[HN Gopher] It's Time to Embrace Slow Productivity
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       It's Time to Embrace Slow Productivity
        
       Author : rbanffy
       Score  : 20 points
       Date   : 2023-05-19 20:45 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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       | wonderwonder wrote:
       | Its the lack of consecutive days off, 2 is not enough. 3 would
       | really be a change. I bet I would accomplish just as much during
       | the week as I do now, workplaces would just have to reduce the
       | number of useless meetings. I spend 4 - 5 hours a day in meetings
       | and am still expected to deliver actual code. Kill the meetings,
       | my code generation would be through the roof. There are several
       | things wrong with the American knowledge work place. Trapping 10
       | - 15 people on calls for half their day is a huge waste of
       | resources and productivity and leads to less work delivered and
       | more stress overall.
       | 
       | Cut my meetings in half and give me Friday, Saturday and Sunday
       | off and I will show you a 5x developer.
        
       | atleastoptimal wrote:
       | More importantly, I think, with AI automation coming in full
       | force, we need to decouple one's working hours with their right
       | to live a comfortable life, especially for the lower and middle
       | class.
        
         | macawfish wrote:
         | Seriously. Yet the political will to make this happen gets
         | polluted by bitter, vindictive narrative. I hope we can find
         | clarity soon to let go of our collective fixation on these
         | foolish narcissistic "leaders" who continue to divide and
         | conquer us. Though I suppose that fixation is a symptom of
         | unresolved junk that might just take generations to work out.
        
       | gffrd wrote:
       | This glosses over the fact that jobs are a central piece--if not
       | _the_ central piece--of many people's identities in the States.
       | 
       | We've lost religion and communities as things that define and
       | provide structure and purpose, leaving us clinging to jobs.
       | 
       | Is this good? No! It's terrible! We should fix this!
       | 
       | However, I'm not convinced that workplace stress is a matter of
       | hours ... it may be a symptom of lack of life beyond work--and I
       | don't mean in the "there's not enough time" sense.
       | 
       | I appreciate what Cal Newport advocates for, but it always feels
       | a little surface.
        
         | screwturner68 wrote:
         | Hours aren't usually the problem I think where a lot of the
         | stress comes from the fear of getting laid off, losing your
         | health insurance and having your car/home repossessed. People
         | that have lived these employee purges never recover fully.
        
         | Taywee wrote:
         | Many people I've met really could use more fulfilling hobbies.
        
           | petsfed wrote:
           | How many of those people feel like they have time to pursue
           | more fulfilling activities?
           | 
           | Speaking only for myself, my more fulfilling hobbies feel
           | like a zero-sum proposition when I factor in taking care of
           | myself, my kids, my home, etc. What little leisure time
           | activies I pursue are almost all pursued between the hours of
           | 9 and 11pm, because _that 's the time I have_.
           | 
           | I think the OP is right in a lot of ways, that work has
           | replaced our other social outlets. But its also the case that
           | just existing costs more, so time formerly spent on hobbies
           | is now spent on basic lifestyle maintenance, and the time
           | formerly spent on basic lifestyle maintenance is spent
           | working, or commuting to/from work (because a lot of people
           | can't afford to live near they work).
        
         | great_psy wrote:
         | Maybe work became the central piece in people's lives because
         | they don't have time to devote to other things.
         | 
         | It's a 40 hour work week, but add in commuting and chores and
         | decent sleep and you're left with a few hours left for other
         | things.
         | 
         | Hard to build an identity around a few hours of something else.
        
         | gffrd wrote:
         | I want to add: I 100% agree about the points on "unlimited
         | amount of things that could be done" and "unstructured
         | urgency."
         | 
         | I'm not sure if this has been found to be an effective
         | leadership/management tactic ... or if we sleepwalked our way
         | in to this reality (a la ping pong tables), but it's not good.
        
         | davesque wrote:
         | I feel like there's nothing inherently wrong with having your
         | work take up most of your mental space. With the way we have
         | things set up, it seems natural to dedicate most of your
         | attention to the place that your money comes from. What's wrong
         | is that employers in the US don't reciprocate that attention.
         | They're happy to have you committed to them without being
         | committed to you. The power balance has gotten way out of
         | whack. Time for unions to make a comeback I guess.
        
       | angarg12 wrote:
       | https://archive.vn/fEoP7
        
       | tortoise_in wrote:
       | This is true. Only one Sunday is off and the working hours for me
       | are not fixed! The problem with sales jobs is you have to be
       | always on the edge. Like edutech. You need to be always around
       | students and their have continuous followups. For personal life
       | you have to just manage things in between. I feel I am getting
       | angry and I have to do course corrections. But it's hard to earn
       | money at the of the day in certain domains. But yes skills
       | matters
        
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