[HN Gopher] Hobson's Choice
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       Hobson's Choice
        
       Author : jackallis
       Score  : 57 points
       Date   : 2023-05-11 19:24 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | kelseyfrog wrote:
       | As a parent, you can get about a six months to a year with
       | Hobson's choice before your kids start to catch on. But in that
       | time, it's glorious.
       | 
       | The positive side effect is that afterwards, they've gained the
       | critical thinking skill of choice framing critique. ie: they are
       | keen to reject ill-posed choices and offer their own options when
       | the given choices are substandard - a skill , frankly, more
       | people could use.
        
         | vecter wrote:
         | This is interesting. Can you share some practical examples of
         | Hobson's choices that you gave your children?
        
           | bentcorner wrote:
           | "You can eat what we made for dinner or not have dinner at
           | all"
           | 
           | It's important as a parent to be able to follow up on both
           | options.
           | 
           | Once your kids get older you can adjust (because you can
           | explain the why and reason with your kids).
        
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         | jeffwass wrote:
         | I've found much leverage by giving a choice to my kids in an
         | orthogonal dimension.
         | 
         | Eg : "I don't want to eat broccoli with dinner!"
         | 
         | "Well, would you rather eat it on the pink plate or the blue
         | plate?"
         | 
         | Maybe I'm missing something or likely I'm diverging from the
         | actual Hobson's choice paradigm, but the Take-It-Or-Leave-It
         | example in the article is clearly not a choice (that's the
         | point presumably). But letting my kid choose the color plate to
         | eat the broccoli is a real choice although inconsequential to
         | the act of eating broccoli itself.
        
           | hackeraccount wrote:
           | People romanticize being a kid. I hated it. Adults were
           | constantly giving you the illusion of choice.
           | 
           | You want A or B?
           | 
           | I want B.
           | 
           | Are you sure you don't want A?
           | 
           | Yup. Definitely B.
           | 
           | Here's A. I'm happy you made the right decision.
           | 
           | And that's how it was. They'd let you pretend and then the
           | worst part was they would force you to be complicit after the
           | fact. And let's be honest I would have totally been a
           | responsible dirt bike owner. Maybe.
        
             | chrismcb wrote:
             | That isn't the illusion of choice. The illusion is giving
             | you a choice and getting you to choose the one they want
             | you to choose. In your case they asked you want you wanted,
             | then ignored you.
        
           | kaolabear wrote:
           | My parents gave me the choice between two jackets when I did
           | not want to wear one. I remember that I found it unfair to
           | give me this choice, but I wasn't able to articulate that at
           | this point. It might work for the parent, but it also has
           | side effects, because the child knows it is being tricked.
        
             | jeffwass wrote:
             | It's not about tricking the child, it's about helping them
             | manage their non-negotiable task by giving them some
             | choice(s).
        
             | kelseyfrog wrote:
             | Do you often find yourself rejecting ill-poised choices in
             | adulthood?
        
               | fshbbdssbbgdd wrote:
               | When a website asks me if I want to pay $10 a month or
               | save $20 by prepaying $100 for a year.
               | 
               | When my job gives me the choice of a drop in compensation
               | when my stock grant expires, or earning that promotion to
               | get raise.
        
       | ggm wrote:
       | The 1954 film by David Lean is fantastic. Beautifully shot, great
       | cast. Charles Laughton, John Mills Brenda de Banzie.
        
         | mellosouls wrote:
         | I came here to note that, an utterly charming film, with the
         | terrific classical actor Laughton following it with his sole
         | movie as director, the haunting, beautiful and unique _Night of
         | the Hunter_ which I 'm sure must also have some fans here.
        
       | ftxbro wrote:
       | This reminds me of a throwaway example someone was using while
       | they were envisioning a scenario of AI manipulating people, like
       | the AI can manipulate us as easily as a parent asking a three
       | year old if they want the asparagus or the brussel sprouts. I
       | forget where I saw it and I failed at googling it but I thought
       | it was funny.
        
         | nradov wrote:
         | My children were never so easily manipulated. The people who
         | make up those examples never had kids.
        
       | cancerhacker wrote:
       | TIL, Discworld trivia connection: In "Going Postal", the
       | protagonist obtains his horse from "Hobson's Livery Stable". (gnu
       | terry pratchett)
        
         | robertlagrant wrote:
         | Just went and checked that PreviousCorp still serves X-Clacks-
         | Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett on its production sites. Hooray!
        
       | roflyear wrote:
       | Poor man, when there was a very valid reason for doing what he
       | did!
       | 
       | "Hobson soon discovered that his fastest horses were the most
       | popular, and thus overworked. So as not to exhaust them, he
       | established a strict rotation system, allowing customers to rent
       | only the next horse in line.
       | 
       | This policy, "this one or none" ("take it or leave it"), has come
       | to be known as "Hobson's choice". It is not an absence of choice,
       | rather choosing one thing or nothing."
        
         | hinkley wrote:
         | Discovers queuing theory, but is remembered for "my way or the
         | highway"
        
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       | scottrogers86 wrote:
       | Also a nice rum bar in SF.
        
       | fanf2 wrote:
       | If you come to Cambridge you can see Hobson's Conduit, which
       | supplied fresh water to the city, and still flows alongside some
       | of the city centre roads to this day.
        
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