[HN Gopher] Life after detonation (2012)
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       Life after detonation (2012)
        
       Author : areoform
       Score  : 47 points
       Date   : 2023-07-04 22:38 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | stevespang wrote:
       | Erythritol tetranitrate (ETN) - - cousin of PETN, for which the
       | detonation velocity of ETN is just above 8,000 meters per second
       | - - while PETN det vel is about 8,300 meters per second plus,
       | which is in the top 90% of highest velocity detonation velocities
       | available from high explosives.
       | 
       | ETN is about 3 times more sensitive than PETN and is more
       | sensitive to friction than the former mentioned compound. The
       | decomposition of ETN is oxygen positive: C4H6N4O12 - 4 CO2 + 3
       | H2O + N2 + 3/2 O.
       | 
       | Why would any professional mess around with something that is 3x
       | more sensitive than PETN ? Easier synthesis perhaps, but life
       | changing or ending, if it detonates accidentally
       | 
       | PETN is the preferred explosive in the widely used "det cord",
       | likely for a good reason, at 3x less sensitive.
        
         | K0balt wrote:
         | You still need an initiator to set off PETN. He was making a
         | primary explosive, which is needed to make an initiator or
         | blasting cap.
         | 
         | Primary explosives are, as a rule, (and to perform their
         | function) easy to set off, typically with heat or minor impact
         | alone.
         | 
         | PETN just burns if you set it on fire. ETN detonates, which is
         | what you want when you are building an electric initiator.
         | 
         | Making primary explosives is always sketchy business, since a
         | spark or minor impact is often enough to set them off.
        
           | sidewndr46 wrote:
           | from what I understand this is the mystery of the Alfred P
           | Murrah building bombing. There was never any conclusion as to
           | how the torpex acting as the primary explosive was obtained.
        
         | moralestapia wrote:
         | I would actually expect professionals to come close to these
         | kind of things more regularly. Seems like he left his guard
         | down a little bit after working for years on these things.
        
           | twelve40 wrote:
           | and here we are complaining about bringing down production...
        
       | kazinator wrote:
       | > _the cause of the accident turned out to be the Chinese
       | knockoff beaker_
       | 
       | That's my takeaway here.
        
         | twelve40 wrote:
         | by following the 5 whys analysis technique, it appears that the
         | actual root cause of this accident is "trying stupid shit at
         | home"... (maybe just buy some firecrackers for the reenactment
         | next time? no pressing need to cook them at home Breaking Bad
         | style...)
        
       | JohnMakin wrote:
       | > What I should have done right then was drop to the floor and
       | cover my ears. I'd give my left nut to be able to time travel
       | back 2 years and do that.
       | 
       | Or his left hand, as it were.
        
         | twelve40 wrote:
         | seems like a bit more, the left hand+eardrums+right thumb are
         | mentioned... a pretty intense tradeoff :thinking_face:
        
           | Wojtkie wrote:
           | Yeah, losing your thumb on the only hand you have left is
           | rough. There are prosthetics, but the thumb is extremely
           | important for overall functionality of the hand.
        
       | adhesive_wombat wrote:
       | > Instead of being made with Pyrex borosilicate glass, it was
       | cheap soda-lime glass that couldn't stand up to heating. I never
       | noticed the difference.
       | 
       | American-made[1] "genuine" Pyrex is now also soda-lime, so just
       | the name isn't proof enough any more, at least for cookware
       | rather than labware.
       | 
       | [1]: and I think some stuff found in the UK, as I have a Pyrex-
       | brand jugs and dishes that have got a distinct blue hue when seen
       | edge-on.
        
         | aidfobnaiosrnio wrote:
         | Remember, kids, the purpose of trademarks is to prevent
         | consumer confusion! When a person buys PYREX(r), they know it's
         | a name they can trust.
        
         | fmajid wrote:
         | No, the lab-grade stuff is still borosilicate, only the
         | consumer products were gimped.
        
       | AlbertCory wrote:
       | After I just watched the Mythbusters episode where they show some
       | experiments that you _can_ do at home.
       | 
       | One of the ones you _can 't_ is mixing water with dry ice. They
       | put a rubber "hand" near a soda bottle, which they then fill up
       | and cap tightly in the way you shouldn't do.
       | 
       | The damage to the "hand" was really impressive.
        
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       | techbro92 wrote:
       | This was almost me after I lit off 3lbs of thermite. It instantly
       | reacted and the heat blast burned off 5% of my skin. I got very
       | lucky and completely recovered though.
        
       | twelve40 wrote:
       | offtopic, but I love such old-school niche forums, there used to
       | be so many diverse communities out there... Probably mostly wiped
       | out by one and only Reddit by now : (
        
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