[HN Gopher] Tarkovsky's films online for free
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Tarkovsky's films online for free
Author : bookofjoe
Score : 260 points
Date : 2023-05-27 17:46 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| nathias wrote:
| always have been
| dang wrote:
| Related. others?
|
| _How 'Stalker' claimed the life of Andrei Tarkovsky and his
| wife_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32588569 - Aug 2022
| (1 comment)
|
| _The Drenching Richness of Andrei Tarkovsky_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29782009 - Jan 2022 (79
| comments)
|
| _The Drenching Richness of Andrei Tarkovsky_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26132544 - Feb 2021 (1
| comment)
|
| _The Drenching Richness of Andrei Tarkovsky_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26126004 - Feb 2021 (44
| comments)
|
| _Andrei Tarkovsky's Message to the Young: "Learn to Be Alone"
| (2015)_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22196779 - Jan
| 2020 (91 comments)
|
| _Andrei Tarkovsky - Poetic Harmony [video]_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11601651 - April 2016 (18
| comments)
|
| _Tarkovsky Films Free Online (2010)_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7107215 - Jan 2014 (52
| comments)
| dho9yr wrote:
| [flagged]
| dho9yr wrote:
| [flagged]
| haunter wrote:
| Funny that he actually already blogged about this back when they
| became available in 2010 (Mosfilm since introduced a new channel
| guess that's where the newness come from)
|
| https://kottke.org/10/07/tarkovsky-films-online-for-free-vie...
| rickstanley wrote:
| If anyone is wondering if there's any relation with the
| S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games, like me: > While not a
| direct adaptation, the video game series S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is
| heavily influenced by Roadside Picnic. The first game in the
| series, S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl, references many
| important plot points from the book, such as the wish granter and
| the unknown force blocking the path to the center of the zone. It
| also contains elements such as anomalies and artifacts that are
| similar to those described in the book, but that are created by a
| supernatural ecological disaster, not by alien visitors.
|
| from Wikipedia:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadside_Picnic#Adaptations_an...,
| unfortunately no concrete reference to actual interview or
| statement from the developers is provided in the page.
|
| Also, about Metro 2033 (game): > The book is
| referenced in the post-apocalyptic video game Metro 2033. A
| character shuffles through a shelf of books in a ruined library
| and finds Roadside Picnic, he states that it is "something
| familiar". Metro 2033 was created by individuals who had worked
| on S.T.A.L.K.E.R. before founding their own video game
| development company. The game was based on a novel of the same
| name which also took influence from Roadside Picnic.
| thriftwy wrote:
| The game is more like the Stalker movie than the book.
|
| In the book there were research missions and active urban life
| as well as smuggling, whereas the movie is spearheaded on going
| through the Zone while uninvited. The movie also has the post-
| apoc vibe whereas the book does not. The whole point of book is
| co-existence of the unknown with normal(ish) human society.
| dho9yr wrote:
| [flagged]
| mdswanson wrote:
| It might help new viewers to understand that Tarkovsky viewed
| film as art, not entertainment. As such, he purposely avoided
| strong narratives or plots, instead focusing on poetry, mood, and
| time.
|
| From the book "Sculpting in Time" by Tarkovsky himself: "I find
| poetic links, the logic of poetry in cinema, extraordinarily
| pleasing. They seem to me perfectly appropriate to the potential
| of cinema as the most truthful and poetic of art forms. Certainly
| I am more at home with them than with traditional theatrical
| writing which links images through the linear, rigidly logical
| development of the plot. That sort of fussily correct way of
| linking events usually involves arbitrarily forcing them into
| sequence in obedience to some abstract notion of order. And even
| when this is not so, even when the plot is governed by the
| characters, one finds that the links which hold it together rest
| on a facile interpretation of life's complexities."
| StrangeATractor wrote:
| Weird fact about Stalker, they were shooting in disused USSR
| factories that had just been left as-is -- a lot of people on set
| got cancer not much longer after shooting, likely from being
| around so much industrial waste.
|
| It's also way better than the book it was based on IMO (
| _Roadside Picnic_ ).
| ConanRus wrote:
| [dead]
| lightdot wrote:
| > a lot of people on set got cancer not much longer after
| shooting, likely from being around so much industrial waste
|
| Is there a credible source for this statement?
| jFriedensreich wrote:
| the main source seems to be the sound technician and two
| members of the set dying of the same form of cancer.
| https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/stalker-killed-andrei-tarkovsky
| bookofjoe wrote:
| That's interesting to me: I found the book far more compelling
| than the film.
|
| "Roadside Picnic" pdf: https://soviethistory.msu.edu/wp-
| content/uploads/2015/10/pic...
| Toutouxc wrote:
| IMO the Stalker game is like the darkest and most raw take of
| the general theme, the movie is the most philosophical and
| artsy take and the book is somewhere in the middle. And
| they're all worth it.
| sfpotter wrote:
| Hard to compare. They're completely different in terms of
| plot, mood, style... everything, really. Roadside Picnic has
| the signature Strugatsky Bros dark comedy running through it,
| while Stalker really has no comedic elements whatsoever. I
| prefer the book, for what it's worth. OTOH, I prefer the film
| Solaris to the Lem novel.
| aidenn0 wrote:
| I need to reread _Solaris_. I read it when I was like 14 so
| it was a bit beyond me at the time.
| cubefox wrote:
| Coincidentally, the German translation of Roadside Picnic
| has an afterword by Lem.
| pavlov wrote:
| The Stalker shooting locations are actually close to Tallinn in
| Estonia, a former Soviet republic that's an EU and NATO member
| today. So if watching the film turns you into a super fan, it's
| not too hard to go visit the sites!
| BulgarianIdiot wrote:
| I want cancer
| jFriedensreich wrote:
| that is so crazy i was in one of the shooting locations
| yesterady by accident (it is now a kultural venue location)
| and wondered why an area there had the name "stalker", of
| course i thought about my favorite movie but i never
| considered it being filmed where i live. thanks for this mind
| blow
| wahnfrieden wrote:
| The film was also lost in a lab and completely reshot
|
| edit: by lost I mean the usability was lost. it was destroyed
| in chemical process. thx for pointing out it was just half. but
| his textural differences are explained also by technique, he
| did it in his other works even through his late career (mixing
| sepia segments, different processing even in his final film)
| Ryder123 wrote:
| It wasn't lost but something went wrong with the film
| development on about half of it. I believe that's why it has
| two such distinct film styles (which also happens to work
| quite well for the film).
| sorokod wrote:
| Link to the Mosfilm YouTube
|
| https://m.youtube.com/@Mosfilm_eng/videos
| mark_l_watson wrote:
| I just bookmarked three of these. I have watched Tarkovsky's
| version of Solaris at least 3 times (and the American version
| with George Clooney and Natascha McElhone 5 or 6 times) - I love
| that story and both movies are so very good!
| cubefox wrote:
| Sounds like you would also like the novel. The Kindle version
| is a new translation by Bill Johnston. The previous one was a
| flawed retranslation (from Polish to French to English).
| hamilyon2 wrote:
| English hardsub is a savage move.
|
| Looks like all movies are hardsubbed
| haunter wrote:
| Mosfilm actually has 2 channels and the original older one has
| normal YT subs, but the movies are more geolocation restricted,
| they are not available in the US, UK, Canada.
|
| Solaris for example
|
| https://youtu.be/6-4KydP92ss
|
| https://polsy.org.uk/stuff/ytrestrict.cgi?ytid=https%3A%2F%2...
| jwilk wrote:
| What's the other channel's URL?
| JKCalhoun wrote:
| Better than harddubbed?
| xixixao wrote:
| I watched a random segment from Stalker, the embedded movie, and
| at 15:10 the woman gets in the car and the subtitles say "Come
| with me", while the character clearly says "Go!". Very confusing.
| The auto-generated subtitles got this one word right but have
| other gaps. So warning if you're gonna watch these that the
| subtitles might not be perfect.
| jamal-kumar wrote:
| I've found subtitles in general to be really off the mark after
| learning a few more languages, but at least it's actually
| possible to tell that they got it wrong if it's a subtitle and
| not a dub I guess?
|
| It's still insanely jarring and really messes with the
| experience if you speak the subtitled language and notice that
| over and over.
| nologic01 wrote:
| The cinema of directors like Tarkovsky and Bergman can only
| nominally be termed "movies".
|
| A combination of deep introspection, reflection on the human
| condition and achingly beautiful photography makes them all-time
| masterpieces, up there with the most important achievements of
| human culture.
| 2h wrote:
| [flagged]
| pizza wrote:
| If you're cringing to the description "achingly beautiful" by
| cringing, you're saying you find their description
| beautiful..
| shakow wrote:
| More generally, heaps of old Soviet movies are available in HD
| (and often subtitled) on Mosfilm YT channel, putting you a yt-dlp
| away from a movies night.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/@Mosfilm_eng
| Jun8 wrote:
| IMHO, if you'll be watching your first Tarkovsky film start with
| _Stalker_ , which is how my girlfriend (now wife of 27 years),
| introduced me to him many years ago. I was very much a Fellini
| person, and the Bergman-Tarkovsky school seemed cryptic (at best)
| at the time. When finished, ask yourself (1) if you would have
| gone into the room and (2) what the dreamlike sequences with
| Stalker's son meant.
|
| Second one should be _Solaris_ , if you're into SciFi or _The
| Mirror_ if you're not of if you'd like a challenge. I think _The
| Mirror_ is the better movie, the woman (stand in for T's mom)
| looking at the wheat field (T had these _specifically_ planted
| for the film!) haunts me to this day.
|
| I personally couldn't relate to The Sacrifice, perhaps his most
| personal film. His earlier films (Ivan and Rublev) I could not
| watch at all.
|
| To be a genius artist like him in the Soviet Union meant
| privileges unheard for art film directors in Europe (let alone
| US), eg see the wheat field thing above. It also meant you're at
| the mercy of the "masses". I had read an article once that
| included a comment for _The Mirror_ from a regular filmgoer,
| saying after 30mins it caused such a headache! The funding was
| based on such feedback and the movie was labeled as elitist (it
| is) which greatly impacted his career. It's infuriating to think
| T lost time due to such petty interference (OTOH, I could only
| finish the film on my third try, falling asleep in first two
| attempts! So she had a point)
| EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote:
| >> Stalker's son
|
| Um, daughter.
| Jun8 wrote:
| You're absolutely right, called Martyshka (little monkey)
| same as in the book. As I was searching for material on her
| on Google I came across this interesting article:
| https://przekroj.pl/en/society/the-stalkers-daughter-
| renata-...
| thriftwy wrote:
| > my girlfriend (now wife of 27 years), introduced me to him
|
| I like how some men have mercantile fears about their women,
| but they forget to fear that their girlfriend may _alter their
| inner self_. That obviously also cannot be undone.
| f6v wrote:
| I don't get what you're talking about.
| thriftwy wrote:
| You start dating someone, you become another person with
| different customs and passions. The more you invest in
| relation, the more is the difference, unless you had
| exactly the same prior background.
| weekendvampire wrote:
| Yes, that is a good thing.
| thriftwy wrote:
| Go watch Marvel then. Objectively good guys on display,
| always getting the bad ones.
| upsetdiscourse wrote:
| Ok, tell us what you know about personal volition
| protectionism. I'm interested.
| coldtea wrote:
| How some "alpha/sigma" male types think women are
| after/will get their money (I understand the parent to mean
| by "mercantile fears"), but they don't fear that they will
| affect their psyche/personality.
|
| Which I find a little odd, as these types, do absolutely
| fear that a lot (e.g. their fear that women would
| effeminate them, or make them docile, or p...whip them, and
| so on).
| coldtea wrote:
| > _His earlier films (Ivan and Rublev) I could not watch at
| all._
|
| Those also require a familiarity and understanding of the
| relevant culture of those places.
| dr_kiszonka wrote:
| Stalker is a beautiful movie but perhaps not the easiest one to
| watch, especially if you are not used to 10 min long shots of
| nature (e.g., water in a stream). Possibly Solaris, which you
| recommend too, would be an easier movie to watch first.
| ecks4ndr0s wrote:
| His book(Sculpting in Time) is a great read btw!
| pavlov wrote:
| It's actually five films because "The Passion According to
| Andrei" is simply the original longer cut of "Andrei Rublev".
|
| I believe Tarkovsky himself preferred the final cut which is 20
| minutes shorter (but still over three hours, so not exactly a
| cinematic snack).
| galaxyLogic wrote:
| Tarkovski's movies have what you could call a Russian sentiment.
| Hard to put in words what exactly that means but perhaps some
| fatalism and melancholy, how things are what they are and do not
| easily change except in our dreams. Looking back at Soviet Union
| and now Putin's Russia, and even the autocratic Czarist Russia
| before revolution, it is easy to understand where that sentiment
| comes from. But it makes for great, thoughtful art.
|
| Another great Russian movie from a contemporary director of
| Tarkovski is "A Few Days from the Life of I.I. Oblomov":
|
| https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079619/
| tpm wrote:
| And that sentiment is replicated by the director Andrey
| Zvyagintsev, in e.g. The Return (2003) or Leviathan. Both great
| movies with beautiful cinematography and very Russian feeling.
| triska wrote:
| _Solaris_ in particular seems more relevant than ever with the
| rise of ChatGPT and other generative AI services that do not
| understand what their outputs mean to us, and often produce eery
| simulacra of life.
|
| The final scenes of Solaris show this situation brilliantly in
| that their content matches the way it is shown: The scenes
| themselves mirror the depicted content with perplexing
| compositions, zooms and transitions, almost as if they were
| themselves created by an entity that does not understand the
| content or medium:
|
| https://youtu.be/Z8ZhQPaw4rE?t=9489
|
| Quoting from the book:
|
| _" QUESTION: Do you mean, for example, that the hands didn't
| move as human hands would move, because the joints were not
| sufficiently supple?
|
| BERTON: No, not at all. But . . . these movements had no meaning.
| Each of our movements means something, more or less, serves some
| purpose . . . "_
| Der_Einzige wrote:
| Solaris is by far his best movie, even better than STALKER
| (which is itself excellent). It seems many have not seen it.
| They are missing out.
| wheelerof4te wrote:
| STALKER created an entire franshise on it's own. Which to
| date has a very dedicated community.
|
| It is one of the best psy-films of all time.
| tezka wrote:
| It's one of his most accessible movie, and usually resonates
| with tech people for obvious reasons. His best movies imo are
| Mirror, Ivan's Childhood, Andrei Rublev, Stalker and then
| Solaris, Nostalgia and Sacrifice.
|
| Now Solaris book by Lem is far superior to Tarkovsky's
| rendition.
| jimbob45 wrote:
| I really didn't enjoy the ending of Solaris and, for that
| matter, The Little Prince. You don't need to have a punchy
| ending for me not to feel like I wasted my time with your
| movie. It's okay to let the journey stand on its own rather
| than throwing in a climax that feels haphazard and
| spontaneous.
| cubefox wrote:
| The original Solaris novel had a different ending, a
| disillusioned reflection by Kelvin, which I found much
| better. It was probably not dramatic enough for a movie,
| too analytical.
| pmoriarty wrote:
| I love _Stalker_ , and I'm a huge Tarkovsky fan, but hated
| _Solaris_. It doesn 't hold a candle to _Stalker_.
|
| I also like Tarkovsky's _Mirror_ and _The Sacrifice_.
| wahnfrieden wrote:
| (His worst and most overrated)
|
| edit re: slowness, it's a lot less slow than his final few
| works which I also adore. they're all great I just think the
| rest of his catalog gets less good word simply for
| drastically less popular exposure.
| [deleted]
| amanaplanacanal wrote:
| It's definitely a lot slower paced than our current ADD
| society is used to. An esteemed director like Kubrick's
| movies would seem unbearably slow to many.
| addled wrote:
| I think Kubrick's movies are fantastic, deep,
| atmospheric, thought provoking. True art.
|
| I have never made it all the way through one without
| falling asleep. 2001, Blade Runner, Dr. Strangelove....
| Even movies loosely associated with Kubrick like A.I.
| cause me to nod off. I have to stop when I'm nodding off
| and come back later fresh in order to finish.
|
| Maybe it would be different if I had seen them in
| theaters.
| 2-718-281-828 wrote:
| > 2001, Blade Runner, Dr. Strangelove....
|
| Gladiator was also amazing!
| 4ndrewl wrote:
| Love that film. "No, I'm Spartacus!" Classic.
| 2-718-281-828 wrote:
| spartacus, spartacus the merciful \o/
| twelve40 wrote:
| Gladiator was shot by Ridley Scott, just like Blade
| Runner. Kubrick (who i love) is so legendary, he really
| should just get credit for every great movie in existence
| ))
| pmoriarty wrote:
| I've never fallen asleep while watching 2001. It's
| definitely slow, but riveting for me, because (like
| Tarkovsky's film) there's a lot of meaning in the scenes,
| and they give me a lot to think about.
| tezka wrote:
| Blade Runner is not a Kubrick film.
| addled wrote:
| You're right. My mistake for lumping that in there.
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