[HN Gopher] Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true ___________________________________________________________________ Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true Author : hillcrestenigma Score : 68 points Date : 2023-05-16 20:33 UTC (2 hours ago) (HTM) web link (www.theverge.com) (TXT) w3m dump (www.theverge.com) | nrp wrote: | I'm happy to answer questions that folks have around this | product. | deadmutex wrote: | Can you please elaborate on why the new mobo is so much more | power efficient? If anything is due to software (e.g. BIOS), | will you be able to backport these changes to previous version? | | Also agree with reviewer's comments about privacy shutters | being hard to see. My family members have complained about | "laptop['s webcam] doesn't work" when the shutters were closed. | This caused unnecessary bad experiences with using the laptop. | mkozlows wrote: | As a counterpoint, I love that they're subtle. I don't want | big things glaring out at me. (But when they're disabled, | there is an orange section. If you don't know that it's | possible, as your family probably doesn't, you won't think | anything of it, but it's easy to see at a glance the status.) | spruengli wrote: | Any chance you can dispense with the logo? | DanHulton wrote: | Why, oh why have you gone with the terrible "bar-style" arrow | keys instead of t-shaped? Apple similarly made this mistake, | and thankfully recanted. It was so miserable to use bar-style | arrow keys that I've officially sworn off of any keyboard (or | any machine with a keyboard) that has them. | ecliptik wrote: | Any plans for more official FreeBSD or OpenBSD support? | lousken wrote: | Kinda related - any plans to expand the list of countries you | ship to this year? Though, I am waiting for the 16" | nrp wrote: | We shared during our event in March that we'll be adding | Spain, Italy, Belgium, and Taiwan this summer. We're building | infrastructure to scale beyond that too, but we don't have a | timeline or specific set of countries we can share yet. | teruakohatu wrote: | When you expand to a country do you partner with local | companies to provide support? | | I have been hoping New Zealand gets added to the list soon | :) | princevegeta89 wrote: | Hi. I have an m1 mac but always missed linux since I got it. | Here are my questions if you can take a minute: | | How stable is the Linux laptop and what distros are officially | supported? What would be the best possible battery life I can | get out of that 13 inch Ryzen version that was recently | released? | lewisinc wrote: | Have you looked into Asahi Linux? | rowanG077 wrote: | I have been wanting to design a framework case for my own use. | Unfortunately the way I need to mount the motherboard means | that the air in take is on the other side then it is in the | Framework laptop. Would it be possible to either flip the fan | or run it in reverse mode? | csdreamer7 wrote: | Hi, thank you for founding Framework. | | Love my 12th gen framework laptop except for an issue with the | headphone jack. Waiting on a replacement for that. | | I do wish the keyboard was better. See the Thinkpad. Using the | function key for terminal paste + home and end forces me to | spend a second to think to shift between this and my Thinkpad | keyboards. I know you are coming out with magnetic ones-really | looking forward to that and hope they match the thinkpad. | javajosh wrote: | Will you ever stop iterating on the chassis and focus purely on | the replaceable components? Seems to me that a | reparable/upgradable laptop doesn't matter if you keep changing | the chassis such that in order to enjoy new features you need | an entirely new laptop every iteration. It also feels to me, as | an 11th gen owner, that I've been left behind with my power and | sound issues. Which is basically the same boat as any laptop | user. | kieranl wrote: | The chassis is fully compatible with all previous framework | laptops. | dpatterbee wrote: | My understanding is that every upgraded component which ships | with the new framework can be purchased separately and | installed in the 1st generation model. Indeed, this is the | primary selling point of the framework. What source have you | seen which says differently? | flapjaxy wrote: | I'm in the same boat. Though, I think about it differently; | the fact that I can print a case and use the mobo as a | headless server is a differentiator for me. I also don't know | if it's possible to design an attractive functional chassis | that doesn't need iterating. | | That being said I'd like to see a recycling program, or some | way to reduce the environmental impact from upgrades. | [deleted] | CarVac wrote: | What's changed about the chassis? | miloignis wrote: | From reading the Ars review, it certainly looks to me like | you get the massive battery improvements without upgrading | the chassis ( https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/05/review- | framework-lap... ). | | Is that not your understanding? | | Edit: The marketplace also has replacement speaker parts, | like https://frame.work/products/speaker-kit?v=FRANBXFG03 ) - | I'm now even more confused about how your older chassis is | holding you back. | javajosh wrote: | Just a reminder: I may not have read every resource on the | internet about this subject, and you can share information | without attacking the person for not already having it. And | it's not clear to me that I can fix these problems, and I | stand by my question and look forward to getting an answer | free of blame. | ThePowerOfFuet wrote: | My understanding is that a first-gen chassis precludes | none of the possible updates. | miloignis wrote: | Whoh, I don't interpret anything in my response as | blaming or attacking you, just asking why you thought | what you did. | | My apologies for coming across aggressively. | | I interpreted your question as blaming Framework for | limiting fixes to the new chassis, and wanted to know | your source for thinking they were limited, as everything | I saw indicated that they were not. | | Does the Ars review I linked not indicate that you could | fix your battery problems by upgrading the mainboard? (It | also mentions that using the larger battery will be | possible with a BIOS upgrade, which should further | improve things). | javajosh wrote: | Thanks for that, there's a lot I don't know. I still | don't quite understand what they are talking about with | "Laptop 13". Is that just a new motherboard in the same | chassis? that's not clear from the marketing. | teraflop wrote: | Just from a quick browse through Framework's replacement | parts, almost none of them specify which version they're | designed for. So _either_ they 're all interchangeable with | any chassis version, _or_ the website has an enormous | usability problem and can expect a lot of unhappy | customers. (I don 't own a Framework and I have no idea | which of these is the case.) | collsni wrote: | How does performance compare between your Intel and AMD | flagships? | deivid wrote: | I have a gen12 i5. The thing I am dissappointed with is battery | life. Will a motherboard swap to AMD significantly improve on | this? | gubneor wrote: | Better control over the power LED would be good -- its blinding | in certain environments | kieranl wrote: | You can adjust the brightness in the bios | loufe wrote: | Any efforts going into OLED/AMOLED/MiniLED displays? It's my | biggest hesitation point. | CarVac wrote: | Or just one with a faster response time? | | The current panel has quite long rise times. | yegle wrote: | I'd definitely want to try an eink display when/if it's | available. | juujian wrote: | Any plans on FOSS stuff? Option to ship with some linux distro, | dedicated linux support, maybe even libreboot or coreboot? | pkulak wrote: | Coreboot, please! | mustaflex wrote: | It would be nice if Framework can share a roadmap for | availability outside U.S (I'm from Belgium) for all their | products. | flapjaxy wrote: | Are there any plans to enhance the sound quality in future | iterations? The 80dB speaker upgrade makes it louder, but the | sound quality is still lacking compared to other traditional | machines. | gubneor wrote: | whats a traditional machine? it sounds a lot better than the | system76 i had prior to it | tough wrote: | Macbooks have great speakers, wondering if that's what he | meant | PotatoPancakes wrote: | Possibly, but literally no other laptops sound anywhere | near as good as Macbooks.[0] Apple has done some real magic | in the laptop speaker space, and they've kept their secrets | to themselves. Shame I always wear headphones. | | [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkYB931iUjc | Clamchop wrote: | Apple is way out ahead of the pack on this point. No (?) | trad PC laptop is on the same level so it seems like kinda | a high bar to clear. | atribecalledqst wrote: | I'm definitely thinking about getting a Framework, I could use a | decent Windows / Linux laptop for random hacking (and some light | gaming). Might wait until the next model comes out though since I | don't have any immediate need. | | Being able to replace components in my 2012-era Macbook Pro has | saved me a number of times and a laptop that's built around that | ideal sounds great to me. | | Are Frameworks generally in pretty high demand and hard to get? | Like when the next model comes out, can I basically expect that | it will be impossible to get for a while? | mkozlows wrote: | They're a small company, so at launch they meter them out | through pre-orders. If you order now, you have to wait for | later "waves." | | Once they're out for a while, though, they're just normal "pick | one up and buy it" things. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2023-05-16 23:01 UTC)