[HN Gopher] "Blue Mind Theory"
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       "Blue Mind Theory"
        
       Author : RickJWagner
       Score  : 71 points
       Date   : 2023-06-11 15:53 UTC (7 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.insidehook.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.insidehook.com)
        
       | karaterobot wrote:
       | > That's according to Dr. Wallace J. Nichols, a marine biologist
       | who coined the term "blue mind theory." (Ted Talk here, book
       | here.)
       | 
       | This breathless nonsense was popularized by a TED Talk? Who could
       | possibly have guessed that.
        
         | MollyRealized wrote:
         | Yes, it's not as if people like Stephen Hawking, Jane Goodall,
         | Jill Tarter, Richard Dawkins, and Svante Paabo have given TED
         | talks. Oh, wait.
        
           | CrampusDestrus wrote:
           | You know, by this metric since every historical journal has
           | hosted papers from the greatest scientists we should just
           | believe their word forever
        
           | USB5 wrote:
           | [dead]
        
           | karaterobot wrote:
           | I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove, but did you know
           | there have been around 4000 TED Talks, and one of them was by
           | a guy who thinks smelling the ocean makes you live longer?
        
       | scottLobster wrote:
       | Is this an ad?
       | 
       | Article Summary: Living near water is good for you, because
       | there's a completely correlative 17% reduction in all-cause
       | mortality if you live near the ocean. One study in particular
       | used the the incredibly scientific metric of "wonderful tonic"
       | for how ocean smells and sounds impact our health.
       | 
       | Also some marine biologist, who spent most of his career studying
       | sea turtles, did some "research" on humans, and did a TED talk
       | and wrote a book about how living near water is better for your
       | health (link to buy said book).
       | 
       | Now go visit some fucking water, any water will do, even whatever
       | you can find in your backyard! It's good for you!
       | 
       | Thanks for reading "InsideHook", because InsideScoop and
       | InsideLane were taken.
        
       | asimovfan wrote:
       | They come so close to the mind. Just practice meditation every
       | day. You will find the real blue, endless and deep
        
       | ftxbro wrote:
       | > "the areas with the highest concentration of centenarians --
       | every one of them is situated along a coastline."
       | 
       | geographic profile maps which are basically just population maps
       | 
       | https://xkcd.com/1138/
        
       | AnonCoward42 wrote:
       | Beside the really bad article here, water indeed seems to have a
       | weird effect on me. It's kind of resetting my head for a bit. I
       | really do not know what it is, but submerging, or shower over,
       | the head brings a sense of clarity in my mind, removing clouds.
       | Hard to put into words, but it just happens.
       | 
       | I have my doubts that I'd live longer if I'd do it more often or
       | for longer tho.
        
       | paulpauper wrote:
       | _If you take a look at a map of the world's Blue Zones -- the
       | areas with the highest concentration of centenarians -- every one
       | of them is situated along a coastline. Little wonder: settling
       | down by the sea, in a so-called "blue space," has been linked to
       | a 17% reduction in mortality rate. One study suggested that
       | living within 250 meters of a seaside environment helps reduce
       | stress levels, with the smell and sounds offering a "wonderful
       | tonic."
       | 
       | _
       | 
       | sigh typical confusion of correlation and causation so common in
       | the health industry and media. people who live near water
       | probably have more money. they can afford better healthcare.
        
         | cassepipe wrote:
         | Before that even, coast people have historically have had
         | access to better food supplies and some essential nutrients
         | from the sea I don't the name of in english, seems more
         | important than the "smell and sounds"
        
         | hungryforcodes wrote:
         | Says an American. But in pretty much every other Western
         | nation, health care is more or less the same...
        
       | maelito wrote:
       | In France, there is a global population move towards the west
       | coast-line, particularly the Atlantic coastline.
       | 
       | As a consequence, the price of housing has become high enough to
       | trigger riots. In the Basque Country, in Brittany. Lots of locals
       | cannot buy any space anymore. Lots of (mostly not high salary)
       | seasonal workers have to go live further in the countryside,
       | triggering longer commuting by car in these regions where trains
       | are underdeveloped.
        
       | n8cpdx wrote:
       | Loma Linda is in a desert valley situated between parched hills
       | and the I-10 freeway, nestled under a blanket of perpetual smog.
       | 
       | This is a criminal abuse of zoomed-out maps and a negligently
       | written article. A more accurate representation of LL's "seaside"
       | location:
       | https://www.google.com/maps/place/Loma+Linda,+CA/@34.0389499...
       | 
       | It might have more to do with the strict lifestyle choices than
       | the sights and sounds of the sea an hour drive away.
       | 
       | https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/i-breathe-loma-linda-how-...
        
         | kaycebasques wrote:
         | It took me a while to figure out how your comment connects to
         | the submitted article, but I think I've got it now. The article
         | is advocating for blue zones, and Loma Linda is a designated
         | blue zone. Is that right?
        
           | Ireallyapart wrote:
           | Loma Linda is a bluezone because of diet and community. They
           | are very far away from the ocean. The environment their is
           | more desert rather then Mediterranean climate.
           | 
           | How do I know? I live in LA county about a couple miles due
           | west of loma linda. That city is really inland and not
           | considered to be near the ocean at all.
        
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       | smusamashah wrote:
       | > "When you see water..... it triggers a response in your brain
       | that you're in the right place"
       | 
       | I was once on a public coach in a mountain area and was feeling
       | extremely motion sick/nauseating because of all ups and downs and
       | circles of the way. I was just trying to hold off the vomit as
       | long as I could. Suddenly after a turn I saw the river flowing
       | through the glass window of the coach and right there that
       | feeling stopped. It was a sudden calm just by looking at that
       | river water.
       | 
       | It was weird so I did experiment with it. If I looked away nausea
       | came back after a few moments. Did it a few times. Finally I held
       | on to keep looking at the river to keep feeling better.
       | 
       | It may be unrelated to this theory but I don't have any other
       | explanation.
        
         | DenisM wrote:
         | If you get sea sick on a boat look at the horizon. It brings
         | your vestibular system in sync with your visual input. If you
         | look inside the boat your visual and vestibular systems are out
         | of sync.
         | 
         | The same could have happened to you on the coach - the river
         | gave you something distant to fix your eyes on because of the
         | visual appeal, while other objects did not offer the same point
         | of stability because they were not attractive enough for you to
         | fixate of them or not distant enough to provide stability.
        
       | User23 wrote:
       | By far the strongest predictor of centenarians is the rate of
       | social security fraud.
       | 
       | I will say though that watching the sun set over the Pacific does
       | fill me with a deep joy.
        
       | mberning wrote:
       | Blue Zones, where people miraculously live longer due to fraud
       | and poor record keeping.
        
         | rawoke083600 wrote:
         | source ?
        
           | blakesterz wrote:
           | https://www.livescience.com/oldest-people-may-not-be-so-
           | old....
           | 
           | The World's Oldest People Might Not Be As Old As We Think
           | 
           | Poor record-keeping and fraud may be inflating the numbers.
        
         | paulpauper wrote:
         | yeah the concept of blue zones seems really dubious . even if
         | they do live longer the underlying variable is probably wealth
        
           | genocidicbunny wrote:
           | Or diet and exercise, which need not be uncorrelated with
           | wealth, but something tells me that places like Sardinia,
           | Okinawa and Nicaragua haven't historically been that wealthy.
           | Especially when you consider that to have the most
           | centenarians now, those centenarians must have been born in
           | the first quarter of the 20th century, 100+ years ago.
           | Whatever effect blue zones have, it's not likely to be an
           | entirely recent one; People don't tend to suddenly gain huge
           | amounts of life expectancy in their middle age.
           | 
           | (Of course, this is all presupposing that the number of
           | centenarians in those areas is not greatly exaggerated, and
           | that there hasn't been a massive migration of centenarians
           | from other areas to the blue zones.)
        
             | alanvillalobos wrote:
             | Nicoya (Costa Rica) is not Nicaragua
        
               | genocidicbunny wrote:
               | Whoops, you're right. The picture I saw was relatively
               | low res and it kind looked like it was Nicaragua.
        
             | mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote:
             | On your parenthetical, here's a hypothesis. It's kinda hard
             | to be old in rural areas(no way to get around, limited care
             | available, etc), which tend to be inland, whereas cities
             | tend to be coastal or situated on a river.
             | 
             | So I could definitely see it as plausible that the older
             | people get, the more people move into cities, which
             | coincidentally involves moving closer to water.
        
             | 0xcde4c3db wrote:
             | Or genetic mutations (which also may interact with specific
             | lifestyle factors). At least one such mutation was
             | identified in an Italian family that is seemingly immune to
             | atherosclerosis [1], and the "blue zone" populations tend
             | to be relatively small and isolated (at least before the
             | industrial revolution).
             | 
             | [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ApoA-1_Milano
        
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       | mkl95 wrote:
       | > Why you should be in, around, under or on top of water
       | 
       | Easier said than done. I grew up close to a pretty cool
       | coastline, and I've wanted to live there all my life. Regular
       | people like me used to be common there decades ago, but it has
       | been parasitized by millionaires and it's unaffordable these
       | days. If you have a million or so in the bank sure, go enjoy the
       | psychological benefits of such a place.
        
         | kaycebasques wrote:
         | The article acknowledges this and proposes alternatives:
         | 
         | > Obviously, we can't all live a walk from the beach (or on the
         | isle of Icaria, for that matter). But any engagement with
         | water, even a creek, can offer a salve for our embattled
         | brains.
        
           | TeMPOraL wrote:
           | Does the dishwasher count?
           | 
           | As I sit by my desk now, everyone else in the household
           | already asleep, I listen to the water flowing and splashing
           | and rumbling in the machine under the kitchen counter, and
           | think to myself - except for occasional mechanical clunk, it
           | really _does_ sound like a river, or a sea (depending on what
           | part of the program is running).
        
         | troad wrote:
         | Same story here. I could not afford today to buy a house in the
         | seaside neighbourhood I grew up in.
         | 
         | Wealthy non-locals "discovered" it, snatched up all the
         | housing, and promptly formed "Stop overdevelopment now!"
         | lobbies, leeching off the locals' discomfort with the newcomers
         | to protect their own new-found property values by preventing
         | any further increase in housing supply. It's honestly just
         | depressing.
         | 
         | Nothing will change until we drastically ramp up house
         | construction. You don't "protect" a community by keeping the
         | buildings the same while replacing all the existing inhabitants
         | with different, richer ones.
        
           | genocidicbunny wrote:
           | May I ask why you should have more right to buy a house in
           | that town than someone else? You say 'grew up in' which
           | implies you've moved away. At that point, you're also a non-
           | local aren't you?
        
             | troad wrote:
             | I don't think I should have more of a right to buy a house
             | there than anyone else, and I'm genuinely puzzled how you
             | got that idea from my comment. I think housing should be
             | sufficiently plentiful that everyone has the opportunity to
             | make a home in a community of their choosing.
        
               | sojournerc wrote:
               | So, anybody and everybody should be able to live in
               | Monaco?
               | 
               | It's just unrealistic for a finite resource such as a
               | location to accommodate anybody who could possibly want
               | to live there. That's why desirable places are expensive.
        
               | genocidicbunny wrote:
               | I got a sense from your comment, and the one you replied
               | to that the problem was that the wealthy were buying the
               | housing, rather that only the wealthy could buy the
               | housing. I admit I may have read into your comment a bit
               | much.
        
               | TeMPOraL wrote:
               | > _the problem was that the wealthy were buying the
               | housing, rather that only the wealthy could buy the
               | housing_
               | 
               | Those are actually the same problem. The wealthy can buy
               | housing faster, more decisively than the less wealthy.
               | They may also push out the less wealthy, simply by
               | offering them an above market price. And as the wealthy
               | start to buy up housing in an area, the prices start to
               | go up, and soon become high enough that only the wealthy
               | can buy.
        
             | vkou wrote:
             | > May I ask why you should have more right to buy a house
             | in that town than someone else?
             | 
             | You should ask that question to the NIMBYs that have pulled
             | the ladder up from under them.
             | 
             | "Nobody is allowed to move to this area after I did" is
             | insane, toxic, and selfish.
        
               | genocidicbunny wrote:
               | It's not insane, it's quite rational as long as real
               | estate is an investment.
        
               | TeMPOraL wrote:
               | > _as long as real estate is an investment_
               | 
               | And therein lies the problem.
        
         | bentcorner wrote:
         | Maybe that's part of the explanation? It's just a correlation -
         | being able to live near the coastline requires wealth which
         | means you can take better care of your health.
        
           | mkl95 wrote:
           | Pretty much. This so called blue mind theory is just saying
           | that rich people tend to be happy.
        
         | falcor84 wrote:
         | Maybe with the rising global water levels, living "in, around,
         | under or on top of water" will become a more attainable
         | possibility for a whole new range of people /s
        
       | rektide wrote:
       | It's definitely a dream of mine to live next to or on the water
       | for some part of my life. It's amazing to have lakes & ocean &
       | rivers nearby. It's also exceedingly competitive property.
        
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