[HN Gopher] Apple co-founder sells Carmel Valley ranch, will bec...
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       Apple co-founder sells Carmel Valley ranch, will become nature
       preserve
        
       Author : toomuchtodo
       Score  : 27 points
       Date   : 2023-06-19 21:25 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.mercurynews.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.mercurynews.com)
        
       | dheera wrote:
       | Get rid of the paywall by running this right after opening the
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       | 0);         while (id--) window.clearTimeout(id);
        
       | ary wrote:
       | > In 1977, Mike Markkula gave two unknown, shaggy-haired computer
       | programmers, Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak, $250,000 to help turn
       | their young partnership into a new company.
       | 
       | The opening statement doesn't bode well for the factual accuracy
       | of what follows. Jobs _was not_ a programmer, and Markkula was an
       | investor, not a co-founder.
        
       | freetime2 wrote:
       | https://archive.is/0TCmS
        
       | birdyrooster wrote:
       | Co-founder? Really? I am pretty sure that isn't how that works.
        
         | justrealist wrote:
         | Post-success it's pretty common to play around with that
         | definition.
        
         | packetslave wrote:
         | A case could be made... From wikipedia:
         | 
         |  _He was the original angel investor, first chairman, and
         | second CEO for Apple Computer, Inc., providing critical early
         | funding and managerial support. At the company 's founding,
         | Markkula owned 26% of Apple, equivalent to each of the shares
         | owned by cofounders Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak._
        
           | smadge wrote:
           | The article also says he was the third employee after Jobs
           | and Wozniak.
        
           | birdyrooster wrote:
           | Exactly my point, that is not a founder that is an angel
           | investor.
        
             | rvz wrote:
             | Yes. Investor in Apple, rather than 'third co-founder' as
             | the title is complete clickbait.
        
             | ravenstine wrote:
             | Don't tell that to all the people who believe Elon Musk
             | founded Tesla.
        
               | justrealist wrote:
               | Elon's experience at Tesla is a great example of why the
               | technicals of who incorporated the original entity
               | doesn't matter.
        
               | sgt wrote:
               | True. Yet there wouldn't be a Tesla today without Elon.
               | Arguably that is a kind of founder in its own right.
        
             | sgt wrote:
             | Maybe they made him solder a resistor.
        
             | GauntletWizard wrote:
             | When Apple Computer was founded, it's cap table contained
             | three people - Jobs, Woz, and Markkula. That seems like a
             | reasonable definition of cofounder, even if he wasn't an
             | active participant in the company.
        
               | jjtheblunt wrote:
               | What about Ronald Wayne?
               | 
               | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Wayne
        
       | packetslave wrote:
       | For those who haven't clicked through, the co-founder is Mike
       | Markkula, not Jobs or Woz.
        
         | activiation wrote:
         | And he sold it for $32M... Bought it for $8M in 1982
        
           | gnicholas wrote:
           | It sounds like he developed it quite a bit, with buildings
           | and even an airstrip. So the math isn't quite as simple as
           | present-valuing the $8M from 1982 and subtracting it from the
           | $32M in today's dollars. Still made a haul though, I'm sure!
        
             | doctor_eval wrote:
             | Apparently $8M in 1982 is worth $25M today, but property
             | price inflation doesn't always match CPI.
             | 
             | https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1982?amount=8000
             | 0...
        
             | repiret wrote:
             | Growing 4X in value over 41 years is only a 3.44% annual
             | rate of return. I wouldn't call that a haul. If you
             | consider cost of improvements, upkeep, and inflation, it's
             | probably a loss.
        
             | activiation wrote:
             | Is the airstrip still usable?
        
       | smadge wrote:
       | Wait so California state granted $24 million to the private
       | Wildlands Conservancy, who spent $35 million for the property.
       | California should have just bought the property and turned it
       | into a state park. This should be public land.
        
         | yding wrote:
         | Saves the state money in upkeep, with the tradeoff being that
         | the private nonprofit can set its own rules on access.
        
           | freetime2 wrote:
           | I wonder if the $24M that the state contributed came with any
           | stipulations ensuring public access to the land. It sounds
           | like they intend to open it to the public anyway, but for
           | that amount of money I assume there must be some binding
           | legal agreements as well.
        
       | freetime2 wrote:
       | > The conservancy, which operates 22 other preserves in
       | California, and one in Oregon, plans to open the scenic property
       | to the public for hiking, mountain biking and horseback riding in
       | the coming years for free, said Frazier Haney, executive director
       | of the Wildlands Conservancy.
       | 
       | > "The property is the size of -- and has the grandeur of -- many
       | of California's state parks," Haney said. "It's a wonder land of
       | oak-filled valleys and magnificent flower-studded ridgelines."
       | 
       | So it's effectively a new state park for outdoor enthusiasts to
       | enjoy in Northern California. Very nice!
        
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