you were looking at? | diversionfactor wrote: | San Marcos is one of the most overpriced and fastest | growing markets in Texas, right next to Austin, priced to | the stratosphere since the Californians moved in. Austin | is my home town, but I couldn't afford to live in San | Marcos. | | For typical Texas land priced around the same per acre as | Alaskan land: | | https://www.land.com/property/Fox-Hunters-Club-Rd-Bon- | Wier-T... | | $19,708 - 3.79 acres On a public road, with electricity | (water you'd need a well). Remote East Texas, and by | remote I mean you're 20 min drive from the nearest city | (Kirbyville with some gas, food, small department stores) | and 40 min drive from the nearest Walmart SuperCenter | (the real sign of civilization in rural America). | | Or if you prefer something closer to a city, the desert | just outside Del Rio, you can see: | | https://www.land.com/property/Windmill-Rd-Del-Rio- | Texas-7884... | | $15,997 - 2.05 acres On a public road, I see electricity | nearby but you'd have to run it to your land ($15k+ | probably), or just do solar since there's plenty of sun | there. Well water and septic. Bordering the Rough Canyon | national recreation area and Lake Amistad, if you like | boating and hiking (watch out for rattlesnakes). I'd say | a "suburb" of Del Rio, an apartment building and single | family homes 7 min drive away as well as a cafe. The | nearest Walmart Supercenter is 30 min drive away in Del | Rio, as well as the city of Del Rio and the general | aviation airport is by the Walmart, if you wanted to fly | to San Antonio or Monterrey. | | Now you might be saying, I want true suburban land, like | surrounded by other single family homes, with water | hookups and neighbors, and commuting distance to a major | city. That's going to cost you more - but not much more, | especially given it's already got all utilities: | | https://www.land.com/property/1631-Old-Henry-Court- | Angleton-... | | $33,000 - 1 acres About 15 minutes drive from the nearest | Walmart Supercenter in Angleton, as well as an HEB (gotta | have that HEB), and 40 min commute to Pearland where you | could actually find city jobs, or 60 min if you want to | go all the way to downtown Houston (I used to have a | manager who did just this drive every day for 10+ years, | so she could live on a working horse farm). | | That's where my disconnect is for Alaskan land prices. I | can only surmise it's because the federal and state | government own like 99%+ of the land in Alaska and only | sell a very small amount at any time to rigidly control | the prices and development. Like an Uber-California in | that way. | AngryData wrote: | $4,200 per acre seems absurdly expensive to me for land | out that deep in the boonies without electricity or | roads. For $4,200 an acre I can buy rural land around me | with road access, guaranteed electrical access, and | within the last 2 and upcoming 5 years, fiber connections | (just got mine 2 weeks ago). | vectorxheng wrote: | the best place is minute land (https://minute.land/), | they subdivide cheap land and get the price down really | low, like $200 low | thfuran wrote: | Ah, to get away from civilization into pristine nature, | 12 feet away from the next guy doing the same. | mhb wrote: | A cursory look reveals that there is acreage in Maine for | less than $2K/acre. | | https://www.landwatch.com/maine-land-for-sale | vectorxheng wrote: | you can also get land for under $200 at Minute | (https://minute.land/) | [deleted] | asdff wrote: | Yurts are fundamentally portable. You can set up on blm land | and live indefinitely for free if you are decamping every three | weeks. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2023-05-01 23:00 UTC)