[HN Gopher] James Cameron slams OceanGate safety, regrets not sp...
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James Cameron slams OceanGate safety, regrets not speaking up more
Author : evo_9
Score : 30 points
Date : 2023-06-23 21:48 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| x86x87 wrote:
| [flagged]
| corinroyal wrote:
| Right, who wants to hear the opinion of a leader in the field?
| Virtue signaling is whatever I want it to mean.
| parl_match wrote:
| > virtue signaling
|
| The virtue of testing, certification, and solid design goes
| well beyond "signalling", when an expert in the field raises
| their concern.
|
| "virtue signaling" is a mean-nothing phrase
| shawn-butler wrote:
| Virtue signaling is hardly a "mean-nothing" phrase.
|
| But most people confuse virtue signaling (attempting to fit
| in by saying the right things) with moral grandstanding
| (garnering attention)[0]. Which behavior Cameron is engaging
| here is for the reader to judge.
|
| [0]: https://doi.org/10.1111/papa.12075
| jrflowers wrote:
| Right? What could someone that's only been to the Titanic 33
| times know about submarines? That's not even three dozen.
| paulpauper wrote:
| I see so many similarities between oceangate and FTX. same sort
| of laid-back culture (which is fine when it's your own money or
| lives at stake, not others), disregard for safety and security
| measures and cutting corners (game controller to steer sub),
| hubris from CEO, and the suddenness it all imploded (literally
| and figuratively) etc.
| x86x87 wrote:
| When people literally die I think the standard should be a
| little bit higher
| detourdog wrote:
| The problem is that the people signed up as crew for a
| dangerous job. Anybody with a working sense of self
| preservation wouldn't have needed a regulation.
| Buttons840 wrote:
| > game controller to steer sub
|
| People keep picking on this point, but if you have a backup
| controller, _and_ a safety system that is independent of the
| controller (I 've heard the sub had a way to resurface without
| the controller), then it's fine. (You also need to make sure
| you won't do a 360-backflip-barrel-roll if the controller
| firmware has a bug.)
|
| Bought your interior lights from Harbor Freight? As long as
| there are multiple independent lights, as well as a safety
| system to resurface that doesn't require lighting, then it's
| fine.
|
| Of all the cut corners, the game controller isn't what killed
| them. Unfortunately, they cut corners on the hull too, and
| there's no backup for that.
| readyplayernull wrote:
| The difference is the insurance.
| csours wrote:
| My opinion that no one needs:
|
| We don't need more regulations on extreme deep sea submersibles.
| There are on average approximately 0 deaths per year, and fewer
| than 1000 users per year. This number is extremely unlikely to go
| up.
|
| On average, Classic Cars kill AT LEAST an order of magnitude more
| people than extreme deep sea submersibles per year. People want
| to drive their old cars because they look cool. People want to do
| all kinds of dumb stuff.
|
| When proposing regulations, ask at least these three questions:
| Is it a big problem? Will it become a big problem? Is it _truly_
| voluntary?
|
| You can still argue about these questions and their answers, but
| at least it's not a binary or knee jerk response.
| andrewfromx wrote:
| not to mention unnecessary car trips even in just normal cars!
| Do I really need to go from point A to point B? I could just
| stay point A and that's safer.
| pacifika wrote:
| Flagged for changing the title.
| boomboomsubban wrote:
| The original title is clearly too long.
| kayodelycaon wrote:
| If you haven't seen Deepsea Challenge, the movie about James
| Cameron building and taking a sub into the Challenger Deep, I
| highly recommend it.
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