[HN Gopher] A medieval comedy act has been discovered in first-e... ___________________________________________________________________ A medieval comedy act has been discovered in first-ever find, researcher says Author : isaacfrond Score : 73 points Date : 2023-06-01 11:20 UTC (11 hours ago) (HTM) web link (www.vice.com) (TXT) w3m dump (www.vice.com) | baerrie wrote: | I saw a medieval comedy with a killer rabbit when i was a | kid...by some troupe known as "Monty Python" | skippyboxedhero wrote: | [flagged] | meepmorp wrote: | Please don't. | hungryhungryhun wrote: | If you want to make racist jokes or not see the new kids movie | with the native american lead, just do so. | rippercushions wrote: | Where do you see the previous poster bring racist? If | anything, he is being anti-racist by calling out the | structural inequity of medieval society. | PcChip wrote: | is there a link to the actual manuscript? | a_shoeboy wrote: | Here's the Hunting of the Hare (starts on the page marked 113 | and it's in Middle English, but there's a glossary after): | https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236869902_'The_Hunt... | soneca wrote: | I was expecting to read the text. :( | thedailymail wrote: | The academic paper has quite a bit more detail. The link to it | in the Vice article seems to be broken, but it's available | (open access!) on the journal website. | | https://academic.oup.com/res/advance-article/doi/10.1093/res... | ilyt wrote: | It's vice, any expectation is too high for them | stronglikedan wrote: | Even solvency, apparently. | coldpie wrote: | Some better information in this article: | https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/homenews/23557334.librar... | | The manuscript itself seems to be available here: | https://digital.nls.uk/early-manuscripts/browse/archive/1336... | | I freely admit I cannot read it :) | lstamour wrote: | Interesting. The table of contents is rewritten in modern | cursive, though I can't read everything even there. | Contents The Hunttinge of the Hare. A Mock | Sermon. ... | | From there we can flip forward to the actual content and ... | yep, can't read it. Honestly the only reason I know it says | "huntinge of the hare" centred at the top is because I read | it in the table of contents. | | I can tell it's English, but that's about all I can tell, and | that only because I can read some of the words, but not all | of them. :) Maybe I can send the image to GPT-4 for | transcription and translation. (lol) | Izkata wrote: | Looks like a Gothic font with spelling differences, I think | the first line translated is something like: | | > (something) tale I will now tell | | Except the spelling is like: | | > (something) take y wyll yow tell | | I can also read what seems to be "me to blame" on the 6th | line. | jacobolus wrote: | ? letyll tale y wyll yow tell y troye hit wyll lyke | yow well that ye shall habe snd same ooooo | ?ot ?? it was the da? not say for appyr.??ly a nod? | day hit myself(?) t?ne me to blame ooooooo | ??ow take snd hede eny?hon how a yomon come rydyng | alon hafull fayve may he fond ooooooo he | lokud ke syde hym lys?t slydand he fond a hare(?) | full fay? syttand a pon a falow h?nd ooooooooo | he markyd wyll wher the fatt th thkyd to the town | as fast as he myght go th way then con he ha? | ooooooo ... | | I think the y with dot over is "the", but there seems to | be a distinction between y and th so I'm not entirely | sure what all the abbreviations are supposed to be. | poglet wrote: | If you take a screen capture then paste it into google | image search then select the text or translate button - it | also detects the English characters, but still makes very | little sense to me. | alvarezbjm-hn wrote: | I think the table of content is modern. It says "rebound in | 1964" after all. | | This is what seems to be the first page of the text | https://digital.nls.uk/early- | manuscripts/browse/archive/1341... | | I recognize latin characters in what my classmates called | "gothic font" in highschool. But I can't recognize the | language. | greenhearth wrote: | This is no surprise. There's a lot of Monty Python style in | Shakespeare, and he was definitely influenced by earlier sources, | such as medieval morality plays, etc. | dsr_ wrote: | Perhaps we should say that Monty Python draws on Shakespearean | comedy, given the relative times and the fact that we know that | most, if not all of the Pythons studied Shxpr. | geocrasher wrote: | And thus it was proved true that an artists value isn't known | until they are dead. | | In this case, it took six centuries for somebody to get their | jokes. and for those who don't get *my* humor, | it's a play on words about 'getting' jokes, physically, in | written form | heywhatupboys wrote: | IN BRITAIN! | | I think some of the posts on here are very anglo-centric. I like | that HN is a place that serves no one particlar nation or people. | [deleted] | andrewxdiamond wrote: | As a noob asking from a place of curiosity, does "Medieval" | mean anything outside of the Europe sphere of influence? | Medieval evokes a certain imagery in my mind, rather than a | time period. It feels weird and Eurocentric to refer to Asian | countries in ~1200 as "Medieval" for example. | nemo wrote: | "Medieval" can sometimes be applied to places like China or | India, but it's not used that way by historians. In general | historians don't use the terms "Medieval" or "Dark Ages" much | anymore, and if they do it's with qualifiers. For Europe | "Post-Classical," "Early Middle Ages" or "Late Antiquity" are | more often used refer to the earlier Middle Ages. | senkora wrote: | The general term is the Post-classical Era. | | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-classical_history | jahewson wrote: | Medieval refers to a specific European time period, I'm not | sure what you expected. | | > Minstrels were fixtures of European life in the Middle Ages, | but though countless references to these entertainers exist in | literature from this era, no clear records of an actual | minstrel's "repertoire," meaning their act or set, has been | identified--until now. | | What's not to like? | anthk wrote: | Also most of Europe had similar jokes both from books and | trovadours. | mongol wrote: | Got me thinking... what is the oldest, preserved joke? Is it | still funny? | krapp wrote: | The oldest recorded joke[0], as recorded on a Sumerian tablet | somewhere between 1900 and 2300 BC: Something | which has never occurred since time immemorial; a young woman | did not fart on her husband's lap. | | [0]https://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2017/09/oldest- | know... | anyfoo wrote: | An intellectual was told by someone: "your beard is now | coming in." So he went to the rear-entrance and waited for | it. Another intellectual asked what he was doing. Once he | heard the whole story, he said: "I'm not surprised that | people say we lack common sense. How do you know that it's | not coming in by the other gate?" | | Most of them suck by today's standards, but that one is | genuinely still funny today! | annoyingnoob wrote: | https://www.thevintagenews.com/2019/04/24/earliest-gag/ | drewcoo wrote: | In medieval England people joked about killer rabbits. Must be a | direct ancestor of Monty Python's rabbit - connection! | | In medieval England there was a sketch about "Robin Hood, | jousting bears, and partying pigs" yet there's no mention of Walt | Disney. | | I'd say it's a load of hogwash but I'm sure somewhere Becky | Ferreira has written about how medieval Britons used to bathe | their swine. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2023-06-01 23:00 UTC)