[HN Gopher] Thunderbird Is Thriving: Our 2022 Financial Report ___________________________________________________________________ Thunderbird Is Thriving: Our 2022 Financial Report Author : ktosobcy Score : 74 points Date : 2023-05-09 21:17 UTC (1 hours ago) (HTM) web link (blog.thunderbird.net) (TXT) w3m dump (blog.thunderbird.net) | waboremo wrote: | An average of $21 is very impressive considering Thunderbird's | position. I believe Wikimedia averages to about $15. Although I | suppose its position is probably a large part of the comfort to | donate more. | neilv wrote: | When you follow the link on that page to donate, select monthly | recurring donation, and go to enter payment info, they then try | to upsell you (with a checkbox checked by default) to "Cover | transaction costs". | | (When you click the info icon: _" When you cover our transaction | costs, you're covering both our processing and donation platform | costs."_) | | It's easier for a non-profit charity to be pushy about fund- | raising, because it's for a good cause. But that's not Mozilla. | Facets of Mozilla are run more like a for-profit tech company, | including layoffs of engineers while executives still demand high | compensation. Pushy comes across differently. | | People want to tip the waiter, and would feel positively about | that, at the same time they'd feel negatively about a restaurant | owner trying to sneak a made-up fee onto the bill. | robocat wrote: | I suspect it is a "industry" trend in donations - I saw this | yesterday when donating which I don't do often - I think they | asked for $17.50 "transaction costs" on a $150 donation. | ktosobcy wrote: | (if only Firefox were getting funding directly...) | Multicomp wrote: | I was about to say, if this is _too_ successful, Thunderbird | may find themselves with a target on their back, so Mozilla | doesn't have to keep fielding questions from users about how | they can fund Firefox directly instead of general donations. | | Only joking (I hope). | yamtaddle wrote: | Maybe Thunderbird will spin off a light, snappy little web | browser with excellent quality-of-life features and a no- | nonsense UI. | [deleted] | [deleted] | throw7 wrote: | Implement jmap then! | fswd wrote: | Please fix search. It's completely broken and unusable IMHO. | j1elo wrote: | I still receive the occasional email from this bug report, | about being able to force excluding undesired noise from search | results: | | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752844 | | It's been open for, I don't know, 5 or 6 years? ( _checks the | link... yup, actually 11_ ) | | Another one I'm subscribed too, also related to search and | discovery, is this one about using boolean operators: | | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=297852 | | I commented in a recent thread about GitHub at last being able | to search for "WORD" and finding "-DWORD" in results, they took | somewhere around 6 years since I had the need, so it was a | welcome improvement... so maybe 2023 will be " _the year of | search on the desktop_ " and Thunderbird will start improving | its UX for searching emails? Who knows. | | Meanwhile, it's been my go-to email client for ages, despite | this shortcoming which I had to learn to live with. The UI for | searching past emails is very bad, so ironically I ended up | changing habits to avoid having to search at all (not the ideal | outcome of using a tool, but here we are) | krastanov wrote: | While we are complaining about search-related issues: I | constantly end up with messages that I know I have received, | that the search might or might not list, but that then can not | be opened until I run "repair folder". Happens with multiple | accounts with different providers. | | Still better than all alternatives I have tried though :D | tapper wrote: | They are working on a big UI over hall so this mite get fixt. | you can test it out in the beta | prox wrote: | I use Postbox which basically runs on Thunderbird I believe | but has some professional tooling : https://www.postbox- | inc.com/ | | I started using it when Thunderbird went under the previous | time. | krembo wrote: | After reading your comment I went into their website and in | 2 minutes I'm convinced that I'm not going to consider | postbox at all. If they couldn't find a single female for | their hero video, as a male I'm embarrassed, and I'm out. | nitins_jakta wrote: | Too bad there's no Linux port. | JohnFen wrote: | That would be fantastic. Thunderbird's search is indeed pretty | much worthless. | hu3 wrote: | Do they use SQLite fulltext for search? If not, that would be | an opportunity. | wahnfrieden wrote: | useless for CJK | chrismeller wrote: | I'm always amazed at the staff numbers for these kinds of | projects. I'm glad things are going well for them, but that | really seems like a high employee count for such a simple | project. | ipaddr wrote: | From 15 to 24 this year for the entire company making best | desktop email? That's a reasonable number that could be higher. | | Facebook had 80,000-90,000 employees before the purge | piecerough wrote: | Such a huge influx of capital with no mention of Generative AI | features reading & writing emails for you. | | Impressive! | JohnFen wrote: | Heh, that didn't occur to me. Indeed, that's a cause for | celebration! | | If they had included such goals, though, I'd be likely to stop | donating money to them. | flangola7 wrote: | I'd be kind of okay with it if the code all ran locally. | tapper wrote: | Why does there have to be a Android and IOS ports of Thunderbird? | Just stick to desktop. This happens all the time now. | ktosobcy wrote: | I guess they want to have "universal experience" and I don't | blame them. Though, in case of Android they are going to | rebrand k9-mail AFAIK. | tapper wrote: | May be it's just me, but I don't use email the same on my | phone as I do desktop. I have 5 accounts on my desktop but | just the one witch is my mane on my phone. Aps these days | cant just stay good at one thing like ff being good on | windows. They want to be good on Windows, Linux, BSD, Android | so on and so on. | ktosobcy wrote: | I have same accounts in k9mail and use it to quickly filter | mail - quite handy. Longer replies I do from the computer. | | As for FX - i do use it on macos and it works perfect for | me. | parl_match wrote: | Why does there have to be a Thunderbird at all? The people | building Thunderbird are clearly motivated to build FOSS/Libre | communication tools for people. | | As more and more people move to using Android and ios as their | primary computing environment, the existence of accessible | FOSS/Libre tools such as Thunderbird becomes more important | than ever. | | So, if they're interested or dedicated to building open tools | for people to use, they can choose where to go, whether you | like it or not. :) | | e: By the way, have you donated to Thunderbird? If you are able | to pay for the software you use, especially when it seeks to be | a force for good, then you should. Even $20 a year goes a long | way for an organization like this. | tapper wrote: | Yes mate I do donate to TB, NVDA and OpenWrt. NVDA is | different though as I cant use my computer with out it. It's | a screen reader for blind people. | waboremo wrote: | An android port is within top 3 requests as per Mozilla | Connect's Thunderbird section. Makes sense to me to work on | such requests when you're operating off donations. | tapper wrote: | I didn't know about Mozilla Connect's. If this is so then let | it be. | waboremo wrote: | Now you know and can get into voting for the suggestions | you deem valuable! | | I don't know if there are any other public surfaces the | Thunderbird team uses to figure out what to work on | (outside of bug reports/telemetry and Mozilla Connect). | JohnFen wrote: | Thunderbird is my mailreader, and personally, I'd love to have | an Android port of it. But if it never happens, that's OK too. | Faaak wrote: | Ceki, from K9 mail, is working for Mozilla now | JohnFen wrote: | Even better! K9 is what I use on my phone right now. | mqus wrote: | Isn't the android "port" just the rebranding of K9? | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31727376 | parl_match wrote: | Well, they also continued development. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2023-05-09 23:00 UTC)