[HN Gopher] I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky
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       I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky
        
       Author : crecker
       Score  : 92 points
       Date   : 2023-05-06 21:28 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (worthdoingbadly.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (worthdoingbadly.com)
        
       | mikece wrote:
       | The fact that someone can download all posts on a social network
       | tells you how little usage it has attracted.
        
         | ndriscoll wrote:
         | You can download all of the (public) posts and comments on
         | Reddit. It's a ~2TB torrent.
        
         | skc wrote:
         | It's still in closed Beta and invite only
        
           | XorNot wrote:
           | Which broadly describes why things are going okay there.
           | There isn't anything to moderate, there's no spam, there's no
           | fixated person harrassment.
           | 
           | There's nothing hard being solved.
        
         | manojlds wrote:
         | Eh, it's in a closed beta.
        
         | waboremo wrote:
         | Even on large platforms you can (technically) download all
         | posts. Might take some time and you might need to cycle some
         | storage, but it's doable. So I don't really think that's a
         | great metric to observe usage.
         | 
         | Ignoring that judging usage based on a still invite only
         | platform is also a little silly.
        
         | est wrote:
         | why would download posts be difficult to begin with?
         | 
         | You know in the past, the Internet were designed to be
         | downloadablein the first place, like USENET, FTP, etc.
        
         | capableweb wrote:
         | Would be interesting to see if your comment has any basis at
         | all by comparing how things looked for Twitter at the same
         | timescale, or Facebook, or any other social media.
         | 
         | Just to look at the numbers in isolation is hardly interesting.
        
       | OJFord wrote:
       | Last time I saw bsky on HN a maintainer shared a skip-waitlist
       | invitation code ('anyone on HN is probably better behaved than
       | some of the trolls we've dealt with', or something to that
       | effect) - which was unfortunately dead by the time I found it /
       | Any chance of an encore? Or I am on the waitlist: something I
       | don't recall at username dot com /
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | capableweb wrote:
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           | teddyfrozevelt wrote:
           | * * *
        
       | jeron wrote:
       | Glad to know all 5 of my posts have been archived
        
       | olah_1 wrote:
       | Is there such a thing as private posts? or "friends only" posts
       | or something? Or is it all public?
        
         | Hamuko wrote:
         | All public. There aren't even DMs. No private accounts either.
         | I think some kind of private communication is on the roadmap.
        
           | repeekad wrote:
           | Is there even a notion of "friends"? or is it more like
           | Twitter where you only follow others who may follow you back
        
             | Hamuko wrote:
             | No "friends", only follows and followers like Twitter.
        
       | gfodor wrote:
       | Ok. Now someone fine tune llama on this and then you'll be able
       | to understand how you'll have a custom social user agent that
       | shields you from toxic people and moderates on your behalf.
        
       | demarq wrote:
       | Next challenge make incremental updates to the archive
        
       | latchkey wrote:
       | I signed into it and there was a meme about posting pictures of
       | butts. Apparently porn still drives the internet.
        
         | capableweb wrote:
         | At least there is also black and man butts, instead of 100%
         | white chicks. Seems we're moving forward tiny steps at least,
         | and prudes have yet to find/get into Bluesky.
        
       | doodlesdev wrote:
       | What are the advantages of ATProto over ActivityPub? I don't get
       | it, if you want to make a decentralized social network why not go
       | with the standardized, working, protocol? What does ATProto offer
       | over ActivityPub?
        
         | Hamuko wrote:
         | Character limits for one thing.                 "text": {
         | "type": "string",           "maxLength": 3000,
         | "maxGraphemes": 300       }
         | 
         | https://atproto.com/lexicons/app-bsky-feed#appbskyfeedpost
        
       | SeanAnderson wrote:
       | I would just like to say that I am excited for Bluesky to exist.
       | It might go poorly, but I'm unwilling to write off weird attempts
       | at innovation before the technology has had a chance to evolve in
       | the wild.
       | 
       | I've seen several posts lately that have made me feel like the HN
       | sentiment towards Bluesky is negative. Throwing them under the
       | bus for the domain validation mistake. Hatred at
       | commercialization of a protocol. Questioning why Bluesky would do
       | anything but become a worse Twitter since Jack Dorsey is at the
       | helm.
       | 
       | C'mon! At least give it the benefit of doubt while in beta! I,
       | for one, frequently lament how fragmented my IM programs have
       | become. I felt like there was an ideal point where Pidgin + XMPP
       | interfaced with _everything_ and we 've slowly walked away from
       | that high water mark. So, approaching communication at the
       | protcol level has a certain appeal. I get the reasoning behind
       | the goal.
       | 
       | Do I have concerns that this is another attempt at building a
       | walled garden around something I wish to be open and
       | interoperable? Of course! Do I think it's a net negative on
       | society for someone to be making their attempt? No! Bring on the
       | new tech!
       | 
       | I wish I had a more nuanced argument to make my case because I'm
       | sure there will be tons of replies here telling me why my opinion
       | is bad and I'll be unable to refute them. And those responses
       | will likely make very fair points, but oh well! I needed to at
       | least try to throw some optimism about technology into the
       | HackerNews foray.
        
         | jug wrote:
         | I'm also trying to stay positive.
         | 
         | In that spirit, I really enjoy:
         | 
         | 1. The very good documentation this early in the project! This
         | is not common.
         | 
         | 2. The very rapid response developer team that does it live!
         | Once the combination of surprisingly rapid membership growth +
         | no blocks blew up and it became an urgent moderation feature,
         | they had blocks within weeks despite the technically
         | challenging task due to the kind of federated protocol and
         | distributing blocklists. You can tell they have seasoned
         | developers on the team. This is not just any kind of gimmick
         | network trying to cash grab on Twitter exodus like I feel Hive
         | Social was. It is an actual attempt at something better than
         | Mastodon that has a fun, social experience with good onboarding
         | and solving account migration headaches in mind.
         | 
         | 3. The rare service disruptions despite the developers having
         | their plates full and commonly introducing updates to the
         | service. This speaks loudly about software architecture skills
         | and being humble to risk management with good software hygiene.
         | This again is not something that just happens but takes effort,
         | experience and intent.
         | 
         | 4. The exciting model of DNS approval which I still like. It's
         | bloody fantastic to self-verify in a way that actually makes
         | sense, and it feels very "World Wide Web" in a Tim Berners-Lee
         | way. It uses pillars of the modern Internet in a way to
         | strengthen a service and promises verification at scale. It can
         | do company-wide verifications (domain.tld) as well as
         | contributor-specific ones (username.team.company.tld). So, I
         | dearly hope any misuse can be countered.
         | 
         | 5. I worry they are overreaching with the AT protocol and
         | federation but there is the "Shooting for the stars and aiming
         | for the moon" saying here. I can only wish them the best and if
         | I refer to the points above, the developer team seems
         | surprisingly capable and full of actual intent here.
        
           | boringg wrote:
           | I don't want to sound cynical but all the things you describe
           | are mostly early stage nimble startups with goos teams. As
           | they grow quality erodes.
        
         | jordanreger wrote:
         | +1 this. I'm very much hoping they'll stick to the protocol
         | because it seems very well thought out and designed as a social
         | protocol. I see this as a Deno situation where the runtime is
         | free and open and will always be that way, but they build
         | products upon it. That way everyone benefits from a good thing.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | snickerbockers wrote:
         | TBH I haven't paid much attention to it, but as somebody who
         | was already using Mastodon as their primary social network for
         | years before Musk took over, I'm not sure I understand what
         | niche BlueSky is even supposed to fill that
         | ActivityPub/Fediverse doesn't already fill. It just seems like
         | a bunch of guys who got ousted from their jobs trying to invent
         | a new commercial social network.
         | 
         | And one of the things that needs to be emphasized that a lot of
         | people seem to have forgotten is that twitter was already
         | terrible a *long* time before Musk bought it. Jack and his
         | cronies aren't actually any better than Musk is, they're just
         | smart enough not to make an ass of themselves in front of the
         | entire world. I don't trust them.
        
           | gfodor wrote:
           | Mastodon is filling a niche, because it has to. Bluesky is
           | designed to one day swallow Twitter.
        
           | barnabee wrote:
           | This tells me that you don't actually want what Twitter is
           | (was?) good at.
           | 
           | Mastodon is clearly not a replacement for me. It's a
           | different type of community/service, one that doesn't have
           | much value for me. (Not to say it's bad! I just don't care
           | for it, it doesn't do something I want.)
           | 
           | Equally, Twitter wasn't (and mostly still isn't) terrible for
           | everyone. Everyone gets to choose what it is! I am particular
           | about who I follow, I unfollow quickly, and I care not for
           | celebrities and people's "personal brand".
           | 
           | Twitter is an incredible resource, if you want it to be.
           | 
           | That said, it could clearly be better, and any replacement
           | that prevents a single entity controlling everyone's
           | algorithmic feed or deciding who can post or what they can
           | say is worth exploring.
        
           | naet wrote:
           | Maybe some folks like yourself thought Twitter was terrible
           | before, but plenty of people were happy enough until certain
           | changes by Musk. Mastodon itself had a large growth recently
           | as people left Twitter in response.
           | 
           | I had an automated bot running for a long time on Twitter
           | that I was happy with, until recently when API access was cut
           | off. Now I'm looking for a new platform for my bot to run on
           | as a direct result of recent controversial policy change.
           | Maybe it will be Mastodon or Bluesky, or maybe something
           | else. I think I prefer something more similar to how Twitter
           | was than Mastodon currently is for my needs.
        
             | detaro wrote:
             | > _I think I prefer something more similar to how Twitter
             | was than Mastodon currently is for my needs._
             | 
             | curious what those differences would be for running your
             | bot?
        
         | brvsft wrote:
         | Bluesky is something created by someone who should never be
         | trusted again. Just because Elon Musk, an even bigger egomaniac
         | than Jack Dorsey, bought Twitter doesn't mean I need to get
         | bombarded with HN posts about Bluesky every other day.
        
           | dragonwriter wrote:
           | You can just not click on Bluesky links, no one is forcing
           | you to read articles you aren't interested in.
        
         | agentofoblivion wrote:
         | [flagged]
        
         | tbalsam wrote:
         | I think this is a good take that I don't need to add much to,
         | to be honest.
         | 
         | Maybe this doesn't add as much to the discussion as vehement
         | agreement or disagreement might to the curious HN reader, but I
         | do really personally appreciate it. <3 :)
        
         | sneak wrote:
         | People seem to be generally anti-social-media and, furthermore,
         | anti-social-media-magnate.
         | 
         | I'm a fan of publishing. I think any-to-any publishing is one
         | of the most important applications of the internet.
        
           | barnabee wrote:
           | Agreed.
           | 
           | The most important property of any-to-any publishing is not
           | to (algorithmically or otherwise) turn any-to-any into some-
           | to-many by creating celebrities and boosting the same content
           | to everyone.
           | 
           | I think this is something TikTok (for all their issues)
           | probably got more right than others.
           | 
           | There's a lot further to go before we perfect this, but
           | Nostr, Bluesky, et al. are doing at least something right.
        
         | capableweb wrote:
         | > I felt like there was an ideal point where Pidgin + XMPP
         | interfaced with everything and we've slowly walked away from
         | that high water mark. So, approaching communication at the
         | protcol level has a certain appeal. I get the reasoning behind
         | the goal.
         | 
         | One thing regarding bluesky that is often overlooked, and is
         | related to XMPP (Jabber), is that Jeremie Miller, the inventor
         | of XMPP is one of three board members, the others being Jack of
         | Twitter fame and Jay Graber who is the CEO.
         | 
         | Hopefully, the combined experience of running a platform the
         | founder himself consider a failure with the experience of
         | inventing a open protocol still being used today, can create
         | something cool.
         | 
         | But it's way too early to tell, as you say. One can only stand
         | by and see where they end up. They certainly have interesting
         | ideas, but the crux is always in the implementation.
        
         | RheingoldRiver wrote:
         | > I felt like there was an ideal point where Pidgin + XMPP
         | interfaced with everything and we've slowly walked away from
         | that high water mark.
         | 
         | I remember writing a tutorial on how to connect your _League of
         | Legends_ chat of all things to Pidgin, once upon a time. I
         | doubt it still works, Riot 's completely remade their client
         | since then....but, yeah, those days were certainly nice.
        
         | grimgrin wrote:
         | I'm happy it exists too. By far my favorite discussion about it
         | was Oxide's last podcast:
         | 
         | https://oxide-and-friends.transistor.fm/episodes/blue-skies-...
         | 
         | Emily Kisane was on the ep, following their piece that blew up
         | https://erinkissane.com/blue-skies-over-mastodon
         | 
         | > In addition to Bryan Cantrill and Adam Leventhal, we were
         | joined by special guest Erin Kissane and long-time
         | acquaintances of the show Tim Bray and Steve Klabnik.
        
         | wnevets wrote:
         | > I would just like to say that I am excited for Bluesky to
         | exist. It might go poorly, but I'm unwilling to write off weird
         | attempts at innovation before the technology has had a chance
         | to evolve in the wild.
         | 
         | Isn't it just a variation of mastodon?
        
           | detaro wrote:
           | no.
        
             | wnevets wrote:
             | Then what is the biggest difference between the two besides
             | the name of the protocol?
        
               | johnny22 wrote:
               | the design of the protocol :)
        
       | areoform wrote:
       | Bluesky is absurd in both its small village feel and the breadth
       | of people who post there and you can interact with. It's the same
       | vibe as very early clubhouse. Broke artists next to
       | philanthropists.
        
         | bombcar wrote:
         | All invite-only early-access things that get hot are like it;
         | once they go to general availability they go to shit, it seems.
        
           | dannyphantom wrote:
           | There was a post here about a year ago that summarizes this
           | pretty well[1]; I've honestly gone back to read it a few
           | times for my own projects as it offers some good perspective
           | and framing.
           | 
           | > My take is, if a community is constrained by quality (eg
           | moderation, self-selecting invite-only etc) then the only way
           | it grows is by lowering the threshold. Inevitably that means
           | lower quality content. To some extent, more people can make
           | up for it. Eg if I go from 10 excellent artists to 1000 good
           | ones, chances are that the top 10% artwork created actually
           | gets better.
           | 
           | > But eventually if you grow by lowering quality, then, well,
           | quality drops.
           | 
           | > I suppose for very small societies, they may be limited by
           | discoverability/cliquiness and not quality, so their growth
           | doesn't mesh with quality and so they could also get better
           | with size.
           | 
           | > Note, "quality" doesn't have to mean good/bad but also just
           | "property". When Facebook started, it was for kids from elite
           | schools. It then gradually diluted that by lowering that
           | particular bar. Then it was for kids from all schools. Then
           | young people. Then their parents too. Clearly, it's far from
           | dying in absolute terms, but it's certainly no longer what it
           | initially was. To many initial users, it's as good as dead
           | though.
           | 
           | [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31363953
        
           | neltnerb wrote:
           | It's so predictable that it's frustrating to see people who
           | should know better falling for it. Of course it's a fresh
           | feel without the trolls. It's not open to all yet, so of
           | course it is.
           | 
           | I don't know why they expect it to turn out any differently,
           | it's hard to take this tool seriously.
           | 
           | Facebook was fresh once too. It was invite only for elite
           | universities so everyone had roughly the same expectations
           | for where lines were (they were not in acceptable places, but
           | homogeneity helps with that).
        
             | mahathu wrote:
             | How about using a tree-like structure to track who invited
             | whom to the platform. Offer a generous yet limited number
             | of invites to users, potentially adjusting this amount
             | based on their positive interactions within the network.
             | Permanently ban accounts that violate the rules, and if the
             | new accounts a user invites keep getting banned
             | (automatically) investigate whether that user is using
             | multiple accounts, which would also be against the rules.
             | 
             | I'm sure deciding where to draw the line and clearly
             | defining rules, and then enforcing them is a complex task
             | (same as in public policy or international relations)
             | inherent to any social network, and it is unlikely that an
             | optimal solution exists considering the difference of
             | opinions. However, could this type of rule help mitigate
             | the issues mentioned?
        
               | morkalork wrote:
               | It's funny to see people advocate for a classist system
               | of nobility hundreds of years later. Please, tell us more
               | about how you'd like to restrict a social network to
               | those who are, as they say, "well bred".
        
               | krapp wrote:
               | You think it's classism akin to advocating for bloodline
               | nobility to want a community of people who follow the
               | rules and make positive contributions?
               | 
               | Do you even know where you are right now?
        
             | gfodor wrote:
             | They expect it to turn out differently because they're
             | building something in the style of how the web was built.
        
           | [deleted]
        
       | amelius wrote:
       | What is Bluesky?
        
         | e4e5 wrote:
         | Considering there's no explication on bluesky's website, i
         | don't understand why this comment is downvoted
        
         | mullingitover wrote:
         | So far it seems to be Mastodon, with some tweaks, and the
         | improvement that while it's federated _in theory_ , right now
         | there's only _one server_. This addresses the critical flaw
         | people point out with Mastodon, which is that because it
         | requires you to choose a server it 's too confusing. The
         | requirement to choose a hosting provider is why email famously
         | never took off.
        
           | Philadelphia wrote:
           | Email started off as something you only got through your ISP.
           | It then turned into something you only got through Google.
           | It's not really an example of a service where the vast
           | majority of people make an active choice.
        
           | snickerbockers wrote:
           | >the improvement that while it's federated in theory, right
           | now there's only one server
           | 
           | has the federation even been implemented? Is it an open
           | protocol? Why on earth should anybody trust them not to go
           | back on their word once they've gotten enough critical mass
           | that nobody wants to leave because that's where their friends
           | are (the so-called "network effect")?
        
           | brundolf wrote:
           | It's structured very differently from mastodon, please stop
           | repeating this meme without any firsthand knowledge
        
         | Jupe wrote:
         | https://techcrunch.com/2023/05/05/what-is-bluesky-everything...
        
         | kyleyeats wrote:
         | [flagged]
        
       | ZacnyLos wrote:
       | Apparently Mastodon's decentralisation works better.
        
       | iLoveOncall wrote:
       | So not even 10,000 posts a day. Is it really worth having topics
       | about a barren social network reach the homepage every day?
        
         | SeanAnderson wrote:
         | It's not even fully open to the public yet. I'm waitlisted. 10k
         | post/day seems great for a closed alpha.
        
         | summarity wrote:
         | Pretty good for 50k users (and keep in mind almost half a
         | million downloads that can be converted into users)
        
           | iLoveOncall wrote:
           | 50K posting users. I have an account but didn't post
           | anything, like most people on any social media are lurkers.
        
             | dragonwriter wrote:
             | No, as of a couple days ago, Bluesky said they had about
             | 50K _total_ users.
             | 
             | https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/black-tech-twitter-trans-
             | users-...
        
             | EwanToo wrote:
             | They have around 60k registrations, they've stated that in
             | the last 48 hours or so
        
         | gkoberger wrote:
         | Yes. It's interesting, from a tech perspective, to a lot of
         | people here based on its combination of the decentralized
         | nature of the AT protocol combined with usability that seems to
         | work for people (compared to Mastodon).
         | 
         | It's small, but it has a lot of interesting ideas behind the
         | scenes and interesting people using it.
        
         | herval wrote:
         | good ol' hackernews and its "it's a new startup, is it even
         | worth talking about?" mob
        
         | qzx_pierri wrote:
         | [flagged]
        
           | gkoberger wrote:
           | Maybe it's anti-Elon, or maybe it's anti-the-things-Elon-is-
           | doing-to-Twitter. Just because the people who like Elon have
           | joined a cult of personality doesn't mean the people who
           | dislike what he's done to Twitter have done the same.
           | 
           | For example, I still think Tesla's are cool cars and Space X
           | is doing exciting things.
           | 
           | For me, Twitter has become absolutely unusable. Every person
           | on my FYP and in the replies is someone with 328 followers,
           | crappy opinions and $8/month to burn. I went from loving
           | Twitter for over a decade to finding it utterly devoid of
           | anything interesting anymore. If you happen to like it more
           | now, that's great, keep using it! But a lot of people simply
           | don't get value out of the app anymore.
        
             | sammalloy wrote:
             | Sadly, the people who are sticking with Twitter tend to be
             | regressive, anti-democratic, religious extremists who want
             | to rollback all the progress in the world to the year 1500,
             | confine all women indoors and in the kitchen, and rollout
             | and implement roving gangs of morality police in the
             | streets just like The Handmaid's Tale. And that's why I've
             | stopped using Twitter.
        
               | catiopatio wrote:
               | None of what you've described is a fair description of
               | the views held by most of the Twitter user base.
               | 
               | I find it striking just how disheartening it is to some
               | when a platform like Twitter stops manufacturing consent.
        
               | sammalloy wrote:
               | * Twitter verifies far-right group Britain First with
               | gold tick (4/23) https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2
               | 023/04/24/twitter-ve...
               | 
               | * 'From chaos to moments of irresponsibility': Top execs
               | reportedly accused Elon Musk of 'perpetuating racism' on
               | Twitter in leaked emails (4/23)
               | https://fortune.com/2023/04/07/musk-twitter-hate-speech-
               | adve...
               | 
               | * Elon Musk's Twitter pushes hate speech, extremist
               | content into 'For You' pages https://www.washingtonpost.c
               | om/technology/2023/03/30/elon-mu...
               | 
               | * Extremists and Conspiracy Theorists Reemerge on Twitter
               | (2/23) https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/extremists-and-
               | conspiracy...
               | 
               | * It's hard to see what an avowed far-right militant
               | 'would be doing much differently' than Elon Musk with his
               | Twitter policies, extremism expert says (1/23)
               | https://www.businessinsider.com/interview-how-extremists-
               | ben...
               | 
               | * Elon Musk says his politics are in the center but
               | extremism experts say he's using Twitter to increasingly
               | empower right-wing viewpoints (12/22)
               | https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-right-wing-
               | extremi...
               | 
               | * Extremists, Far Right Figures Exploit Recent Changes to
               | Twitter (12/22)
               | https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/extremists-far-right-
               | figu...
               | 
               | * Why is Elon Musk's Twitter takeover increasing hate
               | speech? (11/22) https://www.brookings.edu/blog/how-we-
               | rise/2022/11/23/why-is...
        
         | debesyla wrote:
         | Hackernews is also a social network - and it seems like this
         | thing works with even less posts per day?
         | 
         | You don't need a huge following to have a functioning social
         | group.
        
       | btown wrote:
       | Given that Bluesky makes it this easy to download data, it's
       | quite alarming that the graph of who blocks & mutes who is fully
       | public and easy to extract into a database:
       | https://atproto.com/lexicons/app-bsky-graph#appbskygraphgetb...
       | 
       | On Twitter, blocking a toxic user does not notify them - while
       | they can query the block status of one profile at a time, they
       | can never get a full list of people who block them. But it would
       | be trivial to create a Bluesky app view that provides this
       | inverted index. And some people would be inclined to use the list
       | of people who block them as a "target list" of people whose views
       | differ from them, to share with their networks as prospects for
       | targeted harassment that may even cross into real-life violence.
       | (The fact that critics of the infamous Ki*f*ms forum have been
       | swatted - and that I am even now reticent to type the full name -
       | is just the tip of the iceberg of potential dangers here.)
       | 
       | I hope that Bluesky comes up with a better mechanism here - it's
       | tough to do in a federated system, but research like
       | https://eprint.iacr.org/2021/1577.pdf may be helpful.
        
         | capableweb wrote:
         | It's a tough line to walk. On one hand, if you participate in a
         | system where almost everything is inherently public (the
         | web/internet, since anyone can screenshot anything and publish
         | wherever they want), it's hardly unexpected that information
         | that was once public, can remain public forever.
         | 
         | On the other hand, people have some sort of expectation that
         | the data they publicly post online to remain in some sort of
         | semi-private state. Bluesky app might invite only for now, but
         | the underlying protocol and technology makes everything very
         | public, forever, and makes it trivial to cache locally (for
         | good or bad purposes).
        
           | btown wrote:
           | There's a vast difference between "public" and "actively
           | surfaced." Indeed, blocking someone on Twitter would not
           | prevent them from finding your public profile in an incognito
           | window and seeing your posts - it would simply prevent your
           | posts from being easily and automatically accessible to them
           | in their feed. In practice, this tends to reduce conflict. My
           | concern with Bluesky is that it makes it very possible for
           | tools to make block information easily and automatically
           | accessible - in fact, it would allow a bad actor to create a
           | service that shows a feed of _just_ content from people who
           | want to block you from seeing it. That 's a recipe for
           | disaster.
        
         | brundolf wrote:
         | (Saying this as an excited bluesky user and someone who really
         | really hopes all of this succeeds long-term)
         | 
         | I think possibly their biggest challenge ahead will be making
         | parts of it _non_ -public. Private mutes/blocks, having some
         | analogue of Circles for whitelisting post viewers, etc.
         | 
         | Having a _truly_ open and public database - especially once
         | signups no longer require invite codes - is going to mean a
         | cambrian explosion of tools and clients the likes of which we
         | 've never seen before in social media (which is already sorta
         | happening even with closed signups). But that might include
         | malicious apps that take advantage of that same openness to
         | stalk, spam, and harass (especially given it's coinciding with
         | a huge leap in AI technology). It might be AT Protocol's
         | biggest test.
        
         | VancouverMan wrote:
         | Maybe it'd be better to just not have any blocking/muting built
         | into such a system at all.
         | 
         | If User A doesn't want to see posts from User B, that's fine.
         | User A can have his client filter them out locally, prior to
         | when they'd otherwise be displayed. Nobody else has to know
         | this is happening.
         | 
         | I don't think that User A should be permitted to prevent User B
         | from replying to User A's posts, which in turn prevents User C
         | (or all other users) from discovering what User B thinks about
         | whatever User A posted.
         | 
         | User A trying to prevent his otherwise-public posts from being
         | visible to User B seems pointless to me, as User B could log
         | out, or use another account that hasn't been blocked, or ask
         | somebody else who hasn't been blocked to screenshot it, or use
         | some other way around it.
        
       | aurelius83 wrote:
       | I'd love for you to validate the users against the list of
       | verified twitter 1.0 users and see what percentage migrated over.
        
         | navanchauhan wrote:
         | Another metric I would be interested in looking is verified
         | skeeters (people with a custom root domain) vs verified Twitter
         | users and separate Twitter Blue subscribers (with < 1 million
         | followers)
        
       | bnewbold wrote:
       | some quick thoughts/notes (I am on the bluesky team, but this
       | isn't an official policy statement):
       | 
       | - content on bluesky _is_ public, but we have not set
       | expectations /comms around that well yet, and this dump may be a
       | surprise to some existing accounts. where exactly bluesky falls
       | on the spectrum from "congressional register (immutable)" to
       | "public web" to "public IRC or discord room" to "private signal
       | group" is still being worked out, but probably closest to "public
       | web"
       | 
       | - the protocol supports both "deletions" (retaining history), and
       | "purge" (aka "rebase") to remove all not-current content. this
       | isn't exposed via UI yet and accounts have not had the chance to
       | purge old deletions
       | 
       | - the federation protocol and unified firehose should make it
       | possible for third parties to maintain a live mirror of the
       | entire corpus. importantly, it will be easy (or at least
       | "easier") to respect intents w/r/t deletions when done this way,
       | compared to dumps
       | 
       | - obviously neither "deletion" nor "purge" can perfectly remove
       | content from 3rd party dumps and infra, or from hostile parties.
       | but it _does_ signal user intent clearly, and we expect as a norm
       | that third parties will respect that intent. ADS-B, robots.txt,
       | CC licensing are related to these norms, though all unique.
       | right-to-be-forgotten, archiving, re-use licensing, use in ML
       | training, commercial /non-profit reuse, search indexing, etc, are
       | all on our radar
       | 
       | - blobs/images are not included in this corpus
       | 
       | - this specific corpus does not (I assume) include our important
       | "label" moderation metadata. at least for our (Bluesky) core
       | moderation decisions, that information will be public
       | 
       | - private/group content is not yet part of protocol. eg, no
       | built-in mechanism for DMs or follower-only posts. we will
       | probably do those eventually, but it will be basically a whole
       | separate protocol, not a bolt-on to existing stuff. wildly
       | different privacy/security concerns with non-public content
       | 
       | - there are some other cool projects, like
       | https://bsky.jazco.dev/, working with the full social graph,
       | pulled via public API
        
         | brundolf wrote:
         | Thanks for weighing in
         | 
         | It's disappointing to hear that follower-only/circles
         | (whitelisted viewers) posts are basically incompatible with the
         | current protocol. I'd hoped something could be done where the
         | post content was encrypted in such a way that only specific
         | authenticated users could decrypt it, or something along those
         | lines
        
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