[HN Gopher] Stanford launches Archive of the Military Tribunal a...
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       Stanford launches Archive of the Military Tribunal at Nuremberg,
       1945-46
        
       Author : drdee
       Score  : 35 points
       Date   : 2023-06-01 02:37 UTC (1 days ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (library.stanford.edu)
 (TXT) w3m dump (library.stanford.edu)
        
       | BSEdlMMldESB wrote:
       | ah, this confirms some stuff.
       | 
       | now that the last person who lived through this has died, the
       | time is ripe for the 'official' history to be officially
       | officialized
        
       | NoRelToEmber wrote:
       | _They had also accepted Soviet insistence that only Axis
       | aggression was covered by the new court - otherwise the Soviet
       | authorities would have been in the dock as well for carving up
       | Poland in 1939 and attacking Finland three months later._ -
       | http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/20...
        
       | eschulz wrote:
       | The Nuremberg Trials were fascinating. While I think many of the
       | individuals leading the tribunal were trying to do a good job in
       | the tradition of their respective nations' legal frameworks, the
       | victorious allies could really not see eye to eye on what was a
       | fair measure of retribution, rehabilitation, deterrence, etc. So
       | my take is that largely all legal norms were discarded or
       | violated, and the tribunal had to reach sentences and conclusions
       | that were politically and diplomatically acceptable for the US,
       | UK, France, and the USSR (not to mention a dozen or more other
       | nations relying on the four victorious major powers in the
       | immediate aftermath of the war).
        
         | dmix wrote:
         | Are there any good documentaries or books that dig into this
         | without getting to academic?
        
           | eschulz wrote:
           | I'd be very curious to see what people recommend since I
           | think it's very important to consider how the victors behaved
           | at the end of the war. I studied some details about Nuremberg
           | while in law school, from an Anglo American legal point of
           | view, and then I spent a lot of time on wikipedia learning
           | the historical background of the individuals involved.
        
           | 0xdeadbeefbabe wrote:
           | Eichmann in My Hands by Peter Malkin
        
       | 29athrowaway wrote:
       | I wonder what the founding president of Stanford, David Starr
       | Jordan, has to say about eugenics, or how his ideas contributed
       | to one of the most horrific situations in human history.
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blood_of_the_Nation
       | 
       | https://archive.org/details/bloodofnationstu00jorduoft
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics#Relationship_wit...
       | 
       | Jim Crow and the Trail of Tears were other inspirations of the
       | monstrosities crimes against humankind tried at Nuremberg.
       | 
       | Nazis were horrible. Some Americans were just as horrible and got
       | away with it. Some of them worked as Stanford as _their first
       | president_.
        
         | idlewords wrote:
         | Another impressive reverse Godwin (niwdog?) in what is proving
         | to be a fecund thread.
        
       | ed25519FUUU wrote:
       | Nuremberg Code #1
       | 
       | > _The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely
       | essential. This means that the person involved should have legal
       | capacity to give consent; should be situated as to be able to
       | exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any
       | element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other
       | ulterior form of constraint or coercion_
       | 
       | Wow we sure threw that one out the window with the covid 19
       | vaccine didn't we?
       | 
       | Sincerely, a remote employee who was still forced to get the
       | vaccine with the threat of losing my job.
        
         | hackerlight wrote:
         | > Wow we sure threw that one out the window with the covid 19
         | vaccine didn't we?
         | 
         | I don't consent to breathing in the virus particles of someone
         | who increased their chances of getting infected, or increased
         | the viral load they carried around, because they refused the
         | vaccine. Ultimately you need some way to balance people's
         | rights whenever they are conflicting. Your right to refuse the
         | vaccine vs my right to not die due to your ignorance.
        
           | ed25519FUUU wrote:
           | How would you have breathed in my virus particles when I'm a
           | remote employee 1,000 miles away from you?
        
           | akomtu wrote:
           | We need to go deeper: "I don't consent to being exposed to
           | crazy ideas that bloom in the minds of some people."
        
           | iosono88 wrote:
           | [dead]
        
         | cyberax wrote:
         | > Wow we sure threw that one out the window with the covid 19
         | vaccine didn't we?
         | 
         | No, we have not.
         | 
         | Also, it's completely asinine to compare voluntary vaccination
         | by an incredibly safe vaccine in the middle of a pandemic that
         | claimed millions of lives, with forced medical experiments
         | often resulting in deaths.
        
           | gbN025tt2Z1E2E4 wrote:
           | > an incredibly safe vaccine
           | 
           | yeah, i'm going to need you to prove that statement by
           | showing me the standard 10-12 year safety studies available
           | for those "incredibly safe" mRNA vaccines.
        
           | phillc73 wrote:
           | In some countries vaccination was planned to not be
           | voluntary. This was the case in Austria, with a government
           | stipulated mandate.[1] The situation changed rapidly, but
           | just pointing out that vaccination against COVID was not
           | always planned to be voluntary, especially as the OP
           | mentioned his employer was mandating it.
           | 
           | [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60155635
        
         | idlewords wrote:
         | This is like a reverse Godwin. Nice!
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | AlbertCory wrote:
       | I recently reread _The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich_ which
       | was written a long, long time ago. But the author had paid his
       | dues by reading all this, when it was a lot harder to get at than
       | it is now.
        
       | IceHegel wrote:
       | I highly recommend Human Smoke by Nicholas Baker (2008) for a
       | book that puts WWII in a historical perspective different from
       | the one we inherited.
        
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