[HN Gopher] Phishing domains tanked after Meta sued Freenom
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       Phishing domains tanked after Meta sued Freenom
        
       Author : todsacerdoti
       Score  : 106 points
       Date   : 2023-05-26 16:42 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
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       | thayne wrote:
       | The title is a little deceptive. From near the end:
       | 
       | > Unfortunately, the lawsuits have had little effect on the
       | overall number of phishing attacks and phishing-related domains,
       | which have steadily increased in volume over the years.
       | 
       | > Piscitello said despite the steep drop in phishing domains
       | coming out of Freenom, the alternatives available to phishers are
       | many.
        
       | talhah wrote:
       | While freenom did genuinely have issues with spam and the like.
       | 
       | I must say it played a pivotal role in my life, it allowed me to
       | do my passion and have a domain name in my early teens when I
       | couldn't pay for anything. Being able to toy with a domain name
       | led me down many rabbit holes and led to me trying out self-
       | hosting and system administration.
       | 
       | Sad we can't have free things.
        
         | nine_k wrote:
         | > _the free domain name provider has a long history of ignoring
         | abuse complaints about phishing websites while monetizing
         | traffic to those abusive domains_
         | 
         | If the way to have there things is defrauding others, then they
         | are not as free as they seem.
         | 
         | I'd say that a third-level domain is fine for teenage projects;
         | was fine for me even past teens.
        
           | Beached wrote:
           | can you link me some free third level domain services that
           | allow full control over all records? while I don't need it
           | now, in the past I have wanted such a service and was unable
           | to find them.
        
             | VWWHFSfQ wrote:
             | for $8 a year you can get a regular domain and then have as
             | many free 3rd level domains with full DNS control as you
             | want. or do you really just mean free free
        
               | TremendousJudge wrote:
               | based on the top level comment, I guess free free;
               | something a child without a credit card can use on his
               | own while playing around
        
               | p1necone wrote:
               | Yeah, the refrain is usually "anyone should be able to
               | afford $8 a year", but I remember being teenager and even
               | when I was making an income I still couldn't get a credit
               | card. It's less about the money and more about the
               | ability to pay.
        
               | 5e92cb50239222b wrote:
               | You don't really _need_ credit cards, we found ways to
               | pay for domains and hosting back in the day when we weren
               | 't legally able to get one (due to being minors). Some
               | smaller companies accept other ways to pay that can be
               | used anonymously. I definitely couldn't afford $8 a year
               | thought, so others were covering that.
        
             | ajosh wrote:
             | Sitelutions.com still offers this. Without a paid account,
             | the only limitation is the TTL.
        
             | nine_k wrote:
             | "All records" makes an important difference indeed. I
             | mostly thought about web projects where you need A / AAAA
             | and CNAME. I do remember that I had access to MX and TXT at
             | some free provider around 1995; GeoCities? Can't remember.
        
         | TheFreim wrote:
         | Same here, running little websites using a free hosting
         | provider and a tk domain was a great experience.
        
           | davchana wrote:
           | I recently recovered password for my 2002 era davinder.8m.net
           | free website. It is still hsoted all these 20 years for free.
        
             | lathiat wrote:
             | Yes! My freeservers site from the same era (2000, when I
             | was 15 ) is also somehow still alive. I don't have the
             | password though. So I cannot fix the error haunting me for
             | all time that I listed Generations as a TV series of Star
             | Trek rather than a movie.
             | 
             | http://stvoyager.iwarp.com/
             | 
             | I'd love to know how/why they've managed to keep all of
             | those alive so long. I am very appreciative but equally
             | surprised.
        
         | 5e92cb50239222b wrote:
         | I am still using a couple of .cf and .tk domains for semi-
         | serious mail, haven't had any issues with delivery.
        
           | throwawayadvsec wrote:
           | that's actually really weird
        
             | jeroenhd wrote:
             | These domains apply a serious bonus to spam scores, but if
             | you do everything else right (send a normal but not too
             | large amount of email, get your mail server from a domain
             | with high reliability, set up SPF/DKIM/DMARC/etc.) you
             | shouldn't fall below the spam line in most spam filters.
        
         | seszett wrote:
         | I have mixed feelings as well, for the same reason, but I find
         | it absolutely terrible that the citizens of Mali, RCA, Gabon,
         | and Equatorial Guinea have basically been robbed of their TLD
         | by their (mostly failed) governments.
        
       | nubinetwork wrote:
       | I wish they would do .cc next. I see a lot of spam from them on
       | my personal mailboxes. Followed by all those google gtlds.
        
       | throwawayadvsec wrote:
       | Note: they "stopped phishing" by basically forbidding almost
       | anyone from registering a domain, I've been trying to get a new
       | domain there for months without success
        
         | GordonS wrote:
         | Existing domains stopped working too, I lost the one I've been
         | using for 10+ years :(
         | 
         | The most annoying part is there has been zero communication
         | from Freenom - not a single email. They also never replied when
         | I asked what was going on.
        
       | obituary_latte wrote:
       | Now I just wish Google would get googleusercontent.com and
       | googleapis.com under control...
        
         | caretoelaborate wrote:
         | What's going on here?
        
       | IMSAI8080 wrote:
       | Any phishing domain in my spam folder is NameCheap 9 times out of
       | 10.
        
         | eli wrote:
         | Isn't it the biggest after godaddy?
        
           | IMSAI8080 wrote:
           | No idea. It might just be they are lower priced than other
           | places that attracts miscreants wanting domains in bulk.
        
       | paulpauper wrote:
       | It's funny how meta actually takes spam somewhat seriously,
       | unlike google.
        
         | amerkhalid wrote:
         | I was about to order something from a website[1] that showed as
         | first page result on Google Search.
         | 
         | Spending couple of minutes on the site, it became obvious that
         | it is a scam website. Confirmed further by another search on
         | domain[2]. I wanted to report it but there is no easy way to
         | report this. So I gave up and hope no one falls for it.
         | 
         | [1]: https:// littletikes . savemoney . store [2]:
         | https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=119138.0
        
           | eli wrote:
           | You can report phishing sites really easily here https://safe
           | browsing.google.com/safebrowsing/report_phish/?h...
           | 
           | Or alternatively report an abusive google ad here
           | https://support.google.com/ads/troubleshooter/4578507
        
             | jeroenhd wrote:
             | Every third of fourth technical Google search I try lists
             | about 10 to 20 fake sites. Many of them using .it for some
             | reason, but there are plenty of other TLDs with this
             | problem as well. At this point I'll click a .biz before I
             | click a .it.
             | 
             | I'm not going to report hundreds of domains every month.
             | Google needs to get their crap together.
             | 
             | The same is very much true for other parts of Google as
             | well. Youtube comments are hilariously full of spam.
             | There's a pretty good tool out there to get rid of the
             | spam, which just runs the comments through a basic spam
             | filter, but for big channels you can't let the tool run for
             | too long because of API call limits.
        
             | paulpauper wrote:
             | And likely nothing will happen.
        
               | BenjiWiebe wrote:
               | Ymmv but I've got very good results reporting websites to
               | Google safe browsing and them getting blocked.
        
         | Thoreandan wrote:
         | Google's ignoring spam is especially egregious through side
         | channels, e.g. spammers adding you to Photos message shares.
        
           | herbst wrote:
           | This is super annoying. I get mentioned in random documents
           | all the time... No idea why
        
         | rayval wrote:
         | Yes, Google launching .ZIP and .MOV domains is yet another sign
         | of the moral rot at a once ethical company.
        
           | 100721 wrote:
           | ~~Do no evil.~~
        
           | acheron wrote:
           | "Once ethical"? How far back do you have to go for that?
           | 1999?
        
             | yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
             | I dunno, I feel like you could make that case right up
             | until they merged with doubleclick.
        
               | stonogo wrote:
               | You could, but you cold make it the other way too.
               | 
               | https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-
               | in-ci...
        
         | kevin_thibedeau wrote:
         | I've had people open up Facebook and Instagram accounts using
         | my email address. They don't bother with requiring verification
         | to use their services. Before I took over the accounts I'd get
         | periodic notices about "friend" activity but never a nag to
         | verify the e-mail.
        
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