[HN Gopher] Expensive energy may have killed more Europeans than... ___________________________________________________________________ Expensive energy may have killed more Europeans than Covid-19 last winter Author : mfiguiere Score : 65 points Date : 2023-05-10 21:56 UTC (1 hours ago) (HTM) web link (www.economist.com) (TXT) w3m dump (www.economist.com) | mavu wrote: | Can't possibly be secondary effects of Covid-19, right? | | Because that would mean we would have to acknowledge long covid, | and possible immune system damage of repeated infections. | | That won't do at all, people might want not to die for the | ecconomy. | goatlover wrote: | You can't separate the economy from the well being of people. | drekipus wrote: | Good point | anonporridge wrote: | When robots do all the work you can. | [deleted] | neurobama wrote: | The evidence-based research on long COVID is limited and of | mixed quality. From what I've seen, there are significant gaps | in experimental methodology and a lot of studies based on | extremely subjective surveys which don't effectively filter co- | morbities. I would strongly caution you to examine the data | before adopting a strong position on the issue and applying it | to potentially unrelated phenomena. | pasttense01 wrote: | People should have been able to adapt to the need to use less | heating energy. 1. Wear warmer clothing. 2. Very substantially | cut down on the portion of the house you live in and consequently | need to heat... | renewiltord wrote: | It appears very fortunate that India has increased oil exports to | Europe. May have reduced this impact somewhat and saved lives. | julienb_sea wrote: | The movement towards renewables and away from reliable, | inexpensive fossil generation will continue this trend in years | to come. Gas generation is increasingly economically unviable | with so much competition from renewables, but it remains | necessary in order to provide baseload capacity, fill gaps when | renewables are underperforming, and handle significant energy | demand (e.g. an extreme winter storm). | dougmwne wrote: | It certainly seems to have killed several businesses in my city. | mustacheemperor wrote: | Indirect victims of Russia's invasion of its sovereign neighbors. | | It is so unfortunate that Europe became dependent on Russian | energy. | | I was too young to remember these events firsthand, but learning | about Grozny in the history books, I am mystified that the world | was so eager to cooperate with Russia such a short time later. | Putin completely destroyed a cosmopolitan city killing thousands | of civilians. The Russian military offered the defenders safe | passage out of the city and mined the road overnight before they | left. | | Just over a decade later Nordstream 1 turned on Europe's money | tap for Russia. And now we suffer the consequences. | | HN, this is semi-off topic, and emotional, but this war makes me | so sad. Some of my partner's family fled across Ukraine from this | invasion. The generational farm she visited as a kid is only a | memory now: I will never see it. When we first started dating we | talked about how nice it would be visit one day, and now it's | been destroyed. Her grandmother wanted to live out the rest of | her days in Kyiv and instead had to flee through Poland for DC | where she is confined in a condo with my mother in law, watching | her country be destroyed on the news. | thriftwy wrote: | Somebody has to supply your energy. Is Bashar Assad a better | option, or perhaps Saudis are better? Islamic republic or Iran | perhaps? | | If you don't like how Russia handled Ichkeria, you are not | alone because Russians have exactly that feeling about | Yugoslavia as well as Iraq. | anonporridge wrote: | They're ultimately victims of their own political leaders who | increased dependency on Russian gas in order to irrationally | kill nuclear fission energy. | | Anti-nuclear energy activists will likely go down in history as | villains. | deanCommie wrote: | https://archive.is/5VEZE | neonate wrote: | http://web.archive.org/web/20230510215922/https://www.econom... | 110889725 wrote: | Btw, the title means that: this past winter, more people died due | to "expensive energy" than due to Covid-19. | | It's not the case that more people died last winter due to | "expensive energy" than due to Covid-19 in total (see | https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105). | jahnu wrote: | A very important detail! Deaths from covid are way way down | mainly because of vaccines. | preciz wrote: | Why is HN so eager to cheer vaccines wherever it can? This is | not a Hollywood movie where you get super powers 5 seconds | after a vaccine but the real world where in the middle of a | pandemic a vaccine is introduced based on fake efficacy data | which is then makes billions of dollars for the producer | company which is connected to the media which creates panic | so the product basically gets mandated and masks get forced | on 2 year olds while kids can't go to school and live a | normal life. | | Vaccines should be treated as other medical products and | people who worship them needs some basics about statistical | fraud. Let the downvotes come. | jupp0r wrote: | It's technically also not true that people were killed by | "Expensive energy". | usrusr wrote: | Makes me wonder how many people have died because of terrible | headlines... | drekipus wrote: | That reminds me of the time I saw a local newspaper with | the front page headline | | "Fatal distraction kills driver" | | But with the irony of a red square covering 80% of the | page, as a Foxtel ad. Lemme see if I can find it.. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2023-05-10 23:00 UTC)