[HN Gopher] I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky ___________________________________________________________________ I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky Author : crecker Score : 92 points Date : 2023-05-06 21:28 UTC (1 hours ago) (HTM) web link (worthdoingbadly.com) (TXT) w3m dump (worthdoingbadly.com) | mikece wrote: | The fact that someone can download all posts on a social network | tells you how little usage it has attracted. | ndriscoll wrote: | You can download all of the (public) posts and comments on | Reddit. It's a ~2TB torrent. | skc wrote: | It's still in closed Beta and invite only | XorNot wrote: | Which broadly describes why things are going okay there. | There isn't anything to moderate, there's no spam, there's no | fixated person harrassment. | | There's nothing hard being solved. | manojlds wrote: | Eh, it's in a closed beta. | waboremo wrote: | Even on large platforms you can (technically) download all | posts. Might take some time and you might need to cycle some | storage, but it's doable. So I don't really think that's a | great metric to observe usage. | | Ignoring that judging usage based on a still invite only | platform is also a little silly. | est wrote: | why would download posts be difficult to begin with? | | You know in the past, the Internet were designed to be | downloadablein the first place, like USENET, FTP, etc. | capableweb wrote: | Would be interesting to see if your comment has any basis at | all by comparing how things looked for Twitter at the same | timescale, or Facebook, or any other social media. | | Just to look at the numbers in isolation is hardly interesting. | OJFord wrote: | Last time I saw bsky on HN a maintainer shared a skip-waitlist | invitation code ('anyone on HN is probably better behaved than | some of the trolls we've dealt with', or something to that | effect) - which was unfortunately dead by the time I found it / | Any chance of an encore? Or I am on the waitlist: something I | don't recall at username dot com / | [deleted] | capableweb wrote: | -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- hQIMA0WyYxZsfRGeARAA6b | V9x72wGv6TT1YQC8RowJ7O3N05DcJ9g3CCw9y9Tdk1 gL99QlURQvdY | JImDUmIrXd6pE2MVQPTfQFhh8BSsqjxS/BVQO9I30GgQEzlquUBB uz | MvBwJHUPU/ZV/MJpwU4DTVcfaOLGHJNXJtOiHfXiinu9+m+blIRZGJ05pVhfU0 | qA00gpIfNpl7rZaBqZoSRG+mXuWkVD6FUEFgrHoBppkGltfnKoPJ4BtUlKURvK+ | B 4y+nOwdJb41oU4KXluSXLQsn45Af6ob4DiHl/xXw+s0csgHGePWck | rdxirmF2Dot uQ3d/iu/FG2Qd9FX/yfkG31RfWERl81c/MMOw1ME8rs | XTV0leNDELdzkHwQW9olA 7Xr64dKw3BNALvtUDLMks++u7qADrYJxP | vhPKwwQDzlGvqU5xZNjHh8+xSAEr2pt PEXN/Ifk+6Z7qdbhBndwGj+ | 3rxsrG7LheDzQZyImx/qjOx/Jc+MNjQFHRBpRPtHe n3IdbaAfMsY3L | 2/1q07DAdGSy8EsApb0/le3Lm/u1So7buSOLgnT7edt8tpTpad4 J9U | nd/3bKWHNQ3j+xdWn/1dg4NBsMfmxUM9rddK23YPUDDCLPfmc+x8ctDJ/SD71 | stEDpt69qE96VJ2w+N/bkRUhZPwAZ7z9NjVpwi6vfEwiFVK6u3yXkvbGZinkJl/ | S YAE8gEnEKtiDu7CtrAL4PBx6m9dsZSYZ/ku0+oIy9EU+oCSv33FrZ | 92d2huLUxQ0 IzpR0osBxLPOCUdCHkO7KCSUIOpT3zbcxaVMtcJJTsb | DnqazRGMiLsD58a6fHR66 Eg== =tmx/ | -----END PGP MESSAGE----- | teddyfrozevelt wrote: | * * * | jeron wrote: | Glad to know all 5 of my posts have been archived | olah_1 wrote: | Is there such a thing as private posts? or "friends only" posts | or something? Or is it all public? | Hamuko wrote: | All public. There aren't even DMs. No private accounts either. | I think some kind of private communication is on the roadmap. | repeekad wrote: | Is there even a notion of "friends"? or is it more like | Twitter where you only follow others who may follow you back | Hamuko wrote: | No "friends", only follows and followers like Twitter. | gfodor wrote: | Ok. Now someone fine tune llama on this and then you'll be able | to understand how you'll have a custom social user agent that | shields you from toxic people and moderates on your behalf. | demarq wrote: | Next challenge make incremental updates to the archive | latchkey wrote: | I signed into it and there was a meme about posting pictures of | butts. Apparently porn still drives the internet. | capableweb wrote: | At least there is also black and man butts, instead of 100% | white chicks. Seems we're moving forward tiny steps at least, | and prudes have yet to find/get into Bluesky. | doodlesdev wrote: | What are the advantages of ATProto over ActivityPub? I don't get | it, if you want to make a decentralized social network why not go | with the standardized, working, protocol? What does ATProto offer | over ActivityPub? | Hamuko wrote: | Character limits for one thing. "text": { | "type": "string", "maxLength": 3000, | "maxGraphemes": 300 } | | https://atproto.com/lexicons/app-bsky-feed#appbskyfeedpost | SeanAnderson wrote: | I would just like to say that I am excited for Bluesky to exist. | It might go poorly, but I'm unwilling to write off weird attempts | at innovation before the technology has had a chance to evolve in | the wild. | | I've seen several posts lately that have made me feel like the HN | sentiment towards Bluesky is negative. Throwing them under the | bus for the domain validation mistake. Hatred at | commercialization of a protocol. Questioning why Bluesky would do | anything but become a worse Twitter since Jack Dorsey is at the | helm. | | C'mon! At least give it the benefit of doubt while in beta! I, | for one, frequently lament how fragmented my IM programs have | become. I felt like there was an ideal point where Pidgin + XMPP | interfaced with _everything_ and we 've slowly walked away from | that high water mark. So, approaching communication at the | protcol level has a certain appeal. I get the reasoning behind | the goal. | | Do I have concerns that this is another attempt at building a | walled garden around something I wish to be open and | interoperable? Of course! Do I think it's a net negative on | society for someone to be making their attempt? No! Bring on the | new tech! | | I wish I had a more nuanced argument to make my case because I'm | sure there will be tons of replies here telling me why my opinion | is bad and I'll be unable to refute them. And those responses | will likely make very fair points, but oh well! I needed to at | least try to throw some optimism about technology into the | HackerNews foray. | jug wrote: | I'm also trying to stay positive. | | In that spirit, I really enjoy: | | 1. The very good documentation this early in the project! This | is not common. | | 2. The very rapid response developer team that does it live! | Once the combination of surprisingly rapid membership growth + | no blocks blew up and it became an urgent moderation feature, | they had blocks within weeks despite the technically | challenging task due to the kind of federated protocol and | distributing blocklists. You can tell they have seasoned | developers on the team. This is not just any kind of gimmick | network trying to cash grab on Twitter exodus like I feel Hive | Social was. It is an actual attempt at something better than | Mastodon that has a fun, social experience with good onboarding | and solving account migration headaches in mind. | | 3. The rare service disruptions despite the developers having | their plates full and commonly introducing updates to the | service. This speaks loudly about software architecture skills | and being humble to risk management with good software hygiene. | This again is not something that just happens but takes effort, | experience and intent. | | 4. The exciting model of DNS approval which I still like. It's | bloody fantastic to self-verify in a way that actually makes | sense, and it feels very "World Wide Web" in a Tim Berners-Lee | way. It uses pillars of the modern Internet in a way to | strengthen a service and promises verification at scale. It can | do company-wide verifications (domain.tld) as well as | contributor-specific ones (username.team.company.tld). So, I | dearly hope any misuse can be countered. | | 5. I worry they are overreaching with the AT protocol and | federation but there is the "Shooting for the stars and aiming | for the moon" saying here. I can only wish them the best and if | I refer to the points above, the developer team seems | surprisingly capable and full of actual intent here. | boringg wrote: | I don't want to sound cynical but all the things you describe | are mostly early stage nimble startups with goos teams. As | they grow quality erodes. | jordanreger wrote: | +1 this. I'm very much hoping they'll stick to the protocol | because it seems very well thought out and designed as a social | protocol. I see this as a Deno situation where the runtime is | free and open and will always be that way, but they build | products upon it. That way everyone benefits from a good thing. | [deleted] | snickerbockers wrote: | TBH I haven't paid much attention to it, but as somebody who | was already using Mastodon as their primary social network for | years before Musk took over, I'm not sure I understand what | niche BlueSky is even supposed to fill that | ActivityPub/Fediverse doesn't already fill. It just seems like | a bunch of guys who got ousted from their jobs trying to invent | a new commercial social network. | | And one of the things that needs to be emphasized that a lot of | people seem to have forgotten is that twitter was already | terrible a *long* time before Musk bought it. Jack and his | cronies aren't actually any better than Musk is, they're just | smart enough not to make an ass of themselves in front of the | entire world. I don't trust them. | gfodor wrote: | Mastodon is filling a niche, because it has to. Bluesky is | designed to one day swallow Twitter. | barnabee wrote: | This tells me that you don't actually want what Twitter is | (was?) good at. | | Mastodon is clearly not a replacement for me. It's a | different type of community/service, one that doesn't have | much value for me. (Not to say it's bad! I just don't care | for it, it doesn't do something I want.) | | Equally, Twitter wasn't (and mostly still isn't) terrible for | everyone. Everyone gets to choose what it is! I am particular | about who I follow, I unfollow quickly, and I care not for | celebrities and people's "personal brand". | | Twitter is an incredible resource, if you want it to be. | | That said, it could clearly be better, and any replacement | that prevents a single entity controlling everyone's | algorithmic feed or deciding who can post or what they can | say is worth exploring. | naet wrote: | Maybe some folks like yourself thought Twitter was terrible | before, but plenty of people were happy enough until certain | changes by Musk. Mastodon itself had a large growth recently | as people left Twitter in response. | | I had an automated bot running for a long time on Twitter | that I was happy with, until recently when API access was cut | off. Now I'm looking for a new platform for my bot to run on | as a direct result of recent controversial policy change. | Maybe it will be Mastodon or Bluesky, or maybe something | else. I think I prefer something more similar to how Twitter | was than Mastodon currently is for my needs. | detaro wrote: | > _I think I prefer something more similar to how Twitter | was than Mastodon currently is for my needs._ | | curious what those differences would be for running your | bot? | brvsft wrote: | Bluesky is something created by someone who should never be | trusted again. Just because Elon Musk, an even bigger egomaniac | than Jack Dorsey, bought Twitter doesn't mean I need to get | bombarded with HN posts about Bluesky every other day. | dragonwriter wrote: | You can just not click on Bluesky links, no one is forcing | you to read articles you aren't interested in. | agentofoblivion wrote: | [flagged] | tbalsam wrote: | I think this is a good take that I don't need to add much to, | to be honest. | | Maybe this doesn't add as much to the discussion as vehement | agreement or disagreement might to the curious HN reader, but I | do really personally appreciate it. <3 :) | sneak wrote: | People seem to be generally anti-social-media and, furthermore, | anti-social-media-magnate. | | I'm a fan of publishing. I think any-to-any publishing is one | of the most important applications of the internet. | barnabee wrote: | Agreed. | | The most important property of any-to-any publishing is not | to (algorithmically or otherwise) turn any-to-any into some- | to-many by creating celebrities and boosting the same content | to everyone. | | I think this is something TikTok (for all their issues) | probably got more right than others. | | There's a lot further to go before we perfect this, but | Nostr, Bluesky, et al. are doing at least something right. | capableweb wrote: | > I felt like there was an ideal point where Pidgin + XMPP | interfaced with everything and we've slowly walked away from | that high water mark. So, approaching communication at the | protcol level has a certain appeal. I get the reasoning behind | the goal. | | One thing regarding bluesky that is often overlooked, and is | related to XMPP (Jabber), is that Jeremie Miller, the inventor | of XMPP is one of three board members, the others being Jack of | Twitter fame and Jay Graber who is the CEO. | | Hopefully, the combined experience of running a platform the | founder himself consider a failure with the experience of | inventing a open protocol still being used today, can create | something cool. | | But it's way too early to tell, as you say. One can only stand | by and see where they end up. They certainly have interesting | ideas, but the crux is always in the implementation. | RheingoldRiver wrote: | > I felt like there was an ideal point where Pidgin + XMPP | interfaced with everything and we've slowly walked away from | that high water mark. | | I remember writing a tutorial on how to connect your _League of | Legends_ chat of all things to Pidgin, once upon a time. I | doubt it still works, Riot 's completely remade their client | since then....but, yeah, those days were certainly nice. | grimgrin wrote: | I'm happy it exists too. By far my favorite discussion about it | was Oxide's last podcast: | | https://oxide-and-friends.transistor.fm/episodes/blue-skies-... | | Emily Kisane was on the ep, following their piece that blew up | https://erinkissane.com/blue-skies-over-mastodon | | > In addition to Bryan Cantrill and Adam Leventhal, we were | joined by special guest Erin Kissane and long-time | acquaintances of the show Tim Bray and Steve Klabnik. | wnevets wrote: | > I would just like to say that I am excited for Bluesky to | exist. It might go poorly, but I'm unwilling to write off weird | attempts at innovation before the technology has had a chance | to evolve in the wild. | | Isn't it just a variation of mastodon? | detaro wrote: | no. | wnevets wrote: | Then what is the biggest difference between the two besides | the name of the protocol? | johnny22 wrote: | the design of the protocol :) | areoform wrote: | Bluesky is absurd in both its small village feel and the breadth | of people who post there and you can interact with. It's the same | vibe as very early clubhouse. Broke artists next to | philanthropists. | bombcar wrote: | All invite-only early-access things that get hot are like it; | once they go to general availability they go to shit, it seems. | dannyphantom wrote: | There was a post here about a year ago that summarizes this | pretty well[1]; I've honestly gone back to read it a few | times for my own projects as it offers some good perspective | and framing. | | > My take is, if a community is constrained by quality (eg | moderation, self-selecting invite-only etc) then the only way | it grows is by lowering the threshold. Inevitably that means | lower quality content. To some extent, more people can make | up for it. Eg if I go from 10 excellent artists to 1000 good | ones, chances are that the top 10% artwork created actually | gets better. | | > But eventually if you grow by lowering quality, then, well, | quality drops. | | > I suppose for very small societies, they may be limited by | discoverability/cliquiness and not quality, so their growth | doesn't mesh with quality and so they could also get better | with size. | | > Note, "quality" doesn't have to mean good/bad but also just | "property". When Facebook started, it was for kids from elite | schools. It then gradually diluted that by lowering that | particular bar. Then it was for kids from all schools. Then | young people. Then their parents too. Clearly, it's far from | dying in absolute terms, but it's certainly no longer what it | initially was. To many initial users, it's as good as dead | though. | | [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31363953 | neltnerb wrote: | It's so predictable that it's frustrating to see people who | should know better falling for it. Of course it's a fresh | feel without the trolls. It's not open to all yet, so of | course it is. | | I don't know why they expect it to turn out any differently, | it's hard to take this tool seriously. | | Facebook was fresh once too. It was invite only for elite | universities so everyone had roughly the same expectations | for where lines were (they were not in acceptable places, but | homogeneity helps with that). | mahathu wrote: | How about using a tree-like structure to track who invited | whom to the platform. Offer a generous yet limited number | of invites to users, potentially adjusting this amount | based on their positive interactions within the network. | Permanently ban accounts that violate the rules, and if the | new accounts a user invites keep getting banned | (automatically) investigate whether that user is using | multiple accounts, which would also be against the rules. | | I'm sure deciding where to draw the line and clearly | defining rules, and then enforcing them is a complex task | (same as in public policy or international relations) | inherent to any social network, and it is unlikely that an | optimal solution exists considering the difference of | opinions. However, could this type of rule help mitigate | the issues mentioned? | morkalork wrote: | It's funny to see people advocate for a classist system | of nobility hundreds of years later. Please, tell us more | about how you'd like to restrict a social network to | those who are, as they say, "well bred". | krapp wrote: | You think it's classism akin to advocating for bloodline | nobility to want a community of people who follow the | rules and make positive contributions? | | Do you even know where you are right now? | gfodor wrote: | They expect it to turn out differently because they're | building something in the style of how the web was built. | [deleted] | amelius wrote: | What is Bluesky? | e4e5 wrote: | Considering there's no explication on bluesky's website, i | don't understand why this comment is downvoted | mullingitover wrote: | So far it seems to be Mastodon, with some tweaks, and the | improvement that while it's federated _in theory_ , right now | there's only _one server_. This addresses the critical flaw | people point out with Mastodon, which is that because it | requires you to choose a server it 's too confusing. The | requirement to choose a hosting provider is why email famously | never took off. | Philadelphia wrote: | Email started off as something you only got through your ISP. | It then turned into something you only got through Google. | It's not really an example of a service where the vast | majority of people make an active choice. | snickerbockers wrote: | >the improvement that while it's federated in theory, right | now there's only one server | | has the federation even been implemented? Is it an open | protocol? Why on earth should anybody trust them not to go | back on their word once they've gotten enough critical mass | that nobody wants to leave because that's where their friends | are (the so-called "network effect")? | brundolf wrote: | It's structured very differently from mastodon, please stop | repeating this meme without any firsthand knowledge | Jupe wrote: | https://techcrunch.com/2023/05/05/what-is-bluesky-everything... | kyleyeats wrote: | [flagged] | ZacnyLos wrote: | Apparently Mastodon's decentralisation works better. | iLoveOncall wrote: | So not even 10,000 posts a day. Is it really worth having topics | about a barren social network reach the homepage every day? | SeanAnderson wrote: | It's not even fully open to the public yet. I'm waitlisted. 10k | post/day seems great for a closed alpha. | summarity wrote: | Pretty good for 50k users (and keep in mind almost half a | million downloads that can be converted into users) | iLoveOncall wrote: | 50K posting users. I have an account but didn't post | anything, like most people on any social media are lurkers. | dragonwriter wrote: | No, as of a couple days ago, Bluesky said they had about | 50K _total_ users. | | https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/black-tech-twitter-trans- | users-... | EwanToo wrote: | They have around 60k registrations, they've stated that in | the last 48 hours or so | gkoberger wrote: | Yes. It's interesting, from a tech perspective, to a lot of | people here based on its combination of the decentralized | nature of the AT protocol combined with usability that seems to | work for people (compared to Mastodon). | | It's small, but it has a lot of interesting ideas behind the | scenes and interesting people using it. | herval wrote: | good ol' hackernews and its "it's a new startup, is it even | worth talking about?" mob | qzx_pierri wrote: | [flagged] | gkoberger wrote: | Maybe it's anti-Elon, or maybe it's anti-the-things-Elon-is- | doing-to-Twitter. Just because the people who like Elon have | joined a cult of personality doesn't mean the people who | dislike what he's done to Twitter have done the same. | | For example, I still think Tesla's are cool cars and Space X | is doing exciting things. | | For me, Twitter has become absolutely unusable. Every person | on my FYP and in the replies is someone with 328 followers, | crappy opinions and $8/month to burn. I went from loving | Twitter for over a decade to finding it utterly devoid of | anything interesting anymore. If you happen to like it more | now, that's great, keep using it! But a lot of people simply | don't get value out of the app anymore. | sammalloy wrote: | Sadly, the people who are sticking with Twitter tend to be | regressive, anti-democratic, religious extremists who want | to rollback all the progress in the world to the year 1500, | confine all women indoors and in the kitchen, and rollout | and implement roving gangs of morality police in the | streets just like The Handmaid's Tale. And that's why I've | stopped using Twitter. | catiopatio wrote: | None of what you've described is a fair description of | the views held by most of the Twitter user base. | | I find it striking just how disheartening it is to some | when a platform like Twitter stops manufacturing consent. | sammalloy wrote: | * Twitter verifies far-right group Britain First with | gold tick (4/23) https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2 | 023/04/24/twitter-ve... | | * 'From chaos to moments of irresponsibility': Top execs | reportedly accused Elon Musk of 'perpetuating racism' on | Twitter in leaked emails (4/23) | https://fortune.com/2023/04/07/musk-twitter-hate-speech- | adve... | | * Elon Musk's Twitter pushes hate speech, extremist | content into 'For You' pages https://www.washingtonpost.c | om/technology/2023/03/30/elon-mu... | | * Extremists and Conspiracy Theorists Reemerge on Twitter | (2/23) https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/extremists-and- | conspiracy... | | * It's hard to see what an avowed far-right militant | 'would be doing much differently' than Elon Musk with his | Twitter policies, extremism expert says (1/23) | https://www.businessinsider.com/interview-how-extremists- | ben... | | * Elon Musk says his politics are in the center but | extremism experts say he's using Twitter to increasingly | empower right-wing viewpoints (12/22) | https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-right-wing- | extremi... | | * Extremists, Far Right Figures Exploit Recent Changes to | Twitter (12/22) | https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/extremists-far-right- | figu... | | * Why is Elon Musk's Twitter takeover increasing hate | speech? (11/22) https://www.brookings.edu/blog/how-we- | rise/2022/11/23/why-is... | debesyla wrote: | Hackernews is also a social network - and it seems like this | thing works with even less posts per day? | | You don't need a huge following to have a functioning social | group. | btown wrote: | Given that Bluesky makes it this easy to download data, it's | quite alarming that the graph of who blocks & mutes who is fully | public and easy to extract into a database: | https://atproto.com/lexicons/app-bsky-graph#appbskygraphgetb... | | On Twitter, blocking a toxic user does not notify them - while | they can query the block status of one profile at a time, they | can never get a full list of people who block them. But it would | be trivial to create a Bluesky app view that provides this | inverted index. And some people would be inclined to use the list | of people who block them as a "target list" of people whose views | differ from them, to share with their networks as prospects for | targeted harassment that may even cross into real-life violence. | (The fact that critics of the infamous Ki*f*ms forum have been | swatted - and that I am even now reticent to type the full name - | is just the tip of the iceberg of potential dangers here.) | | I hope that Bluesky comes up with a better mechanism here - it's | tough to do in a federated system, but research like | https://eprint.iacr.org/2021/1577.pdf may be helpful. | capableweb wrote: | It's a tough line to walk. On one hand, if you participate in a | system where almost everything is inherently public (the | web/internet, since anyone can screenshot anything and publish | wherever they want), it's hardly unexpected that information | that was once public, can remain public forever. | | On the other hand, people have some sort of expectation that | the data they publicly post online to remain in some sort of | semi-private state. Bluesky app might invite only for now, but | the underlying protocol and technology makes everything very | public, forever, and makes it trivial to cache locally (for | good or bad purposes). | btown wrote: | There's a vast difference between "public" and "actively | surfaced." Indeed, blocking someone on Twitter would not | prevent them from finding your public profile in an incognito | window and seeing your posts - it would simply prevent your | posts from being easily and automatically accessible to them | in their feed. In practice, this tends to reduce conflict. My | concern with Bluesky is that it makes it very possible for | tools to make block information easily and automatically | accessible - in fact, it would allow a bad actor to create a | service that shows a feed of _just_ content from people who | want to block you from seeing it. That 's a recipe for | disaster. | brundolf wrote: | (Saying this as an excited bluesky user and someone who really | really hopes all of this succeeds long-term) | | I think possibly their biggest challenge ahead will be making | parts of it _non_ -public. Private mutes/blocks, having some | analogue of Circles for whitelisting post viewers, etc. | | Having a _truly_ open and public database - especially once | signups no longer require invite codes - is going to mean a | cambrian explosion of tools and clients the likes of which we | 've never seen before in social media (which is already sorta | happening even with closed signups). But that might include | malicious apps that take advantage of that same openness to | stalk, spam, and harass (especially given it's coinciding with | a huge leap in AI technology). It might be AT Protocol's | biggest test. | VancouverMan wrote: | Maybe it'd be better to just not have any blocking/muting built | into such a system at all. | | If User A doesn't want to see posts from User B, that's fine. | User A can have his client filter them out locally, prior to | when they'd otherwise be displayed. Nobody else has to know | this is happening. | | I don't think that User A should be permitted to prevent User B | from replying to User A's posts, which in turn prevents User C | (or all other users) from discovering what User B thinks about | whatever User A posted. | | User A trying to prevent his otherwise-public posts from being | visible to User B seems pointless to me, as User B could log | out, or use another account that hasn't been blocked, or ask | somebody else who hasn't been blocked to screenshot it, or use | some other way around it. | aurelius83 wrote: | I'd love for you to validate the users against the list of | verified twitter 1.0 users and see what percentage migrated over. | navanchauhan wrote: | Another metric I would be interested in looking is verified | skeeters (people with a custom root domain) vs verified Twitter | users and separate Twitter Blue subscribers (with < 1 million | followers) | bnewbold wrote: | some quick thoughts/notes (I am on the bluesky team, but this | isn't an official policy statement): | | - content on bluesky _is_ public, but we have not set | expectations /comms around that well yet, and this dump may be a | surprise to some existing accounts. where exactly bluesky falls | on the spectrum from "congressional register (immutable)" to | "public web" to "public IRC or discord room" to "private signal | group" is still being worked out, but probably closest to "public | web" | | - the protocol supports both "deletions" (retaining history), and | "purge" (aka "rebase") to remove all not-current content. this | isn't exposed via UI yet and accounts have not had the chance to | purge old deletions | | - the federation protocol and unified firehose should make it | possible for third parties to maintain a live mirror of the | entire corpus. importantly, it will be easy (or at least | "easier") to respect intents w/r/t deletions when done this way, | compared to dumps | | - obviously neither "deletion" nor "purge" can perfectly remove | content from 3rd party dumps and infra, or from hostile parties. | but it _does_ signal user intent clearly, and we expect as a norm | that third parties will respect that intent. ADS-B, robots.txt, | CC licensing are related to these norms, though all unique. | right-to-be-forgotten, archiving, re-use licensing, use in ML | training, commercial /non-profit reuse, search indexing, etc, are | all on our radar | | - blobs/images are not included in this corpus | | - this specific corpus does not (I assume) include our important | "label" moderation metadata. at least for our (Bluesky) core | moderation decisions, that information will be public | | - private/group content is not yet part of protocol. eg, no | built-in mechanism for DMs or follower-only posts. we will | probably do those eventually, but it will be basically a whole | separate protocol, not a bolt-on to existing stuff. wildly | different privacy/security concerns with non-public content | | - there are some other cool projects, like | https://bsky.jazco.dev/, working with the full social graph, | pulled via public API | brundolf wrote: | Thanks for weighing in | | It's disappointing to hear that follower-only/circles | (whitelisted viewers) posts are basically incompatible with the | current protocol. I'd hoped something could be done where the | post content was encrypted in such a way that only specific | authenticated users could decrypt it, or something along those | lines ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2023-05-06 23:00 UTC)