[HN Gopher] Doug Rushkoff Is Ready to Renounce the Digital Revol...
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       Doug Rushkoff Is Ready to Renounce the Digital Revolution
        
       Author : fortran77
       Score  : 48 points
       Date   : 2023-05-11 13:12 UTC (9 hours ago)
        
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       | prepend wrote:
       | > Some weeks after my visit, Silicon Valley Bank failed and
       | nearly dragged the global financial system down along with it--a
       | direct result of the Trump administration's deregulation agenda.
       | 
       | Really? This seems kind of far afield. How is SVB due to Trump?
        
         | photon12 wrote:
         | There used to be stricter capital requirements and oversight
         | for regional banks, until:
         | 
         | https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-signs-...
         | 
         | See also:
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         | https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/silicon-valley-ban...
        
       | CyberDildonics wrote:
       | This is basically an ad (like everything in wired) for his latest
       | book talking about the worst aspects of the latest technology. It
       | says tech billionaires are bad and drops all the usual names even
       | though there is no new information.
       | 
       | I'm almost impressed with the amount wired can stretch out vapid
       | nonsense into an article. There is a photo of the guy sitting in
       | a bathtub with a laptop for some reason and a photo of him in his
       | office with a radial zoom filter for some reason.
       | 
       | It's basically an article about a guy's book that is written
       | about other news articles.
        
       | Syonyk wrote:
       | No real surprise. A good number of people who have grown up with
       | the promise of the tech are pretty well disgusted by what it's
       | turned out to deliver, which is mostly "A handful of
       | multibillionaires treating the rest of us as sets of eyeballs to
       | be monetized at all possible costs."
       | 
       | I'm certainly there. I grew up with the promises of the internet,
       | and I have to agree with Doctorow about "Enshitification." Most
       | of the promised stuff has turned out to have some pretty nasty
       | side effects and consequences. Turns out, humans don't scale to a
       | global conversation very well, and _especially_ not when your
       | goal there turns into  "ensuring they see as much of the platform
       | as possible to view your ads."
       | 
       | That's before getting into the fact that we can't trust computers
       | in the slightest, because they're too complex for even the people
       | who make them to reason about, and our software is a hot mess -
       | but, hey, we have tools to bring in all 2700 un-audited
       | dependencies for the Electron app! Hey, where'd my crypto wallet
       | contents go? Huh. Find someone who's done computer security for
       | long, and they'll either be a weird off grid prepper or be
       | planning for something of the sort, with nothing more complex
       | than a microcontroller or two.
       | 
       | We've tried, for north of a decade, and with a solid couple years
       | of effort, to build human interaction with various forms of
       | consumer tech intermediating all the interactions, and it's been
       | an unmitigated disaster in no shortage of ways (David Sax's book
       | The Future is Analog is a good survey of the topic). I've been
       | having good results lately returning to analog human interaction
       | around a campfire on a regular basis.
       | 
       | That's before you get into the slave labor, near slave labor, and
       | "I Can't Believe It's Not Slave Labor" that goes into pretty much
       | _all_ our modern devices - from the cobalt on up (Cobalt Red by
       | Kara is a good read here, Dying for an iPhone is relevant, and
       | there 's no shortage of others). It's nasty, and behind every
       | promise to do better seems to be some mechanism or another to
       | further obfuscate the human labor going into the modern short
       | lived electronics (because, of course, long lived devices are bad
       | for profit).
       | 
       | So, yeah. Good for him. The tech thing has rotted. Let's try
       | something different.
        
       | andanotherthing wrote:
       | I've been following Douglas Rushkoff for about a decade now. He's
       | written books about this for the last 10-15 years, and his
       | podcast 'team human'interviews some very interesting people.
       | 
       | I don't know about this article, but Douglas is as real as they
       | come. I'm not sure why people here are being cynical.
        
       | Apocryphon wrote:
       | Hasn't this been Jaron Lanier's shtick for years, too? And all he
       | gets is WIRED articles as well.
        
       | hemmert wrote:
       | It's so good to see this movement gaining momentum.
        
         | Animats wrote:
         | Not really. It's too diffuse. The closest thing we have to a
         | counterculture is the MAGA movement, and their leader is a
         | billionaire. No mob is marching up to 3000 Sand Hill Road
         | yelling "String them up!"
        
           | confoundcofound wrote:
           | The MAGA movement has a strong anti-VC-and-BigTech bent. I
           | wouldn't be surprised if they do take action.
        
           | iamdamian wrote:
           | Don't most movements start as diffuse changes in sentiment?
        
             | cjbgkagh wrote:
             | I think many appear that way but only due to successful
             | astroturfing.
        
               | iamdamian wrote:
               | According to The Affluent Society [0], a seminal book
               | that established the idea of "conventional wisdom", most
               | movements start with diffuse sentiment changes and then
               | crystallize into a "changing of the guard" only after
               | time has allowed a group to recognize that the general
               | attitude has shifted.
               | 
               | [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Affluent_Society
        
       | aaron695 wrote:
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       | mitchbob wrote:
       | Archived:
       | https://archive.ph/2023.05.11-115448/https://www.wired.com/s...
        
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