[HN Gopher] Modern Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people fou... ___________________________________________________________________ Modern Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people found to have Pictish ancestry Author : wglb Score : 38 points Date : 2023-05-06 04:42 UTC (18 hours ago) (HTM) web link (phys.org) (TXT) w3m dump (phys.org) | truthexposed wrote: | [flagged] | GauntletWizard wrote: | I think what's surprising to me is all the people who seem to | think that the chief method of conquest is replacement, when it's | long been established that it's indoctrination. The Romans didn't | kill off native peoples - they subjugated them, taxed them, and | forced them to comply with some Roman norms. Their greater | success though, was getting the people to want to be Roman. | | And who wouldn't want to be Roman when the simple words "Civis | romanus sum" were an effective passport through an empire that | stretched months of travel? When it opened commercial | opportunities with a large and relatively effective bureaucracy? | A nation that built roads and exported consumer goods, spices and | wines and finery, like none had ever before it? Most of Europe is | still interconnected by the roads the Romans paved. They've been | repaved with macadam, but the lines are the same. | | People imitated the Romans because they were powerful. They | formed alliances and married their daughters off to Romans who | would keep them in relative luxury. The conquest was equally | about minds as of arms. | | This has been true in all conquests. Some have been more brutal | about instilling their culture than the Romans, and to that end, | they were more effective at suppressing or destroying the | previous culture. But ultimately, it is the conquered people | taking on the aspects of their conqueror more than genocide and | recolonization that has succeeded in spreading cultures | throughout history. | Kamq wrote: | > The Romans didn't kill off native peoples - they subjugated | them, taxed them, and forced them to comply with some Roman | norms. | | That's painting with a bit of a broad brush. The Romans had no | problems killing off large swaths of the population. | | Depopulation was a tactic that was absolutely on the table. For | example, during the conquest of Gaul, ~1/3 of the population | was killed and another ~1/3 were sold off as slaves. The | tactics you're talking about were used on the remaining 1/3. | | Those tactics, admittedly, work quite well when you only have | to deal with the friendliest 1/3 of a population. | thaumasiotes wrote: | > I think what's surprising to me is all the people who seem to | think that the chief method of conquest is replacement, when | it's long been established that it's indoctrination. | | > This has been true in all conquests. | | You lost it at the end there. Compare the United States. | | Some conquests are a small group installing themselves at the | top of society. Others are a large group installing themselves | at all levels. | bbg2401 wrote: | Shouldn't the title read "Modern Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish | and _English_ people found to have Pictish ancestry "? | naikrovek wrote: | well, I'm Scottish, but I was born in America, so shouldn't it | also say _American_? /s | | omission from the title does not mean that the unmentioned | nation has zero Pictish ancestry. | alistairSH wrote: | The opening of the article explicitly lists "Scotland, Wales, | North Ireland and Northumbria" despite leaving Northumbria | (which resides mostly in northern England) out of the title. | [deleted] | naikrovek wrote: | this stuff is so fascinating. | | I hope that after I die I go into spectator mode, but with the | added ability to move myself through time so I can see all kinds | of stuff like this play out. | | There are so many historical questions that I want better answers | to. | | The Picts are one of those historical questions, for me. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2023-05-06 23:00 UTC)