[HN Gopher] Intravenous Caffeine
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Intravenous Caffeine
Author : euthymiclabs
Score : 122 points
Date : 2023-06-08 15:24 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| amelius wrote:
| So, getting the downsides of coffee without the upsides of
| drinking it?
| ttymck wrote:
| Ah yes the venerable tooth decay upside.
| HPMOR wrote:
| Coffee doesn't cause tooth decay. Sugar causes tooth decay.
| You can drink Coffee without sugar.
| slabity wrote:
| Not a dentist, but I think it's the acid that causes tooth
| decay. Microbes create the acid from dissolved sugar in
| your mouth.
|
| The question is whether coffee is acidic enough to do
| damage even without the sugar.
| waboremo wrote:
| I believe the common theory is not the coffee acidity on
| its own, but the habits around it.
|
| People often drink coffee slowly and without a straw,
| this leads to staining but not tooth decay. However the
| slow part contributes to the teeth not getting a chance
| to neutralize acidity normally. This gets worse when
| people then brush their teeth after their morning coffee
| to prevent bad breath, which the abrasiveness combined
| with the acid environment does cause havok.
|
| Both of them can be avoided in a variety of ways, to
| reduce both staining and decay.
| ziml77 wrote:
| Interesting. For a few years I was extremely bad about
| brushing my teeth. I wonder if not doing that is why my
| consumption of coffee, carbonated drinks, and sugary
| snacks/desserts did nothing to the teeth themselves other
| than maybe a little extra staining. The first dentist
| visit I had after that stretch of 3 years required
| nothing but a cleaning! (Of course it's still bad to not
| brush consistently because the plaque turns to tartar
| along the gums which causes them to recede)
| waboremo wrote:
| Similar situation, he was surprised by how white they
| were too. I drink almost everything that isn't water
| through a straw and never swish it around. He said that's
| probably why the only reason he had to do any work was
| due to the very back edge of my teeth where even when
| drinking through a straw the liquid touches.
| joaonmatos wrote:
| You can have your espresso standing up at the cafe's bar
| like an authentic southern European and avoid the
| problem? Sounds great! :D
| searchingalways wrote:
| Hey look something I'm relevant too as a dentist.
|
| Tooth decay requires several parameters 1- bacteria 2-
| bacteria food source 3- acidic environment 4- time
|
| We all have the bacteria but the other ones are somewhat
| controllable. What many people don't account for is the
| 4th parameter of contact time. It would be better (for
| your teeth, not overall health) to rapidly drink several
| sodas than periodically sip one for several hours.
|
| Decay typically only occurs in a pH environment of 5.5 or
| lower, otherwise the enamel is resistant to the acid. So
| the longer the pH is lower the more likely you will
| develop a cavity.
| boppo1 wrote:
| So... how bad is a black coffee I sip on for 30 min?
| Google says the PH is about 5. No
|
| Also: it has definitely stained my teeth. Is there a way
| to remove the stains that doesn't weaken the enamel?
| oilchange wrote:
| You can try drinking coffee through a straw.
| UniverseHacker wrote:
| Adding milk to coffee will raise the pH to above 6.
| [deleted]
| crickey wrote:
| Tooth decay is inevitable unless ur eating meat with water as
| your diet.
| spacephysics wrote:
| Can confirm, did carnivore for 2 years and had very good
| teeth. Sill brushed twice a day but didn't feel like I
| needed it.
|
| Despite brushing twice a day and now only eating foods with
| some sugar, dentist agreed had better teeth on the meat and
| water diet.
| xattt wrote:
| Not mentioned in the article, but IV caffeine citrate is
| routinely used as a drip to support hypoventilating pre-term
| neonates.
| rossdavidh wrote:
| Yes, my daughter (born several months prematurely) was given
| caffeine for a while. The nurses described it to me as
| "reminding her heart to keep beating and her lungs to keep
| working", since she was so premature that it wasn't something
| they were supposed to have to do without the mother's help yet.
|
| My wife, who had gone through significant discomfort in order
| to cut off caffeine while pregnant (she was told otherwise the
| baby could be born already addicted to caffeine), was a bit
| exasperated when told that almost the first thing they did was
| give her daughter a caffeine IV. It was probably still the
| right thing for her to have done (so the caffeine IV had full
| affect), but I could sympathize with her position.
| rejectfinite wrote:
| Caffine pills are cheap af...
| shagie wrote:
| At a meeting where Electronic Medical Records was on the agenda,
| I happened to have been sitting next to a manager involved with
| that and joked about that you can't take ICD-10-CM Diagnosis Code
| T43.616A ( Underdosing of caffeine, initial encounter
| https://www.icd10data.com/ICD10CM/Codes/S00-T88/T36-T50/T43/... )
| to Starbucks with a prescription.
|
| He chuckled a bit and told a tale of when he actually had that
| show up on his hospital visit once.
|
| He was in the hospital for some reason. That next morning he was
| rather grumpy and after snapping at the doctor apologized and
| noted that it was 2 hours after he normally had his morning
| coffee... which he couldn't have. The doctor asked if he'd be
| better if he had some caffeine and the manager said "probably."
|
| So T43.616A showed up on his chart and shortly after that a nurse
| came by and added one cup of coffee caffeine equivalent to his
| IV. Apparently it degrumped the manager sufficiently shortly
| afterwards.
|
| The IV was _much_ more than the cup of coffee from Starbucks and
| there was some dickering with insurance about if that was a
| necessary or elective treatment.
|
| He concluded with that he wouldn't recommend it again.
| yellow_lead wrote:
| > added one cup of coffee caffeine equivalent to his IV.
|
| > The IV was much more than the cup of coffee
|
| To be clear you mean about same concentration i.e 100mg but
| higher absorption?
| shagie wrote:
| The price that the hospital billed was _much_ more than the
| cup of coffee.
| chimeracoder wrote:
| > To be clear you mean about same concentration i.e 100mg but
| higher absorption?
|
| I think he means that the IV caffeine _cost_ much more than a
| cup of Starbucks would have.
| akiselev wrote:
| Starbucks is like $5 per 100-200mg. IV caffeine is like $500
| per 100-200mg.
| firstlink wrote:
| And pills are like $0 per 100-200mg, so we know why the
| hospital didn't just use those.
| xyzzy123 wrote:
| If he's being administered IV caffeine instead of given a
| cup it's possible that he couldn't take pills either.
| pcthrowaway wrote:
| > Every drug seems to have a "right" way to take it. You drink
| alcohol, smoke tobacco, snort powdered cocaine, inject heroin,
| and booty bump ecstasy
|
| Nicotine at least is probably more commonly consumed via
| alternative means now (in North America, in <40 demographics at
| the very least)
|
| Vaping would likely be the most common, but there are also
| patches, gum, lozenges, dip, and snuff. I've never heard of
| anally consumed nicotine though
| cperciva wrote:
| _I 've never heard of anally consumed nicotine thoug_
|
| Never heard of blowing smoke up someone's ass? It was literal
| in the 18th century.
| crazygringo wrote:
| Wow, I thought for sure that would turn out to be an urban
| legend, but it's real and was medical:
|
| > _...it was a general mainstream medical procedure used to,
| among many other things, resuscitate people who were
| otherwise presumed dead. In fact, it was such a commonly used
| resuscitation method for drowning victims particularly...
| Smoke was blown up the rectum by inserting a tube. This tube
| was connected to a fumigator and a bellows which when
| compressed forced smoke into the rectum. Sometimes a more
| direct route to the lungs was taken by forcing the smoke into
| the nose and mouth, but most physicians felt the rectal
| method was more effective. The nicotine in the tobacco was
| thought to stimulate the heart to beat stronger and faster,
| thus encouraging respiration... Artificial respiration was
| used if the tobacco enema did not successfully revive them._
| [1]
|
| So it's not like it was for fun. But I can see how for fast
| delivery of nicotine, it made perfect sense.
|
| [1] https://gizmodo.com/blowing-smoke-up-your-ass-used-to-be-
| lit...
| ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
| Sounds like one of these "cocktails":
| https://www.ivbars.com/cocktails
| ano-ther wrote:
| Didn't realise caffeine was used IV in anesthesia. Apparently it
| speeds up awakening (which makes sense to me as a non-medic).
| https://theanesthesiaconsultant.com/2019/06/18/intravenous-c...
|
| But the story in OP is that the patient received caffeine IV at
| the beginning of the surgery (inducing severe anxiety).
|
| Does anyone know why you would do this?
| IIAOPSW wrote:
| Maybe someone put the wrong IV in?
| flangola7 wrote:
| Epinephrine increases the strength of painkillers. That's why
| there's caffeine in Excedrin.
| freedomben wrote:
| I thought the caffeine was there to restrict/narrow blood
| vessels which usually helps with migraines. Multi-purpose
| maybe?
| cjbgkagh wrote:
| AFAIK, I think it depends on where in the body,
| vasoconstriction in the head vasodilation for the rest of
| the body.
| etskinner wrote:
| What does epinephrine have to do with caffeine?
| [deleted]
| kilroy123 wrote:
| I had caffeine in an IV before. I was going under for surgery,
| and the doctor asked are you a coffee drinker? I told him oh
| yes, I'm a huge coffee drinker.
|
| When I woke up from the surgery, it was pretty weird. I was
| wide awake and alert very quickly. Never got a caffeine
| withdraw headache. It was awesome.
| Havoc wrote:
| I know people use a similar strategy for napping. Some people
| (not me) can fall asleep very fast so they down a coffee and go
| sleep for a nap...and then wake up super fresh 30 mins later
| manmal wrote:
| Maybe for vasoconstriction.
| netcraft wrote:
| I recently had a nuclear stress test where they injected me with
| a radioactive tracer through an IV. The nurse told me that
| sometimes it can give you a pretty wicked headache and to let
| them know if I started having any pain and they would give me
| caffeine through my IV. I had needed to abstain from any caffeine
| for 24-48 hours ahead of the test so this was surprising to me -
| but luckily I didn't need it through the IV. But I really
| wondered what it would feel like...
| carimura wrote:
| Coffee enemas are apparently an influencer thing right now.
| jandrese wrote:
| Whenever I hear something like this my first thought is that
| it's some stupid TikTok "challenge" that's intended to get
| people to humiliate/injure themselves on camera for the lols.
| ikmckenz wrote:
| Coffee enemas were a big thing in the 90s. The coffee is not
| hot (obviously). But you'd be correct to think there's no
| benefit.
| haskellandchill wrote:
| IV drugs, not for the feint of heart. Even with a good technique
| you will eventually blow up your spot and need to go fishing,
| then it gets horrific.
| engineer_22 wrote:
| TLDR; participants with cocaine history were administered
| caffeine IV. At high doses (300mg) they reported some mild
| euphoria, and a strange taste and/or smell.
|
| Ask HN: aside from caffeine, what is the drug of choice around
| here?
| mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote:
| Low dose dextro-amphetamine for ADHD in everyday life, weed for
| music and various other enjoyment, only occasionally. Alcohol
| and whatever nose-friendly stimulants are available for
| parties. Psychedelics at most annually(ideally 2C-B or
| (1p-)LSD, but I've tried a whole host of different ones) for
| deep contemplation and introspection.
|
| Watching my brother destroy his life with Heroin has kept me
| away from opioids for the most part, but I don't like the way
| they make me feel anyway.
| recursive_loops wrote:
| Opioids are no joke for sure. If you have good self
| discipline and can limit yourself to one every 2 to 3 days,
| it can be amazing and safe. But it makes you feel really good
| and many people don't have the self control required, so I
| recommend staying away. If you develop a physical dependence,
| it is not pleasant to say the least.
| mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote:
| I mean I've tried opioids, but they make me nauseous. And
| tired. And i specifically avoided trying really strong ones
| because yeah, I know I wouldn't be able to handle it. It
| took years of suffering even to be able to control my
| cannabis use...
| thedrexster wrote:
| LSD is my happy place -- and Adderall, but I've a prescription
| for that one!
| suslik wrote:
| Microdosing?
| deafpolygon wrote:
| crypto laced with AI
| Gordonjcp wrote:
| you want to try some snowcrash...?
| biomcgary wrote:
| That stuff will mess you up, man.
| uoaei wrote:
| Mushrooms
| oramit wrote:
| Caffeine pretty much every day, I can only have it in the
| mornings though or it interferes with sleep. Alcohol a few
| times a week, usually just one or two drinks. Now that i'm mid
| thirties the booze hits me much harder than before and
| hangovers are easy to get. Pot gummies on the weekend when I
| want to relax. I know quite a few heavy users who will smoke a
| couple joints then go do yardwork - crazy. If I have any i'm
| eating a heavy meal and playing video games. I sleep great with
| it. I started smoking cigars over the pandemic, only a couple
| times a month, you certainly get a nicotine buzz that is kind
| of nice. It is smelly though so I don't do it often and it's
| more for the ritual and relaxation than the buzz. Amyl nitrates
| for other recreation.
|
| Wow writing that all out makes me look like a degenerate :)
| ehPReth wrote:
| benzodiazepines.
| zwieback wrote:
| Zungenwurst, can't get enough of it
| hoosieree wrote:
| Successful debugging session euphoria.
| gpas wrote:
| Caffeine, nicotine, thc and alcohol.
| JLCarveth wrote:
| I doubt you'll get too many serious replies, but as a Canadian
| my DoC is cannabis.
| tasty_freeze wrote:
| THC containing gummies, once a week, for music enhancement
| before bed.
|
| Tangential details...
|
| The 2018 hemp farm bill allows products to have up to 0.3% THC,
| but it took years for people to realize that gummies are hefty
| enough that 0.3% means a gummy can have 10-20mg of THC. So, at
| the ripe age of 57 I finally tried THC.
|
| It was very frustrating because most of the good stuff I
| expected didn't happen: no euphoria, no munchies, no
| relaxation. I do get some of the negative things, like dry
| mouth. The one good thing I get is music enhancement, but only
| if I do it once a week or less (10-15mg). I've tried doing it
| more frequently and upping the dose to compensate, but nope: if
| I invoke the genie too frequently he refuses to come out of the
| bottle.
| mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote:
| Is there anything other than THC in those gummies? Many of
| the effects might depend on non-THC cannabinoids. Also, for
| some reason, some effects happen upon smoking or vaping but
| not through edibles. There are various theories about why,
| but it's all very complicated.
| tasty_freeze wrote:
| Part of my experimentation was to try many different doses,
| just thc, thc + cbd in various ratios, ones claiming to
| have "live rosin" or whatnot.
|
| I did finally try a real joint -- of course it hits much
| faster, but the lung irritation and health concerns weren't
| worth it.
|
| I'm a bit jealous of people who have a great time. A guy in
| the band I'm in is 45 and has been a daily smoker for 30
| years. He is highly functioning -- has a good job, has kids
| -- and can work while high. I guess he knows exactly his
| response and does enough to feel good but not enough to
| cause problems. He also has a really high tolerance.
| zls wrote:
| I'm surprised you do it before bed! I find that especially
| with edibles, using thc too close to bed makes me sleep
| deeply but wake up groggy. Typically I need an afternoon nap
| the next day. I believe thc fucks with REM.
|
| Food is totally unchanged for you? Wild! What about
| movies/tv?
| recursive_loops wrote:
| I get very little effect from weed unless I take a huge
| amount, in which case I also feel miserable with "too much"
| symptoms. It just doesn't seem to work for some people
| tasty_freeze wrote:
| Yup, it isn't enhanced at all, and I don't get extra
| cravings.
|
| Although I gone up to 25mg while I was experimenting to
| find a dose that works best for me, my target is 10mg.
| Maybe that isn't enough to trigger munchies.
|
| Because the only thing I find it good for is music
| enhancement, I like to take a gummy around 9pm-10pm, then
| two hours later put on three albums with a particular kind
| of music, then hope that I get enhancement. If I'm feeling
| tired that day, though, I put it off because sucks to hit
| the sweet spot and then immediately fall asleep and not get
| to enjoy the music.
|
| By enhancement, I mean I experience pronounced stereo
| separation and deeper notes seem to be very resonant.
| Sometimes I get little floaty and feel like I'm suspended
| in zero gravity while I drift to the music. Because I do it
| only once a week, I don't notice any disruption of my
| sleep.
|
| EDIT: you asked about TV/movies. I don't watch them, so I
| don't know.
| Loveaway wrote:
| Meh I think I'm done with THC. You'll always find plenty of
| enthusiasm and love everywhere for it, but then I never
| really met or talked to a single person who didn't eventually
| became conflicted about it and concluded the negatives far
| outweigh whatever you get out of it.
|
| Thankfully it's doesn't cause any serious harm to you as far
| as drugs go.
|
| I wonder though, about a 100 years ago, when weed was
| criminalised, it wasn't just made illegal - people went out
| of their way to destroy and get rid of every single hemp
| plant they could find in nature. Across the whole globe no
| less. That's quite a statement. Maybe that's bound to happen
| again.
| mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote:
| Nice to meet you. I've actually concluded(through
| experience) that heavy cannabis use has mainly downsides
| with no upsides, but that sporadic use only has upsides. I
| have several friends who feel the same way. They smoke even
| less than me, maybe a couple times a year. I've met some
| people who completely swore it off too.
| cactusplant7374 wrote:
| ketamine
| ycombinete wrote:
| Methylphenidate
| zhynn wrote:
| kratom.
| zhynn wrote:
| leverage.
| mock-possum wrote:
| I've settled upon: Caffeine at work, alcohol not at work, molly
| to party with friends, weed to party on my own.
| [deleted]
| zeta0134 wrote:
| Music. String ensembles are the best, choir is a close second.
| Rapid response, mild euphoria, no unpleasant side effects.
| Repeated exposure can induce fatigue, making it an excellent
| sleep aid.
| PKop wrote:
| Running, hiking, lifting
| willcipriano wrote:
| Adrenochrome
| nologic01 wrote:
| open source utopia
| BenFeldman1930 wrote:
| Books.
| [deleted]
| hammock wrote:
| > high doses (300mg)
|
| What's the equivalent of a 300mg IV dose in oral ingestion?
| engineer_22 wrote:
| Per article it's 4-5 shots of espresso. Apparently caffeine
| is absorbed quickly by the gut, so if you shoot it all down
| at once, you'd get similar results.
| boredemployee wrote:
| meth and adderall
| [deleted]
| bigdict wrote:
| AI hype
| [deleted]
| kenniskrag wrote:
| chocolate
| isoprophlex wrote:
| web3 projects not working out; schadenfreude in general; the
| smell of my own farts.
| awestroke wrote:
| Arrogance
| sdwr wrote:
| That's the good stuff!
| kayodelycaon wrote:
| Personally, prescription medications are great: legal,
| consistent, safe, and effective.
|
| Wellbutrin (NDRI) every morning. Helps with attention and
| alertness. It isn't classified as a stimulant, so I don't need
| to deal with the regulations around regular ADHD meds. It also
| helps with sexual dysfunction caused by other meds.
|
| Benzos for social events. Way better than alcohol. All of the
| chill and none of the impairment. :)
| loves_mangoes wrote:
| I had heard that there's a community of people who insufflate
| caffeine on Reddit, but this one is news to me.
|
| Seems a little funny to go through all the trouble and extreme
| stigma of injecting yourself with an IV drug, only to pick ground
| up coffee beans as your poison of choice (!)
|
| The study is interesting mostly for the fact that someone tried
| it, but ultimately the results don't show a very strong effect. I
| wouldn't put too much confidence in how well it would replicate
| either, these kind of studies can have a lot of variation.
|
| >Every drug seems to have a "right" way to take it. You [...]
| booty bump ecstasy
|
| That is not really typical. People normally eat it as ecstasy
| pills, or as MDMA powder.
|
| Most recreational drugs can be taken rectally, that usually makes
| for a higher bio-availability and a faster peak plasma
| concentration. Some people do that a lot, with everything. It is
| not specific to ecstasy, that I know of.
| girvo wrote:
| Nearly any drug (modulo those that have very specific
| contraindications for it, like codeine) that can be taken
| rectally can be IVed too. Back when I was still an active
| heroin addict, I would IV MDMA if I was going out for the
| night. It's incredibly intense, more intense than most other
| drugs when administered that way. bk-MDMA was superior to even
| MDMA itself when IVed, as well.
| pcthrowaway wrote:
| > I had heard that there's a community of people who insufflate
| caffeine on Reddit
|
| I'm curious if it even absorbs well via the sinuses. From
| experience with powdered caffeine (mixing with shampoo as a
| folk treatment for hair loss), it doesn't readily dissolve at
| room temperature water, though of course it dissolves just fine
| in hot water, which is why the standard quick extraction from
| coffee beans involves hot water (cold brew by contrast,
| involves long periods of steeping for a result that still has
| less caffeine)
| germinalphrase wrote:
| A paramedic friend advised that if you ever end up in the
| hospital in a lot of pain, always opt for the suppository.
| stronglikedan wrote:
| Your friend isn't wrong. It's pretty much a direct blood
| vessel highway to the brain.
| polishdude20 wrote:
| Hows that more direct than an injection?
| atdrummond wrote:
| It isn't - but if you're a tough stick, it's preferable
| to getting a central line or an IO shot.
| atomicnumber3 wrote:
| Probably the ease and reliability of application.
|
| Not everyone is easy to start an IV on, especially if
| it's hard for them to hold still (like if they're in so
| much pain that they're considering between IV drugs or a
| suppository).
| leetrout wrote:
| Reoccurring kidney stone sufferer here!
|
| Belladonna and Opium (B&O) suppositories are one of the best
| things that I've discovered. They were very reluctant to
| write me a prescription for them but they were life changing
| last time I had to pass a stone. Dunno what would happen if I
| asked for one outright... when I tell them dilaudid doesn't
| do much for me I get treated very skeptically.
|
| https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03332056
| freedomben wrote:
| > _Dunno what would happen if I asked for one outright..._
|
| Nowadays unless you're over 65 you'd be labelled with "drug
| seeking behavior" (in your records) and sent home with
| nothing and a "come to the hospital when you pass your
| stone." Forget the fact that the difference between drug-
| seeking behavior and legitimately needing something
| stronger is indistinguishable, and forget the fact that it
| will cost thousands upon thousands of dollars for you to do
| it in hospital. Thank God they're keeping you safe from the
| evil Sacklers
| dec0dedab0de wrote:
| I had a staph infection on my balls when I was recovering
| from cancer. My normal doctor was busy so I went to
| urgent care, with blood dripping down my leg. It was the
| first time I ever asked for pain killers. I was
| prescribed acetaminophen.
|
| I understand that addiction is a big problem, but this
| was a male doctor looking at a whole in my testicles, and
| telling me he can't give me painkillers
| btilly wrote:
| Absolutely.
|
| My wife had some core muscles in her back collapse. Think
| unable to walk and could only crawl with me holding her
| hips up. When she went to the primary doc, he thought it
| was drug seeking behavior. When she went to the ER they
| luckily decided that she was serious and gave her the
| most powerful muscle relaxant available - Valium. She had
| no idea, but it it saved her life.
| heliodor wrote:
| What does it mean for a muscle to collapse?
| Gordonjcp wrote:
| American healthcare is a mess because of religious shit
| like this.
| thsksbd wrote:
| [dead]
| shigawire wrote:
| It's not religious - it's an overcorrection based on
| rampant over prescription of pain killers for years.
| tempestn wrote:
| It might be both. An over-correction made more likely in
| part due to religious beliefs.
| canadianfella wrote:
| [dead]
| petsfed wrote:
| Its interesting because its a very specific, recent, and
| almost uniquely American religious concept, that's
| written into virtually every aspect of our culture.
|
| That is, it seems like nowhere else has the idea of
| purification through suffering really taken hold at such
| a widespread level for so long. I'd argue its because its
| just the flipside of the Prosperity Gospel. If you assume
| that one's physical conditions are a reflection of one's
| spiritual choices, then your first move when someone says
| "I'm in pain, please help me with my pain" is to ask
| "What have you done to deserve this pain? I won't remove
| God-given pain; if you deserve it, it would be a sin to
| do so", instead of "Here's something to make the pain
| manageable while we figure out how to remove the source
| of the pain".
| wpietri wrote:
| I agree it's terrible and very American, but I don't
| think it's recent. There's a good bit in this Backstory
| podcast where they talk about how part of the shift to
| sleeping straight through the night (as opposed to the
| previous behavior of first and second sleep) was partly
| driven by puritan busybodies (from the temperance
| movement, I think?) who thought that it was virtuous to
| sleep a bare minimum or less:
| https://backstoryradio.org/shows/on-the-clock-4/
|
| And that of course goes back to the Puritans around at
| America's founding, who were deeply opposed to anybody
| having fun or enjoying themselves: https://en.wikipedia.o
| rg/wiki/Puritans#Behavioral_regulation...
|
| I also recall reading of Calvinists who came to American
| in the mid-1800s to be free of such things as vaccines
| and insurance, because they thought those things
| interfered with God's plan. A plan, apparently, wherein a
| lot of people suffered while others stood around and
| quietly gloated that they were god's favorites.
| bnjms wrote:
| > I'd argue its because its just the flipside of the
| Prosperity Gospel.
|
| I loathe the prosperity gospel too, and never miss a
| chance to blame its preachers where I can. But in this
| case I think glorification of suffering can't be blamed
| on them because suffering was also fetishized by mother
| Teresa.
|
| It does seem to be a uniquely American problem though.
| petsfed wrote:
| I don't disagree that others outside of the US have taken
| up the cause of the holiness of suffering. I'm arguing
| that only the US has taken it and injected it into every
| aspect of our culture, because we have taken the
| Prosperity Gospel and injected it into every aspect of
| our culture.
|
| Scratchy robes for monks in certain orders has long been
| a thing all over the world. But successfully banning
| comfortable clothing for all, regardless of religiosity,
| is really more of an American thing.
| TurkishPoptart wrote:
| What's the reasoning? Instead of an IV? If I was in extreme
| pain, I would by default opt for an IV, which would be the
| fastest way to relieve it.
| germinalphrase wrote:
| I guess I misspoke a bit in the original comment. Yea - in
| the hospital, they'll just inject if possible; however, if
| a doctor is writing a prescription and you're offered pills
| vs a suppository, take the suppository.
| timerol wrote:
| There's a footnote below on ecstasy
| _joel wrote:
| double bum drop
| ses1984 wrote:
| Was the footnote there when you wrote this comment?
|
| >Most people consume ecstasy by mouth, but I've heard from many
| that anal ecstasy is a more satisfying experience.
|
| I think the author was being a little facetious.
| polishdude20 wrote:
| More like... fecetious
| rootusrootus wrote:
| You know what the root word of facetious is?
|
| It's not, but it should be.
| sethbannon wrote:
| I was curious about the booty bumping of ecstasy comment.
|
| https://goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/plugging-...
| AlbertCory wrote:
| Anecdote: someone told me she knew some nurses and they knew a
| quick way to get over hangovers. Quite illegal, but it involves
| IV.
|
| Don't come at me: I'm not recommending this, I've never done it,
| and your nurse friends probably won't do it for you.
|
| Edit: TIL it's not illegal. However, in a hospital I'm pretty
| sure the nurses aren't supposed to do it for free.
| freedomben wrote:
| what's the way? just rehydration drip? that's widely known and
| there's nothing illegal about it if you have the equipment
| dguest wrote:
| In case people are wondering, you the IV injects a few hundred
| ml of saline, which most medical professionals would have
| access to. There were clubs that specialized in selling this to
| hungover people [1]. I wouldn't lightly risk sending myself
| into septic or hypervolemic shock but I know former EMTs who
| swear by it.
|
| [1]: https://www.elle.com/beauty/health-
| fitness/advice/a14177/iv-...
| er4hn wrote:
| Illegal where? This is a "show up to your hotel room" service
| you can get in Las Vegas.
| fullspectrumdev wrote:
| It's legal - I've stayed at hotels even in London where you
| can get a nurse administered IV of some bullshit in your
| room. I passed on that, and went with the time honoured
| method of a greasy fry and a pint.
|
| The illegal part is if the nurse is stealing the IV and
| "works" from their workplace (a hospital).
| justinator wrote:
| There are IV bars in Colorado so not all that illegal (doing at
| home: yeah a little different). You can get just a reg. IV, or
| vitamins - that sort of thing.
|
| Being at a high altitude, hangovers suck up here, so there may
| be a market. I don't drink anymore - and it wasn't a hard
| decision. I haven't been down to sea level in a very long time,
| but drinking is completely different up here than down there.
| DangitBobby wrote:
| It's not illegal here. They advertise it in bar restrooms as a
| "hangover and extreme sports recovery" treatment.
| valine wrote:
| I experience a chalky scent from high dose caffeine pills. I
| don't think the taste is unique to the intravenous caffeine.
| brnaftr361 wrote:
| Same, and on occasion I have had coffee do the same.
|
| That's if I'm reading this correctly and you're describing the
| smell in your blood?
| valine wrote:
| I assume so, either that or its neurological. Its like the
| scent comes from inside my head.
| none_to_remain wrote:
| I found coffee drinking + mask wearing pretty cumbersome during
| the situation, and I was surprised they still make No-Doz.
| Seemed like something that would have been regulated away by
| now. Don't notice any chalkiness though.
| 0_____0 wrote:
| I've been trying to figure out if other people get this too!
| Finally I'm able to corroborate this. Never thought of it as
| chalky, to me it's indescribable in a way that one might
| attempt to approximate with such a word.
|
| Not related to caffeine pills though, I get it from caffeine
| itself.
| joecool1029 wrote:
| Are they pure or adulturated with calcium? Most of the caffeine
| pills I've spotted are not just caffeine and I think this is
| the chalkiness you would be experiencing.
| valine wrote:
| They're pure as far as I know. Would calcium be listed as an
| ingredient?
| joecool1029 wrote:
| Yes should be on the box somewhere, they usually claim to
| add it to reduce bone loss. Example label: https://dailymed
| .nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/lookup.cfm?setid=0dbca...
| travisjungroth wrote:
| It's very unlikely they're pure caffeine. If it's a pressed
| pill (versus a capsule) they're definitely not. It needs
| binders to hold it together.
| valine wrote:
| Gotcha, I take capsules. They've got rice powder to add
| volume I assume, but other than that I think it's pure
| caffeine.
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